New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Parama]

wait it's still dudes who get to propose to ladies? ugh

am i never gonna be on the side that gets the good end of the bargain

[Parama]

Parama, would you play DDR versus with me?

With our powers combined we can solve this game without needing to lynch you because you're partnered with obvscum

Unless you're scum I guess, but if you're scum I'm sure I'll figure that out soon enough in our PT~
(translation: not dancing with me will be interpreted as a scumclaim)

i'm scum, sup

i never got to dance with dunn and i'm salty

and i was gonna request a dance with him buT I CAN'T APPARENTLY OMG

[Parama]

Um, what's up with the mod confirmation of Nahdia's alignment?

yo boi take a look at dem rules

(gamma's probtown btw)

[Parama]

Umm guys are there bad guys in this setup???

eeewww

[Parama]

good evening gentlemen. Less of a good evening, ladies.

i mean are you making an ironic sexist joke or are you actually irl scum because either way i really dislike you as a person

[Parama]

Btw it should be noted this flavor is very not sjw friendly.

what the hell?

[Parama]

i just really am disliking a lot of people in this game aside from actual scumminess and it's page 3

sigh

[Parama]

Jester is scum.

ahh finally someone i can like

[Parama]

Jester is scum.

right, we can't policy vedith in this game, can we, oh well

[Parama]

You don't like me?
Oh you're such a cruel mistress :<
I hope Dunn gets left out so you can see the ones you love suffer!

i don't love dunn he's just easy to manipulate

i am incapable of true romance, but i am very capable of destruction

[Parama]

But why do you want a partner to manipulate?

i'm scum, sup

[Parama]

Speaking of which...2 mafia gentlemen, one lady? Vice versa? Anyone have any thoughts on what's more likely?

$10 says RNG determined this

[Parama]

@scout you can't bus until the first dance so take your time

[Parama]

You ladies are all so picky. I just put out for the first gentleman who asked me and I have absolutely no regrets.

Nahdia is right though.

this is how i got partnered with scum last game

because of dunn tbh

[Parama]

maybe i should've actually read the setup this time

[Parama]

wow scum actually get a nightkill when there's only 12 people left? guess the PTs do have a point up until then, i guess

[Parama]

You defeated Lady Parama!
You received 10 for winning!

[Parama]

i thought we already discussed this it's 2 guys 1 girl
that's why i had to pay human my hard-earned pokedollars

[Parama]

end the setup speculation immediately, jesus christ

[Parama]

3 Mafia Gentlemen/Ladies

vs

14 Town Gentlemen/Ladies, Open setup

[Parama]

end the setup speculation immediately, jesus christ

Yeah... no. mh is not dodging that garbage opening that quickly.

man i totally agree that mh is garbage but please don't continue the setup speculation when we've literally already been over this, it's basically spam at this point

[Parama]

It was randomized last setup, and it's randomized this setup.

THE HECK

HUMAN GIVE ME MY GODDAMN MONEY BACK

[Parama]

@SAD actually stop

[Parama]

any setup spec past this sans is a scumclaim

[Parama]

jester literally just argued in favor of pairing a scum with the mod-confirmed town

[Parama]

[Parama]

personally i think jester has already posted plenty to warrant a scumread in this game alone, even ignoring any meta stuff (i have no clue who you are)

[Parama]

Stop being tryhard scum, Parama.
@HS can't yet.

i do what i want shut up

[Parama]

Jester has a point about Cerb.

he really, truly doesn't.
did you read his post
it's literally an argument for pairing scum up with the IC

[Parama]

catch-22 says that anyone who acknowledges they are crazy can't possibly be crazy

[Parama]

Found the first scum.

First, town have no bussiness pairing with IC cause that doesn't amount to them solving the game in any way.

That overblown explanation in #98 looks like nervous scum. Second, that 'innocent' setup spec question looks like taken straight outta scumbook.

"town have no business pairing with IC" ---> "only scum should pair with the IC"

[Parama]

that is not my wild interpretation of your post. that is literally what you said.

[Parama]

i don't think cerb and jester are scum together and don't see the argument for cerb being scum anyways

[Parama]

i'm satisfied that HS is town btw

i accept your dance HS, but you still owe me the goddamn money and you're not getting out of it

[Parama]

i literally can't @ everything that's been posted on this page, it's an unmitigated disaster

[Parama]

Also hands off my Jester please. I literally signed up to play with him, we're not lynching him this quickly. Idc if he's scum or not.

screw right off, honestly

[Parama]

I dunno whether I'm dumb or you are. That's what I said, what's your problem with it? Town have literally no reason to waste the pt mechanic on having chitchat with other town instead of looking for scum. I don't get what you're saying.

i see now that it is futile to even waste my time responding to you because you
1. have clearly missed the entire point
2. are completely backwards in your logic here
3. are scum anyways so who gives a damn

[Parama]

To everyone: I will NOT be dancing with anyone except Nahdia. Make of that what you will. That was what was implied in my previous post, but I'll make it explicit here.

[Parama]

Have you played with Cerb before? He's as asset to town if he is town.

the hell does this have to do with anything???

[Parama]

Not exactly thrilled with his pair choice because whoever Nahdia partners up with us going to get killed during intermission.

BUT NO FULL STOP.

so if this is the case, by your own logic

why in the nine hells would he do this as scum

if scum are going to shoot the IC pair during intermission

and the IC pair lives

that just makes the IC's partner look pretty damn scum, right?

this is, for the record, YOUR argument here

[Parama]

And why do you wanna pair up with nahdia and get killed during intermission?

^^^^ A LITERAL SCUMSLIP ^^^^

[Parama]

NOBODY PAIR WITH SHADOW

[Parama]

mhsmith you are apparently very, very bad at reading.

shadow_step has just implied that he knows cerberus is town.

this is something that only scum should know.

