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PenguinPower · Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:18 am

VOTE: karnos

Totes scum.

PenguinPower · Post Post #19 (isolation #1) » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:03 pm

Convincing argument. VOTE: AlpacaAlpaca

PenguinPower · Post Post #56 (isolation #2) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:54 am

In post 50, karnos wrote:Could this be the game where we both rolled the same alignment? I feel like it's due, but randomness can be funny.

I want this to be the case. I really do.

But, I've been hurt before. I'm not sure I'm ready to trust you.

PenguinPower · Post Post #62 (isolation #3) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:22 am

I hammered someone on page 2. It's invigorating. You should definitely try it.

PenguinPower · Post Post #64 (isolation #4) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:31 am

Pretty sure he isn't serious...you can relax.

PenguinPower · Post Post #65 (isolation #5) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:31 am

Although...he did rage vote in Lylo to give me a scum win in the newbie I played with him. I guess anything is possible.

PenguinPower · Post Post #67 (isolation #6) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:37 am

UNVOTE:

I quite like your profile pic.

PenguinPower · Post Post #71 (isolation #7) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:03 am

Can I pocket you too?

PenguinPower · Post Post #74 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:36 am

PenguinPower · Post Post #76 (isolation #9) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:45 am

Ew. I don't like not voting.

VOTE: Saru

PenguinPower · Post Post #80 (isolation #10) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:28 am

Oooh, someone was at L-1 with an intent to hammer! We must be out of RVS!

Wait, what case or serious vote was presented?

PenguinPower · Post Post #82 (isolation #11) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:37 am

That was kinda my point...killed the witty retort I had ready to go in response.

PenguinPower · Post Post #85 (isolation #12) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:24 pm

In post 84, LmkGuy wrote:(i think this intent was fake).

I unvoted because of my experience with ironstove in Newbie 1730. All joking aside, he probably wouldn't have, but I'm not necessarily willing to say it was fake.

PenguinPower · Post Post #97 (isolation #13) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:15 pm

In post 96, malpascp wrote:Oh my God. They killed RVS!

I like you. You're town for now.

PenguinPower · Post Post #98 (isolation #14) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:16 pm

Though, I don't like your signature.

PenguinPower · Post Post #100 (isolation #15) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:37 pm

Why not?

PenguinPower · Post Post #102 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:44 pm

Could you point out that legit scum read for me? I must have missed it.

PenguinPower · Post Post #104 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:49 pm

In post 103, aronagrundy wrote:
In post 33, Nero Cain wrote:I have a gut scumread on you and I wanted to see how you reacted under pressure.

Lulz. Dude started the wagon and followed it with he hated the avatar. You're so serious.

PenguinPower · Post Post #105 (isolation #18) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:51 pm

Although, I will give you we've moved more into serious territory now.

PenguinPower · Post Post #108 (isolation #19) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:59 pm

Oh, didn't ignore it. That came after my RVS vote. I'm still sorting. Thx.

PenguinPower · Post Post #110 (isolation #20) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:02 pm

Do you know what RVS means?

Oh, you're crazy.

PenguinPower · Post Post #112 (isolation #21) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:04 pm

In post 111, Nero Cain wrote:like you are saying that you saw my 93 and knew it was the explanation for my gut scumread so I'm not sure why you'd ask this.

Um...I was obv referring to a legit scum read prior to my latest RVS vote for which he was calling me out on?

PenguinPower · Post Post #115 (isolation #22) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:07 pm

No...because then it isn't random anymore.

PenguinPower · Post Post #119 (isolation #23) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:09 pm

In post 116, aronagrundy wrote:Then when does RVS stop?

When serious votes start.

PenguinPower · Post Post #121 (isolation #24) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:10 pm

In post 118, ironstove wrote:NERO IS SCUM. VOTE NERO.

Why?

PenguinPower · Post Post #123 (isolation #25) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:10 pm

In post 120, ironstove wrote:did this kid really puts himself as his #2 town read behind another player LOL WHAT?!??!?

You should check the player list and the numbers next to the names...

PenguinPower · Post Post #137 (isolation #26) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:23 pm

NAI. That's iron.

PenguinPower · Post Post #138 (isolation #27) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:24 pm

In post 134, LmkGuy wrote:Does anyone have thoughts on my 91?

Weak, but plausible at this point.

PenguinPower · Post Post #139 (isolation #28) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:25 pm

In post 131, Nero Cain wrote:lurking in his PT

Day chat is awesome, right? Tell him the joke I just told you.

PenguinPower · Post Post #142 (isolation #29) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:37 pm

Holy mother...

PenguinPower · Post Post #143 (isolation #30) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:38 pm

Is this your first game?

PenguinPower · Post Post #146 (isolation #31) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:44 pm

In post 15, Nero Cain wrote:
vote: AlpacaAlpaca

sheep me

In post 144, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 112, PenguinPower wrote:Um...I was obv referring to a legit scum read prior to my latest RVS vote for which he was calling me out on?
My vote on Alpaca came in #15. In your #102 you are acting like there was no legit scum reads. Then your #104 throws shade on my reasoning being legit. Yet you claim that you saw my 93 which is explaining why I was voting Alpaca as soon as #15...long before your RVS vote #76. What am I not understanding?

If you're saying that your vote in 15 was legit, serious:

In post 15, Nero Cain wrote:
vote: AlpacaAlpaca

sheep me

Then, I'm scum.

However, my post 102 was referring to Mr. Grundy calling out my post 80, at which I did not think there was a legit vote - and to which you allude to above your post 93 being your first serious case. Sooooooo....yeah. That's what you're not understanding.

PenguinPower · Post Post #147 (isolation #32) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:45 pm

In post 145, aronagrundy wrote:
In post 143, PenguinPower wrote:Is this your first game?
No I was asking if you're scumreading nero

Um...null right now. That was an obv joke post.

