Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[BigYoshiFan]

Thanks for the warming welcome

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm ISO'ing you first

[BigYoshiFan]

Alright, give me a second. Is there anything important that you could tell me right now such as claims or suspected roles or... anything.

[BigYoshiFan]

Does Dead Thread transporter mean he can transport even when he's dead?

[BigYoshiFan]

Those roles you gave me, do those include modifiers or did none of them include one. If not, I would suggest they claim whether they are full or modified roles now.

[BigYoshiFan]

Is it bad I'm only on page 20?

[BigYoshiFan]

Dear lord, I'm only 10% through. Are there any parts worth skipping?

[BigYoshiFan]

D1 is pretty solid.
The lynch was terrible.
D2 is all trash ignore it all.
D3 is good through the Govern.
Then it just idles for the next 10 days until deadline.

D1 most important.
IMO, D3 until the govern is the other big part.

Alright, I'll read (or at least skim through) those parts.

[BigYoshiFan]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, back the truck up.
Can someone explain what's happening?

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Shiro
Seems like solid reasoning to me.

[BigYoshiFan]

Good point.

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay, I'm taking a break after reading up to page 30.
Here's where I am:
Town - Maxous
Lean Town - SirCakez, Creature, House, Blade Dancer, Giga
Lean Scum - Not Chara, Ankamius, Accountant
Scum - Gamma Emerald and Pepto
Everyone else is null

I doubt this read table matters given it's only based on the first 10% of the game but whatever.

[BigYoshiFan]

Assuming Shiro is scum, do you think they could be bussing Almost/Gamma? I never trusted that slot and I still don't.

[BigYoshiFan]

Also, did anyone object to their flavor claim? I don't think so and I'm not sure if I'd consider Asriel to be an evil role or a good role. Not Chara, your Undertale expertise is needed!

[BigYoshiFan]

Frankly I can see Narnascum bussing Shiroscum.
Which I am totally ok with because deadscum is deadscum.

But what about Almost/Gamma?

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay... also, is Narna a gunsmith? What are they?

[BigYoshiFan]

*facepalm*
I don't see that as a scum role unless it is multiball, which I doubt given the single kills each night.

[BigYoshiFan]

Hey Nahdia, have you revealed who you have jailed?

[BigYoshiFan]

Perhaps, but I think one of them would be town.

[BigYoshiFan]

Hey Nahdia, have you revealed who you have jailed?

zakk (I failed, obviously)

What do you mean?

[BigYoshiFan]

Found their scumbuddy.

[BigYoshiFan]

Oh my god can we just discuss on who is more likely the liar here?

[BigYoshiFan]

Do you honestly think everyone will agree to a draw? Also I don't think Skull would appreciate that the game ended into a draw given all of the effort that was put into making it.

[BigYoshiFan]

Everybody has been ignoring players like Titus, Almost50, Nahdia, SirCakez and Not Chara.

Personally I don't mind that at the moment because we know where scum lies. Coasting at this point is very scummy.

[BigYoshiFan]

given all of the effort that was put into making it.

What about the effort every single player put into playing it?

I mean... given all the players accept to end the game in a draw, that is their fault.

[BigYoshiFan]

Do you honestly think everyone will agree to a draw? Also I don't think Skull would appreciate that the game ended into a draw given all of the effort that was put into making it.

The game isn't made for moderator.
The game is made for players, moderator enjoyment is a secondary thing.
Anyways, how about instead of telling us why we should continue you participate in the normal game.
You literally appaered out of nowhere to tell us to continue playing when I can't name a single thing you have done all game.

Because unlike most people, I'm trying to bring conversation and, well, mafia.

[BigYoshiFan]

Look, we know where scum is so let's focus there.
I see no reason for scum to bus each other here given their favorable situation.
I don't think Psychologist or the flavor role Narna speaks would be given to mafia.
I think Narna has better convinced be of their investigative role than Shiro.
And overall, I just think Shiro looks more scummy.
My vote stays on Shiro.

[BigYoshiFan]

Narna will clear or confirm shiro alignment
VOTE: Narna

For record: This game is trash ; no offense mod

Shiro would clear Narna and massive

[BigYoshiFan]

Yoshi, why haven't you done jackcrap?

Uhmmmm, I'd like to disagree but go on.

[BigYoshiFan]

Narna townflip clears Shiro as scum and massive as town.

But we lose a psychologist. Who knows what Shiro's investigative role is (if they have one). Did they ever say?

[BigYoshiFan]

Firebringer, I'm curious. You said on Day 3 (I think) "I gave everyone the thing." Could you tell us what that meant now?

[BigYoshiFan]

I appreciate the real response. What's throwing me off, however, is that you said "everyone"

[BigYoshiFan]

That didn't help. You just came out of nowhere and said it and everyone passed it off as nothing.

[BigYoshiFan]

Is mafia neighborizer a thing?
Also, I'm still confused. I still don't understand the purpose of that post but I guess this is irrelevant for now unless someone wants to go out of their way to help me understand.

Also, is it weird shiro isn't voting Narna?
P-edit: Yup, exactly Creature

[BigYoshiFan]

Can you be neighborized while in jail?
Oh my gosh, sorry for all of these questions.