[Parama]

screw right off, honestly

Sorry but no. Your reads suck.

you say, after pairing up with scum

[Parama]

Wifom
Suck it

again, no dancing with this guy, ladies

[Parama]

is nobody else going to acknowledge the actual, honest-to-god scumslip from shadow

i haven't seen a slip that clean-cut in ages

[Parama]

i love how shadow is going around calling people awful

[Parama]

This is the scumslip right?

It's...not really a scumslip? It's as bad as the argument you're lambasting HS for making, really.

There's no display of knowledge, no certainty

. I already said that the person who pairs with Nahdia will die during the intermission, so the groundwork was laid, in thread, for him to pose that question to me in that fashion. He's essentially saying "Okay, I see you believe this. WHY would you put yourself into that situation, if you truly believe it?"

y'all really need to learn to see implications in posting.
he didn't outright state it but it's so heavily implied that it's hard to miss

[Parama]

HS stop using activity as a fucking indicator of anything.

gonna agree with this by the way, half the thread hasn't even shown up yet lol

[Parama]

if you take everything literally you're not gonna find scum

[Parama]

shadow's entire counter attack appears to be based on ad hominem

[Parama]

This feels like a rerun of this game. ISO Jester there and tell me if you still think he's scum.

no thanks. i don't care about other games when he's scum in this one

(screw meta)

[Parama]

if you take everything literally you're not gonna find scum

See, that's the thing. Town tend to do way more scummy things than actual scum do. Reading into EVERYTHING as deeply as possible, stretching the connections and implications, just...makes you tunnel on town.

SS could be scum, but I don't think we have enough evidence right now(which is to say, i don't think that post is damning enough to simply assume he's town)

tbh this might just be playstyle difference then but i like looking into implications in posts as well as motivations and 1. i see no town motivation for that specific shadow post 2. the implications are pretty damning as far as i'm concerned

i do think it is exactly as bad as i am making it out to be. shadow won't flip town. end of story
like notice how his response is to attack players instead of arguing against the logic. that's all he's doing.

[Parama]

pedit: @Parama: You mean we all need to learn to wear our tinfoil hats and jump at every shadow?(yes, that was deliberate, I'm so sorry)

Hmm?

I get the feeling you're so against pressure or something. Can't tell if it is a playstyle thing. There's nothing wrong with super early pushes. Plus it's super easy to get reads from a different setup than normal because usually the people who try to look like they're pro-town with their posts ultimately are people who are trying to coast on useless posts as sucm. Derailing these early pushes is not gonna help town.

dude i can fight my own battles, please stop this buddying

[Parama]

Parama gave up too easily.
Just scum try to set up mislynches.

i'm still trying to figure out how shadow came to the conclusion that i gave up

but i'm thinking it's just a baseless accusation he's making to try and make me look bad, since, as previously stated, he is not arguing against any logic thrown at him, merely attacking the players themselves making those arguments, which is, for the record, scum play

[Parama]

So basically we lynch Jester, cerb, Shadow and win.
Easy game, easy money.

So basically we lynch Jester, cerb, Shadow and win.
Easy game, easy money.

>I post this
>Jester does some fake af AtE
>Cerb goes quiet
>Shadow ignores me

I think we found the scumteam guys!

NAHDIA DO NOT ACCEPT CERB PLS

>cerb finally posts and ignores me and makes an excuse to not post more while saying 'lol I don't care if I die look at how townie I am!'
>shadow continues ignoring me
>jester goes quiet

lol look at me i'm so townie i don't care how you read me :^)

I will admit that cerb might be town, he hasn't really done anything that bad so far.

holy backpedalling jesus

[Parama]

Yeah I'm just gonna ignore usless fucks like HS.

i dislike you for your attitude, but i want to lynch you because you're scum and this post is scum

[Parama]

Parama on the other hand is scraping the barrel. Awful/weak cases ~= scum

you have not even responded to a single point i've made. you've just handwaved it and dismissed me entirely as "awful/scum"

I didn't imply he was town, I asked him why he'd do that if he is town(which was obvious but not for dumbfucks like parama).

this is the closest you've come to an actual response but you punctuated it with ad hominem which really undermines any goodwill this post could've had

[Parama]

Parama gave up too easily.
Just scum try to set up mislynches.

Can this OMGUS be any more transparent though?

Can this opportunism be any more transparent though?

Notice I was okay with Parama until she just completely gave up.

sing it with me:
d e f l e c t

[Parama]

i would fully support policy lynching shadow_step for having a disgustingly unpleasant attitude btw
but he's scum so it doesn't have to be a policy lynch

[Parama]

regardless i'm gonna blacklist him/wotc him if i ever see him again

[Parama]

Shadow, the current proposal is that you're left out of the dance. Is there anyone you'd like to nominate as more-likely-scum-than-you, who we should consider instead? (And why)

eeeuggh. this gives off some serious bad vibes.

[Parama]

1880s called, they want their scum hunting tools back.
If omgus is the best you can do you should go back to playing newbies.

No, it's not my only tool, but yours was pretty obvious. Parama going quiet means literally nothing. It's been a couple hours since this game started,

she could have just gone to do something else

. Like, out of all infinitely more plausible explanations you reach for something that 1) can't be proven and 2) can't be defended against.

