In post 613, JaeReed wrote:I'm actually still not entirely sure whether that was when it happened. Roleswapping is really weird here because A) you first have to successfully identify the PR without outing them, and B) said PR has to recognize what you're trying to do and townread you enough or be confident enough in their skills to 1v1 you should it come to lylo to "conftown" you.
That instance was actually the first time I'd successfully seen it happen, though Titus attempted it once (I think? At least my understanding of the attempt) the other way around in this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p7970596
I did it in Open 661.
A solid townread was crumbing a CC against a newb scum who already claimed my role. I told him to go ahead.
My reasoning for voting nancy up was a combination of a previous statement about how (I can't find the post again) someone said town can afford a mislynch at this point and the fact that I never had a definitive read on nancy. I never pushed her as a townread for me (even in that post at the beginning, I mentioned that there's still room for her to be scum), and ending the day without a lynch seemed to be a huge problem. Just because I only had one post dedicated to my read on her, doesn't mean that she was a townread for me.
All that said, it's been great playing with you, nancy. Good luck in your next game.
The townbloc I have right now is {Myself, Bowdown, Tojam}. If we carry this into LYLO we win.
"Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. You are all things, Revan… and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone."
―Darth Malak to Revan
In post 634, Revan wrote:The townbloc I have right now is {Myself, Bowdown, Tojam}. If we carry this into LYLO we win.
I don't know if I feel good enough about you for this - but I don't want you dead today. Us arguing about your lemon vote made me feel decently good on you.
Sparkles, your last big post basically said the same stuff on Revan that he and I argued back and forth on. I don't feel like you even kept up with the discussion - just read Revan in ISO.
In post 565, Titus wrote:I'd bet my game life on Nancy being town ftr.
I don't believe that Titus is town who was just
really
confident in Nancy being town. The amount of overconfidence in town!Nancy in these posts, the continued tunnel on EL, and her flat out ignoring what absolutely looked like a slip, fits more like the play of scum whiteknighting and keeping their hands clean from a mislynch.
Also, in 503, Titus comments on "how easy it is to derail EL". But she's also suggested multiple times that I am scum with EL. I didn't lead the change to Nancy, nor was I wagoning EL prior. So it doesn't make sense that she would suggest scum!motivation to Jae/Revan, who were the primary reasons the wagon switched over yesterday. She's not thinking through her reads organically, she's sticking to a narrative and pretending to scumhunt.
VOTE: Titus
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
and there's also still the whole thing about how Titus is pushing GL+EL on the basis of EL's use of the word "bus", which I've already pointed out is absurd. Titus' response to my 455 was scummy as well, instead of arguing with me she gets snarky and dismissive. That's not how a townie who believes in the legitimacy of their case would react.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 641, bowdown wrote:Titus, was Jae clearly jailkeeper yesterday after the twilight posts w/Nancy?
Or GL, now that you're here.
I think once nancy revealed that she was not a PR, it became obvious from Jae's jump onto her that he was jailkeeper. If Jae were VT, he may have not pushed so aggressively on the "slip" since it could have also technically been a JK-slip. Nancy also basically pointed this out herself in 506, which is kinda annoying as well - I thought she was scum rolefishing Jae at the time, it made no sense for town to post that.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 422, nancy wrote:I'm back. First things first, I retract 376 and apologize for a crappy post. Cheap way to "out" oneself as town. It's relevant however that my scumread of Lemon and especially of Lemon/Jae depended partially on certain private communications having taken place (e.g., 168). Titus is right about pregame coaching.
On Revan: this personality type has a tendency to seem scummy even when they aren't (kind of similar to how EL's personality has a tendency to seem townie when they aren't). I'm not going to join this wagon today.
On D1 lynch: I should play to win the game. It isn't at all clear how to interpret this, however. Do I lynch who I think is scummiest or who I think will give us the best chance of catching scum down the track? Lynching Lemon would certainly free up headspace to look elsewhere, and she doesn't post or scumhunt much - only 2 more posts than mod - so if she flips Town it isn't as though we'd be losing a great deal. I'm kind of disinclined to lynch her though, because she's been giving off at least
some
towntells recently, and there are better options immediately available: GuiltyLion and Titus.
