New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

Um, what's up with the mod confirmation of Nahdia's alignment?

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't notice that part of the setup.

[Gamma Emerald]

MariaR, would you like to dance?

[Gamma Emerald]

i sure hope this game goes slightlyy less painfully than the last one

What
Town won the last game

[Gamma Emerald]

You get PTs when all pairs are formed.

[Gamma Emerald]

i sure hope this game goes slightlyy less painfully than the last one

What
Town won the last game

uh, no they didnt

maybe not the last one this size
but the last one based on this concept

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait I just realized
I think Human Sequencer may be Susan from EGS

[Gamma Emerald]

@HS did you look that up or did you know that already?
I made that comment because you said "men are pushy and mean".

[Gamma Emerald]

@HS did you look that up or did you know that already?
I made that comment because you said "men are pushy and mean".

I looked it up, no idea what egs is.

It's a webcomic that is about teenage life, genderbending, aliens, and magic.

[Gamma Emerald]

For the morons who don't bother reading anything.

1. Game name
   - New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball
   
2. Flavor
   - Summer Waltz
   
3. Number of players
   - 17
   
4. Are hydras allowed (Yes/No)
   - No
   
5. Your modding experience
   - Summer Waltz
   
6. Current modding commitments
   - None
   
7. Reviewers
   - None
   
8. Reviewers agreed to FINAL version? (Yes/No)
   - Yes
   
9. Backup or co-mod
   - GuyInFreezer
   
10. Backup or co-mod's experience
    - Many including multiple Large Theme games
    
11. Backup or co-mod's commitments
    - Mini Theme
    
12. Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions,

    un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game? (Yes/No)

    - No,

Making it 3/0 in whatever gender's favour would surely making it bastard.

LOL this guy has no concept of what is bastard.

[Gamma Emerald]

GE, What part of there is no undivulged non randomness in alighment generation don't you understand ?

If it WAS random, then it's not bastard.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmmm
I see many accusations in the future involving this setup spec...

[Gamma Emerald]

Randomized distribution of scum between male and female isn't bastard, nor is forcing it any certain way, but now that we know it's random yes, there's no benefit to attempting to figure it out.

pedit: *sigh* Nahdia. you're INNOCENT. And a child. Not special.

Erm, this does not mesh with the theme. Thankfully I kept an eye on the deck development so I can suggest the term "Confirmed Innocent".

[Gamma Emerald]

hello im special

I'm special in the head too dw.

If you think about it,

everyone is crazy. Crazy people just admit, while other refuse to believe it.

You mean

normal

people admit it.

[Gamma Emerald]

What okay

[Gamma Emerald]

is nobody else going to acknowledge the actual, honest-to-god scumslip from shadow

i haven't seen a slip that clean-cut in ages

I saw it
He doesn't make it past pre-dance, anyone who accepts his invitation is scum with him.

[Gamma Emerald]

Homestuck is town.

Best post ever.
Also I agree.

[Gamma Emerald]

This game is so much more lewd than the last one and I'm entirely fine with that.

Because Dunnstral finally posted

[Gamma Emerald]

Dunnstral if you want Maria again we're going to have a problem

[Gamma Emerald]

1880s called, they want their scum hunting tools back.
If omgus is the best you can do you should go back to playing newbies.

No queue has reached that number so I don't know what you're talking about.

[Gamma Emerald]

No
I don't really see any discrepancies in HS's play so far Dunnstral

[Gamma Emerald]

1880s called, they want their scum hunting tools back.
If omgus is the best you can do you should go back to playing newbies.

No queue has reached that number so I don't know what you're talking about.

It's a

YEAR

I'm being obtuse on purpose dude

[Gamma Emerald]

Dunnstral if you want Maria again we're going to have a problem

And why is that

Because I must be with her
It is my destiny

No
I don't really see any discrepancies in HS's play so far Dunnstral

bit early to start white knighting

OK then tell how she's faking her play

This game is so much more lewd than the last one and I'm entirely fine with that.

Because Dunnstral finally posted

What's up?
Also what made you choose that avvie?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma you're wasting your time. Maria is going to partner up with moi.

No, you're getting kicked out of this establishment.

[Gamma Emerald]

nah but seriously this is why i fucking hate it when people change avatar

Hey don't hate the adorable blue dragon

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do YOU want to pair with someone who hasnt even posted yet?

Because they are DAMN GOOD as town and I think I can figure them out if they are scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Dude if you're in love just admit your love while the game has still a slight amount of romance.

Well I know I've already picked up a partner, but I think I might have recently fallen for pieguyn

Yes pieguyn is adorable

[Gamma Emerald]

I was just paired with her and believe I can figure her out

ALSO, I ENJOYED our last pt together

@mariaR

Dude if you're in love just admit your love while the game has still a slight amount of romance.

Why do YOU want to pair with someone who hasnt even posted yet?

Because they are DAMN GOOD as town and I think I can figure them out if they are scum.

Same, read above.

Yes it's true
She is my One True Love

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

Lady Nahdia is aligned with

Town

.

AAAAAAAAAAAA NAT NAT I'M TOWN HI NAT OMG WETEZSRYERYS4R4RSDD

This looks towny to me
What prompt this response?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lady Nahdia is aligned with

Town

.

AAAAAAAAAAAA NAT NAT I'M TOWN HI NAT OMG WETEZSRYERYS4R4RSDD

This looks towny to me
What prompt this response?

Because nat is my bff and I wanted to be town with her

Yup
Solid town

[Gamma Emerald]

Me and Shadow will be like that Bella and vampire guy.

This is terrible

[Gamma Emerald]

That reaction with that explanation assures me MariaR is town.

[Gamma Emerald]

MariaR, I must admit my true feelings, please dance with me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh right there's also vedith. Forgot about "her". Not really sure on vedith yet, I haven't played w him enough to really get much of a meta read there.

I still have a fresh dress from the last dance... however, I'll go with Shadow as he's town.

Do you really want to leave super-early again?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd suggest pie > kagami > vedith

I feel like the second two are likely to be aligned with a faction that does not necessarily contribute to the win condition of the common people

But what if we're all aristocrats and the three mafia are the common people trying to infiltrate our ranks? DID YOU THINK OF THAT??????