[BigYoshiFan]

Now I'm seeing the potential that they are both scum...
Narna isn't as aggressive towards Shiro that I think they would be if they actually had a guilty.
I don't know how Shiro thinks Narna could be town if they were lying.

Meh, I'll vote for either of them. I still prefer Shiro by a slight margin.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm still insistent on Shiro; however, when push comes to shove I will vote Narna.
I still don't think the role Narna described would be given to a mafia member and I don't think it's likely they are completely lying.
Town doesn't lose as much by lynching a miller with a weak investigative role (as Shiro makes it out to be) as compared to the role Narna describes.
I think for Narna to be mafia they have to be lying completely about their power role, which does leave room to consider for how much damage is done by keeping them alive.

[BigYoshiFan]

Can anyone direct me to where Narna first presented his guilty on Shiro?

[BigYoshiFan]

Thank you! And points for style in presenting a guilty. XD

[BigYoshiFan]

Re-reading through that just made me even happier to lynch either of them. I think that spot would be an important area to refer to when you want to analyze interactions.

[BigYoshiFan]

Anyone not voting Shiro or Narna is on my scumlist.

[BigYoshiFan]

Anyone not voting Shiro or Narna is on my scumlist.

So Shiro, yeah?

Yes, indeed. You, however, are an exception.

[BigYoshiFan]

Do we need a full-claim from Shiro or nah?

[BigYoshiFan]

*cringes*
I dunno what to do now. I always get this worried feeling right before lynches like this.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Narna

[BigYoshiFan]

Mafia Jailkeeper?
Very possible with this setup I would think.

[BigYoshiFan]

Did Titus ever reveal her investigative results explicitly?

[BigYoshiFan]

Well, we already know that. :/

[BigYoshiFan]

@Giovanni for this quote:

Spoiler:

Wait, wait, let's discuss what has just transpired. Lay down the pitchforks.

Why in hell would the scumteam kill Titus? It makes absolutely no. fucking. sense. She was been scumread and she would have been a prime lynch candidate even today. She could easily be the wagon opposite supposed scum!Narna.

Why Asriel Dreemurr is not attached to a scum role? Then who can be scum, flavor wise? Asgore I can get being Town, but why Asriel is not scum?

Titus was one of my neighbors.
That should explain a lot.

Anyone posting without a vote on Narna is claiming they are her scumbuddy.

How the fact that Titus was your neighbor is in any way relevant? How could scum know that she is your neighbor?

More importantly, I targeted Narna last night and got an investigative action result. Also, I am not dead.

You know Flowey, right? Asriel and Flowey, I think, are the same person. One is clearly evil and the other clearly good (as the game made out Asriel to be). This only occurred to me after reviewing some Undertale, and now I regret lynching Shiro for that flavor claim.
Correct me if I am wrong.

[BigYoshiFan]

No one cc'ed Shiro, and Asriel was probably a flavor in this game. And to my interpretation of Flowey and Asriel, Asriel is obviously town.
@Andrius Sorry, final post on flavor, I promise.

[BigYoshiFan]

Town is getting trolled. Nahdia is/was not able to kill a player.

explain your Shiro result.

Fuck if I know dude. Maybe I'm insane? It would explain my massive result.

You can't have a false role and Skull can't lie. I'm not sure there is anything you can say to stop your lynch.

[BigYoshiFan]

9 town vs 5 mafia (supposedly), and if Narna isn't a complete idiot false claiming a guilty as town, it should be 8 town vs 4 mafia the next day
We can still do this.

[BigYoshiFan]

Seriously, anyone who doesn't vote Narna in their first post of this day is scum.

[BigYoshiFan]

Narna, I want to believe you. I really do. Everything makes sense for your role to be town except for the guilty you presented on Shiro.
What happened? Why did you tell everyone about this "guilty"? What went wrong?

[BigYoshiFan]

It was probably maxous

[BigYoshiFan]

Narna, I want to believe you. I really do. Everything makes sense for your role to be town except for the guilty you presented on Shiro.
What happened? Why did you tell everyone about this "guilty"? What went wrong?

Because I had a guilty on him. As for what went wrong, he flipped town.

So... either there was a mod error, Shiro received some... entity, that allowed him to kill and he didn't mention it, or you're lying.

[BigYoshiFan]

Oh wait...

[BigYoshiFan]

Nahdia/Narna scumteam confirmed
Just kill 'em.

[BigYoshiFan]

Spoiler:

[BigYoshiFan]

Spoiler:

are you really feeling the effects of this game when you replaced Snarky? are you just jumping on the apathy bandwagon?

I just thought it would be funny.
But kinda feeling the effects, I'm torn on Narna.
I think the bus driver is a plausible theory, and my gut tells me Narna is town.

[BigYoshiFan]

didn't mean to quote that meant to quote

giovanni said they got an investigative result = not driven

They investigated Narna, yes?
Who's to say Shiro wasn't switched with someone who was mafia?

[BigYoshiFan]

didn't mean to quote that meant to quote

giovanni said they got an investigative result = not driven

They investigated Narna, yes?
Who's to say Shiro wasn't switched with someone who was mafia?

That is, when Narna investigated Shiro.

[BigYoshiFan]

why are so many people down to vote an inno

Because Narna literally lied about their role?