PenguinPower · Post Post #149 (isolation #33) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:48 pm

Haha.

VOTE: aronagrundy

This is scum.

PenguinPower · Post Post #152 (isolation #34) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:52 pm

Doesn't fit your personality.

PenguinPower · Post Post #154 (isolation #35) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:56 pm

Because that would be asinine, and I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

#15 was serious...alright. I'll re-read with that in mind.

PenguinPower · Post Post #252 (isolation #36) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:19 pm

Why do you town read me?

PenguinPower · Post Post #253 (isolation #37) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:19 pm

And what do you think of karnos?

That is an open question to everyone.

PenguinPower · Post Post #258 (isolation #38) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:41 pm

I've been discussed plenty? Could you point to that please?

PenguinPower · Post Post #264 (isolation #39) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:52 pm

In post 260, Tracer wrote:
In post 258, PenguinPower wrote:I've been discussed plenty? Could you point to that please?
Does the word "penguinpanic" ring a bell?

It reminds me of a word that was mentioned in a post. Did we discuss it, plenty?

PenguinPower · Post Post #265 (isolation #40) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:52 pm

In post 262, Tracer wrote:Fun to note that #104 sounded like penguin jumped in a hurry.

Do explain. Jumped on what exactly?

Oh, and your thoughts on karnos?

PenguinPower · Post Post #269 (isolation #41) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:54 pm

Ah yes, RVS, so one post was plenty. Why was it of the size to call out?

PenguinPower · Post Post #271 (isolation #42) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:57 pm

So, yeah, I'm done with you until you get serious.

PenguinPower · Post Post #276 (isolation #43) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:07 pm

Get back to me when you have a karnos read. Thx.

PenguinPower · Post Post #308 (isolation #44) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:22 pm

In post 299, karnos wrote:
In post 253, PenguinPower wrote:And what do you think of karnos?

That is an open question to everyone.
I'm pretty sure he is town.

Funny...

I really would like everyone else's read here. I notoriously have gut scum reads on karnos (which have all been right, except when I was scum), but I don't want to get tunnel vision.

Seen a town read so far.

PenguinPower · Post Post #309 (isolation #45) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:45 pm

In post 304, Lowell wrote:penguin. Reads similar to LmkGuy, but less so. He spent a lot of time early trying to make jokes and prove his winning personality. He's improved, slightly, perhaps, but still seems to post only when there's a light moment he can pounce on. I also don't like how he egged iron on to hammer alpaca early, only to more or less immediately say how the threat wasn't serious.

Wow...this is a complete misrepresentation of what happened. Except for the joking and winning personality. I definitely do/have that.

Coupled with your IronStove read...Heavens to Betsy if you aren't somewhat scummy.

PenguinPower · Post Post #310 (isolation #46) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:52 pm

VOTE: Lowell

I'm more comfortable here right now than arona.

PenguinPower · Post Post #312 (isolation #47) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:56 pm

Why would you vote an inactive slot?

PenguinPower · Post Post #335 (isolation #48) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:11 am

@mod: V/LA until 10/17

PenguinPower · Post Post #459 (isolation #49) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:05 am

In post 409, ironstove wrote:Karnos coming off as mafia in the last page + this page.

How so?

In post 437, aronagrundy wrote:Well I still think pp is getting away with way too much but karnos being overly defensive (which is why i voted pp in the first place) in addition to the whole townread debacle give me more than enough reasons to join the wagon.

VOTE: karnos

Why do you think he's being overly defensive. It looks to me like Thor/Saru are going after him pretty hard and he's responding.

In post 438, aronagrundy wrote:btw pp when you return I would love a response to my original vote on you

It was weak.

In post 445, Knighty Knight wrote:Alright, so 90% of this arguing is complete bs and not a whole lot is starting to happen. So in an effort to get something rolling I am going to vote Karnos then Lmk after because he is pushing me for "defending myself". Sorry for defending myself, probably the stupidest argument in this game up until this point. At this point we are all having a hard time agreeing on one thing, so maybe we can see who karnos really is, and maybe not, who knows.

VOTE: Karnos

after it's gonna be LmK for shitty arguments against me.

Seems like scum trying to get an easy mislynch. "Who knows, let's give it a shot!"

In post 448, Lowell wrote:There's enough people at various times trying to passive-aggressively derail this karnos wagon that it's probably right.

Could you point to some examples of that?

I'm not sure I'm understanding the disappearance of the Tracer/Thor wagon at this point. He hasn't been particularly townie.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Knighty Knight

PenguinPower · Post Post #461 (isolation #50) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:43 am

In post 460, Thor665 wrote:I'll actually agree that it isn't over defensive (or, rather, it is defensive - and it's impossible to be over defensive) but I do think it represents flail.
I'll happily agree he's under pressure, but are you reading his answers and defenses?
Could you justify his town read vote concept paired with his not revealing town reads? It's a concept that both Saru and I have clearly noted as lacking logic and that Karnos has pointedly ducked responding to - that doesn't ping you at all?

Not saying that his answers don't appear scummy to me. My problem is that I

always

read karnos as scum. He also happens to always be scum in my town games. I guess I'm having a logic breakdown and want to hear the cases for voting him from those on his wagon.

In post 460, Thor665 wrote:You're not voting me either - I probably agree that I haven't done anything particularly townie (or at least not easily fakeable) but what have I done that is actually scummy? Or my predecessor for that matter? I know Iro is hard avoiding defending the weak case and leaving his vote there for too long, but why are you excited to dig at me? Do you still see value in the old case (if so what value?) or do you see me doing scummy things?

I would note that the wagon on Tracer existed due to lurk.
Since I'm clearly not lurking - doesn't it make sense that the wagon is dying? Why wouldn't it?

