Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]
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Ankamius Survivor
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roleblock situation: it was just confirmed to me that i was absolutely not roleblocked on night 3, in case that was in doubt
Almost: okay. though i had a second question. ;> who are the scum?
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I did. PV usually lurks out and when he does post he says nothing useful. That applies to him as EITHER alignment, btw. Here he is actually posting regularly (hasn't even been prodded once!!) and his posts actually have content, which only applies to Town PV and ONLY when he IS interested in playing the game. I can't see him being scum here at all.In post 6599, Nahdia wrote:Almost50, can you elaborate on your PeregrineV read?
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Nahdia They/ThemScheherazadeThey/Them
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I'm going to start scumhunting. I'm writing down thoughts as they come to me.
I think Ankamius is town from the way they behaved around the Shiro guilty. The way they came out in Shiro's defense about the specifics of their miller role felt esp genuine to me.
I agree with Mathblade's (?) assessment on Pine's slot for now; Andrius and now Pine are likely SK if scum, not groupscum. The way they've been adamant about hunting group scum and their attitude in general has been really hard to fake. I doubt it's fake. If they somehow are an SK, we're looking at some sort of trading back and forth of nightkills odd & even nights or something like that. Not willing to run that slot up for now.
I went back and forth on Creature but I did end on thinking they're town, and I've liked Mathblade so far. Happy with that slot.
Almost50's paranoia of me in particular as well as their active role in parsing information has been towny to me, even if you want to debate about how useful any of this spec has been.
Not Chara... I don't know. I don't like how it has faded away from the center of attention as the game has gone on, despite not seeming to be affected by the prevailing mood of dwindling hope for this game. I also didn't like how it made two statements in a row that were basically shots at me then wouldn't own it when I called it out. If it had just said "Yeah, I'm turning the heat up on you" that would be fine, but instead it ducked. I did however see more town motivation than scum motivation in questioning why I'm apparently not doubting their claim that it wasn't roleblocked Night 3 (to answer that; I'm just working with the information I've been given and laying everything out. Considering the possibilities of lies everywhere is the next stage.)
PeregrineV, I need Almost50 to lay out the reasons to townread that slot. Because I want it dead. It wigged me out how their participation has been fairly meager but they noticed something I didn't (Giovanni's follower claim). Yes, it's perfectly possible PeregrineV just did in fact noticed that and remembered it, but my immediate thought was more "he's in a scum thread that's been organizing all their information internally, as I would be doing frantically in this situation". I don't like that he just jumps in to correct me but doesn't have anything else to say. In fact, looking at his ISO lately, it's been a lot of mechposting.
Ok uh, I know I said this is scumhunting and not info posting but I'm remembering this and I want to highlight it in case anyone missed it. This is information that needs to be highlighted.
1) Narna claims Shiro was guilty on their psychologist check but that millers would not appear guilty, according to Skullduggery. Shiro was a normal miller, and Narna can't have been driven.
2) Maxous claims they roleblocked me Night 2. The person I jailed (massive) claims they weren't blocked. However, Giovanni when following them got that either Maxous did nothing or his action didn't go through. This means either Maxous isn't cleared by Giovanni's check at all, or Maxous' action was obfuscated. My inclination is that Giovanni was roleblocked.
On Maxous... I dunno. I was townreading them a lot even before Giovanni "cleared" them. Also the fact that their roleblocker claim was verified early day 2, just doesn't feel like how scum would play it, especially considering there have been weird roleblocks going around that aren't explained.
P-Edit: Ooookay.... I guess whatever. I'll leave him alone for now.we're all made of stories | remember to take your b12 | sign up for a GTKAS thread! (request access here)
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The Andrius slot
The fuck?In post 6543, Almost50 wrote:
SirCakezis SCUM. At one point he was fabricating evidence on Pepto/Narna. I wasn't even town-reading Narna at that time, but the push was very much forced with circumstantial evidence. (Don't ask for explanations. ISO Cakez instead, please).
What evidence?
NoIn post 6596, Ankamius wrote:Sircakez: Were you added to the neighborhood on night 4?
I am not unvoting narna until I get an explanation on how his "guilty" was townBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Not Chara Mafia Scum
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Giovanni: ask Skullduggery about your possibly being roleblocked. if you're an investigative, you should know whether you were roleblocked, or if your target simply did nothing.-
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Nahdia They/ThemScheherazadeThey/Them
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This seems like an impossible situation. Narna can't have gotten that result on Shiro unless Shiro was targeted by a super framer. But Giovanni didn't die visiting Narna, and actually confirms they got a result on Narna.
I dunno. Maybe someone was doctoring Giovanni. Maybe Narna is a reflexive doctor, or a super godfather, or maybe Giovanni is scum with Narna. I really don't see Giovanni as a possibility for scum.
I'm worried. BigYoshiFan pulled "5 scum" out of his ass or something and now it's occurring to me if that's actually the case, this is our last mislynch. After that, it's possible mylo if nothing changes. We need to start getting this right, dammit.
Giovanni saw Narna using an investigative action. Narna does have some sort of investigative role, unless Giovanni is scum. That's worth noting, I think.
I'm seriously frying here. Feels like my brain is a god damn hamster wheel and the hamster just keeled over and died.we're all made of stories | remember to take your b12 | sign up for a GTKAS thread! (request access here)
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what do you mean 'hasn't been affected by the mood of the game', Nahdia? besides Andrius, who here is reacting strongly or with hopelessness, and where do you get the feeling that i'm not as without direction as you seem to be?
i'm just wondering how you got that impression. or why i should have reacted by saying i was turning the heat up on you, or something, when i wasn't doing that in the first place? i was wrong on both counts after i asked about it, so it would of course have amounted to nothing.-
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In post 6606, Nahdia wrote:This seems like an impossible situation. Narna can't have gotten that result on Shiro unless Shiro was targeted by a super framer. But Giovanni didn't die visiting Narna, and actually confirms they got a result on Narna.
