Micro 643: Desperation Day (Game Over)

[Alchemist21]

L-2. Black Star, mas y menos, and me are the ones voting him right now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay.
VOTE: key

L-1

[rb]

Can we not speedlynch? Thanks.

[keyenpeydee]

I'm happy that I'm being wagoned

[keyenpeydee]

I can hammer myself if yall want to rush things.

[keyenpeydee]

If I'm getting lynched, I want yall to focus on mas y menos and xyzzy. Thanks

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

keyenpeydee

(4): BlackStar, Mas y Menos, Alchemist21, Gamma Emerald

Mas y Menos

(3): xyzzy, Comparing Realities, BTD6_maker

xyzzy

(2): rb, keyenpeydee

With 9 votes in play, 5 votes are required for a lynch.
Deadline is Thursday 22 September at 06:10 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2016-09-22 06:10:00)

)

[Gamma Emerald]

I can hammer myself if yall want to rush things.

I think we have our scum here. Don't hammer this guy yet though, we have plenty of time to discuss.

[Gamma Emerald]

Reads:
Town: CR, rb
Null: BTD6, BlackStar, Mas
Scum: key, xyzzy, Alchemist

[BlackStar]

I can hammer myself if yall want to rush things.

I think we have our scum here. Don't hammer this guy yet though, we have plenty of time to discuss.

What do you want to discuss?

[Alchemist21]

Bussing isn't favorable for micros in general, and I think for this setup particularly. If Key's scum, BlackStar should be treated as confTown, and I think it points towards xyzzy being more likely Town as well. The association with xyzzy isn't as solid given that Key seems to be the least familiar with site meta and experience, but given he was one of the many people Key hopped his vote onto, I think it's a good indicator.

The wagon composition itself looks good on Key imo. Mas y menos are solid Town, I'm still pretty sure Gamma is Town, and Black Star is Town especially if Key is scum. (I'll admit, my read on Black Star would weaken if key is Town, but the case was solid and other signs point to key being scum here).

[Gamma Emerald]

I can hammer myself if yall want to rush things.

I think we have our scum here. Don't hammer this guy yet though, we have plenty of time to discuss.

What do you want to discuss?

We should all make read lists.

[Alchemist21]

Town Reads:
rb
gamma emerald
mas y menos (strong)
Black Star

scum reads:
btd6_maker
keyenpeydee

The other two are still null (xyzzy shifts to Town in case of Key scumflip).

[keyenpeydee]

BlackStar is on my town read list even though he suspects me. I would've suspected myself if I were on yall's case.

[Mas y Menos]

Town: Rb and Alchemist21 and BTD6
Lean Town: Blackstar
Null: Comparing Realities, Gamma Emerald
Scum: XYZ, Keyenpeydee

So yeah, totally fine if we rushed this day too. Beyond gamma I think everyone else is for very likely town on the wagon.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

If I'm getting lynched, I want yall to focus on mas y menos and xyzzy. Thanks

Why these two btw?
Your reads have been changing rapidly but lately XYZ is always on them.

Can you explain that read anymore?

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Reads:
Town: CR, rb
Null: BTD6, BlackStar, Mas
Scum: key, xyzzy, Alchemist

How is CR a townread for you?
For making a wall post?

~Mas Y

[Gamma Emerald]

Reads:
Town: CR, rb
Null: BTD6, BlackStar, Mas
Scum: key, xyzzy, Alchemist

How is CR a townread for you?
For making a wall post?

~Mas Y

For his opening.

[BlackStar]

Town: rb
Town lean:mas, btd
Null:gamma, alchemist
Scum lean:comparing realities
Scum: xyzzy, key

[Alchemist21]

I like Black Star's case on Key and it makes sense. I could compromise on xyzzy if I had to, but I'd still prefer the BTD lynch to xyzzy.

Fire's reaction to L-1 here should leave no doubt that they're Town. He'd be trolling at this point rather than trying to get out serious thoughts on the game.

VOTE: keyenpeydee

@Mas y menos, why do you think BTD is solid Town? What am I missing here?

[Mas y Menos]

I think he is setting himself up for too many enemies than he did in the previous game I played with him.
In the prevous one he picked his battles very very meticulously and it showed in his reads.