I don't find you scummy, so I'm not voting for you. Others were, and now they are hopping off. I would like to hear why as the answers provided thus far were not very informative.

PenguinPower · Post Post #463 (isolation #51) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:03 am

In post 462, Thor665 wrote:Do you mean other than me and Saru?
Also, if you always read him as scum, and he has always been scum - I don't see why you're gunshy.

Yes.

Because it's not logical and is purely emotion based.

PenguinPower · Post Post #479 (isolation #52) » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:51 am

@Mod:

Aronagrundy is on Knighty Knight.

PenguinPower · Post Post #492 (isolation #53) » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:42 am

In post 487, aronagrundy wrote:Good talk.

For real tho, what are your thoughts on me/lowell at the moment? Beyond your original posts where you voted me/him, you didn't really go much further in explaining.

Eh, you're null-leantown. Lowell is leanscum what with his misrep readlist, and scumvote because of association on karnos. The last bit really pings me.

PenguinPower · Post Post #506 (isolation #54) » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:13 pm

In post 502, GreyICE wrote:Sooooooo

Errr

Am I the first person to notice that Knighty Knight is obvious scum?

Like super fucking obvious scum?

No. You should probably join his wagon. It's warm, cozy, and we have free alcohol.

PenguinPower · Post Post #521 (isolation #55) » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:24 pm

Oh. I wish you hadn't done that.

PenguinPower · Post Post #538 (isolation #56) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:00 am

In post 533, karnos wrote:
In post 521, PenguinPower wrote:Oh. I wish you hadn't done that.
Why?

Because I wish he had voted Knighty's slot, obviously.

PenguinPower · Post Post #539 (isolation #57) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:02 am

In post 534, karnos wrote:
In post 526, Foxbird wrote:
Knighty Knight has requested replacement.

Searching for one now.
And I was just thinking he would be a good alternative lynch.

Then hop on the wagon.

PenguinPower · Post Post #543 (isolation #58) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:17 am

In post 541, karnos wrote:But I still think Saru &/or Thor are scum. Lets see what the replace has to say.

Then why did you think he would be a "good alternative wagon" if you think scum is in Saru/Thor?

PenguinPower · Post Post #558 (isolation #59) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:05 am

In post 554, karnos wrote:
In post 543, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 541, karnos wrote:But I still think Saru &/or Thor are scum. Lets see what the replace has to say.
Then why did you think he would be a "good alternative wagon" if you think scum is in Saru/Thor?
Because there are 3 scum, and if neither Saru nor Thor are lynched today, I'm going to pick the next best option...

So, it's not that you think scum is in Saru/Thor. It's that you think that Saru, Thor, and Knighty are scum.

PenguinPower · Post Post #562 (isolation #60) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:19 am

@karnos: 3 days left and it doesn't look like either wagon is going to take off. I know you love putting people at L-1...

PenguinPower · Post Post #567 (isolation #61) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:45 am

Why do you think it would be immediately hammered?

PenguinPower · Post Post #569 (isolation #62) » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:58 am

Why do you think the Knighty slot is town?

PenguinPower · Post Post #592 (isolation #63) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:21 am

Why do you want to wait until so close to deadline? Pretty anti-town, especially considering there is no alternative wagon at this moment.

PenguinPower · Post Post #596 (isolation #64) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:17 am

In post 593, karnos wrote:Do you think there is a serious danger of being stuck with a no-lynch?

Well in your case, you put him at L-1 with 24 hours left. The intent comes sometime within the next 4-6 hours, let's say. He claims town PR and we currently have 3 alternative wagons at two votes each. So, 18 hours to convince people to compromise on a wagon. I'm not as concerned with ending with a no lynch as I am with a rushed, compromise lynch. Scrambling at the end of the day to secure a lynch is the type of play that scum likes, so I don't understand why you - as town - would advocate for it.

PenguinPower · Post Post #605 (isolation #65) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:32 am

^
Solid defense. Can we please lynch this?

PenguinPower · Post Post #642 (isolation #66) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:47 am

Seriously, we're hopping off the guy who said "I'm a PR but I'm never going to tell you what it is." Seriously?

PenguinPower · Post Post #651 (isolation #67) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:47 am

Um, it helps because it helps verify and suss you out. Otherwise why ask for claims at all...scum would just claim PR and say they wouldn't tell you what the role is...oh, wait.

PenguinPower · Post Post #669 (isolation #68) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:30 pm

Ugh...I hate agreeing with Iron and I feel icky voting with karnos.

VOTE: Saru

PenguinPower · Post Post #676 (isolation #69) » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:58 pm

So...given what Saru pointed out above, I'm a little wary of Thor now. He buddied me hard in Newbie 1725 when he was scum, and I've been wary of buddying ever since. n=1, I know...but it's off-putting.

PenguinPower · Post Post #720 (isolation #70) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:32 pm

In post 712, Fire Assassin wrote:Since I already outted I am a power role I am going to add to that discussion why not (without giving away my role).
Assuming I am a power role that can act.
Who should I target for Investigative/Protective/or Killing abilitie(s).

This is just who you think I should target.

This is lulz. If you aren't nk'd tonight, you should be powerlynched tomorrow.

So, with that said, doesn't matter/yourself, but you can't/ok...this one matters.

PenguinPower · Post Post #723 (isolation #71) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:47 pm

No/No/um...look at my vote. Kill it if it isn't lynched.

PenguinPower · Post Post #724 (isolation #72) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:48 pm

It's like you're trying to feed scum information. Where's my Jackie Chan gif?

Spoiler:

PenguinPower · Post Post #726 (isolation #73) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:03 pm

Um...you're asking everyone what they want to see happen. How does that not help scum tailor their NK and roll in to D2 play?

PenguinPower · Post Post #786 (isolation #74) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:26 am

In post 785, Thor665 wrote:So...potentially FA cleared town?