That would actually make a lot of sense
Yay for funposting

[Gamma Emerald]

Semi wish there were more ladies so I DIDN'T HAVE SO MANY PPL ASKING ME
It's hard cause I can't tell who is scum trying to just get out of the lynch and who is town >.>

Please I beg you
Dance with me

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma scummy

Nah he's town.

scum townreading each other

But I DON'T townread Vedith.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd rather we leave gamma dunn go with kagami
and the last pair takes the

leftovers

Vedith

No please
I can't go on like this
My heart

[Gamma Emerald]

@Pieguyn
I believe town is more likely to make those sorts of I'm town with you posts

[Gamma Emerald]

I am glad you are supporting this and disgusted you are scum supporting this at the same time.
@Shadow

[Gamma Emerald]

@Pieguyn
I believe town is more likely to make those sorts of I'm town with you posts

I specifically ask about 502; I would expect that you would have made sure you had a full understanding of the context behind Maria's 464 before declaring it as a town post. am I missing something?

I was trying to pocket her so she'd let her guard down

[Gamma Emerald]

No plz
I won't be left behiiiiind

[Gamma Emerald]

Vedith will you dance with me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are people saying Sick is useless

[Gamma Emerald]

Wifom
Suck it

again, no dancing with this guy, ladies

Agreed. He's a fuck boy

Guys you are making this too hard to read for lazy people like me.

Pedit...
Pedit...
Pedit...
This is rediculous lol

Sickofit's iso so far

Mkay

[Gamma Emerald]

Mkay

uh?

I understand what you are communicating
I think he can be useful if he posts real content

[Gamma Emerald]

AAAAAHJH
I WAS ABOUT TO CHSNGE MW NIFD
I CANT TYPE RIGHT AHHHH
PLZ LET ME REVOKE THIS
I DIDNT WANT TO STEP ON DUNNS TOES AND ASKED THE PERSON I THOUGHT WAS SCUM

[Gamma Emerald]

What happened to wanting to pair with Shadow tho?

[Gamma Emerald]

What happened to wanting to pair with Shadow tho?

@Vedith

[Gamma Emerald]

What happened to wanting to pair with Shadow tho?

@Vedith

Vedith plz answer this

[Gamma Emerald]

@MariaR didn't you say you wanted to pair with a SR? You seemee to be indicating I was one before yoy accepted Shadow.

[Gamma Emerald]

do it

i ship it

omg love triangle

NOT HELPING

Pedit: Dunn I think you're town let me go with someone scummy so I can die with them
I know i'm really bad at giving reads so someone elses input is prob better then my own

i'm frustrated because i have this screamingly obvious scum post and very few people are seeing it
& i know i'm right on this one, absolutely

the post you're talking about isn't a scumslip it was more shadow asking a question that had little to no substance when the answer was really obv

MariaR

I'm making sure you get a partner dw ASK KAGAMI
I want gamma left behind over shadow and if ppl find him scummy I'll die with em

hell no.

Sure shadow let's dance

This is incredibly inconsistent

[Gamma Emerald]

How come you didn't pair with me
You thought I was scummy
others did too

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma if u hadnt been the one to point it out i woulda said she's ur partner lmao

Actually that was Vedith in the PT

[Gamma Emerald]

Like your mood change is the only weird thing about you and I don't know if you'd call me scum over shadow the easier push as scum but I don't know what you're doing
Pedit: I wanted to dance with shadow because he's a friend and if he was town I would've felt really fucking shitty lynching him

I'M NOT YOUR FRIEND?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you reject my friendship?

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyways
VOTE: MariaStep

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo can we not fucking speedgame?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Maria reads townie near the end of predance.

It's too bad she paired with the scummiest person on the planet.

OK Why not vote Shadow then?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Maria reads townie near the end of predance.

It's too bad she paired with the scummiest person on the planet.

OK Why not vote Shadow then?

I think Maria reads townie near the end of predance.

What's your reads on me and Vedith then?

[Gamma Emerald]

What are these gaps?

[Gamma Emerald]

Excuse me, how am I flailing?

[Gamma Emerald]

How about you answer my question instead of OMGUSing me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, still doesn't excuse voting for me when I ask you to explain your logic.

[Gamma Emerald]

To adapt from something rb once said:
MariaR's entire scumgame is just to act cutesy so that all the men in the game don't wanna lynch her becoz it hurts their chances of having teh sexes chat with her, ergo she's scum now because AAAAHH EMOTION-NAL P-POSTING PLZ D-DONT HURT MEEE
Also that quick pairing with probscum Shadow isn't good

[Gamma Emerald]

To adapt from something rb once said:
MariaR's entire scumgame is just to act cutesy so that all the men in the game don't wanna lynch her becoz it hurts their chances of having teh sexes chat with her, ergo she's scum now because AAAAHH EMOTION-NAL P-POSTING PLZ D-DONT HURT MEEE
Also that quick pairing with probscum Shadow isn't good

............................................................................
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Can people slow the fuck down? I can't tell how many votes are on me rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

OH MY GOSH PARAMA I JUST REMEMBERED THAT STRAT
ALSO THANKS TO RANMARU FOR TELLING ME ABOUT HOW IT WORKS
The deal is that Shadow just decided to go "oh yeah X is scummy!" after someone else made the same accusation. Ranmaru taught me that's a decent scumtell.

[Gamma Emerald]

The point which I was talking about Cerb was his setup spec which Jester bought up.
Him asking what the setup was to other players was odd because it is a useless question. Setup spec is a nice way for scum to show like they are contributing when they're not.
Not the IC pairing thing.

Still doesn't change the fact you did the copycat thing.

[Gamma Emerald]

To adapt from something rb once said:
MariaR's entire scumgame is just to act cutesy so that all the men in the game don't wanna lynch her becoz it hurts their chances of having teh sexes chat with her, ergo she's scum now because AAAAHH EMOTION-NAL P-POSTING PLZ D-DONT HURT MEEE
Also that quick pairing with probscum Shadow isn't good

wait he WASN'T even talking to maria there

ADAPT
And that might have been tasteless. I apologize if I offended you MariaR, but your still scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

The point which I was talking about Cerb was his setup spec which Jester bought up.
Him asking what the setup was to other players was odd because it is a useless question. Setup spec is a nice way for scum to show like they are contributing when they're not.
Not the IC pairing thing.

Still doesn't change the fact you did the copycat thing.

Sorry I don't care what scum think.

For the person who says "I don't have to explain things to scum" this response is rather unnecessary.

[Gamma Emerald]

ADAPT

So do you actually believe that?

