The real folk blues [Canceled]

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Confirming and stuff.

Also, I changed my mind. I'm just going to be lazy for approximately 3 day phases. Too much work to talk a bunch.

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Silence right now man, silence. I should put something on to pump myself up for going out tonight though. Friday night=dancing!

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oh, going out to dance? sounds fun. i'm thinking of doing ballroom dancing if i get into this one magnet school im applying for. i hear all the hot chicks go there, and ballroom dancing sounds legit.

rn im listening to chum by earl sweatshirt tho. good song.

I'm not a big fan of Odd Future, and that's all I know Earl Sweatshirt from.

Ballroom dancing sounds pretty sweet.

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Hi.

Scum, fyi, I'm a VT with no intention of participating to any notable degree until D4 or so, or when all my other games end.

That is all.

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seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

It's basically impossible for me to be scum here. *shrug*

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Well, I personally feel anyone whose seen me as scum, as you have, should be well aware of how unlikely I am to say the above aa scum.
Of course, on the other hand, I AM a clever motherfucker, so fuck it, maybe I should be null to everybody.

Yeah.
That sounds about right. Null.

Drixx: just cause I said null to everybody doesn't mean you get to default to null reading me.

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VOTE: House

real vote - not wanting to talk about Expedience until kraska flips makes sense if you really, really think kraska is scum - so I wanna see a really real case for kraska being scum.

You should have thought about that before preemptively voting me.

I don't respond favorably to bullshit like threats or pressure, so if you want something from me you can unvote me and come to me with a civilized request.

VOTE: Norvicodin

On principle.

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VOTE: House

real vote - not wanting to talk about Expedience until kraska flips makes sense if you really, really think kraska is scum - so I wanna see a really real case for kraska being scum.

You should have thought about that before preemptively voting me.

I don't respond favorably to bullshit like threats or pressure, so if you want something from me you can unvote me and come to me with a civilized request.

VOTE: Norvicodin

On principle.

Principles are important. A man that doesn't stand by their principles is no man at all.

Having said that, how productive do you think you're being right now?

Not at all. I haven't even read the game.

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Well, I personally feel anyone whose seen me as scum, as you have, should be well aware of how unlikely I am to say the above aa scum.
Of course, on the other hand, I AM a clever motherfucker, so fuck it, maybe I should be null to everybody.

Yeah.
That sounds about right. Null.

Drixx: just cause I said null to everybody doesn't mean you get to default to null reading me.

I don't remember you other than your hydra partner was scum

That's weird, given that I do about 90% of the posting in hydra I'm part of. Ah well.

Actually, house, I'm probably being way more productive than planned. The original point of my post was purely for the lols to see how drixx reacted to it, since he knows I LOATHE people claiming things early, even VT, since their entire "power" is to distract scum and make em waste shots thst could be aimed at actual PRs. Oh, and to increase the chances that I'd live till late game without having to put any effort into the game.

I think I just ruined both those objectives, but in exchange for that it is, as I said, basically impossible for me to be scum, probably.

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look at house overselling himself
and look at this meaningless poking at nothing

You realise I'm not actually jester, right?

That's irrelevant. You just painted a target on your head for scum that might think there's more than one scum faction.

VOTE: mhgsmith
That gif was fucking awful

Does it make him scum?

but the most swell part is the dissonance between what he offers and what he expects from people: "im gonna vote kraska and not explain shit and expect ppl to vote wiz me but oh noes why the fuck are u voting me for my vote that i cant backup"
all house has done so far is pretend he's contributing sth meaningful

Is that better or worse than me declaring that I do not intend to contribute anything meaningful?

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There are always idiots that will believe strongly worded bullshit. You're also claiming that you didn't see it so its very possible that you are chainsaw defending House here and claiming that I didn't explain my House scumread.

I'm not, I don't even think he's town. But people are wagoning him for completely null things

I'm wagoning him because he demanded someone else unvote him before they have a civilized conversation. So, you're not wrong.

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SC, wtf? How do you not always think I'm scum if lengthy reasoning is automaticallly categorized as "scum trying too hard?

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Hi SirCakez, you were going to hydra with me but then I realized that all the hydra spots were filled.

Maker of Zanos, which player is which name?

TIL I was going to hydra with Expedience

SC, wtf? How do you not always think I'm scum if lengthy reasoning is automaticallly categorized as "scum trying too hard?

Because I know you always try really hard

You were in A Musical Mafia, so you know that isn't true.

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SC, wtf? How do you not always think I'm scum if lengthy reasoning is automaticallly categorized as "scum trying too hard?

Lengthy doesn't have much to do with it.

It's overqualified with frail phrases in every sentence, but that's really just why it sounds intuitively bad to me. Like when he says "its weird / i dont understand how house does [superficial scumtell]"

What's your opinion of Skrub?

I hold no opinions at this stage of the game.

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Not really. Just look at my first post. I'm at 0% effort, just posting because I'm in bed and comfy and don't feel like getting up yet. I'm just reading what's posted and if something pops into my head, posting it. Not doing any analysis or even following along with who said what.

Hard to have opinions when you're living life one post at a time.

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VOTE: Expedience

Momentum!

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Guys lets get rid of Cerberus


VOTE: Cerberusv666

This is not a rabbit hole you want to go down.

Good luck to you though.

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Hi SirCakez, you were going to hydra with me but then I realized that all the hydra spots were filled.

Maker of Zanos, which player is which name?

TIL I was going to hydra with Expedience

SC, wtf? How do you not always think I'm scum if lengthy reasoning is automaticallly categorized as "scum trying too hard?

Because I know you always try really hard

You were in A Musical Mafia, so you know that isn't true.

I remember you trying pretty hard in Musical

You are incorrect. Laziest game I've ever played. You only think that because I saved towns ass with my two vigs on scum. ^^

Guys lets get rid of Cerberus


VOTE: Cerberusv666

This is not a rabbit hole you want to go down.

Good luck to you though.

Don't threaten me. Im a trained vet.

I don't make threats. You don't know me, and what I've shown this game is certainly not going to inform you, so I just felt you should know in advance that what your proposing never works, and just makes things messy.

Pedit: screw you Road Kamelot! You're not the boss of me!

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Also who are you kamelot!! Betray your main(or the at you played with me under)! I deserve to know. :p

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Yes I am! Now continue to do the opposite of coasting, Cerb! <3
Norvicodin is super super bleh. Dunno what's up there. Lets try reading Drixx when he shows up

Pedit: Youll have to kill me for it! Secrets stay secret.
Dont worry bout it, Im bad at meta anyway! If i start bringing it up as reasons to read someone, feel free to lynch~

Promise you weren't an asshole in your other life?

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Cross my heart, hope to be WotCed... I was well-liked. 'Was' bc this account is my new main, the other is inactive. Let's get along again~
btw Vedith is town

pedit: oohhhh, and Nero too! Nice job

Mmmm I can probably figure out who you are now but I'm lazy, so you're lucky.

Cerb idk about meta that shit got nothing to do with me

I work in the present.

It's not meta.

It's skill and playstyle. I don't do lynches. Just not a thing I let happen to me, therefore any such attempt will just cause a bunch of noise in the thread.

That's all I'm saying.

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VOTE: vifam

You smell.

~Jasper

Hi Yume. Why did you claim Ein?

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Cerb if you figured out who i was Id be so tickled. I gave you enough hints but considering i switched posting styles along with gender you might have a bit of a hard time

Nero how do you know its MB though hm? My man my dude

Well, my first game wasn't until 2015 sometime. That, combined with what you just said about THIS being the alt originally, means I can certainly narrow things down significantly by looking at my previous games and seeing who has an account at least older than May 2014, who isn't playing in this game. That'll probably be a pretty short list, and from there I expect it wouldn't be too difficult by cross referencing your game history and posting activity with all the suspects. I'd ignore gender and posting style though, it would all be based on activity and exclusions due to rule violations. ;p

Pedit: oh, my bad. Titus, why did you claim Ein?