I dunno. Maybe someone was doctoring Giovanni. Maybe Narna is a reflexive doctor, or a super godfather, or maybe Giovanni is scum with Narna. I really don't see Giovanni as a possibility for scum.
I'm worried. BigYoshiFan pulled "5 scum" out of his ass or something and now it's occurring to me if that's actually the case, this is our last mislynch. After that, it's possible mylo if nothing changes. We need to start getting this right, dammit.
Giovanni saw Narna using an investigative action. Narna does have some sort of investigative role, unless Giovanni is scum. That's worth noting, I think.
I'm seriously frying here. Feels like my brain is a god damn hamster wheel and the hamster just keeled over and died.
I just got home. I will try performing CPR in a bit on your hamster. For now just ISO. Read people without the mechanics. What does that tell you?-
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Ankamius Survivor
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SirCakez for starters. Someone in the neighbourhood is most likely, and SC was OT RB'd but claims to be is my best guess.In post 6601, Not Chara wrote:Almost: okay. though i had a second question. ;> who are the scum?
It is hard though to have assertive reads when all the flips we've seen were Town. We have the mod assertion there IS a non-Town aligned faction though, and I can't see that being a single person nor even a duo due to the sheer size of the game, so I\m still expecting 4-5 of them.
In the neighbourhood I'm leaning the recruiter themselves. That would help scum hide and extract the info from unaware town members who get neighbourized, though I wouldn't be too surprised if Pine (Andrius) also flipped red now that I think about it. I mean, FB neighbourizes Titus but can't extract the info from her so he invites his scum buddy to do it, and then they decide to bring in Shiro. Shiro leaks the info about SC's role, and he gets lynched NOT for the info, but for confirming he knew bits of the role. SC could still be scum in this scenario, and while Shiro's partial info got buried with him something Titus might've caught on (even as meaningless as she stating that if X then Y) gets her NK'd, and Cakez claims to have been RB'd to be excluded from being the killer himself.
By now I know it sounds circumstantial, so we do need a RED FLIP to start connecting the dots.
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Again, I asked Skullduggery about the result I got when I targeted Maxous on night 2 the moment I received the result and I was replied that the answer I received is intentionaly not clear. It could mean that he didn't target anyone or that my action failed.In post 6605, Not Chara wrote:Giovanni: ask Skullduggery about your possibly being roleblocked. if you're an investigative, you should know whether you were roleblocked, or if your target simply did nothing.
Since Maxous (who claims roleblocker) claimed to have targeted Nahdia Night 2, and massive (the person who Nahdia claimed to have jailed during Night 2) claimed that he performed his night action normally despite Nahdia targetting him, then it is more logical that someone targeted me that made me lose my target (re-targeting, blocking, I don't know).-
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Ankamius Survivor
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Ank still working on my notes. Explain your miller, hated, and benefits from hammering please. I know you did just please do it again.In post 6612, Ankamius wrote:So basically, now we can't assume Giovanni's innocents are accurate either.-
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Specifically more details than this.In post 126, Ankamius wrote:I forgot about this before because of the delay, butmy role has several different states it can have, and both Miller and Hated are part of those states.
By the same token, my role benefits from being on lynch wagons and hammering, so please be aware of this.-
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Giovanni il Pellegrino Goon
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Maxous, no, for reasons stated.
As I said, I got an investigative result on Narna. and I believe that it is genuine:
-We haven't had hints of a re-directing role or a bus driver, yet. Also, I would have to be redirected to someone who was performing as well an investigative action, as to appear that Narna is performing an investigative action.
-I didn't breadcrumb at all who I would target. Scum had no way of knowing that I would go balls to the wall and target the player most likely to get lynched. I think that since I played it safe on Night 2, there was no reason not to play it safe again.-
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Specifically why did you not try to get benefits here?In post 3419, Skullduggery wrote:Day 1, Final Vote Count:
(2)zakk -- MagnaofIllusion, massive
(0)SirCakez
(0)Yume
(0)Maxous
(0)Creature
(0)PeregrineV
(1)Titus -- SnarkySnowman
(1)Shiro -- Titus
(12)MagnaofIllusion -- zakk, Nahdia, Not Chara, Narna, Firebringer, Maxous, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu, SirCakez, Leonshade, Shiro
(0)Nosferatu
(1)Nahdia -- Yume
(0)Firebringer
(0)Not Chara
(0)Ankamius
(0)SlySly
(0)McMenno
(0)SnarkySnowman
(3)Narna -- McMenno, Andrius, Ankamius
(0)Gamma Emerald
(0)Leonshade
(0)Andrius
(0)massive
Not Voting:SlySly, PeregrineV
With 22 votes available, it took 12 votes to hammer.
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Ankamius Survivor
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My role is divided into a bunch of separate states, one of which is active at any one time. Some of my states have the "miller" modifier. Some of my states have the "hated" modifier.
I move states by either being on a wagon that is lynched, or hammering a player. Hammering a player advances me through more states than being on a lynch wagon.
Naturally, because I have negative effects of my roleandI don't initially have any of those negative statesandI have a relatively large amount of states, the powers I gain over time are strong as fuck to balance them out.-
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Ankamius Survivor
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That is actually IMHO incorrect.In post 5978, Ankamius wrote:To everyone else: either you think Narna is scum, or you think both Shiro and I are scum.
There iszeroroom for error in this.
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