Newbie 1725: Innocents, Inc. [Game Over!]

[Loopdan]

Town!Blank votes Thor here to save his hide. scum!Blank stalls and hopes for no-lynch if Thor is his scum-buddy, but goes for the lynch if Thor is town.

@BlankFace-- You know you have to vote Thor, right?

And Thor pretty much has to vote Blank to set-up Shadow for the decision on who to hammer.

[Creature]

Yeah, Blank not voting his counterwagon is worrying.

[Creature]

Are you town reading BlankFace and/or Thor?

If you're not town reading any, try to look for the most viable wagon.
If you're town reading one of them, vote the other.
If you're town reading both, then maybe you can try a counterwagon.

[serrapaladin]

I would probably hammer anyone who hasn't claimed a PR D1 to avoid a no-lynch.

Flipped newb!scum generally makes it easier to identify scumbuddies. If town!thor believes you're scum, then parking his vote on you and making that case is surely pro-town play? I would like him to be more active around deadline, but VLAs are legit.

I think we should just go with Blank.

[Loopdan]

Then you'll probably need to convince shadow of that.

[Loopdan]

Yeah, Blank not voting his counterwagon is worrying.

Why is it worrying? He isn't here.

[Creature]

Nevermind, but I think he should.

[serrapaladin]

Then you'll probably need to convince shadow of that.

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[Harkonnen97]

@Creature and Hark
Why jumping off the wagon so fast?

I was never on Blank's wagon in the first place. I jumped off Paladin's wagon because

you

jumped off of it and made it hard/nearly impossible to lynch him today.

[Loopdan]

Then you'll probably need to convince shadow of that.

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Town!Blank votes Thor here to save his hide. scum!Blank stalls and hopes for no-lynch if Thor is his scum-buddy, but goes for the lynch if Thor is town.

@BlankFace-- You know you have to vote Thor, right?

And Thor pretty much has to vote Blank to set-up Shadow for the decision on who to hammer.

[BlankFace]

Yeah, Blank not voting his counterwagon is worrying.

Blank having real life responsibilities means he isn't going to be here every minute of the day. Driving home right now. Just tired of this "blank is lurking" bs.

For future reference, if I'm working, I either get a 15 minute window or a 45 minute window to check my phone. You shouldn't expect me post anything then.

I'll read things over when I get settled at home.

Also Loop. I do not have to vote for and huge fucking

HoS

at you for the context of that post.

That post alone makes me skeptical of a Thor wagon, looking at it from scum!Loop's PoV.

[BlankFace]

By driving home, I should say sitting on my porch having dinner. I started that post before I srove away from work.

[Loopdan]

Yeah, Blank not voting his counterwagon is worrying.

Blank having real life responsibilities means he isn't going to be here every minute of the day. Driving home right now. Just tired of this "blank is lurking" bs.

For future reference, if I'm working, I either get a 15 minute window or a 45 minute window to check my phone. You shouldn't expect me post anything then.

I'll read things over when I get settled at home.

Also Loop. I do not have to vote for and huge fucking

HoS

at you for the context of that post.

That post alone makes me skeptical of a Thor wagon, looking at it from scum!Loop's PoV.

Well yeah, you don't

have to

vote Thor, but why would town!Blank allow himself to be lynched over another player?

I'm ok with this setup. Thor and Blank are both acceptable lynches for me (although I'd prefer Thor), and I like the idea of shadow having to choose who between them to hammer. I'm not sure on his slot, so the choice and flip helps sort there, too.

[Loopdan]

Town!Blank votes Thor here to save his hide. scum!Blank stalls and hopes for no-lynch if Thor is his scum-buddy, but goes for the lynch if Thor is town.

@Blank-- Which part of the above do you disagree with?

[Loopdan]

Town!Blank, I apologize if you feel backed into a corner. I'm sorry Creature thinks you are lurking when you are simply gainfully employed. But Thor has not helped town figure out this game at all. He doesn't look like an experienced town IC trying to solve the game.

[Creature]

He doesn't look like an experienced town IC trying to solve the game.

This.

[Creature]

but why would town!Blank allow himself to be lynched over another player?

Why would scum!Blank allow himself to be lynched when his lynch could make a huge impact?

[serrapaladin]

Thor/Blank is a possibility to consider, but the association tell only really works with a Blank scum flip.