I'm fairly certain there is only one named dog in the show. I may be wrong, in the process of rewatching.

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Cerb idk about meta that shit got nothing to do with me

I work in the present.

It's not meta.

It's skill and playstyle. I don't do lynches. Just not a thing I let happen to me, therefore any such attempt will just cause a bunch of noise in the thread.

That's all I'm saying.

The thought of you tryharding and crying when you're on the verge of being lynched is pretty funny tbh but if it's gonna be hardwork you're right Im not that interested

The only time I've been mislynched as town is in my sig, and 1) you are no RC, 2) it only happened because someone accidentally triggered a double vote, and 3) it took HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of posts.

I've only ever been lynched as scum as the last member of my team to go down.

So yeah, gonna be a lot of work.

Anyways. I'm being forced out of bed, so you'll all be spared my presence for awhile.

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(Before anyone says anything about that stupid newbie game I replaced into for Drixx, no, it doesn't count, the game was a mess and there was no winner, and I was only part of the PoE pool because Thor arguably used a trust tell. So there. ;p )

Pedit; interesting. I really am quite lazy and probably won't look it up now, but if I ever have no game going on....maybe then.

Peditx2: as I said, just making you aware Vifam. :p

Peditx3: the game is large enough that I would expect people to have a very bad idea of estimating what indicates MB or not, or at least HOW multiball things are. If your team is 4 strong, does that mean there are two teams? 3, with no scum protectives and town vigs and expectations of cross kills?

They should definitely know if it's multiball period though, with the only exception being if it's single ball with a a sk, they won't know about that most likely.

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@rach: I waa not related to homestuck in any way. The only game we've played toget her was gistou.

I am crafty though.

^^

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What reaction would you not apply that logic to, and why? Consider this a game theory question, i dont think your opinion on it is alignment indicative.
But something RELATED to the game... do yall have a read on Skrub yay or nay

1. Reactions are a ridiculous thing to base your reads off of. Instead, read between the lines, and find

why

they would say what they said. Only then will you findeth the pearl of truth amidst the ocean of shit. (quote from my last game's postgame)
2. I have no concrete reads. Just a couple things that intrigue me that certain people have said.

And those things are?

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You babes need to slow down and let me show you why I'm called D-N-A.... Dandy. Why I'm called Dandy.
-V

I wish I were in this hydra.

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I don't RP. And I am both a nerd and a tactical genius.

Random ilu, can I just sheep you until d5?

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I could policy lynch this just because reading his posts is so painful

Which this are you referring to?

Also, what's the hot new wagon I can throw my vote onto to keep us ever flowing towards a lynch before the page count gets out of hand?

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drixx wagon imo

Expedience could be scum with Drixx or just the victim of House scum-framing. I always get bad feelings about town expedience and I have bad feelings so no idea what to make of it. skrub feels like a counterwagon to something else. i think drixx is the best vote rn

p-edit: willing to let vifam live to Lylo even if scum just for entertainment value

Unfortunately, I think this will be more interesting.

VOTE: Skrub

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Yes rb, I would absolutely break meta this hard as scum.

I've already placed more votes this game than in my last 2 games combined. :p

Nice try Vifam. :p

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pls don't self meta?

Just stating facts kts.
Well, a fact, and an implication.

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Yes rb, I would absolutely break meta this hard as scum.

I've already placed more votes this game than in my last 2 games combined. :p

Nice try Vifam. :p

i meant, i think you're not scum but agree you'd be a bad person to have alive late game if you are

Valid point.

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Cerb, who are you voting right now?

My vote history:
House/Drixx hydra because House told someone else to unvote him in order to have a civil conversation.
Expedience because that wagon was gaining momentum.
Now Skrub because I wanted to move that wagon to 7 votes and expediences to 5 and see what happened.

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And it seems what happened was people started voting for rachmarie.
O.o

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Cerb, who are you voting right now?

My vote history:
House/Drixx hydra because House told someone else to unvote him in order to have a civil conversation.
Expedience because that wagon was gaining momentum.
Now Skrub because I wanted to move that wagon to 7 votes and expediences to 5 and see what happened.

What is your current read on RachMarie?
I know it'd be asking a lot to get you to move your vote one more time but you're embodying the lazy play and I'd love your help in producing some bodies and thinning the herd as painlessly as possible.

I don't have a read on rachmarie. She thought I was Ceph, and then remembered I was scum in our only game together. That's all I remember about her slot.

Anyways, until someone does something that is obvtown /obvscum to me, I'm just going to be floating around to the strongest wagons, ensuring there's constantly increasing pressure on someone, with momentum on that wagon.

So, get rachmarie up to 6 votes at least and I'll join you guys.

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Kts they're trying to make me play mafia.

Help.

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Anyways, until someone does something that is obvtown /obvscum to me, I'm just going to be floating around to the strongest wagons, ensuring there's constantly increasing pressure on someone, with momentum on that wagon.

You could do this and have absolutely no impact of the game at all, which I'm sure will serve you well if you're scum.
As an alternative, you could align with a block of people who agree with you philosophically (me/vifam/spyrex/kts) and together we can change how this day is played out.

Mmm. You've never seen me as scum have you nacho? I guess I can let that comment pass.

I'll consider your suggestion, mainly because it will take less work than constantly hopping wagons.

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Cerberus are you just gonna bring up how you don't play like this everytime someone accuses you of doing something suspect? Is that really what you're gonna do? This is the way you play basketball?

He didn't accuse me of anything? He said playing in a certain way would be helpful were I scum.

And yes, actually, if someone suggests I'm doing something that I know doesn't make sense I'll totally tell them.

Of course, you should note that I have tempered these comments by also noting that I'm pretty tricksy, so it might not as simple as that.

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Not moving my vote until I catch up

Why not?
There's no reason you can't move your vote back later, correct?

He's one of those guys who don't like to be wrong so they put a lot of thought into their vote

It's cute

Otherwise I'll end up throwing uninformed votes everywhere before I settle, nobody needs to see that

On the contrary. If you accompanied each vote with a quote indicating what part of the game you're at/what pushed you over the edge, that would INCREDIBLY informative and everyone should see it.

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@DGB, what you said is untrue. Expedience and Skrub were tied at the last VC. Since then, I moved my vote from Expedience to skrub, meaning skrub was thelargest wagon.I'm not certain that's still true, given the movement tiwards rach, HOWEVER I also find it very unlikely that you were keeping track of vote movements and knew where all the wagons were at the time of that post, which begs the question: why Expedience over Skrub?

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so why are we flashwagoning maker?

doesnt really register as scum for me

actually i have too many townreads, can scum just claim pls?

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This game is funny because there's like 12 people who are pretty much impossible to lynch regardless of alignment and then there's everyone else.

QFT.

Needs more vigs.

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Expedience, what's so hard to parse about that? He's not confident I'm town, and doesn't believe we should be leaving wagons based on composition. Simple.

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I don't need the TLDR I am going to read Sunday morning. Go to D&D then Read Sunday.

The question is why do you think I'd ever do a naked vote on someone without reading?

Tell me all about your D&D Math! Edition? What race/class are you playing? What campaign are you in?

-Cerb

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@Kraska you should just wait until someone is at l-2, and has claimed etc, and then whenever it becomes clear they'll be the lynch for today, shoot them, so we get two lynches!

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Lol, got it. Sounds fun. Martials>casters, just more fun to figure out how ro make your character interesting since innately you sorta aren't. .::p

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Oh, fyi math, your predecessors claimed to be Ein.

Well, they claimed to be a dog, and then tried to act like there was some other dog on the show they could be.

Pedit: You misunderstand me math. Mechanically, Martials just...do things, while casters do world altering crap. This means being a bad ass as a martial generally requires more investment on the part of the player, and that means they, in my experience, tend to be more interesting characters.

