Newbie 1725: Innocents, Inc. [Game Over!]

Harkonnen97 · Post Post #925 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:36 pm

In post 924, Shadow_step wrote:@IV, VC please.

Loop moved his vote from serrapaladin to Thor
Thor moved his vote from Loop to Blank
The rest is the same.

Loopdan · Post Post #926 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:21 am

In post 923, BlankFace wrote:
In post 914, Loopdan wrote:Town!Blank, I apologize if you feel backed into a corner. I'm sorry Creature thinks you are lurking when you are simply gainfully employed. But Thor has not helped town figure out this game at all. He doesn't look like an experienced town IC trying to solve the game.

In post 913, Loopdan wrote:
In post 900, Loopdan wrote:Town!Blank votes Thor here to save his hide. scum!Blank stalls and hopes for no-lynch if Thor is his scum-buddy, but goes for the lynch if Thor is town.
@Blank-- Which part of the above do you disagree with?
Don't aologize. I'm not backed into a corner.

The part that deals in absolutes. The part that paints me like shit no matter what I do. You are setting up your next mislynch as scum. Here's what you laid out:
1. I vote Thor, out of self preservation. Easy to see scum motivation for me there after the fact.
2. I, as scum "stall" and hope for a no lynch? [like what in the actual fuck? In what world is a NL EVER going to happen first of all, second of all how does a NL benefit me as scum? Prolonging the game does not help scum. That's more days to trying to fly under the radar.
3. I, as scum, vote Thor to for the mislynch.

Of those three scenarios, all three paint me as scum in the long run. All three are easy setups to push me tomorrow should Thor be lynched today and he flips town. That is the issue that I have with that post.

I also don't like being told what to do. Just look at my interactions with/ignoring Shadow Step.

I don't see how you could be misunderstanding my simple statement. I said that town!Blank and scum!Blank would vote Thor, unless you are both scum, then scum!Blank stalls. Which is now what you are doing.

I don't understand why, if you are town, you wouldn't vote Thor right now, even if he is your top town read. If you are town, you are 100% confirmed by your role pm. No other town-read Day 1 is confirmed. Why would you allow conftown (you) to be lynched over another player?

And you are trying to sell my statement as a setup to lynch you later no matter what you do now. I already said I am OK with either of these wagons. So yeah, whoever we lynch today, I'm looking at the other tomorrow.

Blank voting Thor in this situation is NAI. Blank not voting Thor in this situation is either showing us the scum team, or stubbornness.

Loopdan · Post Post #927 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:40 am

The Thor vote puts Blank at L-1. I intend to hammer Blank at deadline if there is no L-1 vote and intent to hammer on Thor.

Shadow_step · Post Post #928 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:29 am

We can lynch scum day 1 people, just move to MT

serrapaladin · Post Post #929 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:30 am

In post 926, Loopdan wrote:I don't see how you could be misunderstanding my simple statement. I said that town!Blank and scum!Blank would vote Thor, unless you are both scum, then scum!Blank stalls. Which is now what you are doing.

I don't understand why, if you are town, you wouldn't vote Thor right now, even if he is your top town read. If you are town, you are 100% confirmed by your role pm. No other town-read Day 1 is confirmed. Why would you allow conftown (you) to be lynched over another player?

And you are trying to sell my statement as a setup to lynch you later no matter what you do now. I already said I am OK with either of these wagons. So yeah, whoever we lynch today, I'm looking at the other tomorrow.

Blank voting Thor in this situation is NAI. Blank not voting Thor in this situation is either showing us the scum team, or stubbornness.

I'm sorry to say this view is quite simplistic. Overly survivalist behaviour is frequently viewed as a scum-tell, because the psychology of "everyone but me" interferes with having actual reads. Immediately jumping on a counter wagon you don't believe in can frequently lead to momentum swinging back the other way. At this point, the well is poisoned and Blank's stubbornness is NAI.

Creature · Post Post #930 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:31 am

In post 928, Shadow_step wrote:We can lynch scum day 1 people, just move to MT

I'd love this dead.

Shadow_step · Post Post #931 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:34 am

I will be if we don't lynch MT today.

Tomorrow MT is going to keep crying about wifom,

Creature · Post Post #932 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:36 am

Blank or Thor?

Shadow_step · Post Post #933 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:37 am

Basically the case on Thor - he is not as active he should be as town IC.. WTF?