And honestly invoking the "I'm a lynchbait" defence this early in the game is just... idk. I don't like it.

ftr i went to get a pizza for lunch, but i was gone for like, 15 minutes lol and i made a post while i was there

this is exactly why i think HS's argument against jester for "being inactive" is total hot garbage by the way, making accusations of "going quiet" or "lurking" when the game thread has been open for like 5 hours and there's almost 400 posts already is absurd

[Parama]

btw post 208 to 287 isn't backpedaling

You can tell the ic not to pair with someone if you're unsure of their alignment

i think you meant 199 and that's fair but the rest the point stands

[Parama]

On one side i like their agressiveness but its a bit over the top sometimes.
= theyre town but slightly rude as well

if it helps i'm like this every game regardless of my alignment
i have very little patience but i'm also above outright insulting people for no good reason like shadow is doing
babying people never produces results though

[Parama]

Shadow, the current proposal is that you're left out of the dance. Is there anyone you'd like to nominate as more-likely-scum-than-you, who we should consider instead? (And why)

eeeuggh. this gives off some serious bad vibes.

Why? Vedith's trs on Dunn and Mariar helped us carry last game, remember.
SS is flipping scum anyway so w/e.

no, it feels like subtly trying to steer the conversation away from SS and onto someone else mostly. i guess. it's the vibes, it's hard to put into words tbh but it's a really skeevy post and that's the best explanation i can come up with for why

[Parama]

On one side i like their agressiveness but its a bit over the top sometimes.
= theyre town but slightly rude as well

if it helps i'm like this every game regardless of my alignment
i have very little patience but i'm also above outright insulting people for no good reason like shadow is doing
babying people never produces results though

Telling them you'll policy and WoTC them doesn't help often either imo...

yeah but i don't give a damn about hurting shadow's feelings. for obvious reasons.

[Parama]

it helps that shadow scumslipped that cerberus is town

[Parama]

And why do you wanna pair up with nahdia and get killed during intermission?

[Parama]

@sadboy got any scumreads though lol

[Parama]

Oh did shadow flip scum?

essentially

[Parama]

Oh did shadow flip scum?

admittedly i'm surprised vedith has been as quiet as they have

[Parama]

@sadboy got any scumreads though lol

Mhsmith, Shadow, Dunn.
Kinda MDS and Vedith? (I'm really really torn on the way MDS is playing)

I want to see one of those first 3 not get a partner.

Admittedly sickofit has like 1 post, but since he's gentlemen I think he would be working harder to get a partner seeing as he could be left in the dust. Whereas take Vedith, who's like guaranteed a partner, she can post a 1 liner and then lurk the rest of pre-dance and coast hardcore af.

hey if you can backup your townreads then you can definitely back up your scumreads

i mean i know where you mhsmith and shadow reads come from but with dunn and mds i'm not sure where either of those are coming from (vedith is explained though so ok)
so like, clarify these plz thanks

[Parama]

I'm lynching w/e person ser is with lol

i don't follow this at all
if you think sadboy is scum just say it
why would you lynch his partner when you don't even know them

like i mean i think you're getting at a "i want to lynch sad" but then you're like "but i'm going to specify the person he's partnered with despite that having nothing to do with anything" i'm just

very confused

[Parama]

for the record i have a townlean on sad but it's not very strong atm

i need to go over everyone and get me some good reads, early game in larges suck for me there's too many people to keep track of

[Parama]

Oh look, someone that thinks their post matter.
Keep up the effort, kiddo.

you and shadow would be perfect for each other to be honest

[Parama]

whoooops broken image

honestly i'm incredibly glad you of all people are our confirmed town because this is hilarious

[Parama]

it's all part of my master plan to lynch you both in one fell swoop

but actually don't we need shadow to flip scum in pre-dance not first dance

[Parama]

I thought that was obv me saying I think ser is scum bnut I guess I need to be super duper blunt

i can be dense sometimes

but the wording just confuses me. just say who you think is scum instead of this roundabout confusion way of saying the same thing lol

[Parama]

if it helps, i think you're town after this latest exchange soooo

[Parama]

that's at maria not vedith

[Parama]

okay full stop

kagami why do you just pop in out of nowhere every so often to make a one liner and then disappear back into the darkness

what irks me the most is that it's a lot of backseat prodding and stances without really backing them up in anyways

not stances i disagree with, either, heck, the only post i don't particularly like on its own is 323

but the posting pattern is really making we wary

[Parama]

but actually don't we need shadow to flip scum in pre-dance not first dance

Not really.

We can hit 2 birds 1 stone.

If scum are desperate enough that they didn't get a partner early on then we scrape through the pile in the gutter for ez game ez life.

[Parama]

like literally though what's the benefit of intentionally letting one scum live just to try to get a 2-scum pairing the next day

why not just

kill the scum in pre-dance

[Parama]

I think you're misinterpreting the intent behind that post, parama.

like if you mean 332 or whatever it was

maybe that's not your direct intent but it's the intent i perceive. convince me i'm wrong. you can't just tell me i'm wrong and expect me to accept it.

[Parama]

like literally though what's the benefit of intentionally letting one scum live just to try to get a 2-scum pairing the next day

why not just

kill the scum in pre-dance

Because if a scum pairs up with a largely townie read person people will be more hesitant to lynch the pairing?

let me settle this right here that there is literally no reason for two scum to pair up

even if it gets one of them killed in the pre-game it's more beneficial for scum to just take the bus and lose a partner than to be tied to one another such that one of them going down sinks the ship of the other one

i will not hesitate a moment to lynch a really town player paired up to a really scummy player, personally. heck i basically lead my own lynch last game to get sickofit killed

[Parama]

i mean for one it confirms cerberus as town

[Parama]

Where did the shadow sr come from. The only thing from his iso I saw off was the one thing I pointed out

personally it's the arrogant tone combined with the actual literal scumslip that's doin' it for me

[Parama]

i mean for one it confirms cerberus as town

I like to have a little more to work with, and I rarely have this much leverage.

i'm stupid, part 2: explain to me what or how this is a response to my post

(or if it's quote bug my old friend explain what you were responding to)

(this post is confusing me)

[Parama]