I'd like to lynch in here; aronagrundy,
karnos, ironstove

I think Aronagrundy is probably town.

Vote: Karnoe

Second Day, going the same way

Um, say what now?

PenguinPower · Post Post #788 (isolation #75) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:27 am

Why is FA cleared town?

p-edit

Why do you want to lynch prob!town?

PenguinPower · Post Post #812 (isolation #76) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:40 pm

In post 810, Fire Assassin wrote:Nothing to say so far. I wonder if ice was guarding me or targeted himself? I assume the former.

Why would a bodyguard guard himself? Like...I need Jackie Chan gif for that level of comment.

Spoiler: FA make me like

I actually agree with iron (and Grey) that you need to claim. Not going to let scum coast to a win on a softclaim.

PenguinPower · Post Post #814 (isolation #77) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:52 pm

Then why wouldn't you just say "or killed by scum?" Seriously.

Yeah, and that claim now...

PenguinPower · Post Post #816 (isolation #78) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:55 pm

So it took out an entire phrase?

VOTE: FireAssassin

PenguinPower · Post Post #818 (isolation #79) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:57 pm

Not even a little. I actually don't think Grey died protecting you, and he also did state that you should claim first thing today - something I happen to agree with. I won't be moving my vote until you do.

PenguinPower · Post Post #821 (isolation #80) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:02 pm

Yeah, because I'm such a convincing player with a huge following behind me. Anyways. Parked absent a legit scum slip or claim.

PenguinPower · Post Post #823 (isolation #81) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:05 pm

Great. Even better reason for my current vote.

PenguinPower · Post Post #836 (isolation #82) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:34 pm

In post 834, Thor665 wrote:What would a specific claim really get us at this point? If you think he's lying, a specific claim won't make his claim sound more real, will it?
I would say he should full claim if he's put to L-1 with a hammer intent, otherwise I don't get the point.

It actually would in my mind. Right now, we have no base to judge what is and isn't in the setup. He softed already, so since he didn't die last night (weird in my mind), he's dead tonight. Might as well start to give us some insight to speculate on the setup. If, once again, he doesn't die, then he's prob!scum.

PenguinPower · Post Post #842 (isolation #83) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:11 pm

In post 839, Thor665 wrote:@PP - I fail to see a world where a claim of Jailer, Cop, Tracker, et al will translate to giving us better insight into the setup though barring a massclaim.
I mean, in a grand scheme of negative, the best I see for him in delaying a claim is if he is scum, and looking to fakeclaim, but wants to have some other role reveals to back his play. He's claiming a block though, which is already a fair bit of info, and I don't see value in him claiming unless a fair shake of people actually think he's scum. Him claiming for the sake of claiming is totally meh.

So why didn't a claimed PR die and an unclaimed did? Do you think Grey guarded FA?

PenguinPower · Post Post #844 (isolation #84) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:16 pm

You realize that I'm not believing anything you say right now, right?

PenguinPower · Post Post #903 (isolation #85) » Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:21 pm

Yes, it was. Glad you're back. Claim.

PenguinPower · Post Post #928 (isolation #86) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:22 am

In post 916, aronagrundy wrote:Prod dodge, will be down to lynch Thor if Saru isn't happening

In post 917, ironstove wrote:I don't have a strong town read on anyone but I'll stick with my lynch on Thor as well

Why? Can someone that's not karnos explain to me why Thor is scum as they would if I was an 8 year old?

PenguinPower · Post Post #930 (isolation #87) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:32 am

In post 929, ironstove wrote:current interactions with Thor/Karnos/Saru.

Talk to me about why these interactions makes you scumread Thor.

PenguinPower · Post Post #936 (isolation #88) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:10 am

Spoiler:

So, tl;dr version is Thor is scum because Nero is scum and distancing/refusing to vote Thor. Then why aren't you voting Nero? If x is scum, and y is scum because of x, you should vote x to prove y. Not the other way around.

PenguinPower · Post Post #942 (isolation #89) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:54 am

In post 937, ironstove wrote:I already indicated that flipping thor provides more information that nero at this stage of the game, so I'm not sure why you're asking me this question. You have it mixed up, nero being scum is contingent on thor being scum, and if you re-read my iso instead of asking the same question that i've answered multiple times before, we wouldn't have to make filler posts like this.

lol this is a very slow unresponsive game

Your statement is not supported by your evidence. Let's take a look.

Spoiler: Why Thor is Scum - The IronStove Saga

In post 932, ironstove wrote:Nero has never applied pressure to the Tracer slot, his scum read on alpaca is for the same reasons applicable to Tracer, but he has avoided doing so.

Thor is scum because Nero never applied pressure to the slot even though he did to Alpaca. Thor is scum because of Nero.

In post 932, ironstove wrote:Later on Thor comes in aggressively trying to build a case on Karnos with Saru, later flips around to Saru, in this entire time Nero is distancing himself from Thor and town reads him, refuses to vote Thor.

Thor is scum because he presents a case, aggressively (pot/kettle), and Nero distances himself from, town reads, and refuses to vote Thor. Thor is scum because of Nero.

In post 932, ironstove wrote:Nero later creates a case on Mal's slot, an afk player and pushes everyone to lynch the slot despite very weak casing.

Nothing to do with Thor. Guessing you think this makes Nero scum.

In post 932, ironstove wrote:After mal flips town, nero attempts to pin the mal mislynch on me. Either nero is playing really bad, or he's obv scum, however his adamant defense of the Thor slot without reason makes me want to flip thor first in order to determine if my reads are correct.

Nero tries to pin a mislynch on you, and is defensive of the Thor slot without reason. You want to make an illogical decision. Thor is scum because of Nero.

In post 932, ironstove wrote:This is why my scum read on Nero is contingent on Thor's flip.

This is why - illogical statement.

