Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[BigYoshiFan]

Everything past your response to me makes absolutely no sense to me.

@Gio

[Giovanni il Pellegrino]

Everything past your response to me makes absolutely no sense to me.

@Gio

Care to elaborate then?

Why do my opinion on Mathblade makes sense to you?

Why do you disagree with the rest?

[MathBlade]

Obligatory "told you so" sentence about the vagueness of results given by Skullduggery.

I received answer from the mod regarding the interaction between weak and ascetic, not that it matters anymore. In case a weak targets an Ascetic with his own ability, a weak will not die.

I don't know. Something that was always in the back of my head was: Maybe MathBlade will come up with a bunch of these theories and appear helpful to the town but utterly confuse the town and slip under the radar with all of his towncred for his posts. Nothing I'm willing to fight for, just superstition.

I heavily dislike his over-aggressive and overconfident playstyle, however,

it doesn't make sense

for him to be scum. His behaviour has been pitchforky, but unlike the pirchforkers we had pre-replacement, he tries to rally Town and make them play using his pitchforkiness, unlike, say, Andrius or SlySly. Whether his method has bore fruit or not is up to debate, but truth remains his intentions seem "pure" and, more importantly, that there is zero incentive for scum to replace in and act as a Town Leader all of a sudden in a "lost" Town. If anything, I would expect scum replacing in to act more like Accountant or Pine, semi-lurking or pretending to read the thread.

He clearly is "paranoid" in some of his reads, but if you were a townie replacing in a gamestate such as this, you would be "pararnoid" as well.

The reason I lean Gio's the liar too is because he voted his innocent read. That should never happen.

Let's get over this one more time. So, I claim that someone is innocent. Then I vote for him. You said that this is a scummy move. You didn't say what I would gain from this move as scum.

What I would gain from claiming that Narna is innocent, on the day that he would most likely be lynched, then vote for him? Why claim an innocent on Narna and then vote, instead of simply voting without singling myself out?

1) The premise is bad. If you are scum the entire thing is poisonous and you are not required to have actually targeted your buddy or have told the truth about any of it. I think the claim is engineered to give Maxous a bit of legitimacy.

So, since I am scum with Maxous, why would I admit that my result on him is shaky? I was believed as weak having cleared him, and since he has claimed roleblocker, I could confirm that the type of action I supposedly caught him doing is interferring (the corresponding action to his claim) and be done with it.

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So, according to you, my scum plan was the following:

1) I claimed weak and cleared Maxous, my scumbuddy, with most players believing me.
2) I faked an innocent on the most possible lynch target, announcing my result immediately.
3) Afterwards, I voted for him.
4) I questioned my own result on my scumbuddy openly when he claimed (or fake-claimed) all of his targets.
5) My scumbuddy ended up being a possible lynch candidate with me likely next on the chopping block.

Does this make sense to you?

1) Yes
2) I am accusing you of faking Maxous at minimum. Narna is a town read of mine. Scum can tell the truth as Town.
3) Yes you voted for your town innocent read. Bad scum.
4) Yes I have done this as scum and it creates a fake aura of authenticity. Questions are not the be all end all. Scum need one or two more mislynches to win. The fact of the matter is you can have a lynch of one or two of your buddies.

Today for scum is about no lynching or lynching town flat out because then they do not have to bus and then just win. That is why I am to borrow your words pitchforky. To expect normal play in a bastard game is suicide. All I see is there is no logical way your results are right. Therefore you are scum.

[MathBlade]

As Town can*

[BigYoshiFan]

Obligatory "told you so" sentence about the vagueness of results given by Skullduggery.

I received answer from the mod regarding the interaction between weak and ascetic, not that it matters anymore. In case a weak targets an Ascetic with his own ability, a weak will not die.

I don't know. Something that was always in the back of my head was: Maybe MathBlade will come up with a bunch of these theories and appear helpful to the town but utterly confuse the town and slip under the radar with all of his towncred for his posts. Nothing I'm willing to fight for, just superstition.

I heavily dislike his over-aggressive and overconfident playstyle, however,

it doesn't make sense

for him to be scum. His behaviour has been pitchforky, but unlike the pirchforkers we had pre-replacement, he tries to rally Town and make them play using his pitchforkiness, unlike, say, Andrius or SlySly. Whether his method has bore fruit or not is up to debate, but truth remains his intentions seem "pure" and, more importantly, that there is zero incentive for scum to replace in and act as a Town Leader all of a sudden in a "lost" Town. If anything, I would expect scum replacing in to act more like Accountant or Pine, semi-lurking or pretending to read the thread.

He clearly is "paranoid" in some of his reads, but if you were a townie replacing in a gamestate such as this, you would be "pararnoid" as well.

The reason I lean Gio's the liar too is because he voted his innocent read. That should never happen.

Let's get over this one more time. So, I claim that someone is innocent. Then I vote for him. You said that this is a scummy move. You didn't say what I would gain from this move as scum.