This has to be one of the most fake pre planed conversations ever...

i bet you're a hardcore conspiracy theorist irl

obama did 7/11 amirite

[Parama]

Maria do you wanna get in on some action with me and HS I promise it'll be tons of fun

[Parama]

You're shit with reads Para, we get it... stop bragging.

yeah i'm pretty bad but i also didn't get lynched in pre-dance and wasn't on either scum wagon last game

[Parama]

Where did the shadow sr come from. The only thing from his iso I saw off was the one thing I pointed out

personally it's the arrogant tone combined with the actual literal scumslip that's doin' it for me

Shadow is always and I repeat ALWAYS arrogant it's NAI
where's the scumslip

alright but it sucks regardless

and it's 212 i've said it like a hundred times

[Parama]

i had some other reasons for why shadow was scum before he made that post but i've forgotten them

it's like a small tree stump next to a massive redwood tree

nobody sees the stump under the veil created by the tree's branches

[Parama]

i'm not getting into a dick waving contest with vedith so i'm not even going to go back and look at 665 and tell him how wrong he was

[Parama]

i had some other reasons for why shadow was scum before he made that post but i've forgotten them

it's like a small tree stump next to a massive redwood tree

nobody sees the stump under the veil created by the tree's branches

You forgot why he is scum?
Lolololol

Where am I even?

if you had basic reading comprehension skills you wouldn't make this post.
i don't think you're that stupid though, you know exactly what i was saying here.
why are you intentionally misinterpreting my post

[Parama]

i think people are just missing the tone of 212?
it's too casual. it's like he assumes killing the IC pair is something that's already fated. and that whoever pairs up with the IC is going to be town because scum wouldn't kill that pair if they wanted to partner with them, so there's probably some post in the scum PT telling them to avoid pairing with the IC or something I'd guess I don't know
but it indirectly implies that he knows cerberus is town as a result

[Parama]

the context helps i guess

i literally cannot find a way to interpret that post that does not come back to "shadow is mafia who knows cerberus is town"

[Parama]

i'm frustrated because i have this screamingly obvious scum post and very few people are seeing it
& i know i'm right on this one, absolutely

[Parama]

i think people are just missing the tone of 212?
it's too casual. it's like he assumes killing the IC pair is something that's already fated. and that whoever pairs up with the IC is going to be town because scum wouldn't kill that pair if they wanted to partner with them, so there's probably some post in the scum PT telling them to avoid pairing with the IC or something I'd guess I don't know
but it indirectly implies that he knows cerberus is town as a result

He's right though.
Scum will not pair with IC or another scum unless forced to.
He's not scummy.

let me add that he was literally arguing the opposite when he said this

Now, with that said, I don't believe any town lady should so blithely accept a dance from any gentleman. This is a chance to weed out a villain in our midst, or force the villains to dance together at the least.

Speaking of which...2 mafia gentlemen, one lady? Vice versa? Anyone have any thoughts on what's more likely?

Found the first scum. First, town have no bussiness pairing with IC cause that doesn't amount to them solving the game in any way. That overblown explanation in #98 looks like nervous scum. Second, that 'innocent' setup spec question looks like taken straight outta scumbook.

Jester has a point about Cerb.

here.
jester: "town should not want to pair with the IC, so cerberus is scummy for wanting to pair with the IC"
shadow: "i agree with jester (hence i find cerberus scummy)"

and then he goes and makes 212 anyways

[Parama]

y'know what screw it as long as shadow gets left behind i don't have to show you how he scumslipped since he's flippin' red anyways
i'm gonna go back to pokemon

[Parama]

@MariaR please pair with sick

[Parama]

okay, lynching maria d1

[Parama]

back to pokemon, i'll make actual comments later

[Parama]

VOTE: Mariastep

better than dubstep tho

[Parama]

i'm catching up now

Lots of posts in between, but @Parama:

I wanted shadow to provide us with more associations to use if he flips scum.

okay. i think we've gotten a lot of associations already

but this just

keeps scum alive instead of giving us a quick'n'easy scumflip

and since we lynched town and all in pre-dance

well

[Parama]

vedith can you explain to me why you think dunn + maria is theater and not just like

people interacting

[Parama]

You wouldn't know fake if Rihanna's ass hit you in the face

hly crap i can't

[Parama]

okay, lynching maria d1

Shell act her way out of it, sadly.

she could be the mod-confirmed innocent child and i would still lynch the pair.

[Parama]

Yeah I love to be an asshole.
Not sorry.

"i am an unpleasant, antisocial person"
~you

[Parama]

surprisingly little of value between all the slap fights tbh.

[Parama]

I'm actually not and quite pleasant IRL. But that's the thing about the internet. You can be anyone you want to. Pissing people off is fun

you are being intentionally unpleasant either way so i really don't care

[Parama]

i honestly could not give the slightest damn about maria's alignment considering she's paired to a person who scumslipped and thus doesn't even matter

[Parama]

mds saw it right away. gamma saw it. vedith figured it out after i yelled it like a dozen times too.

[Parama]

i think people are just missing the tone of 212?
it's too casual. it's like he assumes killing the IC pair is something that's already fated. and that whoever pairs up with the IC is going to be town because scum wouldn't kill that pair if they wanted to partner with them, so there's probably some post in the scum PT telling them to avoid pairing with the IC or something I'd guess I don't know
but it indirectly implies that he knows cerberus is town as a result

He's right though.
Scum will not pair with IC or another scum unless forced to.
He's not scummy.

let me add that he was literally arguing the opposite when he said this

Now, with that said, I don't believe any town lady should so blithely accept a dance from any gentleman. This is a chance to weed out a villain in our midst, or force the villains to dance together at the least.

Speaking of which...2 mafia gentlemen, one lady? Vice versa? Anyone have any thoughts on what's more likely?