You brought up the bus driver possibility, do you think that that is a likely cause?

[BigYoshiFan]

Posting to say my vote is effectively on Narna and I'm going to insist on hammering.

Fair :/
What do you think are the chances of there being a bus driver?

[BigYoshiFan]

I'll believe there's a bus driver when I see it.

I'm unimpressed with all the innocent results going around. I'm almost certain one is a lie.

Narna is very likely scum.
Nahdia is very likely scum.
Almost50 is very likely scum.
Maxous is likely scum.
Massive is likely scum.
Giovanni is likely scum.
Not Chara is likely scum.

That leaves (Sircakez, Creature, PeregrineV, Firebinger, BigYoshiFan, Andrius) as my townlist for right now.

These reads have the Yoshi seal of approval.

[BigYoshiFan]

Well, except Narna.

[BigYoshiFan]

There are supposedly 5 mafia. He named seven people and he didn't even call them all as definitely scum.

[BigYoshiFan]

I thought I heard it from somewhere. It's an assumption. Wanna argue over that, because I don't.
Don't you even start calling me scum for assuming/supposedly knowing the number of scum members.

[BigYoshiFan]

Nahdia is next regardless of Narna's lynch.

[BigYoshiFan]

Nevermind, Nahdia is fine.
I'm not convinced that Narna is mafia however.
UNVOTE: Narna

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm thinking, based on the specific wording of Giovanni's ability, we might have a possibility. If his ability only registers on players who are "mafia", what if the mafia faction is called something else? Titus had a useless role, so it's not exactly a crazy notion.

who is hayley williams?

the singer for Paramore.

Why give someone a modifier like weak if it doesn't do anything?

[BigYoshiFan]

Nevermind, Nahdia is fine.
I'm not convinced that Narna is mafia however.
UNVOTE: Narna

i will shout you down, get your vote back on narna before i flood this thread.

Do it, I will fight to keep Narna alive (until I'm convinced they are mafia again)

[BigYoshiFan]

Nahdia's response to my scumlist is one of the scummiest things in the entire thread.

Agreed, but they made up for it afterwards I'd say.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm thinking, based on the specific wording of Giovanni's ability, we might have a possibility. If his ability only registers on players who are "mafia", what if the mafia faction is called something else? Titus had a useless role, so it's not exactly a crazy notion.

who is hayley williams?

the singer for Paramore.

Why give someone a modifier like weak if it doesn't do anything?

1) This is a bastard game.
2) Titus was a vanilla cop and this is role madness.

A vanilla cop can still have a use. Role madness doesn't mean everyone has a PR.
A useless modifier like the one you are suggesting is just plain stupid.

[BigYoshiFan]

Get ready for the "I told you so."

[BigYoshiFan]

I think I'd rather lynch A50 over Nahdia, regardless of Narna's flip.

[BigYoshiFan]

well if narna flips town we know scum have a framer.
doubt it though.

What about a bus driver?

[BigYoshiFan]

Does the dayvig shot end the day?

[BigYoshiFan]

well if narna flips town we know scum have a framer.
doubt it though.

What about a bus driver?

How many times do I have to remind you that Giovanni got an investigative result on Narna as well, confirming his visit?

Who said they were the ones switched? What if Shiro was switched with a mafioso when Narna investigated her?

[BigYoshiFan]

Meh, let's compare the claims.

MagnaofIllusion - Motivator
zakk - Flavour Cop
McMenno - Coroner
Titus - Vanilla Cop
Me - Bulletproof
Shiro - Role Cop
Nahdia - Jailkeeper

Rating from 1 to 10 where 1 is the least powerful from these and 10 is the most powerful, how it would look like?

I don't get it.

[BigYoshiFan]

What am I missing here? I don't understand what counterclaim you guys are presenting.

[BigYoshiFan]

Yes Narna gets a result confirming her visit, to whom is a matter of questionable doubt: What if a bus driver switched Narna's target, Shiro, with a mafioso?

[BigYoshiFan]

But you wouldn't be affected if the target was only Shiro and a mafioso on the night Narna investigated Shiro. Narna still investigates the new target.

[BigYoshiFan]

I don't think they receive names.

[BigYoshiFan]

All the theories I had about the bus driver:

Spoiler:

[BigYoshiFan]

Goodnight. Narna I'm sorry.

[BigYoshiFan]

Hey Andrius, am I confscum for not wanting to vote Narna?

If so I must be confirmed scum too.
Regardless of thus flip, I want this.
VOTE: Almost50

[BigYoshiFan]

Also, massive shouldn't be on your list if Narna is town for you.

You're right. Who would you be willing to lynch today?
P-edit Nadhia, why are you mentioning this noe?

[BigYoshiFan]

I mentioned it as soon as it happened....

Sorry. I didn't see that and when I was posting the only post I saw before posting was that, if that makes sense.

[BigYoshiFan]

Oh god I didn't this page at all, ignore everything I said in the last few minutes. XD

[BigYoshiFan]

I don't want to abandon this game.

[BigYoshiFan]

Is there any discrepancy during the night Narna targeted Shiro? Redirector can explain that too.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm down to lynch Almost50, Not Chara, and Accountant. (Accountant being the least preferable of the three)
I will be out until tomorrow at about this time.