In post 932, ironstove wrote:Now Nero is attempting to target another AFK slot, alpaca and most likely will try to pin the lynch on one of us, he is delaying time, PP you are also delaying like hell. What on earth are you waiting for?

Nero is doing scummy things and I'm brought up. No mention of Thor.

In post 932, ironstove wrote:I have been saying 'LYNCH THOR' for all of D1, I will say it all of D2, and if I'm still alive D3, I will say lynch him all of D3 as well.

Admission of tunneling and intent to do nothing but tunnel.

In post 932, ironstove wrote:All of the town players this game are mega passive and refusing to either take lead and build strong cases OR afk and refusing to join on a wagon that provides information.

Anger people don't agree with you.

In post 932, ironstove wrote:The mal wagon was horrible because A. mal had almost 0 interactions in this game so his wagon gives 0 information on who is town or scum, all I've been able to glean from this is that NERO/THOR is most likely a scum pair, but THOR's flipping scum will solidify it.

Admission that you were on a horrible wagon that provided zero information. Illogical statement.

In post 932, ironstove wrote:If you're not sure, then just sheep me.

Um, yeah, no thanks.

PenguinPower · Post Post #943 (isolation #90) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:58 am

VOTE: ironstove

Sorry, I couldn't keep my promise, FA. Next time.

PenguinPower · Post Post #946 (isolation #91) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:27 pm

In post 945, Saru wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but all your scum reads are by association at this point, yeah?

What are your individual reasons for each scum read you have that don't include other people. For example, taking Nero out of the picture, why is Thor scum on his own? And then taking Thor out of the picture, why is Nero scum at all? I don't really understand either scum read of yours without the other being present, which is bleh.

I wrote a

saga

about this. Don't detract from it please. You could vote the stove-man though.

PenguinPower · Post Post #948 (isolation #92) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:33 pm

In post 947, ironstove wrote:Is PP this bad or is he scum?

Solid response. A++.

PenguinPower · Post Post #950 (isolation #93) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:40 pm

Loving it if FA would still claim, and karnos will always have a special place in my heart.

Not sure what you want to gain from this. You seem the most scummy right now...I can sort associatives later.

PenguinPower · Post Post #955 (isolation #94) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:45 pm

Um...no. I'd rather you respond to what I said in my IronSaga post. Because that doesn't sit well with me (obviously).

PenguinPower · Post Post #957 (isolation #95) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:51 pm

Cool. Considering we started this shindig with your illogical tunnel on Thor, I'll ignore you until you respond to why Thor over Nero with a logical response.

Peace, IS!

PenguinPower · Post Post #958 (isolation #96) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:51 pm

:dropmic:

PenguinPower · Post Post #961 (isolation #97) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:01 pm

:dropmic:

PenguinPower · Post Post #963 (isolation #98) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:11 pm

Yep, totes scum. Would that rationale extend to you as well?

PenguinPower · Post Post #965 (isolation #99) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:26 pm

Ugh. Sooooo...dense. Could you please, rationally, explain your Thor scumread over Nero scumread given my response?

Like, I totally feel I shouldn't have had to explain it like that.

PenguinPower · Post Post #975 (isolation #100) » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:54 am

In post 973, ironstove wrote:VOTE: Lowell

You vote Saru, and then immediately switch to his recommended wagon? WTF?

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:37 am

In post 980, karnos wrote:Thor is scum.

He isn't this bad of a player to be town. In other games, town!Thor might have put some pressure on me, but he has never blindly tunneled like this.

This is either scum!Thor or Thor ODed on drugs and lost 50 points of IQ. This isn't the usual town!Thor I have seen before.

The whole back-and-forth between you and Thor is getting to be obnoxious. Who is scum outside Thor?

PenguinPower · Post Post #997 (isolation #102) » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:49 pm

You are literally parroting me. Please have an original, logical thought.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:54 pm

So why is it you can parrot my question, but not actually answer my questions?

Lynch this please.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:01 pm

Then lynch that. If he's scum, good lynch. If he's town, he hurts town. Lynch it. Seriously, dude got me a scum win based off a rage vote. If he's not going to play - and not going to be replaced - lynch it.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:02 pm

EBWOP: rage vote in LyLo

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:08 pm

Best post from you all game.

UNVOTE:

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:16 pm

Had nothing to do with the content you provided, since most was a regurgitation. Based on my antagonizing posts, you feel more like the town!IS who I beat than what I think scum!IS would be. I could be wrong and this is just who you are, but for now I'm good.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:18 pm

So, with that out of the way, looking forward to the karnos response.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:52 am

In post 1026, Nero Cain wrote:pp what did Iron say that you liked so much that you unvoted?

Like...maybe you could read the previous page. It has posts on it. They contain information. I think that information may answer your question.

Nice fluff post.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:18 pm

Ugh, wallposty guy. Let me introduce you to

Code: Select all

[spoiler=][/spoiler]

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:18 pm

By main idea is what I like to do. I really don't care how wallposty it is within the spoiler.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:53 pm

@Nero: Show me

constant

buddying of iron and I'll lynch myself.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:55 pm

Hell, show me buddying of iron.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:04 pm

Hey...Nero. Nero. Do you understand the word "context?" If so, please start to use it.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:05 pm

Also, I'm going to mark you up for one misrep.

1.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:26 pm

In post 1059, Nero Cain wrote:ok what was the point of your 1002?

It's like you don't read anything that I've said...

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:30 pm

Ah, damnit.

VOTE: bji

Please expound upon your read on karnos read for me. Also, elucidate your town!iron read.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:10 pm

That entire exchange was explained a few posts after. It had nothing to do with wanting you to do anything.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:24 pm

In post 1065, Nero Cain wrote:yeah...I'm not really seeing any sort of explanation. There's 1008 but that doesn't really sound right. But this whole exchange is weird and I'm not really sure why you are being vague and annoyed.