Found the first scum. First, town have no bussiness pairing with IC cause that doesn't amount to them solving the game in any way. That overblown explanation in #98 looks like nervous scum. Second, that 'innocent' setup spec question looks like taken straight outta scumbook.

Jester has a point about Cerb.

here.
jester: "town should not want to pair with the IC, so cerberus is scummy for wanting to pair with the IC"
shadow: "i agree with jester (hence i find cerberus scummy)"

and then he goes and makes 212 anyways

like i tried to make it as easy to follow along as possible

[Parama]

parama i think you're town but that's really not necessarily a scumslip imo

just saying but what does me being town have anything to do with anything? this isn't about me this is about the scum who slipped. i have zero intention of shutting up about it until shadow's lynched

[Parama]

Other things which I need to address. If I was scum I'd literally have no problem with Cerb allying with the IC. I get to eliminate a strong town player along with the IC.

this is completely irrelevant to the point.

[Parama]

OH MY GOSH PARAMA I JUST REMEMBERED THAT STRAT
ALSO THANKS TO RANMARU FOR TELLING ME ABOUT HOW IT WORKS
The deal is that Shadow just decided to go "oh yeah X is scummy!" after someone else made the same accusation. Ranmaru taught me that's a decent scumtell.

this isn't really the point either

[Parama]

Go on then keep making the thread more toxic.

oh the irony

[Parama]

a "the slip":

And why do you wanna pair up with nahdia and get killed during intermission?

a "the context":

i think people are just missing the tone of 212?
it's too casual. it's like he assumes killing the IC pair is something that's already fated. and that whoever pairs up with the IC is going to be town because scum wouldn't kill that pair if they wanted to partner with them, so there's probably some post in the scum PT telling them to avoid pairing with the IC or something I'd guess I don't know
but it indirectly implies that he knows cerberus is town as a result

He's right though.
Scum will not pair with IC or another scum unless forced to.
He's not scummy.

let me add that he was literally arguing the opposite when he said this

Now, with that said, I don't believe any town lady should so blithely accept a dance from any gentleman. This is a chance to weed out a villain in our midst, or force the villains to dance together at the least.

Speaking of which...2 mafia gentlemen, one lady? Vice versa? Anyone have any thoughts on what's more likely?

Found the first scum. First, town have no bussiness pairing with IC cause that doesn't amount to them solving the game in any way. That overblown explanation in #98 looks like nervous scum. Second, that 'innocent' setup spec question looks like taken straight outta scumbook.

Jester has a point about Cerb.

here.
jester: "town should not want to pair with the IC, so cerberus is scummy for wanting to pair with the IC"
shadow: "i agree with jester (hence i find cerberus scummy)"

and then he goes and makes 212 anyways

like i tried to make it as easy to follow along as possible

[Parama]

it's not just that. it's that plus

i think people are just missing the tone of 212?
it's too casual. it's like he assumes killing the IC pair is something that's already fated. and that whoever pairs up with the IC is going to be town because scum wouldn't kill that pair if they wanted to partner with them, so there's probably some post in the scum PT telling them to avoid pairing with the IC or something I'd guess I don't know
but it indirectly implies that he knows cerberus is town as a result

^this is really the heart of the issue but you nerds needed the context too apparently
i just cannot read the post any other way besides "shadow knows that cerberus is town"

[Parama]

@Parama feel free to explain why I'd give a fuck as scum about who pairs up with the IC.

never said you did. you were scumreading cerberus and trying to use him buddying with the IC as a scumtell.

and then you outright slipped that he's town

[Parama]

i'm going to sleep now and i probably won't have time for this nonsense in the morning if you guys post too much so yeah bye see you after work tomorrow most likely

[Parama]

I never said Cerb is scummy for what Jester said.

way behind but this sticks out to me as a bold faced lie.

You explicitly said you agreed with jester's reasoning for scum reading cerb

Why are you trying to pass off any blame to jester?

[Parama]

Jester has a point about Cerb.

sup my dudes

[Parama]

lynching anywhere else is insanity imo

anyways not gonna try and catch up on 15 pages on my phone so I'll do it later

[Parama]

wondering why shadow's still alive after both scum slipping and outright lying

[Parama]

and again, all he has to say in return is a baby's first ad hominem

[Parama]

his point was an argument in favor of cerb being scum

you agreed with his post

his post called cerb scummy

what other conclusion am i expected to draw here?

[Parama]

the most irritating thing is

i have been given no reasons to townread you shadow

why do you expect my scumread to just go away, when you've done nothing to warrant such?

why should i stop calling you out, when i'm only given more and more evidence to suggest you're scum?

[Parama]

i'm gonna actually attempt to catch up proper 'cause there's been 20 pages since i did a nice good read of the thread and i figure it's probably important to see all of that
but i'm gonna try and avoid spamming the thread too much otherwise the problem will just get worse (seriously guys chill a bit)

[Parama]

Anyone scum reading Shadow should be voting him, regardless to Maria's align (secret - It's scum!).

i legitimately don't understand how you can have this opinion

like okay let's just say that there is one universe in a hundred where shadow is town
why would scum pair with the sinking ship that likely isn't going to survive to intermission over the easily manipulateable lurker?
i'll grant that neither of them are great choices but one of them is more likely to survive than the other

but the other 99 universes shadow is scum anyways and if maria was scum with him she'd have left him behind for bussing credit

[Parama]

like gonna be honest i have made absolutely no attempt to read maria because her alignment is at this point completely irrelevant

[Parama]

vedith on page 36 is just pretty generally bad tbh. his arguments either rooted in meta (inherently bad) or just outright absurd (dunn + maria scum and then maria paired with shadow scum instead of dunn, this is like, tinfoil conspiracists laughing at your tinfoil hat bad)

wouldn't cry over seeing him lynched but eyes on the prize, shadow's gotta flip red for me first

[Parama]

Might be the overexplanation/defensiveness of trying to defend Jester and making it clear she isn't going to determine his alignment

i don't really find this alignment indicative at all, just really, really stupid. i believe MDS in that she joined just to play with jester.

that aside, jester is likely scum anyways so i mean, this isn't a -bad- lynch. i don't really have much of a read either way on MDS but she was smart enough to figure out the scumslip from shadow right away so she's got that going for her at the very least

[Parama]

1 thing I will say, if Gamma is scum, then Maria isn't, however, if he's town, then I'm deadset on Maria being scum.

let's gather round the campfire, and sing the false dichotomy song

[Parama]

If Shadow is town Kagami might be scum. Otherwise Shadow is the best I have right now.

