Newbie 1725: Innocents, Inc. [Game Over!]

[Shadow_step]

I re-read Penguin's ISO, and checked the timings of his posts, and it's making me reconsider a bit. Moving him up a notch for now.

Town - Loopdan
Lean Town - MissTerry, BlankFace, Creature
Null - Lucca, Penguin
Lean Scum - Shadow
Scum - Thor

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Shadow_step

Why are you scum reading Thor and why are you leaning town on BlankF and MissT?

[Shadow_step]

Welcome Shadow.

Why are you putting the person with the biggest wagon on L-1 before you even caught up?

The day you find out why, you'd have become a better mafia player.

[Shadow_step]

Does anyone?

Creature.

Also sorry for that long Smurf wall. I should probably start dissecting Thor's walls when I answer then.

Yeah, I don't know about anyone else, but the orange text answers in my quotes when I'm quoting orange text answers takes a little while to sort out.

/modkills Thor

for quote editing

If anyone hammers Loopdan without first saying "I intend to hammer Loopdan" will be considered to be claiming scum and will be lynched Day 2.
Also, even if he does say that he has intent, he should wait for Loopdan to claim his role, in case he claims a PR (PR stands for Power Role, which means a town role that isn't Vanilla Townie; basically all town roles with abilities).

You really think that scum are that stupid that they will expose themselves on day 1 with such a stupid hammer?

[Shadow_step]

I read till about page 10 and then got bored.
I don't think I've ever read "lurking" and "IC' so many times .

Creature why were ypi so obsessed with lurking since the start of the game, I haven't played many games with you but I haven't seen such a thing from you before.

[Harkonnen97]

I am scumreading Thor because I feel like he has been giving too much attention to Loopdan, doesn't interact with others that much, firmly believes that Loop is scum and refuses to consider that he could be wrong. Also he is incredibly nitpicky. The scummy things that Loop has done could be things that a newb town would make, but he refuses to think that way even for a second.

I am leaning town on Blank because his reads give me a fuck ton of town vibes. The only reason I'm not putting him at strong town lean is because I don't like his intentional lurking. His reasoning is plausible, but lurking as scum, in order to see how the game progresses before you start making fake reads in order to benefit you and your scumpartner is also a possbility. (Another reason I'm scumreading Thor - the inactivity at the start. I can't be 100% certain that he is telling the truth.)

Leaning town on MissTerry because she is behaving just like a newb townie would behave in my eyes. She is constantly sharing her throught process, because she wants to be understood.

Welcome Shadow.

Why are you putting the person with the biggest wagon on L-1 before you even caught up?

The day you find out why, you'd have become a better mafia player.

I'm moving you from Lean Scum to Scum because of this post. This is not a valid answer to the question. Instead of walking me through your thought process, you answer in a cryptic way. This prevents you from being read, and gives you alot of possibilities about how to continue your play. So far, only me, Loop and Thor have mentioned you putting Loop on L-1. Let me guess, you are waiting for everyone else to give your opinion, see how everyone thinks, and then you will actually answer the question, in a way that benefits you the most? (as in, you will give the reason that the most people will guess?)

[Harkonnen97]

Also, the thing I said about hammering is directed to everyone. A town hammering without giving intent is a possibility. (I was town in my previous game and I did it. Twice. )

[Shadow_step]

Maybe, maybe not ^

Saying that MissT is prob scum too.

[Harkonnen97]

Do you have reads?

[Harkonnen97]

Creature why were ypi so obsessed with lurking since the start of the game, I haven't played many games with you but I haven't seen such a thing from you before.

Also I'm pretty sure this was asked a million times already and Creature already answered.

[Shadow_step]

I do, I'll share them when I see fit.

[Harkonnen97]

I can only see 3 reasons for you to refuse to interact with me:

1) You think I'm scum

2) You think I'm a newb town and not worth your time

2) You're scum

Which one is it?

[Harkonnen97]

3)*

[PenguinPower]

Maybe, maybe not ^

Saying that MissT is prob scum too.