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Good night Math!

I wish I were a dayvig. I've never been one.

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We should really just use them all D1 in the manner I described for Kraska.

Give town 6 vote controlled flips before the first night.

Sounds pretty awesome imo.

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Sorry DS, distractions have come, and I'm going to be for reals inactive as originally planned.

Also, you should probably lynch expedience. As soon as my vote left him, the two wagons that were on top became MoZ and Skrub somehow.

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Rb seems town

how do you feel about the idea of getting dayvigged on day 1 by me for the second time?

Plz don't, randomidget lIves matter.

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y he gotta be useless in every game

Cuz he's my homie yo.

Besides, you should do what I said for reals. Convert day vigs into lynches. Maximize town informaton D1.

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Skrub and expedience were at 6, I moved to skrub and made votes 5:7 in favor of skrub, then rachmarie wagon was attempted, and converted to a maker wagon.

My earlier analysis was flawed. Both skrub and expedience look pretty bad as a result of that wagon progression. All preflip of course, but neither slot looks great.

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Katrina Solensan : Ever been to Mars?
Spike : I was born on Mars!
Katerina : I hear they have everything there! Not like here. There are parks, festivals and the people are happy there!

Vote Count 1.6

Norvicodin (5): Nero Cain , kraska77 , rb , Cerberus v666 , Skrub
kraska77 (3): Norvicodin , mhsmith0 , SpyreX
Skrub (3): grapes , Expedience , SirCakez
Space Dandy (1): Killthestory
The Ascended Masters (1): Road Kamelot
rb (1): pisskop
DiamondSentinel (1): Albert B. Rampage
Giovanni il Pellegrino (1): Nosferatu
Nosferatu (1): Giovanni il Pellegrino
Expedience (1): RachMarie
Albert B. Rampage (1): Panzerjager
RachMarie (1): Klingoncelt
grapes (1): davesaz
Nero Cain (1): Maker_of_Zanos

Not Voting (10): randomidget , Sekirei , The Ascended Masters , Space Dandy , DrippingGoofball , Vifam , Mirhawk , Vedith , PeregrineV , DiamondSentinel

With 32 players alive it takes 17 votes to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2016-10-29 06:10:00)

Note: Finally! Space Dandy is Shiro/Varsoon hydra!

cerb before the expedience wagon was the norvi wagon

I know, I was on it. :p it's not relevant to the sudden rise of an MoZ wagon though.

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ari, how you feeling wrt reads.

drixx, math, im still pointing you guys out.

kraska, ds, maker, rb do you have relevant things to say?

cerbrus, abr, davesaz fuggin do something sometim, kthnx


kts, vifam, appreciate the entertainment i do but lets get together

No.

@Math: you don't fucking know Drixx. Keep your opinions of him to yourself or we will have some serious fucking problems here.

The toxic, ruin this game real fucking fast for everyone sort of problem.

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Let's all be happy now.

I also apologize math, my response was a bit much, I really don't like people attacking other people on a personal level, especially when I've known their target for like a decade now.

VOTE: MoZ

This is how we make today end right?

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Drixx, come sheep me and everyone else. You too math. That'll put us at l-1.

Games this size have huge momentum. This wagon isn't going to shrink, so let's just move on to the next stage of the process.

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Oh, kraskas vote means that what I suggested lynches, instead of putting them at l-1.

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fucking jet died.

So, vig killed grapes, SK/vicious killed rb, and two different kills were directed at vifam?

@FA: is that kill flavor on vifam indicative of one sort of kill, or two?

Also, would vifams gunsmith have worked on the individual with the katana/explosives/biological warfare?

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Why did the skrub wagon die SC?

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Pretty sure if nacho is scum, he is the last member of the scum team we should be concerned about lynching.

But ya know, fuck it, I'm just here so I won't be fined.

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Nacho scum would have not killed rb or vifam. If you're gonna be in this train of strongarming that's why.

The only caveat would be if team bebop cola ruined it and vifam claimed.

Valid point. No reason to kill members of the train of people willing to just vote anyone to make the game smaller.

Pedit: naw he isn't SC. Primarily because 75% of the time he'll be town, and FAR more useful there than anywhere else.

I'm addition, if there are any more cops in this game (which there almost certainly are) they WILL check him. 100%. Sooner rather than later.

He's a late game paranoia lynch and a mandatory cop check, and an invaluable asset to town.

Dumb to wagon him at this stage.

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Nope. Weve already got more content from you than all game with this wagon. Good wagons generate content.


p: @ cerbrus

I'm confused. What exactly are you saying to me?

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Whoops, forgot i quoted that
I quoted it cause i wanted to ask why the read there changed, what prompted it?
change expedience to 'could be town'

There's nothing in your posts I can specifically point to. I just read your ISO again and changed my mind, the posts I though sounded fake sound natural when I look at them again.

Town
This is so @myself im crying

Cerb is scum, I'm suddenly completely sure about this. Do you know why Cerb

I'm super intrigued to hear you tell me why!

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Wait, Cerb is in this game??
How did I just notice this!?

Cuz I'm deliberately playing like shit. Check my iso yo. Meta breaking and shit.

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Keep posting.

Does this mean you decided in my alignment already and 1) want me to give away my scum buddies, or 2) sheep my wisdom, or dies it mean you want me to post more so you can figure me out?

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Oh, also, fyi all, here's an update on Drixxs alignment.

Exactly three possibilities exist.

Drixx is a town poison doc.
Drixx is part of a scum ream which has a poison doc/protection of some sort, ehich he may be the possessor of.
Drixx IS the poisoner.

Unfortunately, his while claim into replace out into changing his mind thing doesn't help me figure out which one of these he is, BUT it is absolutely impossible for him to be anything but one of these

Slightly more likely than not that he's actually the poison doc, since only being angry town explains him EVER claiming his role like that, now that I think about it, and he wouldn't lie ro us about being legitimately upset.

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Also, wtf is that last post rach?

"I LEGITIMATELY THOUGHT MASTER WAS SCUM"
.Oh really? Are you in the business of voting for people who you don't think are scum normally?

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Couldnt pinpoint what i disliked about that post but now that you put it like that
its the preemptive defensiveness about that wagon that i did not like from Rach

And the blatant unpromptrd flavor crumb.

Rach is either scum or a PR, there is NO other reason to crumb flavor in this game, given that it's not role madness.

So as a PR, why the hell are you preemptively setting up for a claim later while simultaneously painting a target on your forehead?

As scum, it certainly makes sense though.

....


*sigh*

Someone with more experience with Rach tell me if that makes sense? I know she gets into flavor, but does she get so into it that she would make a terrible misplay for its sake as town?

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uggh I typed the wrong name

I meant Maker

We knew what you meant. That doesn't actually help at all.

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3), cerb. Lurkers need to not lurk.

Spoiler: activity overview hereto

I'm really not lurking though? By my standards I guess I am, but my presence is about average so far.

Pedit: ah valid point. Discussion stifling kills?

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Things wrong :
Mathblade
Masters
Nero
Expedience
Rachmarie
Skrub prolly
Dave
Ceberus
Aristophanes
Spyrex
Kraska

I feel like more. But jesus half the game on the wrong side of murderball and thats if i missed some

What does this post mean?

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(Method is ALWAYS superior to result, because it's only by learning and applying superior methodology that we become better players. Judging things based on results alone is incorrect and does little to help one either convince others, or become a better player.)

Fyi all, he way I'm playing this game is when I become available to check in, I read from.the top of the current page, and keep reading along and responding for as long as I'm available, so I have PERFECT knowledge of the pages I'm commenting on, but complete ignorance of what happened between times when I checked in. I'm not even keeping track of what page I waa on before.

So, what's going on everyone?

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Oh, also, DS, stop being a dick about pronouns.