It was a joke post expressing my frustration that no one seemed to notice the fact MariaR quick-accepted Shadow.

[Gamma Emerald]

Jrez.you don't know chill

I don't know at what L- the vedith pair is but INTENT TO VOTE
@gamma: you were pretty damn desperate aaking out vedith. Do you think hes town.
@dunnstral: you said your partner was scummy. Do you still think so? Do you intent on leaving?

Not so much anymore. They had a really good catch they presented in the PT. I had forgotten I sred him when I asked, but I think asking him may have been the best thing I did for sorting him.

[Gamma Emerald]

Parama I feel like I've made that same argument this game that scum aren't likely to pair up with ic because then they look bad when ic doesn't flip so what's your point

Her case is way different
She's saying that Shadow jumped on Jester's idea saying "what Cerb did was scummy!" then he said that Cerb was going to die during the intermission. That's inconsistent.

[Gamma Emerald]

So gamma desperately proposes as one of the last 3 single men
To a scumread

And when he can leave he causally forgets his scumread on gis partner

???

Walk me through town gamma

I feel it was my best play actually, pairing with him.

[Gamma Emerald]

So gamma desperately proposes as one of the last 3 single men
To a scumread

And when he can leave he causally forgets his scumread on gis partner

???

Walk me through town gamma

Post 888 I strongly gut scumread



Might be the overexplanation/defensiveness of trying to defend Jester and making it clear she isn't going to determine his alignment

I don't like her push on shadow. I know that sounds weird because a lot of people are but I don't like her push on shadow

I'd like to see more from them first.
Jester is normally pretty easy to read, of course, this doesn't really help with the Mini situation.
I can't go into detail, but I can see a reason of Mini over explaining to a degree.

I didn't want to dance with Dunn because I tr him and I think it would've been better if he danced with a dif lady as all ladies must be picked and if Dunn got a scum lady I trust in him to be able to figure out if he got paired with a scum lady or a town lady where I already wanted to dance with shadow as I'm bias and since he was like "I don't wanna dance with anyone else" I felt if I didn't pick him and he was town I would've felt like an ass

What
If you wanted to dance with Shadow that badly why'd you take so long to accept?

[Gamma Emerald]

1) Doesn't go for low-hanging fruit like scum!Gamma does.
2) Looks goofy and comfortable like town!Gamma and unlike scum!Gamma.
3) Habitually scummy which IIRC is typical of him.
4) Why would town gents be OK with being left behind? Why would town gents refuse to pair with scum ladies? I don't get that part.
5) Did he forget the scumread? I must have missed that. I think he just said "I don't tr Vedith"

1) could be
2) I hosted a game with him as town; I disagree with this
3) see above
4) you have a point
But asking out a scumread lady doesn't help you as you get lynched anyway
5) I thought I saw that somewhere
Pls dun let me quote have mercy

About 2 and 3) I was a Watcher that game and tried to stay under the radar.

[Gamma Emerald]

although scum me would 100% pair with smith or gamma

That's a lie
You know I've seen you as scum
What makes you so sure I won't catch you?

[Gamma Emerald]

although scum me would 100% pair with smith or gamma

Or me if you wanted to win as scum y'know

real talk

Oh hell no I'd be scared af to go dance with you if I was scum cause I'd think you'd figure me out by comparing dances
Smith and gamma are easy to manipulate...dam why do I have a scum plan yet no town plan
*rechecks role pm*

Are you kidding me? I saw through you Day 1 in Mini 1850.

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum
1 - Maria
2 - Dunn
3 - Gamma
4 - Scout
5 - Shadow

Town
1 - Nahdia
2 - Cerb
3 - Para
4 - Kagami
5 - Maybe SAD, just maybe.

Any others go to null

How recently did you start sring me?

[Gamma Emerald]

although scum me would 100% pair with smith or gamma

That's a lie
You know I've seen you as scum
What makes you so sure I won't catch you?

You've never guessed me as scum once gamma and you're easy as fuck to fool sorry if it's hard to hear

Mini 1850

[Gamma Emerald]

although scum me would 100% pair with smith or gamma

Or me if you wanted to win as scum y'know

real talk

Oh hell no I'd be scared af to go dance with you if I was scum cause I'd think you'd figure me out by comparing dances
Smith and gamma are easy to manipulate...dam why do I have a scum plan yet no town plan
*rechecks role pm*

Are you kidding me? I saw through you Day 1 in Mini 1850.

No you didn't lol

Yeah I did
Miss "I'm going to ease off this wagon suddenly"

[Gamma Emerald]

1) Doesn't go for low-hanging fruit like scum!Gamma does.
2) Looks goofy and comfortable like town!Gamma and unlike scum!Gamma.
3) Habitually scummy which IIRC is typical of him.
4) Why would town gents be OK with being left behind? Why would town gents refuse to pair with scum ladies? I don't get that part.
5) Did he forget the scumread? I must have missed that. I think he just said "I don't tr Vedith"

1) could be
2) I hosted a game with him as town; I disagree with this
3) see above
4) you have a point
But asking out a scumread lady doesn't help you as you get lynched anyway
5) I thought I saw that somewhere
Pls dun let me quote have mercy

About 2 and 3) I was a Watcher that game and tried to stay under the radar.

So you are saying that you normally do scummy things?

Yeah
Point is to see if it's actually scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Human is town. I actually hope she's town because I don't see scum!her in any way atm.

I disliked the way she pushed my inactivity while maintaining the stance that im town

Where?

[Gamma Emerald]

i want every1's reads on Parame and HS.

HS solid town, comparing to last time her play doesn't feel like an imitation
Parama close to solid town unless Shadow flips town

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma, could I please have your recollection of your PT so far?

One second

[Gamma Emerald]

Post 1: I ask about Vedith's desire to pair with Shadow
Post 2: Vedith says Parama might be right (which I assume means he changed his mind about wanting to pair with Shadow), then points out Maria's inconsistency
Post 3: Vedith complaining that Maria is going to avoid the lynch because she just does
Post 4: Vedith tells me to participate in the partner PT more and asks for reads on MDS, pie, and scout
Post 5 and 6: me responding to Post 4
Post 7: Vedith talks about MDS, Pie, and scout some more
Post 8: Vedith mentions HS is buttering him up, comments on the chances town has
Post 9: Vedith says Jester is town

[Gamma Emerald]

I made 3/9

[Gamma Emerald]

i want every1's reads on Parame and HS.