Btw inspector had a point, Gamma does look different as town in that game.

Was wondering when mds would start pushing my slot.

why is it suddenly pushing -your- slot when she declares a light scumread on your partner? maybe she just. scumreads your partner and you're not part of the equation at all?

[Parama]

chiming in to say that 1020 is great
that entire reads list minus the crossed-out vedith was posted in our PT before it was posted in-thread btw, just in case y'all were wondering

[Parama]

also really like 1038 solely for putting Jester right in the null pile. that makes me feel better about MDS in general. she could easily find some excuse to townlean him if she wanted.

[Parama]

shadow i can see your posts in p-edit and your ad hominem is literally the most unbearable thing

like, grow the hell up. you're just blaming your garbage scum play on other people and acting like the victim when you should know as well as i that you're the only one to blame here.

shut the hell up and sit down.

[Parama]

Whoever is town in this lot is going to eat one heck of a humble pie after my flip.

Maybe. Honestly though? If you're town, you can't blame the whole town for reading you as scum. Your reactions to people accusing you were horrible. If we mislynch you, that's going to be on you, too.

wow i literally just got to this right after my last post, high five

[Parama]

If Shadow is town Kagami might be scum.

Scum Meter
Nahdia
Human Sequencer
pieguyn
Cerberus
Parama
Gamma Emerald
MariaR
Ser Arthur Dayne
Vedith
Jester
inspectorscout
mhsmith0
Dunnstral
Kagami
Shadow_step

town

|

~town

|

null

|

~scum

|

scum

How does my flip have to do anything with Kagami's alignment if you scum read her anyway?

...it's a null read, are you colorblind? i'll legit forgive you for this if you are but otherwise you can't possibly be this dense

[Parama]

That post is trash though para...

it's literally the same callout post i made except she actually considers the possibility of a shadow townflip, which i am not considering

but it's mostly just

calling him out for crappy play, which is true regardless of his alignment

[Parama]

Para what's your read on ser/inspec :3

not caught up yet but i don't have particularly strong opinions on either. light townlean on both. admittedly haven't been paying great attention to either. nothing has particularly struck me as scummy from either, mostly

[Parama]

@vedith: you called for popular reads?

Since when we're Dunn Kagami popular null reads and Gamma popular town lean?

Gratz on finding the odd ones out.

Now look at the others.

sup, this is literally what you did.

Scout is just forming reads where popular demand are.
He's making a lot less effort than I've seen in him previously and I just have that tingle.

Call it popular demand
Or call it truth

I think you and shadow are town though, and I dont think both are common reads.
You just had to pair with scum...

why does vedith have to do it? you just disproved your own counterargument. either you and MDS are scummy for the same reason or neither of you are.

[Parama]

I asked a daring question and I used suggestive phrasing in attempt to extract an honest reaction out of Jester, and I didn't like his response. But I'm not going to say he's scum based just on a hunch. If I'm going to be totally honest, I like playing with him regardless of whether he's scum or not and I'd feel pretty horrible if I were the reason he got voted off as town. I wish he'd just shut up about my read on him.

He didn't lie to you, I just said that to shut him up. :/

this is gonna be a really bad mindset if you guys get close to lylo and jester's scum. mafia's not a game about personal biases like this.

[Parama]

I would like the people who scumread Vedith explain why scum!Vedith would call his--

her?

gentleman scum, especially with how many votes Gamma has right now? Like even if it's a gambit for towncredit, towncredit is literally useless for Vedith if Gamma ends up being booted from the dance floor.

I mean, I'm not really pushing Gamma, at least where the rest of you can see, it could be seen as a creditable cause while I hope that Maria and Shadow is lynched - That's if I'm scum, of course, which I'm not.

mmm i like this actually. i think scum-vedith would just let this be instead of going out of their way to weaken an argument that helps him

as of right now i've given all hope of being able to catch up in a reasonable timeframe. i'm not even halfway caught up yet lol and i have other crap to do tonight

[Parama]

+shadow don't forget your responding to arguments against you with ad hominem and being caught outright lying

[Parama]

- MDS's post 888 might be contender for worst single post in the whole thread.

you're like the second person to really be hating on this post and i'm trying to figure out why, explain this to me

[Parama]

I didn't lie, only you and HS think so. Don't expect pleasant responses when you're being stupid. I'm done with this game.

seeya! leave the dance or vote yourself or something irdc! ain't gonna miss you in the slightest!

[Parama]

Oh look HS you're not responding for 30 seconds, you must have gotten scared and turned off your internet and burnt the house to hide evidence you're scum

this is salty scumposting, i'm happy keeping my scumread on jester intact

[Parama]

1152

is a holy fucking misrep.