[BigYoshiFan]

The reason I want Maxous first is if I am right it gives us Gio scum.
If I am wrong it gives us Gio town and Nahdia scum.

I'm so sorry, I'm trying to take in everything you're saying, also I was a replacement and I didn't read all 230 pages, so how is Nahdia confirmed scum if Maxous is town?

[BigYoshiFan]

Straight from the wiki under "Normal Guidelines" for the Miller:
A Miller that knows they are a Miller and flips as such is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Miller returns a guilty result if investigated by a Cop, "Miller" if investigated by a Role Cop, and "non-Vanilla" to a Vanilla Cop.

[BigYoshiFan]

So you are saying Narna is innocent in seeing Shiro as guilty, correct?

[BigYoshiFan]

On my way to game night with friends will be on sporadically.

Big yoshi awaiting response to my question.

Narna Thanks for the compliment I have been working on my town game.

What question?

[BigYoshiFan]

Where the fuck did that come from?

[BigYoshiFan]

Ffs just tell me. I'm not reading through 10 pages of debate over what miller means.

[BigYoshiFan]

Because Maxous was a claimed roleblocker N3 someone had to be the fall person.

At this point one of Nahdia or Maxous are confirmed scum. The only way this is not the case is if scum also knew Maxous was a roleblocker and Nahdia wasn't going to act as Nahdia's power is more powerful. The only way nonscum Nahdia would be known to not act is if she was in the hood as it wasn't announced publically to what I could find. This makes Nahdia scum which is a direct contradiction of assume one or the other not scum.

Because Maxous's action N3 failed and Nahdia didn't act.

So there are either three roleblockers for both to be town
Or scum have multiple "make this action fail powers"
Or one of them is scum and lying.

Uhmmmmm. I think it is most likely a scum's "make this action fail powers" to be the cause. I honestly don't know what to make of this; they are both null reads to me too. Any other information you have, such as other discrepancies that I didn't see?

[BigYoshiFan]

Alright, give me a second. For now, I can say I townread Narna and think they are being used as lynchbait (or was used). Everyone on Narna is scummier to me for that (Sircakez and Maxous)
Also, I feel your frustration. Let me just try to process everything you're saying, expect some questions on clarification.

[BigYoshiFan]

Does someone have a guilty on Narna? Or are you saying Shiro was framed when Narna checked them?

[BigYoshiFan]

I targeted Narna, getting an "investigative action" result.

Narna claimed to have investigated someone that same night.

Unless the bus driver switched me to another investigative role that targets, there were not switching shenanigans present.

This is what Nahdia is trying to say, I think.

Was this action on Night 3?

[BigYoshiFan]

Wait, I'm dumb, I know. Disregard that post.

[BigYoshiFan]

Narna cleared massive on Night 2 and guiltied Shiro Night 3? What about Nights 1 and 4?
Who did Nahdia jail Night 4?

[BigYoshiFan]

Narna didnt submit night 1 and cleared me night 4.
I jailed Maxous night 4.

Did your jail on Maxous work, if not, how do you know?

[BigYoshiFan]

Well, let me get my information in order.
Did shiro check anyone N3?

[BigYoshiFan]

Well... I have all of Nahdia's, Maxous', Narna's, and Gio's night actions.
Is there any other night actions that would be important for me to know before I start posting thoughts?

[BigYoshiFan]

Oh and Shiro's
I know she was RB'ed N1, who did she target N2?

[BigYoshiFan]

Might wanna update that. I THINK Creature claimed BP and Gio claimed follower.

[BigYoshiFan]

Did Not Chara claim roleblocked N3?

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay. I really appreciate your help btw, I hope you know that, and that this help isn't getting thrown out a window, I'm just confirming a bunch of things I have down here.
Mathblade, were you roleblocked N4?

[BigYoshiFan]

Am I missing anything here?

Spoiler:

Maxous -
Targeted Shiro N1 and Shiro claimed roleblocked.
Targeted Nahdia N2. The discrepancy here is that Gio followed him and claimed he received "No Result." So Gio here could have been roleblocked or Maxous is lying or some bus driving occurred.
Targeted Not Chara N3. Denied by Not Chara
Targeted Creature/Mathblade N4. Jailed by Nahdia; Creature denies it.

Nahdia -
Targeted zakk N1, zakk died. Wasn’t roleblocked by Maxous.
Targeted massive N2
Targeted no one N3. Why, I don’t know.
Targeted Maxous N4

Narna -
Did not submit N1
Claims to have cleared massive N2
Claims to have a guilty on Shiro N3
Claims to have cleared Nahdia N4

Giovanni -
Targeted Maxous N2, received no result. Maxous claimed he roleblocked Nahdia.
Targeted Narna N4, received an investigation result.

[BigYoshiFan]

Ugh, there's so much that could have happened. I'll just start spewing ideas to myself, seeing what makes sense.

[BigYoshiFan]

I like the Maxous/redirector theory. If he redirected Nahdia to Shiro N1 that would explain Shiro's RB and zakk's death. Just gotta see where he redirected N2, N3, and N4 so that this all makes sense.

[BigYoshiFan]

Why? What did I miss?

