Mini 521 (SMSM, Ended)

[Simenon]

Because for a while I was

Yet the action from you seems to be that of confidence, and an attitude of "It will get better! Just hold your breath and close your eyes and count to twenty and we'll get those darned metascum!" And then you seem to lurk, and pop up to say "yeah, I'm not quite sure how to win this game" Obviously this is an exaggeration, but it appeared quite strange. You seem to connect the two easily, but reading the thread, I'm having a hard time seeing this flow.

Got it now: PookyTheMagicalBear, Max, kabenon007, ryan, Fiasco, Sammich, Xdaamno, Sarcastro, Adele

Yeah, I disagree on every count with this list. I'm serious, nobody seems to be in the right spot here. Why put Fiasco at number 5? Did you seriously think Sammich was the 6th person in terms of scumminess on your list?

Basically, I cannot believe anybody thought Pooky was the most scummish person, and kabs and ryan look very town to me. And I'm even more surprised you wouldn't compromise and say "well, pooky's scum, but if he's not, he could be right with his theory." You had no exposure to sarc; the only info to go on him was Pooky's theory.

[mikeburnfire]

Okay now. Time to get down to brass tacks.

I don't think Max or Sammich is scum for reasons undisclosed.

[kabenon007]

That's great... and we can totally trust that.

[Sarcastro]

I trust him.

Let's lynch Fiasco.

[ryan]

How do you trust him?

[Fiasco]

I trust Mike about dead Max being innocent. As for Sammich, who knows?

Is fake knowledge scummy?

[Fiasco]

Basically, I cannot believe anybody thought Pooky was the most scummish person

Don't tell me that after the exchanges between Pooky and me last subgame, you were surprised that I put him on top of my list.

[Adele]

Got it now: PookyTheMagicalBear, Max, kabenon007, ryan, Fiasco, Sammich, Xdaamno, Sarcastro, Adele

Yeah, I disagree on every count with this list. I'm serious, nobody seems to be in the right spot here. Why put Fiasco at number 5? Did you seriously think Sammich was the 6th person in terms of scumminess on your list?

Basically, I cannot believe anybody thought Pooky was the most scummish person, and kabs and ryan look very town to me. And I'm even more surprised you wouldn't compromise and say "well, pooky's scum, but if he's not, he could be right with his theory." You had no exposure to sarc; the only info to go on him was Pooky's theory.

I thought Pooky was scum in large part

because

of his theory. I still don't think it was the right play. It doesn't make sense.

As to the list... no. It's not a result of hours of agonising over who I thought was fifth or sixth scummiest. I put the people I suspected most at the top, I put me at the end and I filled the middle in as best I could. I understand you might not believe that I can have opinions on large numbers of people at once, so in support of this claim: I don't play normals. I can't keep up with them. I've got strong areas and weak areas, but I'm not gonna produce as solid opinions on 8 people as I am on 3. I'm a focuser, not a multi-tasker. I'm sorry if that disappoints you, but it's a skill thing not an alignment thing (99th percentile maths and logic, 9th percentile short-term memory).

Pooks, max and kab I stand by.

[mikeburnfire]

Whoops. When I said max wasn't scum I forgot he was already dead. Ha ha. How silly.

[kabenon007]

Pooks, max and kab I stand by.

Well congratulations, your top two candidates are dead, and they were both town, so forgive me if I don't trust your reasoning, especially cuz I know I'm town.

[Simenon]

Allow me the pleasure of being blunt for a post: Please stop. The order of your list is very relevant to this game. And I can't help but think you are capable of listing nine players in order of scumminess. Certainly more than four, and then some stuff in between.

I would love to see your reasoning for at least your top three.

[mith]

Deadline:

Approximately 9.5 hours from this post.

Vote Count:

5 to lynch.

Adele: 3 (Fiasco, kabenon007, SomeStrangeSimenon)
Fiasco: 2 (Sarcastro, Xdaamno)
mikeburnfire: 1 (ryan)

[Xdaamno]

Responding to prod. I didn't see any basis for suspiscion on Adele regarding the lists until

Pooks, max and kab I stand by.

Well congratulations, your top two candidates are dead, and they were both town, so forgive me if I don't trust your reasoning, especially cuz I know I'm town.

, which is a good point. Either way, Adele giving reasoning on her top three/whatever would be helpful, I agree.

[Fiasco]

I will not be able to post today after this. I'm OK with Adele dying. Though SOMETHING tells me we'll probably end up with another no-lynch.

[ryan]

Unvote/Vote: Adele

I'm NOT a fan of a no lynch.

[kabenon007]

We just need one more. Someone just vote adele, if not because you think she is scummy, then at least so we don't have a no lynch.

[Adele]

Pooks, max and kab I stand by.

Well congratulations, your top two candidates are dead, and they were both town, so forgive me if I don't trust your reasoning, especially cuz I know I'm town.

I mean that given the information I had at the time it seemed the best choice.

Obviously

, I'm not the only one who felt that way, since otherwise they'd not have died, yet I seem to be very heavily targeted right now. Que sera sera I s'pose, but I don't know if I'm going to have a chance to adequately defend myself, and certain people, faced with a choice of lynches, have taken steps to make my lynch (and my lynch only) near inevitable. I'm not a fan of no lynch either, but Fiasco was nearly as lynchable as me prior to ryan's vote. I'll need to reread to see who's jumping on the wagon at safe/easy times, but obv won't have a chance to share my viewpoint until the mini's over.

<<insert mandatory cop claim here>>

[ryan]

Adele: Actually Fiasco would have only had 3 votes IF I would have voted him.

[Adele]

Yes, I did say "nearly as lynchable" - in that scenario, he and I would have 3 votes each.

[mikeburnfire]

unvote, vote Fiasco

[ryan]

You weren't voting anyone mike, why put a vote on Fiasco and risk a no lynch?

[Adele]

How on

earth

has Mike's move

increased

the likelihood of a no lynch???

how this looks to me:
ryan = wants me dead, pretends wants nolynch.

If I survive til morning, I'll be looking

closely

at you, ryan.

Oh yeah, I probably ought also to

vote: fiasco

since I don't want a nolynch (the irony is not lost on me ) and I'd obviously prefer, if there is a lynch, that it not be me.

[ryan]

I'm not pretending one thing. Mike's move takes another person off the potential voting cycle. Do you believe that there will be more or less vote switching before the day concludes? I believe a no lynch to get us ZERO information and to put us in a bad position on Day 2. You can look at me all you want Adele, nothing but a townie here.

[Adele]

I'm not pretending one thing. Mike's move takes another person off the potential voting cycle.

OK. to start with, I don't know what that means. Please explain.

[Adele]

How on

earth

has Mike's move

increased

the likelihood of a no lynch???

how this looks to me:
ryan = wants me dead, pretends wants nolynch.

Sorry, should've been

ryan = wants me dead, pretends wants no nolynch