What I would gain from claiming that Narna is innocent, on the day that he would most likely be lynched, then vote for him? Why claim an innocent on Narna and then vote, instead of simply voting without singling myself out?

1) The premise is bad. If you are scum the entire thing is poisonous and you are not required to have actually targeted your buddy or have told the truth about any of it. I think the claim is engineered to give Maxous a bit of legitimacy.

So, since I am scum with Maxous, why would I admit that my result on him is shaky? I was believed as weak having cleared him, and since he has claimed roleblocker, I could confirm that the type of action I supposedly caught him doing is interferring (the corresponding action to his claim) and be done with it.

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So, according to you, my scum plan was the following:

1) I claimed weak and cleared Maxous, my scumbuddy, with most players believing me.
2) I faked an innocent on the most possible lynch target, announcing my result immediately.
3) Afterwards, I voted for him.
4) I questioned my own result on my scumbuddy openly when he claimed (or fake-claimed) all of his targets.
5) My scumbuddy ended up being a possible lynch candidate with me likely next on the chopping block.

Does this make sense to you?

When I say "makes no sense" it doesn't mean I agree with it, it just means I don't understand what you're saying. I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say in the area I specified. A town PR never votes their innocents; there is no need to talk about what you gain as scum. The mod essentially told you Narna is town, so why are you voting them? What is with all of this elaboration of "what would I gain?"

[Giovanni il Pellegrino]

1) Yes
2) I am accusing you of faking Maxous at minimum. Narna is a town read of mine. Scum can tell the truth as Town.
3) Yes you voted for your town innocent read. Bad scum.
4) Yes I have done this as scum and it creates a fake aura of authenticity. Questions are not the be all end all. Scum need one or two more mislynches to win. The fact of the matter is you can have a lynch of one or two of your buddies.

Today for scum is about no lynching or lynching town flat out because then they do not have to bus and then just win. That is why I am to borrow your words pitchforky. To expect normal play in a bastard game is suicide. All I see is there is no logical way your results are right. Therefore you are scum.

2) You answered how it is possible for scum to know Narna is town, however you didn't answer my query. Why would I come forth and claim an innocent on Narna?
3) Stop treating me like a moron. Bad scum != suicidal scum.
4) The fact that you have done this as scum doesn't mean that everyone doing it is scum.

So, to summarize, according to you:

1) My results cannot be right.
2) Because of (1) as well as other reasons I am 100% scum.

Why don't you vote for me then? Don't you want to avoid a mislynch and lynch scum? I am 100% scum, more likely than my "scumbuddy" Maxous. At some point you claimed that whether Maxous is scum or not, I am definitely scum. Why "risk" voting Maxous, when 100% scum Giovanni is ripe for lynching?

When I say "makes no sense" it doesn't mean I agree with it, it just means I don't understand what you're saying. I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say in the area I specified. A town PR never votes their innocents; there is no need to talk about what you gain as scum. The mod essentially told you Narna is town, so why are you voting them? What is with all of this elaboration of "what would I gain?"

I already explained why I voted Narna. You say it is a scum move. I asked what I would gain by doing so obvious a scum move.

[BigYoshiFan]

I dunno perhaps towncred because people don't believe so hard that Narna is scum?

[BigYoshiFan]

I dunno perhaps towncred because people don't believe so hard that Narna is scum?

Sorry, I had something else written and I erased it. I meant to say because people believe so hard that Narna is scum. Disregard the "don't".

[MathBlade]

You would come forth and claim it so that way if people ignored you and then lynched Narna you would smell like roses for one. The other is "giving an innocent" is seen as something only town does. However night actions were bound to be scrutinized in whatever we determine LyLO to be so you likely just did it for the creds.

3) I believe that is ascum claim. I will point out bad play when I see it. Just like if I suck I expect someone to tell me.
I am going to keep pointing out Town PRs don't vote their innocents until people see it and fucking address it.

4) This is correct. It doesn't mean it happens every time. That was not my point. My point is that making an argument of scum wouldn't do something there for you are town is dumb and provided a counter example to that effect. Is it proof? No. it just invalidates your argument.

Yes because your reason for voting Narna is bullshit.

No matter how annoyed you get you do not ever play against wincon and vote someone who is mod confirmed town to you unless you are scum or 3P

As for why I don't vote I want people to play. To read to see. To agree and disagree. One vote runs the liability of a quick lynch. Caution is the better part of valor. So many people need to post reads.

[MathBlade]

Now look I am not the best orator. I am not the best anything. Hell I probably suck at the role I have drawn. But what I will say is that by hook or by crook we need to be lynching the scums. I am going to do that. I am going to inspire others to do it. I don't care if I am the only townie posting but I am going to keep cheerleading til we come together. I am usually the brawn but today I will put on the skirt and save the damn world if I have to. Take the jabs and hits. Someone make my play worth it and post some damn reads.