Have some respect for the other players. Thats what the pronoun thing is about. It has NOTHING to do with what's important to you. It's about showing respect for the wishes of others in a manner that costs you nothing.

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I sorta like kraska as town though.

Kraska do you have a gun?

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No. I have a list of 5ish people that I want gone, I don't care about their alignments. I hate mafia, I'm only here for the flavor and I want this to be as smooth as possible and as little antagonistic behavior as possible. So all the rude, antagonistic people are out. We can scumhunt later.

I deleted the misquote of my first opening post. ~FA

Who do you want gone, and why are you willing to play mafia now?

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What Drixx guilty?

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What Drixx guilty?

If 1769 is not a guilty then I'm not sure what it is.

Oh lol. Thats super not a guilty. Remember, I'm VT. And also, in that same post, towards the end, I realize his behavior is more likely to come from legitimately emotionally distressed drixx than scum of any type Drixx.

The phrasing I used is because I know Drixx better than EVERYONE else here , to the tune of hundreds of hours of time spent talking to the man, and several novels worth of discussion about mafia ...so, just sharing my experienced insight into the significance of his father limited contributions so far.

I should have probably let you kept thinking it was a guilty to see what happened, but I'm way too cull aboUT this particular game to be that devious.

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Umm, because everyone here should take my reads on Drixx as absolutely 100% accurate.

Duh.

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Drixx is a town poison doc.
Drixx is part of a scum ream which has a poison doc/protection of some sort, ehich he may be the possessor of.
Drixx IS the poisoner.

I think a town one would claim/not use their action.

So the other 2 are more likely.

How is this post consistent with thinking 1769 is a guilty?

It's not. NC is not making sense.

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Anywaus, going to sleep now..see you guys in 20 pages.

Oh, there's also more to my Drixx read than just what I said. More reason to think he's town, that is.

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Random, why are you in all my games all the time?

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Well yeah, flavor, let's break the game with it, because it's important. Or the kills wouldn't be seperated like that.

Jason would give each person with a killing ability different flavor, so you could know if the same person did the kill.

But, despite any wording, they were all standard kills blocked by bulletproof or detectable by Gunsmith.

I bring this up since we already had a Gunsmith flip.

Umm. FA already noted that the kills are different, and that the flavor is significant. We obviously don't know how they function with different forms of protection, but we do know that gunsmith would have only found those who have a gun, not just a killing ability.

So...the kill flavors are important. Why did you try to act like they weren't.

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I already asked those questions in my first post today. What exactly is your point?

Kill flavors allow town to identify what faction performed what kills, and greatly enhances any sort of vca or nka they may do.

And yes, could "break" the game if said methods are effective.

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DS why am I scum?

Pisskop, what do you mean? Site meta is moving towards gut bullshit, and we're not using gut bullshit, so that's a problem for you?

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How is poison doc speculation when it was outright claimed by someone on D1?

And again, I still fail to see your point...your just telling us shit we already know.

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I really hate the way you're looking for anything to throw at me.

and you aren't doing the same thing?

This is a scumclaim, though, really.

Maker of Zanos did the same thing, and while they were town lying about their reads, Nero isn't.

I dislike this.

They're different people, playing different roles. It's ridiculous that you somehow find it relevant to say "x did the same thing, but this time it means something different".

No fucking shit. They aren't the same player in the same slot. That bit if your post is just noise and fluff, what was the point of bringing that up and preempting a possible defense?

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Are you not reading the thread or something? You know why people are voting for Kraska, right? Because we think an informant in the pt told her Vifam was gonna check her and they killed vifam. Kraska is as suspicous as everyone in the pt. I don't understand why you would make a post like this

If you were scum and someone claimed cop that was going to investigate a townie, wouldn't you kill them anyways?

How?

TAM is echoing my sentiments here, wrt the logic.

QFT.

Sit me down and explain why we would lynch kraska for being the buddy of a mole.

is that your only/main reason?

I just explained it. Read it over again. And yes, that's the main reason

Pedit: it's not an info lynch. Its pretty likely that Kraska is scum. If she's town, then I'll just shut up for the rest of the game and wallow in depression about how much I suck

Umm, why is it pretty likely kraska is scum?

Strictly speaking, math wise, it's almost exactly as likely kraska is scum as any of the remaining members of the pt are. The dead cop doesn't make them more likely to be scum, it's actually wholly irrelevant.

Also, Vifam is really dumb for claiming in the pt and for not checking the pt members first in order to turn it into a potential masonry.

With that said, lynching within the hood is also dumb with the lack of knowledge of the setup we currently possess.

For example, I expect the bebop to have one representative from each set of group scum in the game, but we don't know how many group scum there are (flavorwise, I just realized the biological weapons/explosives are probably from.the terrorist group in that one early episode, the ones who wanted to release a virus on this planet to turn everyone into apes). Considering that the katana is almost certainly from vicious, and he would be the stand in for the regular mafia faction, unless he's actually a strongman with unique flavor WITHIN his faction, I sorta expect only one large group scum, and a number of killing 3p sort of roles...which would mean lynching within the bebop group is probably inferior to lynching outside of it, since every mislynch within makes the potential masonry smaller.

Lot of words, pretty stream of consciousness, but in short, I say investigatives sort out the bebop crew and we lynch the scum in there when we find them and call it good, and we go find real scum outside of the crew.

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Actually.

Hey bebop members: what exactly did vifam claim? This is very important.

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DS why am I scum?

Pisskop, what do you mean? Site meta is moving towards gut bullshit, and we're not using gut bullshit, so that's a problem for you?

Your whole "If you see me not doing shit, that's because I'm not doing anything deliberately because fuck meta" really pisses me off.

It's either anti-town or downright scum. Either of which warrants death.

I'm not doing anything deliberately because fuck meta? I'm not doing anything because I'm being lazy and I have other games I'd rather focus on until I get to the part of the game I'm best at. ^^

The fact that doing so is out of character for me is just icing really.

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DS, I do care, just not enough to do more than I'm doing now...which is, by the way, more than approximately 70% of the players in this game.

So there's that.

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Hey ABR, sup man?

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VOTE: Expedience
Protection of Cakez feels really odd.

I actually find Cakez rather towny.

Cakez alignment is irrelevant to whether expediences protection feels odd or not.

If scum, defending buddy.
If town, white knighting.

Important thing is whether or not the protection makes sense etc.

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Hey ABR, sup man?

Hey Cerb. Not super confident, lots of new players, few players whose judgment I trust. What's up with you?

Chillin man, seeing what it's like to be one of those players I always scream at. :p

Any thoughts on this whole "scum definitely killed vifam to protect kraska even though the kill used on vifam wasn't one that vifam would have detected therefore his death actually ISN'T proof of a mole in the bebop at all" thing?

Pedit mirhawk, read my recent stream of consciousness wall, I sorta identify who thr explosives/bio weapon faction is.

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Is Drixx town?

Almost certainly.

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Vote: Mirhawk

Scumscumscum
Look at them. Not even addressing accusations or the wagon on them.

Expe could be scum WKing yeah
But Nero is probably scum too

I'm not white knighting you, Nero is making terrible posts related to you but he isn't calling you scum.

Its what he was implying

Also - I'm being hesitant to go to kraska because this reminds me of Shadowrun where Lilith and I got a mason claim from house and he was coincedently NKed that night. Then everyone took it as a "guilty" and lynched us.
Feels like similar thing.
ABR and Math can confirm this.

Confirming it's a similar event, but circumstances are wildly different overall and you should be able to find myriad other reasons to not join that wagon.

Is Drixx town?

Almost certainly.

To expand on this: his anger was real, and there is no way scum drixx claims and asks to be replaced in a moment of anger.

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Like I don't have a lot of time right now but the reasons for killing kraska seem like moonbeams when we have confirmed scum in the neighborhood. If your scumbuddy saw a town PR claiming to investigate

anyone

, friend or foe, wouldn't you kill the shit out of that town PR?