HS solid town, comparing to last time her play doesn't feel like an imitation
Parama close to solid town unless Shadow flips town

So this the ML you are going to push next. Okay

No
I didn't elaborate what it was, if you flip town I'm going to reconsider with what the flips were

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright, I'm ok with vedith-town.

Oh my gosh I think I found UnfoundedRevenge

[Gamma Emerald]

And what's your water tight case on me again Gamma?

Only thing in your iso is

is nobody else going to acknowledge the actual, honest-to-god scumslip from shadow

i haven't seen a slip that clean-cut in ages

I saw it
He doesn't make it past pre-dance, anyone who accepts his invitation is scum with him.

Which is equivalent to this fake over reaction.

OH MY GOSH PARAMA I JUST REMEMBERED THAT STRAT
ALSO THANKS TO RANMARU FOR TELLING ME ABOUT HOW IT WORKS
The deal is that Shadow just decided to go "oh yeah X is scummy!" after someone else made the same accusation. Ranmaru taught me that's a decent scumtell.

My main thing I'm sring Shadow for is the fact he jumped on Cerb saying "Cerb is scummy for what Jester said!" and then went "How will it feel to be eliminated in the intermission, Cerb" which contradicts his earlier statement on Cerb's alignment.

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe just lynching shadow is correct, regardless.

Parama is not wrong that it's very strange to say "Why are you doing something that will just get you NKed?" to someone you're scumreading.

The town-shadow explanation there is that he finds Cerb's behavior odd and was poking at oddities without really thinking through the implications of them, which weighs against the probability that scum-shadow was poking at him in an effort to appear townish and did so in a very clumsy way. I don't think it's quite the smoking gun Parama is making it out to be, but meh.

I still don't like jester's early play and I don't have any terribly fuzzy feeling about MDS either. I think scum-MDS would probably have held out for just a bit, but if there was already a pre-established pairing plan, that may have itself looked suspicious. Jester's "In fact I know you do, therefore my question should be: are you brave enough?" bit makes a show of saying "I'm totes going to be sorting you (because I am town)," which is counterproductive to any real attempt to establish a read. I'm treating 17 as a joke, but I find it strange that no one jumped on that. It's exactly the sort of low-hanging-fruit comment that usually attracts a scumread nibble. I'm also concerned that pretty much everyone had jester/mds as some level of scumread, but they didn't get any real attention at dance-start.

tl;dr: down for lynching either of those pairs, somewhat prefer jester. Ended up with much more text than I'd like.

Yeah, I can understand where a town might say something like that, but the inconsistency combined with the copycatting is what makes me think it's scum formed logic.

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everybody's alignment.

Now that I'm looking at this point from a town perspective, I think I can articulate better what is wrong with it.
Scum may know everyone's alignment, but they need to know what the popular opinion is and what not, so they still need to read. What you can do is see who says "I don't wanna read" and yet demonstrates an understanding of in-game events. This likely means they are getting told what is going on in daychat.
I know not all games have daychat, but specifically for this setup, I feel that point is relevant.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol Vedith. I think Trans is better player than you
You know I always find scum when I'm town and you should sheep me always.

Okay then, who's scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm. I may try to structure my reads by pairs.

[Gamma Emerald]

JD?

[Gamma Emerald]

One of my preferred scumhunting methods is watching people interact with confirmed town. Scum will try to discredit them any way they can.

[Gamma Emerald]

Which reminds me of something dumb

although scum me would 100% pair with smith or gamma

Or me if you wanted to win as scum y'know

real talk

Oh hell no I'd be scared af to go dance with you if I was scum cause I'd think you'd figure me out by comparing dances
Smith and gamma are easy to manipulate...dam why do I have a scum plan yet no town plan
*rechecks role pm*

I think you're underestimating my ability to get buddied and willingness to lynch someone that agrees with me

Oh hey I just remembered something about me being able to read MariaR
By the end of D1 in Watch Dogs Blitz I was beginning to suspect that slot because of how blindly MariaR was defending me

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait do you think she's scum too? It's not just vedith?

You're just now realizing this?

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't realize that was directed at me

[Gamma Emerald]

I literally cannot follow that wall you're going to have to break it down

[Gamma Emerald]

it wasn't directed at you it was @maria

What do you mean you can't follow it

From page 54 on I'm asking people their thoughts on Kagami

That's more helpful
gimme a sec

[Gamma Emerald]

I never said Cerb is scummy for what Jester said.

way behind but this sticks out to me as a bold faced lie.

You explicitly said you agreed with jester's reasoning for scum reading cerb

Why are you trying to pass off any blame to jester?

If you don't understand the meaning of me saying "he has a point" and "he is scum because of what Jester said" then even god can't help you.

So you admit to the charges I have filed against you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Kagami is townlean

[Gamma Emerald]

vedith on page 36 is just pretty generally bad tbh. his arguments either rooted in meta (inherently bad) or just outright absurd (dunn + maria scum and then maria paired with shadow scum instead of dunn, this is like, tinfoil conspiracists laughing at your tinfoil hat bad)

wouldn't cry over seeing him lynched but eyes on the prize, shadow's gotta flip red for me first

No actually what Vedith is saying makes sense
MariaR was very averse to pairing with Dunnstral. Me too, but the point is it feels like she was making a show of it.

[Gamma Emerald]

vedith on page 36 is just pretty generally bad tbh. his arguments either rooted in meta (inherently bad) or just outright absurd (dunn + maria scum and then maria paired with shadow scum instead of dunn, this is like, tinfoil conspiracists laughing at your tinfoil hat bad)

wouldn't cry over seeing him lynched but eyes on the prize, shadow's gotta flip red for me first

No actually what Vedith is saying makes sense
MariaR was very averse to pairing with Dunnstral. Me too, but the point is it feels like she was making a show of it.