He wouldn't have many scumreads at a time.
Here he has way more than the other game.
It feels like he is trying to sort people more, and doesn't care who he upsets by doing it.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

Reads:
Town: CR, rb
Null: BTD6, BlackStar, Mas
Scum: key, xyzzy, Alchemist

How is CR a townread for you?
For making a wall post?

~Mas Y

For his opening.

Thats bad.

~Mas Y

[Gamma Emerald]

Why?

[keyenpeydee]

If I'm getting lynched, I want yall to focus on mas y menos and xyzzy. Thanks

Why these two btw?
Your reads have been changing rapidly but lately XYZ is always on them.

Can you explain that read anymore?

~Mas Y

How many times do I need to explain?

And it's a gut feeling.

[Comparing Realities]

Huh.
Honestly, I wasn't taking the dabbing panda seriously until Black Star's rantument. The first half makes a great case on key, but in the second half, it feels like Black is swamped down by his thoughts, grasping at straws, whatever term you'd like to use. That same thought process befalls me frequently as scum, so by an argument via empathy, if key is town, I think Black looks pretty bad. I don't think town would go all-out like that so early.
...But why'd Black stir so much up in the first place? He'd FOSed key weakly once before, said he was "suspicious," and made one post about Black being wagon-happy before he started the rantument. Why even bother bringing it all up, if he was scum? The only reason I can think of is to distract from the then-at-L-1 Mas wagon. Key looked weird, Black had FOSed him before, it was a natural fit if you wanted to preserve a buddy.
Other than that, I see no motivation for scum!BlackStar to distract from the town!Mas D1 fodder.

If BlackStar is scum, Mas has to be the partner.

Of course, if we end up lynching Mas, and they do flip scum, then BlackStar looks bad in hindsight... Seems a pretty brazen move, actually.
Other than all that, I do townread Black. I still don't like Mas. If Mas is town, BlackStar is confirmed town, I'd say, but if Mas is scum, then BlackStar would be one of my main targets for tomorrow.

Mas, thoughts on this wagon? I have some, but you're the one at risk so I want you to say it first.

Well I think its kind of funny both my scumreads are now on my wagon.
I think this game is simple enough as XYZ and Key being the scum team.

Everyone else by default is town.

~Mas Y

XYZ and key might individually be scummy (both have bad vote patterns essentially) but I don't see why they're a good team together. Key seemed to have a predisposition towards lynching XYZ instead of rb, remember? Dropped the rb vote immediately, unvoting in the exact same post, almost as if he was predetermined to lynch xyzzy and the results of the ISO were inconsequential, because he'd already mad cup his mind he was going to decide xyzzy was worthy of a vote. BlackStar said as much in the rantument. For that reason alone, I don't think key/xyz is a viable team.
The thing about key is that he's a compatible partner with, like, everyone except those currently voting him. If key is scum, and another scum is currently on the wagon, it's got to be BTD6 bussing, wanting to look good despite his moderate lurking, and betting on nobody actually wanting to hammer so early in the day. We have ten more days, after all; who wants to be the one to cut that short?

Null-weak Town: RB, Comparing Realities
Null: Blackstar, Gamma Emerald
Nullscum: Keyenpeydee, Xyzzy
Weak scum: Mas y Menos,Alchemist21

Does this help?

Yeah, I think this is town.

~Mas Y

What about that readslist possibly pegs the BTD6 as town from your point of view? He said that I'm (your biggest detractor) town, you're scum, and BlackStar, the one who started the wagon you now support, is merely "null". You should be diametrically opposed to him, but you say he's town for no reason, other than your two biggest FOSes being slightly scum.

rb, well i did an iso read and gotta say I'm actually surprised that her vote still stays on mas y menos despite saying you're a strong lynch candidate which is kinda alarming for me.

VOTE: xyzzy

Care to explain why rb is a strong lynch candidate? Make it detailed.

And I'm sorry for voting you, rb because I just don't like what you're doing rn. Explain it would get me replaced but Imma trust you now. And also, I did a xyzzy iso so I don't quite sheep you.

Pretty sure this was attempt to create distance.