The PGO claim doesn't really make sense as a claim coming from scum in this position. I'll have more to say once kraska answers the previous questions.

Confirmation of scum in the neighborhood only makes sense if Vifram WASN'T killed by the PGO. Which is probably not the case.

Confirmation of scum in the neighborhood doesn't exist under ANY circumstances.

Vifam could have ONLY found individuals with guns.

He was not killed by someone with a gun.

Therefore his death doesn't mean shit.

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Did we lynch Kraska yet?

If not, has she claimed?

I don't have the mental capacity to sort you all atm.

Kraskas not gonna get lynched today. Do you have another suggestion?

Pedit: yeah, as I suspected. The kill means nothing.

@FA if someone is targeted by multiple kills, how do you determine which flavor to show?

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Pedit mirhawk, read my recent stream of consciousness wall, I sorta identify who thr explosives/bio weapon faction is.

I see it. Were there any named characters in that faction though? My knowledge about the flavor is mostly from reading up on the wiki, which game me some ideas about who it could be but I'm not totally sure.

I concur about vicious.

There was Mother. I believe? Maybe Mama? She did have a name, there was a huge bounty on her specifically.

@aristophanes: first wagon of the day, pushed with weak ass logic that actually doesn't make any sense at all? Nope, that's not gonna be the person we lynch today, unless everyone gets lazy and nobody else(who isn't fucking nacho) gets suggested.

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Spyrex, why would a faction that does not use guns kill a cop who only finds guns?

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Are you seriously suguesting that the scum team knows kills have different flavors, and once they saw someone claim gunsmith, they didn't ask FA if it would catch them, and just assumed it would?

That's a shitty argument spyrex. The entire kraska push is bullshit based on more bullshit, and now you're trying to say that we should just kynch them anyways because they're gonna have to get kynched eventually.

The ONLY thing about kraska that's questiobable is not claiming pgo D1, BUT....why thr hell would they claim it now if they're scum? How does that help them?

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I hate my phone. Why would it autocorrect lynch to kynch, or NOT autocorrect kynch to lynch if I made that typo?

Word, nos? Are you saying word to nosferatu? Or do you mean something else?

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DS, this is all complicated by kraskas pgo claim, which provides another explanation for vifams death.

Spyrex, wtf are you saying? 1 non scum kill? 2 non town kills? There's no reason why all the kills couldn't be from anti-town factions.
My point is that the kill on vifam means NOTHING with regards to kraskas alignment, or that of those in the hood.

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Yes, because protections and roleblocks aren't things, and we naturally see the result of every attempted kill every day.

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You seem to feel that I'm demanding some super high standard of proof. I'm not.
I'm just pointing out why all these people are wrong. Their fundamental assumptions about the situation don't make sense.

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He was not killed by someone with a gun.

Therefore his death doesn't mean shit.

Well, we know that the kill flavor wasn't guns. It's not an incredibly large stretch to assume guns on the terrorist faction.

True.

Let me rephrase.

Unless the same faction that killed him bas access to two different kill flavors, one of which involves a gun, his death doesn't mean shit.
Better?

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The ONLY thing about kraska that's questiobable is not claiming pgo D1, BUT....why thr hell would they claim it now if they're scum? How does that help them?

To add to this, there seems to be an argument that kraska is claiming PGO to cover for neighborhood buddies (at least this is the only argument that makes any shred of sense to me), but this obviously doesn't hold once kraska flips anything but PGO. The claim doesn't explain Vifam death in a satisfactory way that doesn't incriminate kraska and it doesn't extend her lifespan. Not claiming it immediately is not really questionable considering join date.

*nods*

By the way, this is the reason why those of you trying to get nacho lynched early are being dumb.

Even if he's scum, he's scum who makes fucking sense and will act in a pro town fashion and figure shit out. Especially so if this is multiball(as it likely is)

And if he's not scum, then you just fucked up majorly.

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Pgo was a panic fuck up claim to explain the kill as town instead of going i have nothing to do with this. It also cant be verified.

Unless someone can fling people at someone id be fine with that my role isn't super neat

A panic fuck up claim made hours later, to explain a kill they had planned with their team during the previous night phase?

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It's mechanically likely that there's scum in the hood, but there's no objective evidence in favor of it. It's all setup spec. Manx I'm gonna stop talking about this. Do what you all want.

TAM, please explain the shift from Rach to MoZ, and why both of those were better than the wagons thst existed prior to them.

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People are dumb kraska. Chillax yo. You only get lynched today if people get lazy. Lazier than me thst is.

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So yeah who do we lynch to actually get scum kraska? Thoughts?

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@FA: is that kill flavor on vifam indicative of one sort of kill, or two?

Also, would vifams gunsmith have worked on the individual with the katana/explosives/biological warfare?

It indicates one kill

and no. It would only detect gun's

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Yep..the entire premise of today's discussion is fundamentally flawed.

I recommend resetting, disregarding all preconceptions, and figuring shit out anew.

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I know right?

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All these players and they can't even keep up a conversation

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So how are you FA?

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I swear this

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isn't

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Spam

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FA I spammed to let you put the VC at a page top and you didn't put it there!

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TAM, please explain the shift from Rach to MoZ, and why both of those were better than the wagons thst existed prior to them.

I didn't like the House wagon post-replace out; entirely a gut read, but one that I was willing to stand behind Day 1.

I didn't like the Expedience wagon; didn't understand it, thought that he looked town. I don't remember my exact reasoning for it at this moment but his interactions with me when I engaged him on Rach/MoZ wagons looked good and confirmed the town read I had there.

I joined Rach because that's what Vifam wanted. I thought she seemed okay not good; her responses towards me started to trend towards good. I joined MoZ because that was what SpyreX wanted; I thought that their initial pushes looked fake as shit when they began posting. I softened on them a bit when I asked Smith to make the case to save them but not so much where I thought derailing the wagon and pushing elsewhere had a good chance for a solid return.

And the Skrub wagon? You know, the one that was actually in the lead before you started making votes bleed to MoZ and rach?

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Random, why are you in all my games all the time?

low key stalking

VOTE: Expedience
Protection of Cakez feels really odd.

I didn't even defend him. I was clarifying a misunderstanding and then I realized Nero was scum.

You are going after anyone who goes after Cakez.

I agree with Cerb's theory crafting.
Kraska is probs town.
Nero could be scum.

But I think you're always signed up first. That's some prescient fucking stalking there.

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no my argument is u didnt acknowledge the existence of that wagon. stopp pretending to be obtuse and twisting my words
you didnt have a stance on the zanos wagon. like there were people who said they were town, there were people who said they were scum and then there's you
i would give you leeway if it looked like you were just behind on stuff but it looked like u were keeping up just fine, you just didnt have anything to say on the main events of today or yesterday

Why is this a problem from Vedith but not from me?

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DS: but I know I'm not!!!! I never check playerlists before I sign up for games! I only care about moderators and themes.

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i just skimmed the thread, and it's a lot more useless stuff.

you all suck at scumhunting. seriously.

Even me?

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only sometimes cerb : )

Yeah, sounds about right. ^^

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no my argument is u didnt acknowledge the existence of that wagon. stopp pretending to be obtuse and twisting my words
you didnt have a stance on the zanos wagon. like there were people who said they were town, there were people who said they were scum and then there's you
i would give you leeway if it looked like you were just behind on stuff but it looked like u were keeping up just fine, you just didnt have anything to say on the main events of today or yesterday

Why is this a problem from Vedith but not from me?

cerb why do u keep asking me this
its scummy af
u havent dodged zanos wagon yesterday or the vifam drama today so im not sure what ure getting at here?

Luckily I don't concern myself with how scummy things I do appear to be.

The point of the question is I just sorta hopped on the wagon and gave no opinion about MoZ at any point. It's inconsistent of you to attack Vedith for doing so while letting others slide. There may be others who didn't he same too who you're also being inconsistent about, and I'm just not following the game closely enough to identify who those slots are.