I was scum reading Cerb because he wanted to pair with the IC

, how the hell can you say that I already scum read him? BS
also please explain how scum! Me gains any town points by poking Cerb?

unless i'm missing something here (there's a possibility the bolded is sarcasm or something? it doesn't read like it but i'm not sure so i'd be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt) this is literally contradictory to your claim that you never scumread cerberus

[Parama]

That is exactly what parama has been saying and it's not wrong. 165 indicates a scum-read of some level on cerb, 212 is the infamous "why pair with IC and be NKed?"

Didn't answer the question.
In what world does saying a point = scum read?

okay ignore my last post then. just really weird phrasing. fine. i don't believe you never scumread cerberus but 1163 at least probably isn't just a direct contradiction to that statement

and yes dunn i know i'm way behind a hell of a lot of it is your fault too

[Parama]

dunn, take a step back for a moment and you'll see the gaping hole in that logic

[Parama]

The town-shadow explanation there is that he finds Cerb's behavior odd and was poking at oddities without really thinking through the implications of them, which weighs against the probability that scum-shadow was poking at him in an effort to appear townish and did so in a very clumsy way. I don't think it's quite the smoking gun Parama is making it out to be, but meh.

OK I think I must be missing something because I still am not sure what exactly he missed in 212. I think 212 was intentionally worded in a way that assumed Cv666 was town, and the point was to say something along the lines of "if you're town this doesn't make sense". what am I missing here?]

you're close. tonally it comes off like he -knew- cerberus was town.

[Parama]

dunn, take a step back for a moment and you'll see the gaping hole in that logic

Not seeing anything

if maria is town and wrong, gamma is town

[Parama]

@is: 1) she's my partner
2) nahdia is IC so why do you care about why she's asking the question?

I forgot she was your partner, I thought she was with someone else. Sorry.

I do think it's important to follow her thought process, even if she's the IC. Not to figure her out (obviously) but to help me find how she thinks. In this case I was just dumb though.

Why do you care how she thinks? She's the ic. You don't have to sort her at all.

i mean it's good to have an understanding of people's opinions instead of not questioning them and blindly sheeping, innit?

[Parama]

?

Maria doesn't factor in at all

your argument is literally "gamma is talking to maria like she's town -and- wrong"
and she thinks gamma is scum

[Parama]

Why, if you think I'm scum, are you even talking about SAD? Do you think we are both scum? You saying this shows that you are either townreading me or throwing shade.

umm he doesn't have a particularly strong scumread on you and even if he did why stop him from reading SAD anyways? just because you're paired doesn't mean there's no use in trying to read partners

[Parama]

okay between the earlier mds "scumslip" and dunn trying to accuse gamma of a "scumslip" i really don't think people are very good at recognizing actual scumslips
shadow's the only one who's made a real slip as far as i can see.

really don't like sadboy's 1346 especially, i think dunn's just kind of dumb and i forgive him but that post from ser is actually kinda gross
(hint: there's no contradiction in the two posts he pointed out)

[Parama]

Para what's your read on ser/inspec :3

not caught up yet but i don't have particularly strong opinions on either. light townlean on both. admittedly haven't been paying great attention to either. nothing has particularly struck me as scummy from either, mostly

update: move inspector down to null and sadboy to nullish scum

[Parama]

Parama I don't know how to tell you this,

But using ~these~ instead of -this- for emphasis looks a lot prettier (and yours looks horrid).

that's just like, -your- opinion, man

[Parama]

and with that i'm actually honest to god caught up

i am not doing this again tomorrow. if y'all post 20 pages again i'm just gonna... not read

i don't even feel there's a purpose to reading anymore until we have some flips tbh a lot of this banter is useless

[Parama]

If anyone on the shadow wagon tr's me Get OFF IT
based on our PT I am strongly sure shadow is town

elaborate

[Parama]

If anyone on the shadow wagon tr's me Get OFF IT
based on our PT I am strongly sure shadow is town

elaborate

He's acting extremely geninune to me I know you guys find his tone annoying but he's never bitchy to me and he keeps on saying sorry that I'm gonna die because of him I strongly think he's being honest.

this gives me absolutely nothing to work with and just looks like desperation on his part tbh

but it's kind of amusing to think about i'll admit

[Parama]

I cannot see MariaR and ShadowStep being scum together after what she just said.

and why the hell were you thinking it to begin with?
i've said it like a dozen times, it's counterproductive for scum to partner together
especially with maria choosing the widely scumread person as their partner over the lurker townie

[Parama]

>>>hey parama this is where you stopped reading last night if there aren't 10 new pages showing up overnight start here tomorrow<<<

[Parama]

the only thing I've put in the PT and not in thread is my overall reads lists but I feel I've been pretty transparent on most of my reads regardless

I don't even understand your argument tho tbh

Why the hell -shouldn't- I focus on my top scumread? If I had been completely avoiding talking about anyone else then sure you'd have a point but 5 seconds of my iso can show that's not the case

[Parama]

>parama has 1 read

haha screw off

That entire list is a giant freaking misrep in general tbh

[Parama]

13 pages... let's see if i can catch up in half an hour lol

[Parama]

'Hey look how townie I am'
You're alive. If you know you're town, you can use VCA ~right now~ to analyze your wagon and point out who you think is most scummy, and we can use your views post-flip.

shadow, why didn't you do this?
like this would be a legit helpful thing to do but you follow up with an unrelated question and then another bitter useless post

[Parama]

i legitimately do not understand how anyone could think HS is scum, page 65 is literally an entire page of HS trying to wring information out of shadow that could only possibly benefit town regardless of shadow's alignment

[Parama]

okay gamma's one on 66 and 67 is legitimately starting to worry me tbh. between the lining up lynches and the ridiculously confident attitude while spewing absolutely absurd reasoning it's really adding up to a big ping on the scumdar

[Parama]

Like seriously gamma look at how I interacted w/ Vedith earlier,

if I was scum

and shadow was scum there is no way I wouldn't switch to pushing the Vedith lynch.