[SirCakez]

I am not unvoting narna until I get an explanation on how his "guilty" was town

Shiro must've had a public dayvig that they forgot about from d2.

WTF? Where would that have come from?

I would be fine swinging Max but Narna still has yet to offer up an explanation. It's absurd.

This was in reference to Fire's "dayvig" from just before the replacening.

Uh what?

If we were going without role interactions SirCakez would be a good bet for scum.

You have yet to explain this read

The reason I lean Gio's the liar too is because he voted his innocent read. That should never happen.

This is a good point though, and another reason why I think Gio and Narna are buddies

Good night all may we lynch scums.

Oh, yes we can.

VOTE: Mathblade

Testing waters for 48 hours now trying to find a weak link to mislynch and not casting your own vote on any = SCUM!Blade.

You're clearly "trying" to look like you're solving the game, but all you've done was casting doubt on half of the players list and NOT COMMITTING YOURSELF to ANY of them.

Meanwhile this vote is out of nowhere and likely from flailing scum

[MathBlade]

I am not unvoting narna until I get an explanation on how his "guilty" was town

Shiro must've had a public dayvig that they forgot about from d2.

WTF? Where would that have come from?

I would be fine swinging Max but Narna still has yet to offer up an explanation. It's absurd.

This was in reference to Fire's "dayvig" from just before the replacening.

Uh what?

If we were going without role interactions SirCakez would be a good bet for scum.

You have yet to explain this read

The reason I lean Gio's the liar too is because he voted his innocent read. That should never happen.

This is a good point though, and another reason why I think Gio and Narna are buddies

Good night all may we lynch scums.

Oh, yes we can.

VOTE: Mathblade

Testing waters for 48 hours now trying to find a weak link to mislynch and not casting your own vote on any = SCUM!Blade.

You're clearly "trying" to look like you're solving the game, but all you've done was casting doubt on half of the players list and NOT COMMITTING YOURSELF to ANY of them.

Meanwhile this vote is out of nowhere and likely from flailing scum

It is because some of your sentence and structure is similar to other games like Dragon Age for example. It is more of a vibe. However that is all it is and evidence tends to point to you being Town and there is the rule of listen to the dead townie so I am playing as if you are town because logic and townies say so but man are you setting off my scumdar.

[MathBlade]

Oh and another point. Approximately half of this list is probably scum.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm gonna switch back to this.
VOTE: Maxous
His flip would give us much more information rather than Almost50's.

[Maxous]

lynching obv-scum Narna would give us more information ya bird-brains.

how much of a scum lynch do you want on a silver platter before you vote?

[MathBlade]

lynching obv-scum Narna would give us more information ya bird-brains.

how much of a scum lynch do you want on a silver platter before you vote?

A lynch that likely isn't on town would be for starters.

[Accountant]

Hey, why are we still talking while Maxous is alive?

[SirCakez]

It is because some of your sentence and structure is similar to other games like Dragon Age for example.

<.<

It might be better to lynch Giovanni
If he's scum we lynch Narna, if he's town Narna is conftown
If we lynch Narna and he flips town, then we have no idea what Giovanni is

[MathBlade]

Hey, why are we still talking while Maxous is alive?

Because even if you think I am right the entire team has to be found.

I am at my best as a pacifist and find true love but I am also at my best when others aren't.
Meaning that we have to lynch scum soon or we are fucked.

This may be one of the earliest Lylo's on MS.

[MathBlade]

It is because some of your sentence and structure is similar to other games like Dragon Age for example.

<.<

It might be better to lynch Giovanni
If he's scum we lynch Narna, if he's town Narna is conftown
If we lynch Narna and he flips town, then we have no idea what Giovanni is

Yeah exactly. Gio or Maxous is the way to go today.

[Giovanni il Pellegrino]

It is because some of your sentence and structure is similar to other games like Dragon Age for example.

<.<

It might be better to lynch Giovanni
If he's scum we lynch Narna, if he's town Narna is conftown
If we lynch Narna and he flips town, then we have no idea what Giovanni is

I also agree with this logic. If I am scum, then you got your first red result. If I am town, then my claims are validated and you have more to work with.


@Mathblade, we are not in LyLo. Assuming 5 scum, we are 5/9 split right now. Assuming scum isn't lynched today, town will be 5/7 tomorrow (barring nightvigs or blocks or whatever), which is LyLo under normal circumstances. if there are 4 scum, then town will have two more days etc.

[MathBlade]

I have reason to believe there is 3P here. Or at the very least <redacted because my pants> in the game.

[MathBlade]

So IMHO it is 5/8/1 and then 5/6/1 which for all intents and purposes is LyLO.

[MathBlade]

Maxous lynch reveals Nahdia.
Gio lynch reveals Narna if Gio town. If Gio scum Narna still anything.

[Giovanni il Pellegrino]

If a third party is present, I think it is unlikely for scum to be five in number.

If anything, 4/9/1 makes more sense, especially given the fact that despite the large number of investigatives, results are shaky.