I did miss the part where you referenced today's events as well, so that is a difference sure, but is it such a difference as to make up for my lazy opportunistic voting yesterday?

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So, PL 1/3rd of the game, and just hope our vig (s) manage to shoot some scum for us?

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Pisskop, have I ever seen you as scum? Your behavior seems weird to me, but I don't know if it's because you're obvtowning for the first time in my experience, or because you're scum.

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I dont know if weve even had the pleasure of playing before?

We've played together in a few games.

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Gah! I thought Shiro had this, but maybe shiro though I had this.
Okay, okay.
What do I need to know to get into this game?

There was a guilty on you from DS, Skrub said he saw both DS and Vedith visit you last night...and.


Bah.

Fuck it, too much work, I was gonna construct some crazy scenario and see what you thought, but it's all BS.

There's nothing you need to know..theres a bebop hood which has been outed (I'm sure someone else can tell you the exact membership), Vifam was part of it, obviously, and claimed to be a gunsmith in there, and that he was gonna investigate kraska, who is claiming to be a 2 shot pgo, and then vifam died last night. Drixx had claimed to be a poison doc.

Idk if there's other concrete details you could know, I've barely been following all of this.

Pedit; I never use alts pisskop. I've played in some hydrae, Reasonably Rationaly, Reasonably Irrational, EverImminentIndolence, RAM, and The Cool Cucumbers, but I always sign my posts as Cerb...and I was the last scum lynched in cougars den while hydraing with Drixx, so we did definitely play together there.

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Huh, so I just checked your posting history pisskop, and unless I missed something it looks like we were only together in Cougars Den, but I could have sworn I'd seen you around more often that just that. :/

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@Cerb: I've seen enough of you BS'ing someone on a catchup that I wouldn't fall for it.
As far as I am aware, this game has a lot of roles that I try to avoid.

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How do you know about what roles are in this game?

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I think the first thing to establish is do we believe Varsoon when he says this was accidental?

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Super friends activate form of a power lynch

I think the first thing to establish is do we believe Varsoon when he says this was accidental?

Strange thing to say here. Why not see what he says first and then go from there?

Look at the post above.

Someone votes SD because pisskop says he is "space dandying" this game. Then SD shows up and says fuck, I thought my other head waa dealing with this game right now my bad.

If you're going to vote him for his poor previous behavior, you need to establish whether said behavior was intentional or not.

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Why? You think Cerb is bussing Dandy here?

I'm not even attacking Dandy. O.o

Pedit: ya, this was the inactivity thing, because the only vote unless i got ninjaed only referred the slots inactivity. I asked him about the role thing in a separate post shortly after.

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Seems like almost half the game is lurking at this point.

QFT. Town apathy set in fast.

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KTS already slipped that it was MB on d1

?

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That's all pretty NAI for kts though, I've seen him make exactly one insightful post in spite of seeing him in multiple games. The multiball comment is weird though.

Can you explain that kts? Why you assumed multiball?

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Darn DGB, I was about to gain a smidgeon of respect for you, and you went and ruined it.

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VOTE: Skrub

Random, why is the skrub wagon shit? I want to lynch either slot who the wagon abruptly veered away from yesterday.

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surprisingly harder than I thought to get reads without reading

Ditto.

Also, why isn't nosferatu on that Pl lynch either? Incomplete list yo.

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VOTE: Skrub

Random, why is the skrub wagon shit? I want to lynch either slot who the wagon abruptly veered away from yesterday.

why is skrub scum?

I have no idea. I have natural suspicion for people who have sudden counterwagon rise to defend them, but I'm not involved enough in the game to have any more reason than that.

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Skrub, any push on kraska was shit, is shit, and will remain shit for the rest of this phase. Vifam claimed gunsmith, and died to a means other than a gun, therefore their death is unlikely to have a connection to either the hood, OR kraska.
Varsoon stop defending yourself and start playing mafia. I know you enjoy rhetoric etc, which means letting you prattle on about yourself isn't going to help the game state, it will just get more and more muddled. Go be useful.

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Why? What has Diamond done that warrants a lynch?

He confessed to being scum.
Back in my day, being scum had a penalty of death.

I agree--it should warrant death. There's no reason for town to play that way. Can you show me where he confessed to this?

Varsoon stop defending yourself and start playing mafia. I know you enjoy rhetoric etc, which means letting you prattle on about yourself isn't going to help the game state, it will just get more and more muddled. Go be useful.

Look, ya cheese-eater, I'm going to write whatever I want. You don't govern me!
On the real, I think it's strange that you're framing my content as useless prattle but still positioning yourself as a source of encouragement.
I've been asking plenty of questions to try to get into the game.
What do you think is the most appropriate way to 'be useful'?

I'm no cheese-eater! Okay, maybe I am, but shit thst like should be preserved for inhabitants of WI! And the Swiss!

Expressing opinions helps one be useful. ^^

Actually, shit man, am I town or scum here? Don't believe anybody around except Drixx has a better chance of getting the answer to this right.

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....Driving home.

Any lynch besides Kraska is ridiculous.

You are ridiculous.

Anyone proposing a kraska lynch based on the BS from earlier today is ridiculous.

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Oh shit that looks a lot like distancing guess my cover is blown gg.

But really, though, I'm going through these first 30 pages and I'm tempted to just pull a fucking klingoncelt and start replying to everything from days ago.

omg do it.

It would make me laugh.

Also, answer my question damnit.

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Oh, I specifically dodged it because I don't know. My reads on you and Drixx might be weird because I am used to seeing you both hydra'd up and having tons of communication before each post. Here, I've got to put that nudging gut meta shit aside because it's not helping me at all and it just has me seeing your play as a little too off-the-cuff and oddball, when I'm used to scum-cerb being deathly serious but this might be NAI, so eeeeh.

I'm still catching up.

Sweet, success.

Drixx, catch up to the game so I can get your read too!

....Driving home.

Any lynch besides Kraska is ridiculous.

You are ridiculous.

Anyone proposing a kraska lynch based on the BS from earlier today is ridiculous.

Not BS. People calling something BS doesn't make it BS.

Kraska claiming PGO d2 to get out of a lynch is horrible. Kraska is just scum.

The push on kraska was terrible.

A PGO claim D2 is bad, yes. Absolutely agreed. Anti-town as fuck.

But there is quite literally no other (good) reason for anyone to think they're scum, once people extricated their heads from their asses and realized there was no reason to assume scum within the pool of kraska+hood.

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shhh pisskop..

Calm down.

Anyways. Guys, I just used all there/their/they're all in the same sentence without fucking it up on the internet.

I'd be proud of myself, if I wouldn't have been disappointed in myself had I screwed it up.

Anyways. Someone talk to me about something, I'll be willing to put effort into this game for the next 15 minutes.

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Off the top of my head? <3 Random, he needs to post more but lack of content means nothing from him, davesaz, ari, AND msh have done nothing that jumped out at me at any point, I'd have to actually go look at their ISO's to remind myself what they've done.

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I just went to all their ISO's with the intention of going through one of them if it had less than like 30 posts, but they're all fucking active, wtf pisskop? Ask easy questions next time.

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Panzer and davesaz: you guys agree with

3) There is scum in our hood and Mirhawk keeps insisting it is not the case and posting terribad bullshit in there.

?

Neither of you have seemed interested in pushing Mirhawk in thread so I'm curious if you agree with math's take here, or if you think they're just wrong, or if you think they're bullshitting.

I've already talked about this, but I believe the Kraska claim(or at least I'm willing to test it), so as a result of that, I do not currently believe that there is a scum in the neighborhood. I think this varsoon counterwagon is scummy as hell because I believe it's beating a dead horse.

