The real folk blues [Canceled]

[Skrub]

You're erratic because you're flailing all over the place and trying way too hard to justify your vote on nosterafu. Yeah you're more active now, but the way you're talking and playing is completely different from how you were on day 1. I know that a wagon is on you now, but that doesn't explain why your posts come across as forced and desperate. I don't know why I feel like you don't believe in the nos wagon. That's just the impression that I'm getting

"Flailing all over the place" - I've been responding to people's arguments against me, I've been pushing Nos, I've been... occasionally offering commentary outside of that? How is that flailing all over the place?

Yes, I'm completely different from Day 1. There's a wagon on me. Remember when you were completely different when there was a big wagon on you?

Or did you forget now that the lynch looks more like me/Nos

? If you think that I'm forcing a case on Nos, I'd be happy to see where you think I'm forcing it. Do you have any particular arguments that you thought were weak?

This is the type of thing I'm talking about. You sound like scum trying to deflect things onto other people. I even said in that post that I was aware that having a wagon on you probably influenced your change in behavior. But I don't think that it completely explains why you're acting so drastically different

[SpyreX]

Again if you pile of dull tacks actually think this is deep scum.machinations I'm clearly the scum for fucks sake

[Skrub]

Go back and look at the posts where people dropped their votes on him and it becomes clear as day.

I saw people vote Nosferatu. Show me why they are obvious scum.

Its not rocket science. One second he had no votes and nobody cared about him. The next second someone said "nos hasn't done anything so lets lynch him!" and then a shit ton of people popped out of the wood work to drop a vote and disappear. Its mislynch 101

Or it's a fast wagon 101.
Did you know that sometimes townies vote people and wagons grow really quickly? Like the Zanos wagon?

Wagon speed doesn't actually have anything to do with alignment

; there are a lot of players in this game in particular who are amendable to fast wagons and so calling a player "town" for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with what they've done this game is typically setting yourself up for failure.

That's just not true

[MathBlade]

Orrrr once again I've been looking for something that wasn't the awful two wagons to get people behind and yea that's gonna be a lurker in this day 2 shitstorm jesus

You could bus your buddy Kraska.

[MathBlade]

Again if you pile of dull tacks actually think this is deep scum.machinations I'm clearly the scum for fucks sake

I completely agree you are scum.

[SpyreX]

Skrub bro I'll shove a page 5 lynch through for giggles it's literally a playstyle thing.

Then vote me yaaawn

[The Ascended Masters]

This is the type of thing I'm talking about. You sound like scum trying to deflect things onto other people. I even said in that post that I was aware that having a wagon on you probably influenced your change in behavior. But I don't think that it completely explains why you're acting so drastically different

"So drastically different"? How am I acting so drastically different? Why does that matter?
If I'm acting differently than I was before, then that means... that I'm acting differently than I was before. I share the same alignment that I did yesterday. What point are you trying to make here?

[RachMarie]

Nosferatu (9): mhsmith0 , The Ascended Masters , SpyreX , RachMarie , Vaxkiller , Cerberus v666 , Aristophanes , Expedience , PeregrineV

smith started the wagon.

Nacho joined it and I thought I should pay attention since I know Nacho has a habit of being a good scum hunter when town and he often buses when he is scum. Plus with the possibility of it being mb, that means he could be scum for one team and the other team be who he is scum hunting for, so regardless of how anyone is reading Nacho, it pays to pay attention to where Nacho is voting.

Spy joins in and he is my top scum read

I look at Nos's iso and see something that reminds me a lot of Mastin's game where Nos was the Cult Leader.

I vote Nos.

How is that a reviving of the wagon on Nos?

[SpyreX]

Like you make me want to fakeclaim just to get you killed that's new in my infinite games its a gift

Shhh rach facts arent real time is an illusion

[MathBlade]

Nosferatu (9): mhsmith0 , The Ascended Masters , SpyreX , RachMarie , Vaxkiller , Cerberus v666 , Aristophanes , Expedience , PeregrineV

smith started the wagon.

Nacho joined it and I thought I should pay attention since I know Nacho has a habit of being a good scum hunter when town and he often buses when he is scum. Plus with the possibility of it being mb, that means he could be scum for one team and the other team be who he is scum hunting for, so regardless of how anyone is reading Nacho, it pays to pay attention to where Nacho is voting.

Spy joins in and he is my top scum read

I look at Nos's iso and see something that reminds me a lot of Mastin's game where Nos was the Cult Leader.

I vote Nos.

How is that a reviving of the wagon on Nos?

Because the top two wagons were TAM &a Skrub.
People were asking for consolidation.
You revived a wagon that if people actually cared about consolidation wouldn't exist.
But that is a bunch of horse manure.
You made it a thing.