Basically the case on Thor - he is not as active as he should be as town, meta from another game....WTF?

Do you seriously think the Day 1 lynch should be between these people??

Shadow_step · Post Post #934 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:37 am

ebwop

In post 933, Shadow_step wrote:Basically the case on Thor - he is not as active he should be as town IC.. WTF?

Basically the case on Blank - he is not as active as he should be as town, meta from another game....WTF?

Do you seriously think the Day 1 lynch should be between these people??

Creature · Post Post #935 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:37 am

It's not Thor's activity that bothers.

Shadow_step · Post Post #936 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:38 am

In post 932, Creature wrote:Blank or Thor?

I will hammer Blank if needed.

Harkonnen97 · Post Post #937 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:06 am

What about Penguin? Anyone up for that?

Harkonnen97 · Post Post #938 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:08 am

His "pushing" on Blank at the moment the wagon on him picked up momentum and he is close to getting lynched is bonkers.

Creature · Post Post #939 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:12 am

Not sure the way Thor town read Penguin.

Creature · Post Post #940 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:17 am

If we're going to push another wagon, we won't get much support, and it's not a good idea as we're forcing another player to claim.

Harkonnen97 · Post Post #941 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:20 am

Penguin is playing very passively. He barely and half-heartedly pushes for his scumreads. Passive playstyle is something valid and I can see a town doing it. However, Penguin is a newbie. Fabricating scumreads is

much

harder than fabricating town reads, since you already know who is town and who is scum. So sitting back and letting others push the wagons is something I can easily see a new scum player do.

Pengo, you're fucking scum mate.

p-edit: someone put Thor at L-1 and force him to claim or move to Penguin then. Thor isn't pressured to claim when he's at L-2.

Creature · Post Post #942 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:22 am

Thor said he won't be around during deadline, if he was PR he would've claimed.

Creature · Post Post #943 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:22 am

Thor flipping scum would make Penguin pretty much town imo.

Harkonnen97 · Post Post #944 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:24 am

In post 942, Creature wrote:Thor said he won't be around during deadline, if he was PR he would've claimed.

Why would anyone hammer at L-2 when there's no intent to hammer?

In post 943, Creature wrote:Thor flipping scum would make Penguin pretty much town imo.

Explain please

Harkonnen97 · Post Post #945 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:25 am

Why would anyone claim at L-2*

Loopdan · Post Post #946 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:26 am

In post 940, Creature wrote:If we're going to push another wagon, we won't get much support, and it's not a good idea as we're forcing another player to claim.

I made this point before. Blank has already claimed VT. We should not be forcing other claims at this point unless there is a clear target that is agreed upon.

Now Thor says he won't be back until after deadline, which means no claim from him. So do we lynch Thor with no claim or lynch Blank who already claimed VT? I'm leaning Blank based on that, but maybe that's Thor's strategy?

serrapaladin · Post Post #947 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:28 am

In post 941, Harkonnen97 wrote:Penguin is playing very passively. He barely and half-heartedly pushes for his scumreads. Passive playstyle is something valid and I can see a town doing it. However, Penguin is a newbie. Fabricating scumreads is
much
harder than fabricating town reads, since you already know who is town and who is scum. So sitting back and letting others push the wagons is something I can easily see a new scum player do.

Pengo, you're fucking scum mate.

p-edit: someone put Thor at L-1 and force him to claim or move to Penguin then. Thor isn't pressured to claim when he's at L-2.

Why do you want thor to claim when we have Blank sitting at L-1 (I think), and we've already had him claim?

Harkonnen97 · Post Post #948 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:28 am

If I'm not mistaken, Thor announced he will be v/la before anyone even voted for Blank I think. I don't see the connection there.

p-edit: Because I think Blank is town and Thor is scum.

serrapaladin · Post Post #949 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:29 am

In post 946, Loopdan wrote:
In post 940, Creature wrote:If we're going to push another wagon, we won't get much support, and it's not a good idea as we're forcing another player to claim.
I made this point before. Blank has already claimed VT. We should not be forcing other claims at this point unless there is a clear target that is agreed upon.

Now Thor says he won't be back until after deadline, which means no claim from him. So do we lynch Thor with no claim or lynch Blank who already claimed VT? I'm leaning Blank based on that, but maybe that's Thor's strategy?

This is more townposting btw.

Fwiw, I don't question his VLA.