Because that was obviously a reaction test for Iron, after which I read him town based on previous interactions with him. I'm so annoyed at this point.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:31 pm

Something something...used your brain...something something. Meh.

PenguinPower · Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:37 am

For now, yes.

PenguinPower · Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:27 am

In post 1126, Nero Cain wrote:So FA why aren't you voting BJ?

Why are you?

PenguinPower · Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:31 pm

In post 1175, bji wrote:
In post 1171, Thor665 wrote:The 'Whatever, you can be town' from Grey in 777 was a reference to his 776 'you' was 'Thor'.
I swear no one in this game reads.
That makes no sense. There was literally zero to change his mind about you between 776 and 777, those are consecutive posts! He's not talking about you in 777, he already talked about you in 776, he's obviously just ISO'd Mal, and he says "Oh holy shit though. I looked at mal's recent posts. Whatever you can be town. This is fake VLA shit." Cripes it is completely obvious that every statement there is about Mal, not you.

Or are you now going to claim that his further statements of "Jesus. Don't claim, just die. Fucking fake VLAers. This doesn't just make you scum, it means you are garbage etc etc" was about you also?

And the thing is, you've shown from prior posts that you can read the game alot more carefully than that when it suits your needs.

{ Nero, Thor, Aronagrundy }, with Arona a distant third at this point.

Are you for real with this post? Grey was obviously referring to Thor with his "ok you can be town" statement. He called out mal for the fake V/LA, so he "let" Thor be town given previous interactions.

It's not hard to understand.

PenguinPower · Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:04 pm

Which game was that?

PenguinPower · Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:20 pm

No it doesn't. Not even a little bit. He literally said that, then voted mal, then went on a anti-V/LA faker rant. It's completely obvious.

PenguinPower · Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:47 pm

Your posts on this page are reason enough.

PenguinPower · Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:34 am

In post 1202, karnos wrote:i'm sorry for my absence, cleaning house over the weekend and the impending election is eating up a lot of my time (I'm actually D Trump IRL).

VOTE: Thor

I'm really not liking your tunneling behavior. We have three days left...what's your alternative wagon if Thor doesn't pan out?

What are your thoughts on bji?

PenguinPower · Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:49 am

Agreed that today's lynch is between Thor and bji. The other players need to make a decision and hop on one of those wagons (hint: the correct wagon is bji).

Let's go.

PenguinPower · Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:14 am

Hey iron...if you weren't voting for Nero, who would you be voting?

PenguinPower · Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:20 pm

Then you should probably hop on that. We need to start consolidating, and Nero ain't happening.

I would encourage you to, instead, join the bji wagon. We need to lynch scum in this game (if you're town).

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:43 am

Cool. Have fun with your no lynch.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:52 am

In post 1238, karnos wrote:Thor pushed a hard lynch
he had no legitimacy there
lets lynch him now, friends

Yeah, but he hasn't spent his entire time on one person, which is my experience with scum!Thor. I could be wrong, but I like him more than you right now.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:11 pm

In post 1243, karnos wrote:
In post 1242, PenguinPower wrote:
Yeah, but he hasn't spent his entire time on one person, which is my experience with scum!Thor. I could be wrong, but I like him more than you right now.
He did until he was called out on it.

Why did you jump on mal's wagon if Thor was already on it?

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:11 pm

Also...lulz at bji.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:40 pm

I will agree with that point. You are definitely playing to your wincon.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:05 pm

Yeah...sorry, still waiting for the response to my last question. Weak retort. Points lost.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:12 pm

Haven't yet. Hoping to though.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:29 pm

Please don't yet. I'd prefer to hear karnos' answer and we have a little less than two days left.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:08 am

In post 1259, karnos wrote:Because the Thor wagon wasn't going anywhere, we were near deadline, Thor could have been busing, Thor could have been town... but mal's flip reinforced my opinion of Thor being scum.

You weren't on Thor...you were on Saru - the leading wagon. Thor also hopped on mal when he was the third smallest wagon - why would he do that if he were bussing? He also switched earlier than you.

If anything, your hop onto the wagon looks worse than his.

Why did mal's flip reinforce your scum!read on Thor?

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:32 am

In post 1265, karnos wrote:
In post 1263, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1260, Saru wrote:Just peeking in to give
intent to hammer
.
I actually find the case on me so offensive that I'm going to refuse to claim.
I am a PR - but since you guys don't even have a case, I want to teach you a lesson about what you're doing.

My prediction is scum bji/Karnos at the very least - along with a bunch of town too dense to notice that there isn't actually a reason to think I'm scum outside of the most vague connective hoo-hah type cases.

Hammer away, slappy.
1- Refuses to claim.

2- Is playing against win condition if town, to teach us a lesson.

3- Calls me scum. Sorry Thor, checked my role PM, you are still wrong.

This is scum. Please hammer him.

You understand that I am tunneling you for the rest of the game if Thor flips town, right? Just wanted to make sure of that.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:36 am

In post 1266, karnos wrote:Thor was pushing the wagon and convinced me to ignore my hesitations, such as the fact that lynching a lurker would cause us to miss out on a claim & reads.

This doesn't make sense if you were so strongly scumreading Thor. Why would he be able to convince you of anything (not too mention it didn't really look like he was pushing the wagon that hard)? You also didn't answer why scum!Thor would have potentially bussed scum!malp when he was one of the smallest wagons at the point he hopped on.

You're breaking my heart, karnos.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:27 pm

Dude. Chill out. 14 hours left and Thor already said he wouldn't claim (unless you actually expressed some effort). I think we can give it a bit more time. Still, you're lynching a soft PR claim (same as FA btw).

PenguinPower · Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:27 am

Can we please hop on the bji wagon now?

PenguinPower · Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:37 am

Well, I'm certainly not lynching Thor. Strongest toweread claims PR...yeah. This bji wagon is awesome though. More people should join.