[Loopdan]

Thor/Blank is a possibility to consider, but the association tell only really works with a Blank scum flip.

Why doesn't the association tell work the other way?

[Loopdan]

I don't really want to explain this any more. Thor isn't someone I scumread, and because of who he is, this makes me more opposed to lynching him than others.

"Because of who he is"? What does this mean? I know he is an active experienced player. Is there more to it than that?

What do you make of Thor parking his vote on me the entire game and failing to lead town in scum-hunting? I'm genuinely interested in hearing an explanation of how his actions have been pro-town.

Also, would you hammer Thor at deadline to avoid a no-lynch?

@serrapal-- You only answered the last question above. What about the others?

[serrapaladin]

If Blank is scum, not jumping on the wagon makes most sense with scum!thor. On the other hand, town!Blank may have other reasons for not immediately jumping the wagon, such as thinking thor is not necessarily scum, which scum!Blank isn't burdened by. Unfortunately there's the alternate interpretation of scum!Blank not wanting to seem scummy by immediately jumping on the next counter-wagon, which can't really be discerned any more at this point. Still, if Blank flips scum, I would be more happy to consider a thor lynch tomorrow.

[Thor665]

@Missy and Thor, why do you two disagree with a Paladin lynch?

Describe the case on him.
I don't think one exists.

I actively dislike the serrapaladin wagon.

What about the BlankFace wagon?

I would consider that a reasonable compromise - you like it, Loop hasn't touched it with a 10 foot pole. It could provide some info.

I actively dislike the serrapaladin wagon.

Then push something other than Loopdan.

You mean like Creature?
Also Loopdan?

Here;s a bit of advice - if you're town, push your scum reads. Don't random push emptiness.

Question,
If someone says their intent to hammer and the person at L-1 doesn't give a claim, can you still lynch them and how long should you wait before hammering?

Depends on your purpose for declaring the hammer intent - personally I'd maybe give them 12-24 hours after their initial non-claim post.
Not much point to not hammering them if they don't claim if you're otherwise bought into the wagon.

He doesn't look like an experienced town IC trying to solve the game.

This.

Says my two top scumreads...
Like, basically you're both being strategic/salty because I scumread you, and trying to act like I've failed to advance cases - yet oddly neither can even apparently see the case I made on the other.

Since I'm not going to be around again prior to deadline;

Vote: Blank

Do as you shall.
I will point out that there isn't actually a case on me besides Creature and Loop's harping about how I need to "do more" somehow - while apparently not finding multiple reads, multiple town and scum cases, and commenting on basically everything in the game as "enough" I suppose.
It's BS - but I've been lynched over it before, and probably will be lynched over it again - I will mock you in post game if it happens this time too.

[serrapaladin]

That's the problem basically.

Unfortunately, OMGUS alone is not that alignment indicative, and to town!creature and town!loop, thor's cases against them doesn't really count as contribution, because it's wrong.

[BlankFace]

Town!Blank, I apologize if you feel backed into a corner. I'm sorry Creature thinks you are lurking when you are simply gainfully employed. But Thor has not helped town figure out this game at all. He doesn't look like an experienced town IC trying to solve the game.

Town!Blank votes Thor here to save his hide. scum!Blank stalls and hopes for no-lynch if Thor is his scum-buddy, but goes for the lynch if Thor is town.

@Blank-- Which part of the above do you disagree with?

Don't aologize. I'm not backed into a corner.

The part that deals in absolutes. The part that paints me like shit no matter what I do. You are setting up your next mislynch as scum. Here's what you laid out:
1. I vote Thor, out of self preservation. Easy to see scum motivation for me there after the fact.
2. I, as scum "stall" and hope for a no lynch? [like what in the actual fuck? In what world is a NL EVER going to happen first of all, second of all how does a NL benefit me as scum? Prolonging the game does not help scum. That's more days to trying to fly under the radar.
3. I, as scum, vote Thor to for the mislynch.

Of those three scenarios, all three paint me as scum in the long run. All three are easy setups to push me tomorrow should Thor be lynched today and he flips town. That is the issue that I have with that post.

I also don't like being told what to do. Just look at my interactions with/ignoring Shadow Step.

[Shadow_step]

@IV, VC please.