This is fucking scum parroting something someone else said

I'm axknowledging the fact you didn't want to pair with me when that devalues my case
Why would I do that as scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

This isn't gamma's town game by a LONG SHOT
I wanted him left but he panicked and asked Vedith because I knew I wanted his ass left out and then threw shade my way when I was the one who left sick

I regret nothing, Vedith is a pretty good townread for me now

[Gamma Emerald]

AAAAAHJH
I WAS ABOUT TO CHSNGE MW NIFD
I CANT TYPE RIGHT AHHHH
PLZ LET ME REVOKE THIS
I DIDNT WANT TO STEP ON DUNNS TOES AND ASKED THE PERSON I THOUGHT WAS SCUM

Fake.
Also had a strong tr on me and calls us scum MHM gamma those read progression is so real with you

Hello miss takes the offer all sudden-like

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Shadow you never answered my question
Who do you think is scum?
2 gentlemen
2 ladies
GO

[Gamma Emerald]

It was very clear I wanted to bias dance with shadow when he said he only wanted to dance with me
the offer wasn't sudden I wanted to make sure dunn got a partner because I had a tr on him and right when Kagami said yes I did aswell

mkay

[Gamma Emerald]

I love how he instantly drops the convo because I just proved his ass wrong

I can always read gamma right i haven't been wrong once and he's S C U M

Prepare for your record to be broken

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not sure who is scum with you Gamma.

Yeah okay Shadow is scum
If he was town he'd have IDd someone else as scum by now, instead he sticks to tunneling me

[Gamma Emerald]

How do yall feel about ser/inspec slot I'd prob lynch that also atm

Mkay
As soon as I get a hold of the situation Maria shifts off of me
Totally town-motivated

[Gamma Emerald]

BTW Ser feels null scum while IS feels leantown
Would not lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo shadow, don't bail
If you're really town don't fold like this

[Gamma Emerald]

Shadow says he agrees with Jester on the setup spec case
but also says he SRed Cerb for trying to pair with the IC
one second

[Gamma Emerald]

Slip? ? ? You're talking to her like she's town and wrong there

Yeah I realized that mistake and IDGAF
I was trying to bait her for a reaction anyways

[Gamma Emerald]

Slip? ? ? You're talking to her like she's town and wrong there

Yeah I realized that mistake and IDGAF
I was trying to bait her for a reaction anyways

Did you realize the mistake afterwards, or were you trying to bait for a reaction? It can't be both

Trying to bait for reaction
Why do you think I got all cheeky with the picture

[Gamma Emerald]

Parama you're missing the fact I think maria is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

@vedith: you called for popular reads?

Since when we're Dunn Kagami popular null reads and Gamma popular town lean?

Gratz on finding the odd ones out.

Now look at the others.

sup, this is literally what you did.

Scout is just forming reads where popular demand are.
He's making a lot less effort than I've seen in him previously and I just have that tingle.

Call it popular demand
Or call it truth

I think you and shadow are town though, and I dont think both are common reads.
You just had to pair with scum...

why does vedith have to do it? you just disproved your own counterargument. either you and MDS are scummy for the same reason or neither of you are.

Basically it was more of a "I get scumread for this shit so what is this and isn't that scummy?"
But yeah w/e, you're right I guess

So like, jealousy
OK

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL these two going at it again

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL these two going at it again

?

You two went at it last game
It seems you're doing it again.

[Gamma Emerald]

gr8
I would have preferred she reacted to it naturally but you ruined it Dunnstral

[Gamma Emerald]

Also
Why are you so scared of getting lynched MariaR? Earlier you were like "I'll just pair with someone scummy so I won't have to suck this game" and suddenly you fear for your life.

[Gamma Emerald]

If anyone on the shadow wagon tr's me Get OFF IT
based on our PT I am strongly sure shadow is town

elaborate

He's acting extremely geninune to me I know you guys find his tone annoying but he's never bitchy to me and he keeps on saying sorry that I'm gonna die because of him I strongly think he's being honest.

Okay so he's pocketing you
Maybe MariaR is town after all.

[Gamma Emerald]

I cannot see MariaR and ShadowStep being scum together after what she just said.

[Gamma Emerald]

My read on Vedith changed thanks to some of the stuff he said in the PT

[Gamma Emerald]

My read on Vedith changed thanks to some of the stuff he said in the PT

Like?

When I asked him about his Shadow read he said Parama may be right, then instantly put out a solid read on you
Also he threatened to vote our pair at one point, which is very unhelpful to a scum wincon

[Gamma Emerald]

Also he threatened to vote our pair at one point, which is very unhelpful to a scum wincon

i threaten to vote my pair

When he did it the Me/Vedith wagon was pretty high up there in support IIRC

[Gamma Emerald]

Vedith said my lack of participation in the PT was scummy and wasn't going to hold off his vote on me if he felt I was scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Someone commented about that earlier saying what I'm trying to say

[Gamma Emerald]

OK.
I still really want shadow/mariar gone, and if mariar flips town vedith/gamma are a great d2 lynch.

Wait what
Looking back I don't like this post
Only MariaR has to flip town to justify our lynch?
With my current reads this post feels scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I'm caught up now. Parama is still town, Gamma isn't a townlean anymore. I am totally lost on Shadow because I believe Maria and Jester about him, but I was so sure he was scum earlier that idk what to make of him now. I don't like some of the company on that wagon.

@Parama:

Sorry about being stupid earlier. I wasn't going to let Jester get away with it for long, I just really really wanted to play with him for a while. I actually think he's town now though. He made some really good posts in our PT and supported my decision to quit the dance if I thought it was the right thing to do.

@Dunn:

Have you heard back from Kagami yet?

New developments on the Shadow front:
He blew me off when I asked for 2 scumreads from each group and said he couldn't think of anyone who would be scum with me. I feel that indicates A) he's not actually trying to scumhunt and B) he doesn't want to give reads for some reason, likely to avoid giving away his buddies
MariaR claims Shadow has been extremely nice to her in the PT, which makes me think Shadow is scum trying to pocket MariaR

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Parama
Ask HS about associations with Shadow will ya?

[Gamma Emerald]

OK.
I still really want shadow/mariar gone, and if mariar flips town vedith/gamma are a great d2 lynch.

Wait what
Looking back I don't like this post
Only MariaR has to flip town to justify our lynch?
With my current reads this post feels scummy

@HS: I find this post iffy because you only state associations from MariaR's flip

[Gamma Emerald]

Gonna zzz now

[Gamma Emerald]

@Shadow: Besides me, who do you think is scum? And I don't want a cop out this time.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah what gamma said

Who do you think the scummiest person on your wagon is and why?

Not just that, the scummiest people in general is what I'm asking.

[Gamma Emerald]

I honestly don't know if Parama is stubborn town/scum.
I've used this tunneling tactic as scum a LOT. You don't have to do anything other than scream that player to be lynched and its good way to contribute without actually contributing. So I'm unsure.
I don't think town is being misled by scum into lynching me. I think scum are pretty happy sitting back either staying away from my wagon or have just got on it .