PenguinPower · Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:39 am

Damn it, Thor. You always fool me.

VOTE: Thor

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:05 am

VOTE: karnos

Breaking my heart.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:52 am

In post 1476, MathBlade wrote:FYI now clear teams are emerging. This is a good sign. Pp's vote while I like it is utter shit as it is naked.

Sorry. Well, not really.

Pretty simple:

In post 1380, karnos wrote:are you kidding? been trying to lynch this scum since day one. not going to slowplay it and risk someone getting cold feet.

Except he was on Saru most of D1. And he parked on D2, which wasn't too much of a risk. And the quickhammer was just all sorts of bad after looking at D1 and D2!karnos Then there's the stuff in our Neighborhood (yes, arona neighborized me N2. Neighborized FA on N1. I asked to neighborize karnos which was dumb) that just comes across as scum!karnos to me based on meta (trying to hard to appear town).

In post 1494, ironstove wrote:Why is it breaking your heart?

Because we've yet to be in one game where we are of the same alignment on this site.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:54 am

In post 1493, MathBlade wrote:@Karnos when did you get the notification?

Last night. And it wasn't because arona thought he was towny (which is clear in that thread), so not sure why he said that.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:58 am

I don't know when he was added exactly, but his first post in the thread was at 8:24a CST.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:58 am

How is this relevant or informative?

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:06 pm

Fair enough...I missed 20 where he said he was "thinking karnos" and wanted some confirmation. He wasn't making any decisions solely off his own reads, so it wasn't

solely

because arona thought you were townie.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:07 pm

I was added at the start of D3.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:09 pm

1 minute before the mod's first post that day.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:21 pm

Yeah, but only I had knowledge that he was the neighborizer before he died. Karnos wouldn't have known until he was killed.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:24 pm

In post 1516, MathBlade wrote:However if Karnos is scum it implies scum did not have knowledge FA was the tracker but killed him for a reason that was more important than a known neighborizer where as Penguin would have killed to shut it down immediately.

I think it's obvious scum didn't know FA was the tracker since Thor claimed Tracker. I didn't get added to the neighborhood until after FA died. Karnos didn't get added until after arona died.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:30 pm

We can post in it at any time. Basically right now we're calling each other scum...just made my last post a few minutes ago, and karnos made some witty retort to an earlier comment about an hour ago.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:33 pm

The only people added were FA, me, and karnos. FA is dead.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:49 pm

In post 1523, MathBlade wrote:Karnos was added to neighborhood with FA which made doubly sure FA had to die.

Just want to clarify this to make sure full understanding...FA was killed before either I or karnos were added. Only Arona and FA talked. FA initially didn't want to talk to Arona because he didn't townread Arona. That changed because he didn't think the mafia had an RB and a neighborizer. FA recommended adding Nero to the neighborhood, but later told Arona to add me.

Arona and I discussed a few things (before the Thor flip we both agreed scum within Saru/Lowell and adding karnos). This was all pre-Thor's flip. When karnos was added, Arona was dead and only karnos and I could discuss things. He made an argument for your lynch (which is basically what he has said in this thread), made a post about how he had just read the wiki and neither of us were conf!town (one reason why I scum read him), and now we are just antagonizing each other.

Again...to be clear...FA died before karnos or I were added to the neighborhood.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:53 pm

In post 1527, MathBlade wrote:Furthermore someone had to know by day 3 Arona was the neighborizer to kill him.

Then that would have to be me. Karnos wouldn't have known until D4.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:58 pm

Bad play. Explain why I would have been this forthcoming as scum when I could have waited for karnos to call me out as being in the thread and then deny it?

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:59 pm

We have 2 mislynches left, correct?

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:01 pm

Oh yuck. You're not really this bad, right?

p-edit

Why is 6 MyLo with 2 scum left?

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:02 pm

Ah...maths. It escapes me.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:02 pm

So, yeah, you definitely don't want to waste it on me.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:04 pm

Can't tell you why Arona died, but it wasn't because I'm scum. If you want to be dense and focus on that, then I'll blame town loss on you.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:05 pm

Like, if I'm scum, I literally brought to your attention that I was the only one who could be scum.

Good job, PP. You are awesome at playing against wincon!

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:05 pm

In post 1542, MathBlade wrote:Oh really? Explain how Arona died then when others were pushing Thor louder.

I literally just said that I can't.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:07 pm

Only thing I can see upon ISO is that he talked a lot about FA, who already said he was neighborized, in his last few posts.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:13 pm

In post 1546, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1543, PenguinPower wrote:Like, if I'm scum, I literally brought to your attention that I was the only one who could be scum.

Good job, PP. You are awesome at playing against wincon!
Yes. Because I was asking Karnos I was going to get to who was in the D3 spot. It'd come out regardless. Trying for townie points me thinks.

Ugh...I'm going to have a stove-tantrum.

So far, scum!me has:

1.) Openly stated that scum!Thor was his strongest town read
2.) Refused to lynch his strongest town lynch participating in causing a no lynch and calling attention to myself.
3.) Called myself out as part of the neighborhood when I could have refuted karnos' claim given he was scum read and I was townread.
3.) Afterwards, verbally vomited the neighborhood information, clarifying to scum!me's detriment, incorrect statements by MB that I could easily refute.

Why would scum!me do this? Answer this.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:15 pm

In post 1548, PenguinPower wrote:2.) Refused to lynch his strongest town
lynch
read participating in causing a no lynch and calling attention to myself.

EBWOP

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:21 pm

Ugh...I'm done. I've made my points...your vote and logic are bad. Like, bad bad.

I agree that one of me and karnos is scum. Karnos is scum, and flipping him will give us one more mislynch to find the remaining Lynch me, and then you will be lynching karnos and have no buffer to find the remaining.