Day 3 lynch this if no scum in Maria/Shadow.
Day 2 lynch me and Gamma if no scum in Maria/Shadow

1. this is dumb
2. vedith's still town guys

[Parama]

Why is everybody suddenly arranging lynches for like 2 days from now? Calm down please.

^this, it's literally useless to line up lynches until you have actual flips to work with

unless y'know you're scum who knows how everyone will flip

[Parama]

Sorry I'm not pushing the Shadow wagon but Jester is pretty set on both of them being town and I trust his judgement.

Unvote

Vote: MDS

This is scum she has literally done nothing but fence sit how aren't people seeing these terrible posts. And now she uses Jester reads to give more non commital reads.

I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that MDS is a townie who is so attached to Jester that she is literally playing the game through him.

1. this vote is bad
2. but seriously MDS stop blindly sheeping Jester

[Parama]

Also I'm pretty sure it has been said already
But if Shadow/Maria are both town Kagami is probably scum

holy christ you've lined up like 5 lynches based on this one wagon alone

[Parama]

I think Parama is town based on how she is pushing Shadow

remind me to get back to this one

[Parama]

No I'd actually be more inclined to lynch them if you flip SCUM based on my current reads.

nvm no need to get back to it, i found it

[Parama]

Human Sequencer - Parama: If Shadow isn't happening, this is DEFINITELY my next pick. If HS flips scum, Shadow is likely scum, if Parama flips scum, Shadow is probably town. Very informarionally rich.

i'll get into how bad this stance is later but this is also inconsistent with the above two posts

[Parama]

MDS has no scumreads
You have no scumreads
Shadow has NO reads
Dunn has NO reads
Maria has NO reads
Vedith has 1 read
Parama has 1 read
Cerb has done nothing
mhsmith has done nothing (except discuss setup early on ~so~ helpful wow)
Gamma has ????????? reads
Kagami has ????????? reads

Scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everybody's alignment.

[Parama]

You can't tell me this equates to no reads

MDS has no scumreads

like there is literally a scumread very visibly marked are you colorblind too???

[Parama]

SS is a lot more complex. It comes down to the "case" against him feeling like shit(do you all seriously think scum!shadow blatantly contradicts himself? That's a dumb town mistake, not a scum one). I'll iso him after I'm done catching up though,and then I'm going ot iso pie who pinged me with her first few posts today, but I don't really know why.

Town would own up to their mistakes IMO. Instead he just outright denies there was ever a contradiction to begin with.

[Parama]

All your reasons to town read Maria are bullshit. Esp this one where aren'r even considering that both Maria and I are scum. So Maria can say whatever the heck she wants in the thread about what's happening in the PT.

to be fair this is actually pretty town. ehh.

[Parama]

cerberus is becoming pretty obvtown tbh. his stuff on pages 71/72 is great

[Parama]

1. BARELY ANY PEOPLE HAVE READS. This is a true fact. I'm not going to argue this point.

holy crap dude your ego is just as bad as shadow's
you're acting like you're the only one with reads which is just

not true

like

it's so easy to produce evidence counter to this statement, why the hell are you even making it?
this slot needs to die tbh

i'll note how waffly he's been on shadow, hoppin on and off the wagon again at a moment's notice. just gonna keep it in mind when shadow flips scum

[Parama]

Human Sequencer - Parama: If Shadow isn't happening, this is DEFINITELY my next pick. If HS flips scum, Shadow is likely scum, if Parama flips scum, Shadow is probably town. Very informarionally rich.

alright now that i'm basically caught up it's back to this.

i'd like to draw attention to how gamma has placed my pair as his #2 preferred lynch solely, exclusively on the basis of potential information it provides... about his #1 preferred lynch

like that doesn't even logically make sense (why would you lynched your #2 to read your #1? shouldn't it be the other way around)
but it's also completely dodging giving any sort of read on my pair
it's a complete nothing of an argument

[Parama]

where's the town motivation to do so

[Parama]

as far as i can tell:

nothing of interest happened while i slept.

i don't think there's any value to continued posting when we don't have flips, honestly.

[Parama]

re: 1992

you already have all this from me and I don't want to post it in-thread quite yet

[Parama]

as far as i can tell:

nothing of interest happened while i slept.

i don't think there's any value to continued posting when we don't have flips, honestly.

ewwwwwww

hi, i've been ready for a flip since like page 20 and it's been utterly infuriating that nobody can seem to make up their mind on anything. all i see is talking in circles at this point. heck even the 15 or so pages i read yesterday didn't have a whole lot of useful new information on them

also i'm just really bored tbqh

[Parama]

actually why the hell are there two scum on the shadow wagon

uuuggh

[Parama]

Not Voting [4]

- The_Jester, Cerberus v666, mhsmith0, Nahdia

VOTE GODDAMMIT

[Parama]

absolutely no excuse for not having a vote placed at the moment

that includes you miss IC

[Parama]

this game has one of the most unpleasant atmospheres I've ever seen can you all stop being total dicks to each other because all it does is make the game less fun for everyone

[Parama]

how about we lynch someone

but seriously screw off maria

[Parama]

How anyone can think interactions between gamma and I are s/s I have no bloody idea.

I'm honestly inclined to agree with this and it's frustrating

[Parama]

Cerberus no offense but your "don't lynch until after intermission" is insanely stupid and I don't have the time to get into all the reasons why from phone

[Parama]

loooolll gamma is flailing hardcore.

Between that and the "lynch Parama/HS exclusively for info on Maria/Shadow" bs it's just desperate survivalism at this point

[Parama]

why is everyone being stuck on three wagons a bad thing

if everyone was pushing different directions it'd be impossible to make any progress at all

and there's only 8 possible wagons to begin with anyways