[BigYoshiFan]

this later post Mathblade

my god. you have to be specific when speaking to Skullduggery. very. specific.

i've been told now that i really have no way of knowing whether i had been roleblocked or if there was just no result to get.

meaning test roleblocks on me are rather useless.

as was most of today's discussion. the way investigations are being resolved with roleblocks is explicitly non-normal in this setup.

i'm taking a break from night actions. hopefully someone was given interesting alignment info from reactions to this regardless.

Did they ever "clarify," as you said, that they were indeed roleblocked?

[BigYoshiFan]

I think I'm just reading things wrong.

[BigYoshiFan]

the theory was bogus because Not Chara didn't understand they had been roleblocked on N3. ( I told y'all people misread their roles ALL THE TIME in larges)

That has since been clarified that they were roleblocked on N3

Narna is scum because his claim that he would not theoretically not get a guilty on a miller has been debunked by Shiro and by Mod.
nothing to do with night actions, he straight up lied and thought he wouldn't be caught out with it.
he was.

Are you or are you not saying it was confirmed Not Chara to be roleblocked on N3? You showed me that there is no way of knowing, but your defense that you're not a redirector is because your N3 roleblock was real.

[BigYoshiFan]

I still don't understand, Mathblade, on how Maxous can't be a redirector. Nahdia roleblocked him N4, are you saying you know that his action failed because of that?

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay, so are claiming that you weren't roleblocked N4?
If Maxous was a roleblocker, you would have been roleblocked, yes?
Th only way I can see you coming to this conclusion is because you were not roleblocked.

[BigYoshiFan]

By the way I think you are fishing to avoid posting thoughts Yoshi.

Maxous you too. Top 2 scumreads that aren't Narna. Go.

I was eating lunch, sorry.
Maxous and A50

[BigYoshiFan]

By the way I think you are fishing to avoid posting thoughts Yoshi.

Maxous you too. Top 2 scumreads that aren't Narna. Go.

Oh my god, I can't pull theories out of my ass when I don't understand everything. And the theory I did have, I don't understand why it isn't possible.

[BigYoshiFan]

I still don't understand, Mathblade, on how Maxous can't be a redirector. Nahdia roleblocked him N4, are you saying you know that his action failed because of that?

I am saying by NAR

If Nadhia jailkept Maxous and Maxous did anything other than roleblock or what is above it in NAR it would not take effect.

Not Chara in their post said they cannot confirm or deny it. The roleblock might or might not have gone through.

I'm confused as all hell right now. You are saying here that if he was a roleblocker that you would have been roleblocked despite him being jailed. And if you are so sure that he can't be a redirector because of this, that means you were roleblocked Night 4 and you think he is a roleblocker. This is the information you presented to counter my Maxous/redirector theory and it is making no sense. What am I (not) seeing that is wrong?

[BigYoshiFan]

the result i got is a result, but it seems my results don't differentiate between being roleblocked, and simply nothing happening that night.

Let me try to make this even clearer: Assuming you were a Tracker (which is probably not true, but is a hypothetical assumption to get the point through) you'd get "You saw NOTHING" whether

our

target had no night action or you were locked, so you cannot differentiate between the two. Am I correctly understanding this?

I hope you mean "your".

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay... gotcha.
VOTE: Maxous

P-edit: Yes, agreed on Gio.

[BigYoshiFan]

Town - Narna, MathBlade
Lean Town - massive, Nahdia, SirCakez
Null - PelegrineV, Pine
Lean Scum - Ankamius, Accountant
Scum - Not Chara, Almost50, Giovanni, Maxous

If I payed attention better during the last ten(s) pages I might have better reads.

[BigYoshiFan]

Gladly.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'll hammer all their fucking asses if you want.

[BigYoshiFan]

Look, you'll find me to be towny soon, I know it.

[BigYoshiFan]

Tinfoil: Mathblade is the redirector

[BigYoshiFan]

I don't know. Something that was always in the back of my head was: Maybe MathBlade will come up with a bunch of these theories and appear helpful to the town but utterly confuse the town and slip under the radar with all of his towncred for his posts. Nothing I'm willing to fight for, just superstition.

[BigYoshiFan]

Nahdia, why didn't you target anyone Night 3?

[BigYoshiFan]

Mathblade, who you agree that Narna having a guilty on Shiro means there is a framer and/or redirector?

[BigYoshiFan]

I dunno, I thought it was almost certain and I wanted to hear it from you. I don't think it was a derp.

[BigYoshiFan]

Geez, maybe I'll just shut up from now on.

[BigYoshiFan]

Anyone have some meta reads on Mathblade?

[BigYoshiFan]

I've been feeling the same way, the only issue is, I don't trust you.

[BigYoshiFan]

Do not stop scumhunting questions ever if you are town. That is what Yoshi did. For the love of all that is town go back and answer the questions asked. Conflict or not I don't care we are having a useful weekend.

Good night all may we lynch scums.

Seems a bit LAMIST to me
Also, I don't understand why MathBlade has been so secretive over whether he was roleblocked on N4. It's pretty obvious he wasn't because if he was, he wouldn't be so confident on Maxous not being a redirector. What information does he give by saying he wasn't roleblocked?