Math's argument against Kraska is basically that she was scummy d1 and played her claimed role wrong therefore she is scum -> which makes Mirhawk her buddy who gave her the inside info. My counterargument is sometimes people play bad, man. I play bad all the time because I am bad. So if Kraska is bad town then Mirhawk probably isn't scum cause the most damning thing is gone.

I'm in on Skrub, Varsoon,or Exp for now. If something convincing comes up, I can be coerced into going a different direction. I 100% will not be on (another) Mirhawk wagon today.

Umm.

What Varsoon counterwagon are you talking about, because it sounds like you believe Varsoon is a counterwagon to scum, and the wagon on him is scummy as hell, but the next paragraph you say you support his wagon. I'm having trouble parsing this, please clarify.

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you know how you guys are fussing about Master being a counter wagon to Skrub? You know who Skrub was a counterwagon to? EXP. Guess who EXP was a counterwagon to? House/Drixx/Norvi.

Like I know you guys are going with the "Drixx is a claimed psn doc so he's town" but lurky Drixx is prob scum Drixx in my limited experience.

EXP could very well be scum but he's always scummy and derpy.

Nope, Drixx is town.

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Umm.

What Varsoon counterwagon are you talking about, because it sounds like you believe Varsoon is a counterwagon to scum, and the wagon on him is scummy as hell, but the next paragraph you say you support his wagon. I'm having trouble parsing this, please clarify

Varsoon voting mithawk to counterwagon from skrub

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Varsoon didn't do that.

Vedith did.

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Nope, Drixx is town.

why?

Because I know he was legitimately angry when he made that claim +replace post, and everything I know about Drixx tells me he would NEVER make such a strategic post while legitimately emotional.

He might fake emotion and make such a post, but he WAS actually angry, therefore he IS town.

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Add vedith, or replace varsoon, panzer?

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I've decided lamist means look at me I'm sayin stuff

It's pretty much the lamest.

Much like a tam lynch

Qft.

Disclaimer: still haven't read the thread consistently, and my opposition is mostly on principle.

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Yes. RadiantCowbells to be precise.

But that's a "regardless of alignment" type of deal, that's just who he is.
What I wanted was not unilateral control of the lynch (as evidenced by me being willing to go along with the wagons I went with yesterday). What I wanted was to lynch in a reasonable amount of time, and we did. It wasn't the best lynch in the world but it wasn't the worst and we didn't have to pull all of our fingernails out and kill our first born children to get it. It was lovely.

Fair enough.
I do feel much better about you now that you're here and engaging. May not have joined that wagon at all had I been here the whole time, but ah well. Glad you weren't lynched.

I still need to properly check out Kraska and Skrub, but from what I've heard so far, Kraska needs rope.

Nope. You've heard wrong.

I should probably engage with the game and develop some other opinions.

kts, who should I lynch?

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TAM and Kraska are off limits. So is Drixx. And Varsoon(but only cause I <3 him and have never played in a game with just him and want to see how he actually plays).

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I literally just explained why I can say almost 100% certainty that there isn't an SK in this game.

Oh, I forgot.

There can't be an SK because 1:31 odds aren't fair.

I'm not buying.

I believe there was just a 42 player game the SK won. Maybe modded by House.
I'm not saying it's fair, but it's also not impossible.

It was modded by Wake.

He and House really aren't the same guy, honest.

I have no clue why I always confuse the two...
My point stands though.

(It's because they both use avatars of the character of Dr. Gregory House, from the TV show House, and I assume House's name here is a reference to said show.)

pedit: Fuck, I should have included random. I like, refuse to lynch him until lylo. Or a guilty. Just on principle. Plus, it's nice to have someone who town reads me IN SPITE of my scumlike town behaviors. Is there a third? Whoever the third is, I'll vote them, no questions asked.

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Also, tell Nosferatu to change his avatar. Really not doing him any favors.

did you just assume my gender?

I'd have to say if you don't choose to use the pronoun option, everyone else is welcome to assume whatever they'd like about your gender.


@exp: the wagons should die? The ones being wagoned? The vanity wagon voters?

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kraska77 (3): MathBlade , Varsoon , Radical Rat
Mirhawk (2): The Ascended Masters , PeregrineV

these wagons also will likely not happen and I'm not really against lynching any of them either.

@Cerb who thinks I'm Exp-the vanity voters

Lol sorry. Saw expedience at the top of that list and his name stuck in my head.

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What do you think of the vanity voters?

I don't.
If I were reading every poat and trying REALLY REALLY HARD to figure things out like normal, I'd be irritated at them because the day has clearly stalled and nothing is happening now, and I'd tell them they should all join forces and make a third wagon if they don't like the current two, so at least we'll have more interesting data to look back on in the future.

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@Aristo: make a strong case which appeals to those on the TAM wagon, tuned to their sensibilities, and maybe you'll have a point then. Without that, your last post feels a bit fake, saying things that sound good without doing anything to resolve the situation...not even switching your vote to the other wagon to at least act in accordance with your sentiment.

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Oh yea if he flips scum I'm lynched that's fine.

The issue is when he flips town theres gonna be an army of derrrrrrr tomorrow because you all cant be scum. And when activr players eat knives again and we have the but lurrrkekerkeekers well

Don't worry spyrex, nobody is gonna shoot me and I'll be here late game to catch all the scumz.

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I wouldn't object to a nos or expedience lynch either.

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Spyrex, who do we not lynch in thr first 4 days of a game this size, on general principle because of their potential value as scum hunters?

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Spyrex, who do we not lynch in thr first 4 days of a game this size, on general principle because of their potential value as scum hunters?

You're asking old guard who was long removed. But nacho, abr, dgb, panzer had their chops. Enough id think twice.

Moreso, theres a subset even if I'm not 100% on town I wouldn't for the first few.days based around.activity. we've got.way to much divide between actives and not.

Are you suggesting we focus lynches on lurkers, policy essentially, to start?

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Spyrex : sounds good. Among those with less than 50 posts in this game so far, excluding ABR, Drixx, and Random (all of whom I refuse to today), who is the best vote?

Kts: sheep us on this k?

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Mhsmith, you too.

If you're scum and spyrex names your teammate, please bus them. This day has gone on long enough, and little to nothing has been done..TAM is basically the worst D1/2 lynch I could imagine, and I don't care about skrub at all, lynching him would be purely to resolve any questions about yesterday wagon compositions, but as long as he's actively playing that's not a priority.

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Hmm. I actually think nosferatu is the most likely suggestions , and it looks like they're being wagoned heavily already, and by the people I'm reachung out to right now.

I appear to be late ro the party.

VOTE: Nosferatu

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Spyrex ; fuck gut, though rat is equally viable. Nos shouldn't be allowed past today.

Aristo, please join, for the sanity of the game. Thank you.

Pedit: Thanks!

TAM: you should also vote Nos, because if you don't, you will be lynched today, and that would be a tragedy. As a matter of fact, if you AREN'T voting Nos by the first VC after you start posting again, I'll do everything I can to make sure my prediction comes true.

Peditx2: Huge game, massive apathy, giant wagons can take off effortlessly, it means nothing here. Also, town is REALLY lazy and stupid about just dumping votes on people, so yeah. Wagon speed means nothing other than that someone is playing badly, which is NAI for habitual lurkers.

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Oh lol I missed that in the VC. I assumed he had said something against the Nos wagon given Aristos comment.

Why did you say that thing about TAM backlash Aristophanes?

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Ya ya rach already told me I'm blind.

We're at l-7.

Drixx, random, ABR, Varsoon ,SC, Mathblade, Mirhawk: come vote for and then hammer Nos, thank you.

Pedit; got it Aristo.

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Hi. Where the heck did this nosterafu wagon come from?

Nowhere, plus people getting sick of seeing the top two wagons stagnate. I also think a number of vanity wagon voters banded together to make a new wagon.