Question: why do you say this and think I'm scum
I've been trying to lynch you all day

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma you are trying to lynch me to save your ass not because you SR me.

So you DON'T SR me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well it might go away if you gave some solid reads

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma you are trying to lynch me to save your ass not because you SR me.

So you DON'T SR me?

I do, but you are not a major pusher of my wagon. You are happy just screaming lynch Shadow in the background and after I'll flip town you'll let HS and Parama take the fall for it.

No I'd actually be more inclined to lynch them if you flip SCUM based on my current reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma you are trying to lynch me to save your ass not because you SR me.

So you DON'T SR me?

I do, but you are not a major pusher of my wagon. You are happy just screaming lynch Shadow in the background and after I'll flip town you'll let HS and Parama take the fall for it.

No I'd actually be more inclined to lynch them if you flip SCUM based on my current reads.

LOL
Please tell me this is a joke. You can't be serious. I'm definitely not so good at distancing.

It's HS's actions that make me say this

[Gamma Emerald]

OK.
I still really want shadow/mariar gone, and if mariar flips town vedith/gamma are a great d2 lynch.

This.
NO MENTION of what happens upon what Shadow flips, just "if MariaR is town I'm lynching this pair". Since I read Shadow as scum and MariaR as town due to PT interactions claimed by Maria, this post is very fishy to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like seriously gamma look at how I interacted w/ Vedith earlier, if I was scum and shadow was scum there is no way I wouldn't switch to pushing the Vedith lynch.

I don't believe you. You could bud your buddy for towncred and then use the connected town flip to lynch me and Vedith.

[Gamma Emerald]

What PT interactions ?
Maria and I have a totally different, great vibe. There is no scum benefit in pocketing her. She's not so dumb to not tell the difference.

OF COURSE there's scum benefit in pocketing her, she is STAUNCHLY AGAINST your lynch.

[Gamma Emerald]

The most condemning thing for Shadow IMO is his unwillingness to give more reads than 1 or 2. It demonstrates he's in a deathtunnel, and is likely trying to avoid giving reads on his buddies. I know Shadow is good at finding scum as town so he should be able to give some other reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

@HS you are wrong about the fact that scum don't need to read the thread. It is the complete opposite. I as scum would prefer a game with minimal posts than town hyper posting. If you don't read the thread you'll slip and scum can't afford that.

All of SAD's complaints about not wanting to read the thread because it is too much garbage feels fake as fuck.

Why are you saying this NOW?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean as opposed to when SHE FIRST POSTED THE THING ABOUT SCUM NOT READING.

[Gamma Emerald]

mhs = mhsmith

[Gamma Emerald]

@Dunn
Scum had daytalk in the Autumn Masquerade (pretty much required with the nightless aspect)

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you abuse the up arrow emoji Vedith

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I'm pretty sure it has been said already
But if Shadow/Maria are both town Kagami is probably scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I'm pretty sure it has been said already
But if Shadow/Maria are both town Kagami is probably scum

If they are both town, you're scum.
Stop trying to push else where

zzz stop being bad
I don't SR you but you keep thinking in absolutes
stop

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo
Do we still need death if both Shadow and HS flip scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo
Do we still need death if both Shadow and HS flip scum?

I have not thought about that at all. if you want me to comment on this, you'll need to walk me through what your argument here is.

ftr, I have HS as town.

First is the fact I SR Shadow because his method of play doesn't feel like he is town, especially his aversion to giving solid reads. I see some, but it's scattered and hard to analyze.
Then there's the fact Maria states Shadow has been really nice and apologetic in the PT. Scum don't need to do this with scumbuddies so I think Maria is town
Then there's HS's "if Maria flips town GE/Vedith should go". She only mentions Maria's alignment there, and it makes me think she's setting my pair up to take the fall after a Shadow + Maria flip
So if both Shadow and HS flip scum, there should be no doubt my pair is town based on how they set us up.

[Gamma Emerald]

meh, sounds like we're on the same page.

should I switch over to GE?

also, does this include Parama? I don't seem to remember you having a scum read on them.

I think Parama is town based on how she is pushing Shadow

[Gamma Emerald]

My reads are determined around what I currently think
I think Shadow is scum and Maria is town, structuring some of my other reads
Don't like how you're talking down all of us

[Gamma Emerald]

Not everyone plays by scumhunting some play by townhunting

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum Meter
Nahdia
Human Sequencer
pieguyn
Cerberus
Parama
Gamma Emerald
MariaR
Ser Arthur Dayne
Vedith
Jester
inspectorscout
mhsmith0
Dunnstral
Kagami
Shadow_step

town

|

~town

|

null

|

~scum

|

scum

You can't tell me this equates to no reads

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh right I also wanted to see what people thought of these gamma posts I saw yesterday during ISO. They're just extremely weird and I don't know what to make of them:

Scum may know everyone's alignment, but they need to know what the popular opinion is and what not, so they still need to read. What you can do is see who says "I don't wanna read" and yet demonstrates an understanding of in-game events. This likely means they are getting told what is going on in daychat.
I know not all games have daychat, but specifically for this setup, I feel that point is relevant.

One of my preferred scumhunting methods is watching people interact with confirmed town. Scum will try to discredit them any way they can.

I have no idea what he's trying to say here. It feels like he's trying to throw shade in an extremely off-handed and non committed way but like... they feel so detached.

First post was me correcting a generalistic philosophy
Second post was me suggesting a scumhunting tool I figured out from my own scumplay

[Gamma Emerald]

1) I felt it was imperative to correct that because HS seemed to rely on it a bit much
2) I'm p sure someone did that by then or some point in the game

[Gamma Emerald]

It was the mhsmith/IS argument that made me think of that
Not really scumreading either (smith is null, IS is leantown), but I felt it was relevant

[Gamma Emerald]

1) I felt it was imperative to correct that because HS seemed to rely on it a bit much
2) I'm p sure someone did that by then or some point in the game

1. I don't feel HS was relying on it "a bit much" at all? It felt like an off-handed comment by her.
2. ??? Who? And if so why don't you have a stronger scumread on them if it's one of your strong scumtells? Esp because you just pointed out to me you think Maria is town and Shadow is scum (so I'm gonna guess you have no more ~strong~ reads).

