In post 390, Loopdan wrote:@Thor-- I didn't immediately place my vote on you because I'm still reading some of your meta, and I can't figure out if you are scum or town unable to reconsider reads. I think you've only made one pro-town comment about me since your first post.
Yeah - so you called me scummy for not doing it.
So I showed that I *had* done it - and then challenged you to do the same.
So the gauntlet toss down was by me, based off an attack you made against me.
Your quote proves you did list that as an issue in me, so what's your issue in me listing it as an issue with you?
So you have no defense against my allegation that you've misconstrued my posts on this topic?
I already answered your attempt to throw this back at me in post 393. I'm not writing a wall to defend the diversity of my reads on you. Anybody following the game can see I have been open to the possibility of town!Thor. I don't think the same can be said for your consideration of town!Loopdan. You can try another angle of attack on 390, but ultimately that's what this comes down to.
Oh, and your scummy attempts to misconstrue my post.
In post 624, serrapaladin wrote:His defaulting to attacking the inactive slots when pressure on thor wasn't sticking has me mildly leaning towards the latter.
At this point I was townleaning on Thor and I wanted to get reads on the inactive slots.
Also his attitude towards Loop's meta on lucca feels opportunistic.
In post 621, serrapaladin wrote:
So it's ridiculous to think that Thor would choose to lurk until prodded at game start as IC in a Newbie. I feel like Creature should know this. Or have figured it out by browsing some of Thor's games. Or change his mind when Thor directly pointed out how ridiculous it is. Or when the mod literally confirmed there were no links to the thread.
I tend to agree. This is the town-case I have for Thor that I mentioned a few posts back. I first made note of this here:
In post 208, Loopdan wrote:Creature v. Thor is going nowhere. I tend to think Thor's inactivity is more likely a town indicator than scum. What does he gain other than undue attention by avoiding the game? Also, it would be against the spirit of the IC role to do this intentionally.
Thor's lurking at game start is the towniest thing he has done all game.
In post 621, serrapaladin wrote:So it's ridiculous to think that Thor would choose to lurk until prodded at game start as IC in a Newbie. I feel like Creature should know this. Or have figured it out by browsing some of Thor's games. Or change his mind when Thor directly pointed out how ridiculous it is. Or when the mod literally confirmed there were no links to the thread.
If you notice, I already changed my mind halfway the discussion.
In post 633, Loopdan wrote:Thor's lurking at game start is the towniest thing he has done all game.
I can't tell if that's a humorous way of you saying that Thor is scum, or you actually believe that.
@Creature This looks more of a playstyle comparison than a town/scum comparison to me tbh. You are flip-flopping and changing your reads often, while Thor is bullheaded and doesn't. I find both of your playstyles in that regard NAI.
In post 633, Loopdan wrote:Thor's lurking at game start is the towniest thing he has done all game.
I can't tell if that's a humorous way of you saying that Thor is scum, or you actually believe that.
I don't think he would intentionally lurk as scum while in the IC role. So I accept his statement that he just missed the game thread.
And... I'm an idiot. That means he could have missed it as scum or as town, and so this is NAI. Thor did say it was NAI in reply to my 208 originally, but I still missed this until just now.
In post 578, Harkonnen97 wrote:If there aren't enough supporters for a Shadow lynch I'm moving to Thor.
I much prefer Shadow to Thor, but I'm still hoping for a LoopDan.
In post 584, Loopdan wrote:Just to be clear on my position: Lucca flaking out is not what I find scummy. What I found scummy were his early interactions in the part of the game when he was actively posting that looks different from his other (town) game, where he was engaged and analytical.
Which of his 10 posts were disengaged and lacking analysis up until the Sunday where he stopped and later got replaced for inactivity?
In post 584, Loopdan wrote:Just to be clear on my position: Lucca flaking out is not what I find scummy. What I found scummy were his early interactions in the part of the game when he was actively posting that looks different from his other (town) game, where he was engaged and analytical.
Which of his 10 posts were disengaged and lacking analysis up until the Sunday where he stopped and later got replaced for inactivity?
Go read the first 200 posts of that other game. Then come back and read the first 200 posts of this game. There is a clear difference in lucca's play between these two games that goes beyond inactivity.
Serious question: You can make a meta-case based on one other game?
When it's all you have on a player and you have no other strong scum-reads, sure, why not? I've never sold the lucca-slot as must lynch 100% confirmed scum. I initially voted lucca because I had no vote placed and the slot needed pressure. Then I read the iso and liked my vote even more.
There's a difference between asking why you're currently scumreading my slot and asking about your progression throughout the game. I've posted my conclusion about the quality of your thought-process earlier. I'm still trying to make up my mind where on the bad/scummy line you fall.