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"no one can explain why NOS is town thus its a good wagon"

-Nacho 2016

It's a point towards it being a good wagon, yes. No one explicitly townreading means that Nos hasn't done anything that townies are willing to stand behind and go "yes, that looks town". They haven't been just flat not been here (which would actually be null), they keep posting in this game enough to not be prodded in a 48-hour window and what they've decided to do with their time is ask useless questions and drift. I'm sure your implicit rebuttal was something along the lines of "that means scum aren't calling their buddy town and so mislynch!" but scum don't stand by their useless lurkshit buddies as often as you think they do because it's a bad move to stick your neck out for someone who is going to die eventually.

QFT.

Nacho why did you stop asking me questions? There was some probing going on yesterday, and you've completely dropped it now. Is your hydra partner even playing?

Pedit: pisskop stop it. Remember how I said the kraska lynch wasn't gonna happen at the start of the day, when people were like resigned to it? I'm good at gauging the town's sentiment about certain slots (which is largely why I'm quite confident when I make my bravado statements about not being lynched in gamesI can just tell suppprt isn't there) and I've got a petty good sense of how the voices which are being listened to feel about Nacho, and that sense tells me that he's not going to be lynched today.

You're screaming into a void, and there's nobody who wasn't convinced already who will join you.

The ONLY exception to this may be if nosferatu teammates decide to try to strengthen nachos wagon to save nos, BUT....Nosferatu doesn't have the townreads to justify such a play.

Pedit: I'm egotistical and always want to hear reads on me. :p

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Course there is a problem scum won't bus and not enough people will take their mislynch options.

Vote Kraska.

Why is Nos a mislynch?

Because RachMarie is pushing him.

Yay preflip asociatives.

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@nacho: according to your list I'm a likely wolf, but you're perfectly happy to sit on the nos wagon I started. What's your head space here? Bussing? Different wolf teams? V/w?

Technically, nacho said his kill list had both nulls and scum reads.

So really, what he gave us was a list of townreads.

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DS, are you familiar with kts?

Expedience, I'd lynch you too. Should I fight you?

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Expedience, I'd lynch you too. Should I fight you?

no, it's ok.

Why?

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Mathblade, I'd really like you to explain how it makes sense that vifam, the gunsmith, was killed due to his investigation choice, by someone who doesn't use a gun? For bonus points, explain that connection without assuming a single scum faction has access to multiple kill flavors.

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First of all, the moderator can flavor the kills from a pgo however they'd like.

There is absolutely no reason why FA couldn't have a mechanical PGO that did not use a gun.

Second, a mechanical PGO DOES NOT FEAR BEING INVESTIGATED BY A GUNSMITH...because the gunsmith dies when they do so.

Third, no. Thus is a theme game. If this were an open, or a normal, youd be right...but it's not.

There is NO reason to believe that all mafia count as having guns in a game where the moderator specified thst only one of the kill flavors currently know would be detected by a gunsmith.

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I assure you, you are going to scream Mathblade.

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In the meantime, you should imagine a world where everything you believed was wrong, and the kraska/vifam interaction is meaningless(like the rest of the fame has been doing). In that world, who do you lynch today?

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You're working at cross purposes here.

The mod already said the kill flavor that killed vifam would not have been detected by him.

Thus, there is no connection between his choice to investigate kraska and his death, without scum having multiple kill flavors, OR scum being really really really stupid and not asking if a gunsmith would catch them, once rhey learned one existed.

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Eh, he's getting more tinfoil hat like here, BUT if we assume kraskas pgo is triggered, rather than automatic, his position makes sense.

Before you suggested that, you should have pushed kraska to define exactly how her pgo functions. This was very easy to resolve, and if she is scum you just gave her an out.

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Since at this point the hood is not a secret, it's math, me, davesaz, mirhawk, and the recently deceased vifam. None of us are alignment confirmed.

Quoted so I don't forget.

Spyrex, what's with the post telling rach to check the QT? Did I miss something?

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Got it. Sorry, Ive been missing huge chunks of the game and not going back to read what I missed, so I wanted to make sure there wasnt a legitimate claim somewhere which I had missed.

Pedit: ooh kts content.

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So, it seems like what I missed waa Mathblade being told that they're wrong by the moderator, and then getting upset about it, yes?

Did they ever reevaluate based on the discovery that they were wrong, or did they just bitch about the fact that they were wrong?

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"no one can explain why NOS is town thus its a good wagon"

-Nacho 2016

It's a point towards it being a good wagon, yes.

No one explicitly townreading means that Nos hasn't done anything that townies are willing to stand behind and go "yes, that looks town". They haven't been just flat not been here (which would actually be null), they keep posting in this game enough to not be prodded in a 48-hour window and what they've decided to do with their time is ask useless questions and drift. I'm sure your implicit rebuttal was something along the lines of "that means scum aren't calling their buddy town and so mislynch!" but scum don't stand by their useless lurkshit buddies as often as you think they do because it's a bad move to stick your neck out for someone who is going to die eventually.

You could say this about 99% of all the wagons here [on this site]. Its vague and all fitting.

Thats true, but the statement is perfectly in line with the game plan he laid out in his second post. I value the consistency.

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So, it seems like what I missed waa Mathblade being told that they're wrong by the moderator, and then getting upset about it, yes?

Did they ever reevaluate based on the discovery that they were wrong, or did they just bitch about the fact that they were wrong?

Yes I have completely reread 170 pages in two minutes while balling my eyes out that somehow I have missed a social convention everyone else understands but me caused me to death tunnel Kraska and pretty much make the game unfun for Kraska which I try to avoid for anyone playing while pissed off having my period for more than a goddamn month wanting to break my phone and throw it across the wall.

Why yes I have managed to completely change face and worship the almighty Cerb.

This entire post is sarcasm.

If you're sincerely upset please don't be.

The point of my post, snarky though it was, was that there's no real benefit to going around and around about this subject. Nothing productive to do but reset and utilize the new knowledge. I apologize if the attitude of individuals in this thread, myself included, has discouraged you from seeking public answers to questions in the future. That was not my intent.

Anyways, I look forward to seeing what you have to say when you get the chance to look things over again.

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Also as far as fake claiming PGO, IIRC in Mastin's game A50 fake claimed PGO and turned out to be town and helped us win the game in the end, though some of his early reads were really kinda funky.

There's also a bit of a difference between a50 fakeclaiming PGO and Kraska claiming.

The silly thing about this is he was targeted VERY early on, even before he had made his claim that made him essentially conftown, and the person should targeted him didn't even point out that he fake claimed pgo.

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Vote Kraska

Vote Kraska.

why?
I'll check back for your answer tomorrow if I remember btw.

Nos is town. Scum Nos who I have worked with would never be this blatantly lazy.

Are you sure? Nos was the epitome of laziness in Gistou.

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Panzer, did you just call me bad town?

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Nos hasn't listed a pronoun, so you can call them whatever you'd like.

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i swear i've played tons of active games with nos and everyone called him he ?

The patriarchy in action yo.

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i swear i've played tons of active games with nos and everyone called him he ?

The patriarchy in action yo.

I hope to God you weren't serious about that...

It was obviously tongue in cheek, but there IS a tendency to default to male pronouns in our society, a tendency which is arguably a result of male domination throughout history.

In short, I just thought it would be hilarious to respond that way, but it doesn't make it untrue. :p

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unless someone else voted after var, there is still 4 more votes to go to hammer Nos, and I am not sure how many to hammer Nacho and none of the other wagons are anywhere near a lynch.

Uh yeah I believe we have like 2 or 3 days still so no reason to not follow procedure and give intent to hammer after someone is at L-1.

Oh shit, Rach is scum!

Lynching this tomorrow.

Please explain the difference between the post you quoted here, and the one below (which was made immediately prior to the quoted post.

Can we not just hammer already?

I think we're a few votes away, and at any rate a pre-hammer claim would be preferable. Not like the day is about to end and we need to turbo hammer.