Pedit: Ugh this is what I mean they felt so detached from reality like they didn't look like you believed in them as much as them saying "hey guys look I have these ~tools~ that I am using to catch ~scum~".

Yeah I'll admit I came out with the second one too soon
I just threw it up when I felt like being a smartass
blech

[Gamma Emerald]

I think we should just flip a scummo and work from there.

As in a scumread or get a scumflip?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo
Do we still need death if both Shadow and HS flip scum?

I have not thought about that at all. if you want me to comment on this, you'll need to walk me through what your argument here is.

ftr, I have HS as town.

First is the fact I SR Shadow because his method of play doesn't feel like he is town, especially his aversion to giving solid reads. I see some, but it's scattered and hard to analyze.
Then there's the fact Maria states Shadow has been really nice and apologetic in the PT. Scum don't need to do this with scumbuddies so I think Maria is town
Then there's HS's "if Maria flips town GE/Vedith should go". She only mentions Maria's alignment there, and it makes me think she's setting my pair up to take the fall after a Shadow + Maria flip
So if both Shadow and HS flip scum, there should be no doubt my pair is town based on how they set us up.

All your reasons to town read Maria are bullshit. Esp this one where aren'r even considering that both Maria and I are scum. So Maria can say whatever the heck she wants in the thread about what's happening in the PT.

If you town read Maria so much you'd be trying to convince your partner Vedith that she is town. Which you haven't done at all.

Gamma needs rope.

This guy can't read I said you can't be scum together because why the fuck would you buddy up to her like that if you were both scum?
And I still think you're scum Shadow, so as long as Vedith votes the way that gets you lynched I have no qualms with his actual reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, people keep agonizing about "I want to lynch X but Y is their partner and they're so town!"
I don't give a flying fuck if it's a scumread and a nullread or a scumread and a townread, I'm here to lynch scum, sorry if casualties are necessary

[Gamma Emerald]

Obviously the risk there is that people WON'T be able to come to accords adn we'll end up losing because town can't get their shit together and agree on a lynch.

This is my main issue. With how the dynamic between me/Vedith and MariaR/ShadowStep is, lynching in first dance IS in our best interest so we can sort some slots before we enter the crunch time of second dance.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo
Do we still need death if both Shadow and HS flip scum?

I have not thought about that at all. if you want me to comment on this, you'll need to walk me through what your argument here is.

ftr, I have HS as town.

First is the fact I SR Shadow because his method of play doesn't feel like he is town, especially his aversion to giving solid reads. I see some, but it's scattered and hard to analyze.
Then there's the fact Maria states Shadow has been really nice and apologetic in the PT. Scum don't need to do this with scumbuddies so I think Maria is town
Then there's HS's "if Maria flips town GE/Vedith should go". She only mentions Maria's alignment there, and it makes me think she's setting my pair up to take the fall after a Shadow + Maria flip
So if both Shadow and HS flip scum, there should be no doubt my pair is town based on how they set us up.

All your reasons to town read Maria are bullshit. Esp this one where aren'r even considering that both Maria and I are scum. So Maria can say whatever the heck she wants in the thread about what's happening in the PT.

If you town read Maria so much you'd be trying to convince your partner Vedith that she is town. Which you haven't done at all.

Gamma needs rope.

This guy can't read I said you can't be scum together because why the fuck would you buddy up to her like that if you were both scum?
And I still think you're scum Shadow, so as long as Vedith votes the way that gets you lynched I have no qualms with his actual reads.

You can't read you blithering idiot. Who told you that Maria is telling the truth?

The only way she could be lying was if you were both scum, but if you were both scum SURELY there's better lies to tell, like "he's scumhunting in there"

[Gamma Emerald]

@Cerberus
We accually have been scumhunting (mind you him a lot more then me) but I plan to give a full reads list before the lynch is set in stone even if that means us

Explain further

[Gamma Emerald]

"Why would you buddy up to her if you both are scum?"

If we both are scum how can hell can you think Maria is telling the truth about what is happening in our PT. Maria can say anything she wants in that case.

Conclusion - scum mindset, gamma scum

As I said, better lies to tell. What she said before implied you weren't scum together, I decided that from how she described it it sounded like pocketing
It's the mindset of "What is Shadow trying to accomplish? He's likely trying to make her like him so she'll defend him."

[Gamma Emerald]

@Cerberus
We accually have been scumhunting (mind you him a lot more then me) but I plan to give a full reads list before the lynch is set in stone even if that means us

Explain further

What's there to explain?
What do you not get about this post o-o

Like
How long has this been going on? When I initial asked him for scumreads, he blew me off. As town, I'd think he'd have the ability to realize it wasn't just a thing for me, it was so everyone could get a grasp of his thought process

[Gamma Emerald]

Someone ekse addressed the fact Shadow is good at catching scum as town, so I decide to ask him for scumreads because while I did have a strong scumread on him I wanted to give him an opportunity to prove he was town. Instead he just gets upset at me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Someone ekse addressed the fact Shadow is good at catching scum as town, so I decide to ask him for scumreads because while I did have a strong scumread on him I wanted to give him an opportunity to prove he was town. Instead he just gets upset at me.

Already done. To which you said. Meh its scattered and impossible to understand or something like that. So it doesn't matter what I do you've just decided to SR me to save your ass.

I asked you "2 scumreads in the gentlemen and ladies". I wanted CONCISION.

[Gamma Emerald]

"Why would you buddy up to her if you both are scum?"

If we both are scum how can hell can you think Maria is telling the truth about what is happening in our PT. Maria can say anything she wants in that case.

Conclusion - scum mindset, gamma scum

As I said, better lies to tell. What she said before implied you weren't scum together, I decided that from how she described it it sounded like pocketing
It's the mindset of "What is Shadow trying to accomplish? He's likely trying to make her like him so she'll defend him."

Let me tell you something. Maria already likes me.
The fact that you didn't consider what I said earlier makes you likely scum because you are looking for any reason town read people. What exactly is point of this town read anyway? To show that you are "doing something".

You've got to make her keep liking you though. I got flack from my partner for neglecting the PT. I'm fairly certain she would have done the same.
@MariaR: what is the actual substance of the scumhunting in your PT?

[Gamma Emerald]

although scum me would 100% pair with smith or gamma

although scum me would 100% pair with smith or gamma

Or me if you wanted to win as scum y'know

real talk

Oh hell no I'd be scared af to go dance with you if I was scum cause I'd think you'd figure me out by comparing dances
Smith and gamma are easy to manipulate...dam why do I have a scum plan yet no town plan
*rechecks role pm*

thoughts smith?