[BigYoshiFan]

@Yoshi:

Well, you should (trust me). Math has casted doubt on me, you, Gio, Maxous, NC, & Nahdia so far. they even considered any of the other two new replacement slots for instance. They told me to sheep them, but somehow decided I was scum when I reposted my OLD reads, which tells me I hit a live nerve somewhere. I guess Creature (Math)+Cakez+Firebringer (Accounant) is true after all, and I'm starting with the mastermind of this current team formation. Math, then Accountant, then Cakez. Ank can have his hammer if he wants, cuz I'm not moving my vote today.

It's for good reason though, is it not? For you, I think it is your posts that make you scummy (intentionally being annoying, for one thing). The rest of them are on the chopping block for their Night Action discrepancies.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm sorry Almost. I just found that post VERY scummy.
VOTE: Almost50

[BigYoshiFan]

OK then. If the game doesn't end after we lynch the 3 I proposed hen your head is rolling as their 4th.

Bottom Line: I'm NOT lynching Gio, Maxous, Narna, massive, PV, Ank, Andrius, NC or Nahdia.

So basically only me, MathBlade, and SirCakez. :/

[BigYoshiFan]

Everything past your response to me makes absolutely no sense to me.

[BigYoshiFan]

Everything past your response to me makes absolutely no sense to me.

@Gio

[BigYoshiFan]

Obligatory "told you so" sentence about the vagueness of results given by Skullduggery.

I received answer from the mod regarding the interaction between weak and ascetic, not that it matters anymore. In case a weak targets an Ascetic with his own ability, a weak will not die.

I don't know. Something that was always in the back of my head was: Maybe MathBlade will come up with a bunch of these theories and appear helpful to the town but utterly confuse the town and slip under the radar with all of his towncred for his posts. Nothing I'm willing to fight for, just superstition.

I heavily dislike his over-aggressive and overconfident playstyle, however,

it doesn't make sense

for him to be scum. His behaviour has been pitchforky, but unlike the pirchforkers we had pre-replacement, he tries to rally Town and make them play using his pitchforkiness, unlike, say, Andrius or SlySly. Whether his method has bore fruit or not is up to debate, but truth remains his intentions seem "pure" and, more importantly, that there is zero incentive for scum to replace in and act as a Town Leader all of a sudden in a "lost" Town. If anything, I would expect scum replacing in to act more like Accountant or Pine, semi-lurking or pretending to read the thread.

He clearly is "paranoid" in some of his reads, but if you were a townie replacing in a gamestate such as this, you would be "pararnoid" as well.

The reason I lean Gio's the liar too is because he voted his innocent read. That should never happen.

Let's get over this one more time. So, I claim that someone is innocent. Then I vote for him. You said that this is a scummy move. You didn't say what I would gain from this move as scum.

What I would gain from claiming that Narna is innocent, on the day that he would most likely be lynched, then vote for him? Why claim an innocent on Narna and then vote, instead of simply voting without singling myself out?

1) The premise is bad. If you are scum the entire thing is poisonous and you are not required to have actually targeted your buddy or have told the truth about any of it. I think the claim is engineered to give Maxous a bit of legitimacy.

So, since I am scum with Maxous, why would I admit that my result on him is shaky? I was believed as weak having cleared him, and since he has claimed roleblocker, I could confirm that the type of action I supposedly caught him doing is interferring (the corresponding action to his claim) and be done with it.

---------

So, according to you, my scum plan was the following:

1) I claimed weak and cleared Maxous, my scumbuddy, with most players believing me.
2) I faked an innocent on the most possible lynch target, announcing my result immediately.
3) Afterwards, I voted for him.
4) I questioned my own result on my scumbuddy openly when he claimed (or fake-claimed) all of his targets.
5) My scumbuddy ended up being a possible lynch candidate with me likely next on the chopping block.

Does this make sense to you?

When I say "makes no sense" it doesn't mean I agree with it, it just means I don't understand what you're saying. I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say in the area I specified. A town PR never votes their innocents; there is no need to talk about what you gain as scum. The mod essentially told you Narna is town, so why are you voting them? What is with all of this elaboration of "what would I gain?"

[BigYoshiFan]

I dunno perhaps towncred because people don't believe so hard that Narna is scum?

[BigYoshiFan]

I dunno perhaps towncred because people don't believe so hard that Narna is scum?

Sorry, I had something else written and I erased it. I meant to say because people believe so hard that Narna is scum. Disregard the "don't".

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm gonna switch back to this.
VOTE: Maxous
His flip would give us much more information rather than Almost50's.

[BigYoshiFan]

If a third party is present, I think it is unlikely for scum to be five in number.

If anything, 4/9/1 makes more sense, especially given the fact that despite the large number of investigatives, results are shaky.

I would agree except for what is likely Yoshi's scum slip.

I wish I had a million guns but alas I has none.

It wasn't a scumslip, I just proposed what I thought was most likely. :/

[BigYoshiFan]

Why don't you vote Maxous then?

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay, sorry. I don't see why a vote wouldn't be helpful right about now. Maxous is at L-6 and if you wanna give some rope, vote him. You also seem quite confident he's scum, so I don't really see the issue here.

[BigYoshiFan]

Assume Nahdia is scum and Maxous is town. Then Nahdia would not be a Jailkeeper at all in that case. They could not be the redirector either. Maxous would have been redirected onto Gio and then possibly left alone to roleblock Not Chara and then redirected again onto SirCakez. Then what would be more important than redirecting or killing a roleblocker?