[Skrub]

This is the type of thing I'm talking about. You sound like scum trying to deflect things onto other people. I even said in that post that I was aware that having a wagon on you probably influenced your change in behavior. But I don't think that it completely explains why you're acting so drastically different

"So drastically different"? How am I acting so drastically different? Why does that matter?
If I'm acting differently than I was before, then that means... that I'm acting differently than I was before. I share the same alignment that I did yesterday. What point are you trying to make here?

I made the point 5 years ago but you just want t keep asking a bunch of useless questions. The point is that I don't like how you're acting that's it. There doesn't need to be a super detailed reason behind everything that something thinks. I just don't like how you're acting. That's it. Call it a gut feeling or whatever that this is scum behavior

[Cerberus v666]

Mathblade, I'd really like you to explain how it makes sense that vifam, the gunsmith, was killed due to his investigation choice, by someone who doesn't use a gun? For bonus points, explain that connection without assuming a single scum faction has access to multiple kill flavors.

[RachMarie]

EBYOP

TOWN read

[MathBlade]

Also nice to know Spy went from top townread to scumread. SpyreX+RachMarie even more confirmed like it is so obvious damn.

[Killthestory]

Hey, Frozen - CiltuhTug (PROD - BeatBombBada$$)

[The Ascended Masters]

That's just not true

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66021

Look at the day 1 wagon. It was really fast. It hit scum.
There is nothing that prevents townies from voting a wagon into creation quickly. There is nothing that prevents townies from creating a scum wagon quickly. The "fast wagons are always mislynches" theory is based on scum somehow ramming through town mislynches by voting really really quickly which isn't really something that I've ever seen.

[SpyreX]

The fifth gunman

Pedit ceberus just drink and.yell at the.mirror it'll be more rewarding

[RachMarie]

Yes everyone is just jumping at the chance to sheep me

[MathBlade]

Mathblade, I'd really like you to explain how it makes sense that vifam, the gunsmith, was killed due to his investigation choice, by someone who doesn't use a gun? For bonus points, explain that connection without assuming a single scum faction has access to multiple kill flavors.

Mafia flag as having guns regardless of powers.

[DiamondSentinel]

If poison was delayed Vifam would be alive.

Therefore Vifam was not killed by poison or poison is not delayed*

I go for the former. As far as I can tell, Drixx said that it was a poison, not an explosive. Now, this is dangerously close to the same setup spec I got into trouble with in Cyberpunk, but still, I'm willing to bet that the poison is delayed, and Vifam wasn't killed by it.

Then the proper play is Vifam was killed for saying they'd investigate Kraska.
It is simple.
If Vifam's kill wasn't delayed and they know they'd show up as guilty they claimed PGO in response to the first hint of a tunnel. Town PGOs claim immediately. Read the Wiki.

I have one serious problem with this.

This makes the MASSIVE assumption that scum are in the PT. I can't think of any characters this would fit flavor for. I don't scumread Kraska for anything that they've done, so until we find proof scum is in the PT, I say we don't lynch Kraska. Simple as that.

Now, if you scumread kraska for other reasons, then please tell me, but I haven't seen anything more worthy of a lynch than many many other people.

[Skrub]

That's just not true

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66021

Look at the day 1 wagon. It was really fast. It hit scum.
There is nothing that prevents townies from voting a wagon into creation quickly. There is nothing that prevents townies from creating a scum wagon quickly. The "fast wagons are always mislynches" theory is based on scum somehow ramming through town mislynches by voting really really quickly which isn't really something that I've ever seen.

In almost every game I've played there have been wagons that formed and went through quickly. And almost every time its a mislynch.

[Killthestory]

That's just not true

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66021

Look at the day 1 wagon. It was really fast. It hit scum.
There is nothing that prevents townies from voting a wagon into creation quickly. There is nothing that prevents townies from creating a scum wagon quickly. The "fast wagons are always mislynches" theory is based on scum somehow ramming through town mislynches by voting really really quickly which isn't really something that I've ever seen.

to be fair there was two scum factions

[DiamondSentinel]

Mathblade, I'd really like you to explain how it makes sense that vifam, the gunsmith, was killed due to his investigation choice, by someone who doesn't use a gun? For bonus points, explain that connection without assuming a single scum faction has access to multiple kill flavors.

Mafia flag as having guns regardless of powers.

Nope. Mod confirmed that Jet would not detect the explosives/bio warefare and katanas kill flavors.

[SpyreX]

I swear the mod literally said that's not true

Pedit thanks ds

[DiamondSentinel]

I'm sorry MathBlade, but your theory on Kraska has too many holes in it. I can't support it at all.