The rest of the town can decide now. I've made my case.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:30 pm

Ugh...you are that dense.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:04 pm

That I didn't need, because I wasn't scum read. I was that proactive? I could have kept my mouth shut and played on like I have been in that case. Bad logic.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:50 pm

@IS: Scum is 100% Saru and almost sure Nero. Yet vote is on Nero.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:59 pm

No, I read it. If you have a 100% certain read, it doesn't make sense to vote outside that.

If I didn't know how derp you can be in pressure situations, I really would think it's you and karnos left on scum team.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:05 pm

No...I'd rather you vote for karnos so we don't lose.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:06 pm

Oh, and I care because you're throwing up a roadblock. I'd just like for it to make some logical sense. Sorry to make your brain work overtime.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:07 pm

In post 1571, ironstove wrote:Why is karnos scum?

Already answered that. Maybe

you

can read.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:10 pm

Then you didn't actually read it.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:14 pm

1. My comment on your Saru vote while throwing shade at Nero is potentially scummy given an IS/Nero team. You should always vote your top scum read.
2. Why would I? That had nothing to do with what I was trying to convey.
3. Because I think karnos is scum...I just looked at my ISO, and my reason is readily available in the post ~1400ish. So, yeah, you go find it.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:15 pm

Ah, yes, you are really dumb.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:22 pm

In post 1581, ironstove wrote:1400ish? Which specifically? 1471, 1495, or 1496? You have 3 posts in the 1400 range, it wasn't hard for me to read them, and BTW I read your posts from your first all the way up to post 800 while I was going through Saru/Nero already, and I read you back all the way again to post 1100 so IDK what you are talking about.

So...1471 was your post? Which of those others talks about karnos? K...sweetheart.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:24 pm

In post 1582, ironstove wrote:I should always vote my top scum read, yet you were voting me earlier for doing just that

I actually had a wall of reasons on D2...sorry for having reasons.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:25 pm

In post 1586, ironstove wrote:Well, that was a typo I was referring to 1474

So which of the 3 were you referring to? 1474?

Well, jeez, Forest. Which one had reasons attached?

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:27 pm

In post 1587, ironstove wrote:I think at this point you're the only person who is stupid enough to try to scum read me, I'm basically conf town at this point so much in fact, I might as well be mod confirmed as another innocent child.

This is 凄い bad. Like. Wow.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:27 pm

BTW...only cop-clears are conf!town.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:37 pm

You don't remember our newbie? Your method is great for scum. Waiting for that lylo, rage-hammer loss.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:42 pm

Lulz. karnos is ignoring the entirety of the neighborhood thread and the Innocent Child claim. Totes scum. This will be good post game.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:48 pm

Haha. IS and karnos. Calling it here. With a possibility of Lowell in place of derp!IS.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:50 pm

BS, karnos. Oh, and you know it.

p-edit

If karnos flips town, I'll do whatever you say because that's not going to happen.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:51 pm

Lulz.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:54 pm

In post 1604, karnos wrote:If you lynch me, scum needs one more miss lynch to win, so penguin would happily help you with that. He might even help you bus his partner.

Why are you always so scummy?

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:56 pm

IS: 4PRs is not not uncommon...there haven't been any negative utilities, so it's possible that scum have some strong PRs. Tracker, BG, IC, Neighborizer. Encryptor flipped. Some sort of mafia Rolecop or blocker. That's setup spec though.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:03 pm

Thanks for the regurgitation, karnos. Care to mention what happened after the IC claim?

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:09 pm

@karnos: The pre-mediation in the neighborhood thread...sorry the IC claim put a quick stop to that.

PenguinPower · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:18 pm

Calling: iron is a moron. That's just a placeholder for later.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:16 am

In post 1612, karnos wrote:What part of that made you change your read on me, the unvote? the scum read on nero?

Or, maybe, my re-read of your rationale and strategy to push for MB's lynch post IC reveal, and re-read of your interactions with Thor. Yes, I called you obvtown, and that's why I wanted you added to the neighborhood. I was wrong. One's townieness is fluid, not static.

Your behavior is scum!karnos. I have yet to be wrong when I get that gut feeling.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:29 am

In post 1623, bji wrote:(pp is referring to karnos)

This is such a blatant misrep I don't even know how to address it. Read Karnos' ISO. He was equally against Thor and Saru from way, way back on Day 1, and if you look at the number of times he addressed points directly to or from Thor, it's quite clear that he's intensely interested in Thor as well as Saru. So how is it inconsistent for him to have hammered one of the two players he consistently scum read?

Not a misrep in the least, though your taking this out of context is interesting. I'm clearly talking about his vote. He never once placed his vote on Thor D1. I can scream someone is scummy all day long, but if I don't put a vote on that person then it's all empty words.

Also, during my re-read of karnos to make sure what I said above was accurate I found two things that I found interesting in our current situation:

In post 385, karnos wrote:My other scum partner was also busing me much of the game. And you STILL failed to get me lynched- in fact you decided I was a good target to recruit as a mason, and you killed yourself trying to recruit me.

This makes me believe that karnos and Thor were SvS D1, and karnos hardbussed D2. Had to lynch D3 given the bad claim. Arona/I thought karnos was a good target to recruit into the Neighborhood.

In post 608, karnos wrote:Town: it's a scum claim to quick hammer, don't do it.

Nice scum claim quickhammering Thor.

PenguinPower · Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:15 am

Lots of unnecessary words.

1st wall: I guess we disagree. I think votes are the only thing that matter in the end, and karnos was weakly pushing Thor while voting elsewhere. I already said his D2 was bussing, and D3 had to happen given the claim. Literally said that right above.

2nd wall: Whatever. It was a quickhammer.
From Wiki:

is a technique (usually) used by scum to
secure a lynch by hammering a player before anyone can react.