I'm just going to bank on either GL or Titus being scum. And not both. GL has contributed pretty much nothing all day, but I'm also pretty unimpressed by how little Titus came up with after the naked vote on EL, so either makes sense to me.
Which results in a lynching priority for me of: GL, Titus, EL, Agent Sparkles, bowdown, revan
VOTE: GuiltyLion
Feel free to try to convince me to hammer or not hammer Lemon, but I'd prefer GL/Titus.
I don't like the sudden shift here. Your last read on guilty was nulltown, wasn't it? Now you change that to scum because of low contribution when in fact he's contributed a fair amount to the discussion. If that's really what you care most about at this point, then me or Titus would be a more realistic priority.
What's your opinion on Revan? You voted him earlier, which suggests you scumread him.
In post 429, nancy wrote:Oh I miscounted, I thought EL was at L-1.
Revan and Titus have already expressed willingness to lynch GL. Tojam also appears willing, though he has stated that he prefers EL. This puts L-1 on GL within easy reach. I don't think his claim is particularly relevant at this point. If he's the real jailer (1/7) then we're fucked, but otherwise it's irrelevant. If he's mafia, he'll almost certainly claim jailer to try to and bait a cc. I doubt the real jailer would out at this point, preferring to just hammer or wait for someone else to hammer if they're already on the wagon. He could also claim vanilla, but this is unlikely because it doesn't do anything for his chances of survival and doesn't stand to give his partner anything to work with. In other words, real jailer shouldn't out/cc D1, so a jailer claim should be ignored. No matter who we lynch we're running a 1/7 chance of being wrong and lynching the real jailer. I like those odds.
There's only a 50/50 chance that there's even a jailer in the game, but yeah, they shouldn't out today.
Revan, your recent posts have only made me more suspicious of you. This progression on Lemon is terrible:
In post 342, Revan wrote:I think EL is too townread to be lynched today.
In post 394, Revan wrote:@bowdown I was townreading EL on page 2. Why do you believe that that read is still current? It looks like you're stretching now.
In post 403, Revan wrote:I only have a slight TR on EL, so I don't mind.
In post 409, Revan wrote:I was voting my scumread. You're really grasping for straws here.
In post 413, Revan wrote:I believe EL will flip 60% green 40% red.
I scumread both of you.
Let me get this straight. In a span of 4 pages, you (in order) say EL is too town to be lynched, vote EL and say you don't want her in LYLO, claim it was a self-save, say that you were townreading her on page 2 and not necessarily anymore (pretty sure the 2 was a typo, but regardless it was only 2 pages and 3 of your posts ago), claim that you do in fact townread her (although slightly), backtrack and say you voted her because you scumread her, and then say that she's 60% town and 40% scum. In the process, you push Lemon to L-1 and later claim that there's plenty of time to lynch Guilty. You're being really incoherent.
And about this:
In post 359, Revan wrote:If I was town/scum reading Titus I would have no reason to do a reaction test.
I'll lynch GL if none of you will lynch Jae.
There was a reason I asked about scum communication. Since you and Titus were my top scumreads, I considered a hypothetical scenario were you were partners and your strategy of attacking Titus for a reaction and later unvoting was your way of bussing for credit without actually lynching her. This would've been undermined if scum could talk during the day, since you could've informed her of what you were trying to do and she probably would've been more cooperative. Alone, it's not a very strong case to make against you, but combined with the above quote wall and everything else you've said and done, it's hard to see you as town.
VOTE: Revan
Nancy had just moved from Revan to GL. Sparkles comes in and votes Revan and tries to get Nancy to go there. Sparkles is ignoring what's actually happening in the thread and Revan's explanations. Could be an attempt at a lemon save if sparkles/lemon scumteam (which I think is one of the more likely pairings).
In post 641, bowdown wrote:Titus, was Jae clearly jailkeeper yesterday after the twilight posts w/Nancy?
Or GL, now that you're here.
I think once nancy revealed that she was not a PR, it became obvious from Jae's jump onto her that he was jailkeeper. If Jae were VT, he may have not pushed so aggressively on the "slip" since it could have also technically been a JK-slip. Nancy also basically pointed this out herself in 506, which is kinda annoying as well - I thought she was scum rolefishing Jae at the time, it made no sense for town to post that.
Thanks, I actually want to hear Titus's thoughts on this too before I jump in.