Assume Maxous is scum and Nahdia is town. N1 Nahdia redirected onto Shiro. N2 redirected onto Gio. N3 redirected onto no one and yet Not Chara maybe was or wasn't blocked. N4 Nahdia redirected to SirCakez.

Well, I like my Maxous vote a lot more. I think it makes much more sense that a scum redirector would use Nahdia each night for their D1 claim.

[BigYoshiFan]

Also, if Nahdia was redirected to Not Chara, it makes sense for scum Maxous to claim he roleblocked Not Chara. Same thing for Shiro's RB Day 1. I think a lot can be gained by using who he claimed to block as knowledge from scum.

[BigYoshiFan]

Hmmmm... this could be very wrong, but I'll say it anyway.
Gio did not receive a result N2, correct?
If the theory that Nahdia was redirected to Gio N2 is true, then Maxous couldn't have roleblocked Nahdia unless Gio's "No Result" was caused by something else. I might have got the NAR mixed up there.

[BigYoshiFan]

I don't know what to make of his N4 RB claim on MathBlade, perhaps just a straight up lie? Whether he was jailed or not, his roleblock should have affected MathBlade (I think) unless some other shenanigans is going on.

[BigYoshiFan]

So his action went through, he just received that Maxous performed nothing.

[BigYoshiFan]

Perhaps scum found SirCakez role more worthy of a block? Which they would have received in the hood?

[BigYoshiFan]

He wasn't to keep Nahdia alive so their team can keep using them. He also knows Narna wasn't framed by their team.

[BigYoshiFan]

He

wants

to keep Nahdia alive so their team can keep using them. He also knows Narna wasn't framed by their team.

EBWOP

[BigYoshiFan]

I'll play however way I want.

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay so realtalk Math everything you're saying is going way over my head. You need to go back to the beginning and explain your analysis in baby steps. Spamming the thread with crap like this is only going to encourage apathy.

Should of began with this when I approached MathBlade.

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay so realtalk Math everything you're saying is going way over my head. You need to go back to the beginning and explain your analysis in baby steps. Spamming the thread with crap like this is only going to encourage apathy.

Should

have

began with this when I approached MathBlade.

EBWOP

[BigYoshiFan]

All of these theories can be shortened down to perhaps MUCH less possibilities when we have Maxous' flip, who already looks scummy for the discrepancies in his night actions and basically just slipping away from the topic at hand. That's where I am. Conceptualizing a plan when there are these many possibilities with complexity beyond my perceptive abilities seems implausible to me. Also, I have a lot of homework and studying to do for finals.

[BigYoshiFan]

Who reset the votes? :/

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Almost50
Back to my first vote.

[BigYoshiFan]

Honestly MathBlade, you could be in my scumreads. Let me analyze a bit more. (I might not respond until tomorrow; I got events happening today.)

[BigYoshiFan]

Lol yes because scum attempt to give three conf towns and don't let an apathy lynch happen when it would be infinitely easier to make a Narna case. Because it sounds something like scum would do.

/Sarcasm

Excuse me while I facepalm.

That's not how I would imagine ScumBlade plays looking at your quote. XD

[BigYoshiFan]

So with the death text scum probably fucking shot me. This wasn't like a McMenno vote count fuck up.

So this is saying you think scum shot you and that was the cause of the VC reset?

[BigYoshiFan]

You posted that after he claimed to have reset it, found it kinda fishy, anyways.
Giovanni is clear with Maxous' claim.
We still have Narna's "guilty" on Shiro
Nahdia's jail target Night 1 was killed. (Strongman? Something else?)

I think Maxous is telling the truth. Probably need a more in-depth analysis but his story adds up. He blocked our rolecop D1 and jailkeeper (who is probably town) D2, which I don't like, but will consider him as third-party neutral besides that.
The scummiest ones to me are the lurkers (ex: Pine, Creeps20/massive, SirCakez, Ankamius)
I had something against NC and A50, I'll have to look over their posts again.
I had an encounter with A50 that really sold the idea he was scum, like he was trying to buddy me in a vulnerable state, jumping on the opportunity that MathBlade was scum.
For MathBlade, there were some things that made me suspicious. There were some LAMIST posts when he was seemingly frustrated; he wanted to keep hidden whether he was roleblocked N4 (even though I proposed to him he probably wasn't). His flavor claim has me believing he's town, and because no one counterclaimed.

[BigYoshiFan]

I will Creeps20, I'm not into lynching you as much as others on that list, but you aren't in my townie list yet.

[BigYoshiFan]

The whole point of a survivor is that they have to survive. I don't think we need to lynch him to win, that is, if he is telling the truth.

[BigYoshiFan]

The whole point of a survivor is that they have to survive. I don't think we need to lynch him to win, that is, if he is telling the truth.

But currently this is the better lynch (The ghaster guy) die to the fact that he is either survivor or scum. Either way we lose no townies

I'm still content with finding another lynch. I'd much rather lynch scum and I am confident that he is telling the truth.

[BigYoshiFan]

Said it, Almost50.

[BigYoshiFan]

Whatever, I want something to happen.
I'll vote Maxous but I'll save my vote for the hammer so Ankamius can't have it, unless you want him to have it.