~Mas Y

But by creating this "distance", he brings attention to xyzzy who otherwise was mostly unremarkable, and then this lynch is what triggers Black's rantument. That's a terrible thing to do to his partner.

I like Black Star's case on Key and it makes sense. I could compromise on xyzzy if I had to, but I'd still prefer the BTD lynch to xyzzy.

Fire's reaction to L-1 here should leave no doubt that they're Town. He'd be trolling at this point rather than trying to get out serious thoughts on the game.

VOTE: keyenpeydee

@Mas y menos, why do you think BTD is solid Town? What am I missing here?

Why this post is scummy?

1.) Sheeped BlackStar
2.) Prefers BTD lynch but votes for me.

If you prefer BTD lynch, Then push for it. Don't sheep BlackStar.

"I like Black Star's case on Key and it makes sense..."
Arghh, I don't know why, but I really don't like that sentence. It's bad, for some reason. Just awful. Friggin' terrible. I hate it. And I scum read alchemist now because of it,

and I don't know why and it's terrible

and the fact that this is strong enough for me to publicly out a gut read of mine, which I almost never do, is insane.
This is not sleeping. I think Black's argument was sufficient that it could change someone's mind without that person being accused of sheeping. You never dismissed Black's accusations, either, so you have

no right

to accuse his supporters of sheeping. If someone were to hear you say "Black is scum" and the only arguments you can offer are "I'm not scum" and "I don't like Black thinking I'm scum", then

that

would be sheeping.

He is voting you, he said he preferred BTD6 over xyzzy, and that he "could compromise" on xyzzy from key. In other words, he has three scum reads right now, any of which he could tolerate a lynch on, in the following order of preference:
key > xyzzy
BTD6 > xyzzy
Therefore, key > BTD6 > xyzzy. Not inconsistent, just poorly worded.

Also, you're becoming a lot more aggressive since Black FOSed you.

So what if, If I'm town?

Hold up.
"...if, If I'm town..."
Sounds like you were typing something rather more than that one question, when you self-interrupted, self-censored, and went with the standard meaningless question. Nobody's mind just naturally flows like that. It was a short post. You typed what you thought, and since this can't be what you thought, it can't be what you really typed, either.
What were you about to say?

Mas wagon is shit.

Thank you for your eloquent, precisely contemplated pro-town rebuttal of a major wagon.
Tell me, rb; what is "the word"? I did a bad job with it, actually. You should remember.

I think there's probably scum on it. I have to rethink my key townread because a thing happened that I'm not so sure I like.

Their vote on me looked town, but the way they moved it didn't. It didn't make sense for town to move vote, but it made sense for scum because I was townreading them. They moved vote because they didn't want to vote an "ally" and had zero suspicion of me townreading them. Shit he even apologized for voting me.

I rarely think it's so easy to find scum but I think key really might be scum with xyzzy.

It's not that easy.
Key and xyzzy hurt each other, they can't be a team. If they are both scum, I will eat my underwear and I'll send you the video.

Okay.
VOTE: key

L-1

You do realize you're doing the exact same thing key as initially FOSed for, right?

Town: Rb and Alchemist21 and BTD6
Lean Town: Blackstar
Null: Comparing Realities, Gamma Emerald
Scum: XYZ, Keyenpeydee

So yeah, totally fine if we rushed this day too. Beyond gamma I think everyone else is for very likely town on the wagon.

~Mas Y

Why am I null? I was scum until I made my second megapost. How did that convince you I was null instead of scum?

Reads:
Town: CR, rb
Null: BTD6, BlackStar, Mas
Scum: key, xyzzy, Alchemist

How is CR a townread for you?
For making a wall post?

~Mas Y

For his opening.

Please be a joke?
Also, Mas, why did you so flippantly ask, "why is CR town to you?" if you yourself don't think I'm scum apparently?

So far it seems that most of my scum reads are because they're opportunistic voters.

Town:

Black Star

Town lean:

None

Null:

redbaron, alchemist (?!?!), xyzzy (sorry, I jut don't see it, there's the one chainsaw but that might just have been coincidence)

Scum lean:

Key, BTD6, Gamma

Scum:

Mas

Aaaand half the players are scum. Great job, me '-_-