Why are you asking his opinion on two of your WIFOMiest posts

[Gamma Emerald]

HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE
You say you have Vedith town me scum, and IS and SAD as both scummy
Are you that sure I'm scum you won't vote the pair you seem more scum in?

[Gamma Emerald]

HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE
You say you have Vedith town me scum, and IS and SAD as both scummy
Are you that sure I'm scum you won't vote the pair you seem more scum in?

@shadow

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so you'll push me because I'm more likely to happen
Feels like counterwagoning

[Gamma Emerald]

Maria TRs Dunnstral. I'm not so confident about him. Dunn is more townier when he is scum and his scum game is reading everyone as town(exaggeration. Try to get the point). This is from my exp with him.

I've played with wolf!Dunn once and it was while he was still doing his hyperaggressive/spammy playstyle, so was kinda hard to read (wolves swept ). i don't think I have a great meta on him, was null on him in that one and was kinda null on him in recent game when he was a mason.

I have one game where he was scum, dude had some opportunistic votes and I IDd him as a mafia, but got lynched D1 and the little twerp got everyone to ignore my points on him.

[Gamma Emerald]

I may try to structure a tierlist of groups from "want to lynch least" to "want to lynch most" in like the next hour

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright, I'm down for dunn. [unofficial]

ok,

Accept Dunn.

This should be interesting.

Grand total of 3 minutes to decide.

Actually I kinda want to know from all the ladies who didn't talk about it ITT:

What made you accept your partners, both in terms of who you picked and when (especially those that made a relatively quick choice)?

This should be fun.
I asked Vedith why he didn't hold out for Shadow and he said Parama had a point. Still doesn't fully explain him picking me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Another interesting thing is Gamma didn't ask Kagami who was available at that time and went with Vedith instead. Now idk if he thought that Kagami would reject him and he just desperately wanted a partner. Or it's kagami/gamma/x

I did a mental coin flip pretty much
I didn't remember one of them was a scumread, but the best part is that having him in my PT made it easier to read him, which works out perfectly

[Gamma Emerald]

And I wouldn't have had a chance with anyone else at that point: Dunn and Kagami was pretty much decided, and Maria wasn't having me

[Gamma Emerald]

btw, on my end I picked pie because she's a veteran and seemingly competent player and I thought it'd be interesting to chat w her. Not sure why she picked me yet tho.

If Maria wasn't playing. I'd pick pie for the same reason.

Why'd you pick her then?

[Gamma Emerald]

What specifically: did you just want to play a game with her?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hydra practice

Already said this

So you intend on making a hydra with MariaR
good to know

[Gamma Emerald]

My list I promised
Cerberus v666 - Nahdia: team is literally conftown, never lynch
Gamma Emerald - Vedith: really confident in Vedith being town, and of course I am. Only team that surpasses us is of course Nahdia's
The_Jester - MiniDeathStar: This pair feels like that *extra* scumread people have to round uot their list. Lots of shade has been thrown here, specifically at TheJester. Thinking it's town.
mhsmith0 - pieguyn: This one is just a flat null. Neither has really left a lasting impression on me yet.
Ser Arthur Dayne - inspectorscout: kinda the "blind spot scum" pair. SAD is a nullscum, IS is a townlean
Dunnstral - Kagami: Kegami's flip-flopping is not good at all. Dunn is a townread though.
Human Sequencer - Parama: If Shadow isn't happening, this is DEFINITELY my next pick. If HS flips scum, Shadow is likely scum, if Parama flips scum, Shadow is probably town. Very informarionally rich.
Shadow_step - MariaR: I've pretty much hashed out all of my thoughts here. You'd have to have REALLY skimmed to have not seen it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, so I think everyone more or less agrees that there is scum some what with me/Shadow/Maria/Gamma.
Here's my idea.

Me and Gamma leave, if both town lynch Maria / Shadow. If Gamma flips scum, then I feel less confident on Maria/Shadow scum as there would be no reason for Gamma to also push that pair.
From there, we can actually work to Dunn's reads imo.

NOONE LEAVES
EVER

[Gamma Emerald]

@everyone:

If Jester and I are both town, who do you think is the scum?

I think you're town but I've been ignoring a lot of what jester says because it seems like you're speaking for him and he's not doing much

let me look at the list

Already discussed

[Gamma Emerald]

I townread the Jester MDS pair so
My reads involve them being Town, no need to answer a question whose answer should be self evident

[Gamma Emerald]

Also if me/Vedith/Shadow/Maria all flip town, look at people like Kagami who were votehopping with very little logic

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright, I'm down for dunn. [unofficial]

ok,

Accept Dunn.

This should be interesting.

Grand total of 3 minutes to decide.

Actually I kinda want to know from all the ladies who didn't talk about it ITT:

What made you accept your partners, both in terms of who you picked and when (especially those that made a relatively quick choice)?

Vedith you should answer this.

[Gamma Emerald]

@MDS
Kagami's flip-flopping may be indicative of me/Vedith/Maria/Shadow being Town
If so I'd also expect one of HS/Parama to be scum
I may just need HS/Parama to flip because so many scenarios involve scum in that pair

[Gamma Emerald]

Edit
Indicative of that IF KAGAMI FLIPS SCUM

[Gamma Emerald]

'If so I'd also expect one of HS/Parama to be scum
I may just need HS/Parama to flip because so many scenarios involve scum in that pair'
Throw shade a little harder next time, we're town

'I'm just concerned that my reads are probably going to be ignored later on.'
If you are town I will absolutely use your reads post-flip.

I suggest that because I don't want to be basing everything on assumptions, which is what I'm doing when I analyze things based on your pair.

[Gamma Emerald]

Make sure you get your last thoughts and reads out, Gamma.

WE ARE NOT LEAVING YET
HAVE YOU NOT READ THAT IT'S BETTER TO BE LYNCHED?
AND I DON'T LIKE THE DICHOTOMY WE'RE CURRENTLY IN

[Gamma Emerald]

Let me state this: LEAVING IS EQUIVALENT TO SELF VOTING
EXCEPT IT'S NOT AS USEFUL FOR SCUM TO DO SO
STILL, DON'T LEAVE

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually now that I think about it, leaving means people don't get towncred for being on your wagon if you are scum