[BigYoshiFan]

Actually, I gotta leave for that event soon, someone vote Maxous in the next 20 minutes.

[BigYoshiFan]

Mmmmm.... Do you want my vote now or after my thing which could be in 4-ish hours or possibly tomorrow if I just go straight to sleep?

[BigYoshiFan]

Do you want Ankamius on this wagon and receiving benefits at all?
If not, I will vote.

[BigYoshiFan]

Alright, I'll let people catch up, didn't notice how much time was left in the day as well.

[BigYoshiFan]

Not Chara, Almost50, and BigYoshiFan are my picks for scum in that list.

Explain these reads, prove to me these aren't fake.

[BigYoshiFan]

Sometimes I get that feeling where something is just

off

about a player, but I can't quite pinpoint where it is.

Mathblade from the past few pages is giving me that feeling big time.

Mathblade has given me that feeling ever since he replaced in.

[BigYoshiFan]

What's that? TELL US.

[BigYoshiFan]

Never have I wished I was a vig so much until now. This off feeling I have of him has been increasing, especially through these last few pages.
The issue is, I don't know if I can explain it.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'll make my case when I'm ready, which will most likely be the next day. Just trying to gather some opinions, spark some conversation about you (as it appears that the lynch is predetermined), and get it out there to those who strongly TR you that I don't trust you, so that when I bring my case on you tomorrow it won't be entirely disregarded as impromptu reads.

[BigYoshiFan]

Where is Maxous at on votes?

[BigYoshiFan]

Keep it coming. Please.

[BigYoshiFan]

Your cases are full of loaded words, your posts full of LAMIST phrases, your attitude full of arrogance. I don't need a case on you right now.

P-edit: Was about to edit that for you, now I lose that pleasure.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'll just leave that there, as it will be the basis for my case against MathBlade. (which I will need organized, revised, and constructed like a college paper if I want it to be effective)
Speaking of college papers, I have essays to write now.

P-edit: Heheh, clever comeback. You know what I mean though.

[BigYoshiFan]

Where is Maxous at on votes?

Can you answer this question with the content it asks? Please.

[BigYoshiFan]

Well, he's been quite active so I thought he would know. Also, I just wanted to see if he'd be polite enough to answer.

[BigYoshiFan]

You're not completely wrong, I don't find a lot of the recent posts worth reading, but I skimmed through all the pages so I hope that accounts for something. (I don't remember anything though)
Considering he's at L-2 I'll keep my vote for now.

[BigYoshiFan]

i don't know, Creeps, i found that the last few pages made me a lot more confident in Yoshi scum.
lines like 'i wanted to get my suspicions down so it wouldn't look like the read came from nowhere.'

Since when were you ever confident I was scum?

[BigYoshiFan]

i can tell you erroneously think that's a scumtell, based on how worried you are about other players thinking you're being inconsistent.

What are you saying? My thoughts have many errors?

[BigYoshiFan]

But suddenly coming forth with a read you never mentioned isn't inconsistent, it's just sketchy.
I question it because it looks opportunistic. (Yes, you can make the same argument there, go ahead)

[BigYoshiFan]

Does "Town Derp" imply that Narna actually received an innocent and just thought it was a guilty?
Narna received a guilty, that has to be clear by now.

P-edit: Narna can't be insane, that goes against Skull's last rule. Right?

[BigYoshiFan]

Gotcha.

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay... so the information was tampered with.

[BigYoshiFan]

Because all you need to do is get 2 more mislynches or whatever and you're done.

[BigYoshiFan]

And again oddly specific. You be scum.

I swear to fucking god I pulled that number out of my ass, which is what you must be doing for these scumreads on me.

[BigYoshiFan]

If my vote isn't gonna be on Maxous, then it's gonna be here.
VOTE: MathBlade
Let's see if MathBlade can shut up for 5 seconds after he sees this.

*Proposes 5 scum*
MathBlade: SCUM!
*Proposes 2 mislynches until scum win*
MathBlade: SCUM!
*Doesn't bow down to him as town leader* (You're right Ankamius)
MathBlade: SCUM!
The only logical argument you have made against me is my lack of reads, which I'll admit is not completely wrong. The reads I've revealed are from YOUR reads, MathBlade. I've had a unique read on A50. My reads on Maxous, Nahdia, Gio and whatnot are exactly yours because they're based on the facts. It's hard to develop other reads when you keep spamming the god damn thread with loaded words, complaints, LAMIST posts, and utterly confusing thought processes you are going through. I've stuck with the facts and made my reads through them, even if I haven't mentioned it (even though I think I have). Your posts are the reason I can't make thoughtful reads (because I'm too preoccupied trying to understand your POV) and why I'm discouraged from reading the thread. I'm going to sleep now. Don't worry, I'll get into MUCH more detail when I have time (hopefully the next day).

P-edit: The only reason you don't want people sheeping you is so the responsibility for the mislynch is off your shoulders.

[BigYoshiFan]

@Yoshi Move your vote back on Maxous *sigh*

I have well thought out reasons as to why you are scum. Maxous said the same thing that my analysis was too confusing. You just want me dead.

And I made it more than 5 seconds.

My vote was never on Maxous, you wanted people to catch up.