Why do you think she's scum? I get a town vibe from her posts so far.

[Thor665]

I would guardedly second a Miss Terry town read. The issues I have with her vibe newb energy more than specifically newb scum energy.

[Creature]

Shadow, please, fully catch up, you're currently just nitpicking what already has been answered.

[Creature]

And now that everyone has posted:

Town: Harkonnen97, MissTerry, lucca641
Townleans: BlankFace (lol)
Null/scum: PenguinPower
Scumleans*: Thor665, Loopdan, Shadow_step

* = Doesn't mean I think they're scum together.

[Creature]

^ Btw, coincidentally that's the order of my reads (except I think Loop is townier than Thor665):

Harkonnen97
MissTerry
lucca6411
BlankFace
PenguinPower
Loopdan
Thor665
Shadow_step

[Loopdan]

@Loop - also, you seem to be calling me scum, yet you're voting Shadow for a pretty clear reaction test vote - a method you yourself cited using earlier in the game. WHy does that make him more scummy than me, especially since I have Blank voting me for all those details that you like?

I'm not sure you should be comparing me voting the second vote as a reaction test in RVS to Shadow voting me to L-1 without reading the thread.

Why is he scummier than you? He was in a scummy slot and his entrance into the game was pro-scum. Didn't I already say that? And you may be overestimating my scum-read on you. You've been null to me for much of this game, but recent events have made you lean-scum in my eyes.

[Creature]

I think it's prodtime for lucca261.

[Loopdan]

^ Btw, coincidentally that's the order of my reads (except I think Loop is townier than Thor665):

Harkonnen97
MissTerry
lucca6411
BlankFace
PenguinPower
Loopdan
Thor665
Shadow_step

Why is your vote still on BlankFace?

[Thor665]

I'm not sure you should be comparing me voting the second vote as a reaction test in RVS to Shadow voting me to L-1 without reading the thread.

I am exactly comparing it - are you claiming his one and only scumplan there was to vote you, announce it was L-1, and then hope some derp newb would wander in and hammer you?
Because I feel like that's what you're saying, and I'm saying to you that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Why is he scummier than you? He was in a scummy slot and his entrance into the game was pro-scum. Didn't I already say that? And you may be overestimating my scum-read on you. You've been null to me for much of this game, but recent events have made you lean-scum in my eyes.

Beyond lurk (from a player who then requested replacement due to inability to commit to the game - which to my mind suggests the lurking was not a strategy; feel free to clue me in if you conclude otherwise) why is his slot scummy?

[Creature]

^ Btw, coincidentally that's the order of my reads (except I think Loop is townier than Thor665):

Harkonnen97
MissTerry
lucca6411
BlankFace
PenguinPower
Loopdan
Thor665
Shadow_step

He isn't near to be lynched and I don't feel like switching my vote right now.
Why is your vote still on BlankFace?

[Loopdan]

I'm not sure you should be comparing me voting the second vote as a reaction test in RVS to Shadow voting me to L-1 without reading the thread.

I am exactly comparing it -

are you claiming his one and only scumplan there was to vote you, announce it was L-1, and then hope some derp newb would wander in and hammer you?

Because I feel like that's what you're saying, and I'm saying to you that doesn't make a lot of sense.

emphasis added.

No. I'm not claiming that. Stop putting words in other players' mouths.

I've made my point clear and you are attempting to muddy the waters. It's a scummy way to enter a newbie game and you know it.

[Thor665]

Aw man, now we have to run up Creature for accountability.

@Creature - why don't you feel like moving your vote? Loop has a vote on Shadow, so would probably appreciate some help there.
Your empty vote on a claimed townish read is certainly less helpful than doing that.
What's the advantage of sitting there voting him?

@Loop - describe his scumplan to me then? And, no, I absolutely disagree that it's a scummy way to enter any game, Newbie or not. You might be able to argue reckless, but that's not scummy. And, since I'm an IC, I'm not allowed to lie about my theory beliefs, so...?

[Thor665]

By 'accountability' I mean 'readability' The joke made more sense before Loop's post.