Mini 521 (SMSM, Ended)

[kabenon007]

Not only is it in poor taste to say "You bastards!" but it is also in poor taste to kill Kenny! You bastards...

So, am I to assume that subgames will take place here or in another thread...? I've never played with most of you before, I see that there are some veterans I've always wanted to play with... good luck to everyone. Except scum... *curse*

[kabenon007]

and in my overzealousness and excitement over being first to post (I never have been first! ) I forgot to confirm... I figured it would be auto confirm just for the fact that I am now here and posting sarcasm, but just to be safe... /confirm
There... happy?

[kabenon007]

But should subgame alignments have any bearing at all on our views on the meta game? I mean, we can't blame a metatownie for being scum in a subgame, can we?

[kabenon007]

But what tactics could scum use within the subgames to affect the course of the meta game? Ah... wait. I see something. A scum could possibly see who is attacking or is who is a dangerous townie to them in the metagame and then possibly sacrifice themselves in a subgame so that the dangerous townie is then on the lynch block. Townies can then, of course affect the course of a subgame so that a potential scum is able to be lynched. Because only the losing side of a subgame is eligible for voting, correct?

[kabenon007]

Maybe you should put your old Avatar.

But then how would they switch it and how would that show which one said which statement, because the avatars change everywhere when you change it once.

[kabenon007]

Hi. This is Sim. Any suggestions to whatever way makes it easier for us to communicate which one of us is speaking?

Perhaps you could check and see if the mod would let you guys use separate text styles?

[kabenon007]

Adele, it was said in the thread by the mod that there could be two-headed players in this game, as it requires a heavy amount of posting.

[kabenon007]

Well, I assume he thinks that if he didn't cause the reroll, you must have. And I am curious as to how his answer will shed any light on his alignment. Maybe I just can't see it.

[kabenon007]

I'm all up for that shelving action you speak of, Fiasco. Did someone ask the mod if talking about it is okay? I wouldn't see why it wouldn't be, because it isn't another game, it isn't quoting a pm.

[kabenon007]

I am not voting at random; I believe Max to be acting suspicious. Also, the deadline isn't THAT short. It's pretty much a whole week. We have plenty of time to kill him.

vote WaterboyWaldo.

No need to rush into a lynch then if we have a whole week, and you are seeming pretty singleminded there, Waldo...

Also, I'm suspicious of Max as well. His whole, "I've got a plan, but I'm not gonna reveal what it is" is most likely just him trying to make himself look useful. But he could really have a plan, but it does us no good if we don't know what it is, because his results could be purely opinionated on his part, and therefore skewed.

[kabenon007]

I'm merely talking about your word choice, Waldo. We have plenty of time to lynch him? That sounds like you already have the day planned out. And only scum would be that single-minded.

And calling me single-minded in response to a post that contains two suspects... am I single-minded in two ways?

[kabenon007]

kabenon, Waterboywaldo (how should I shorten that name? Suggestions?) wasn't calling you singleminded, but hypocritical. I think his point was "at least I contributed my opinions, before you did by the way".

Why does it matter who contributed first?

[kabenon007]

EBWOP
His point was to systematically refute everything I had said. Which was pointless, because he went too far in depth. All I was commenting on was how he seemed to have the whole day planned already in lynching Max. Which I see he did not respond to...

[kabenon007]

See? Why would a townie have a day planned around lynching one person from the beginning? Stupid move to admit that Waldo. Only scum plan a day around lynching one person.

[kabenon007]

Yes... but you are not taking into account any leeway whatsoever. What if he were to suddenly claim? Would you keep your vote on him then?

[kabenon007]

EBWOP: Durr.

[kabenon007]

Well, I did have the day planned around lynching Max. At least, until I became more suspicious of you.

I didn't have the day planned around killing specifically Max

A direct, and I mean direct as direct can be, contradiction. Within like four posts!

[kabenon007]

Hm. You do realise that full second statement was:

I didn't have the day planned around killing specifically Max, but rather the most suspicious person, who just happened to be Max at the time.

and therefore you took it out of context, and there's no contradiction at all...?

It's still a contradiction. If he meant whoever was most suspicious, why didn't he say that instead of saying he was focusing on Max? Everyone targets who they think is most suspicious!

[kabenon007]

EBWOP: I agree with Fiasco as to the I meant it as a joke. It seems too convenient of an excuse, plus, why did he wait to post that it was a joke? Why didn't he say it right away when it came under suspicion?

[kabenon007]

Nothing is cleared. How am I suppose to get anything out of that post as to why you waited to say it was a joke? Your logic escapes me.

[kabenon007]

I am of the mindset that this first subgame is just to narrow our choices for the first metalynch. But after that, we will have information about the metagame, which we can use to affect our decisions in the subsequent subgames. Like, if we metalynch this person, then we can say, oh look! This person could have been bussing, or this person could have been overreaching with their accusations, or whatever. Then our next subgames have more meaning, as we know who exactly we want to win each subgame.

[kabenon007]

There are no Lynchers in this setup.

[kabenon007]

Pfft. If I'm being vague, then I'll let you know. Or maybe I won't.

unvote, vote Fiasco

I do it for you... you are being vague here.

[kabenon007]

How are non majority vote counts dealt with? Like, does one person need to have a majority, or is the person with the most votes is lynched?

[kabenon007]

EBWOP: Come deadline that is.

[kabenon007]

Take a close look at this post...

I think you talking about metastrategies is kind of you trying to look metatown because of how easily you were talked into going along with

THEM

into playing the subgame.

I highlighted and capitalized the important part. Pooky here is talking about Fiasco's going along with the metatownie idea of playing the subgame, but instead of using "we," which would include him with the metatownies, he uses "them," and so does not include himself in the metatownie ranks. If possible, Pooky will be getting my meta vote.

[kabenon007]

But didn't you leave your vote on Fiasco until he told you to remove it?

[kabenon007]

Is that a claim of you as scum, Fiasco? Or do you mean when you first received the PM it said you had to choose? Cuz it seems like you are claiming that you know what the scum PM's say now, for the second role assign.

[kabenon007]

They're right there in the setup post.

Oops...

My bad. I agree with Fiasco's avoidance of a no lynch. We cannot afford to let a lynch go by and count on whatever happened last time to get us through the night without another kill. A no lynch provides us no information, while a lynch, even a townie lynch, provides us with some information. Otherwise it is just like the scum getting a free kill and we do nothing. So, I will

unvote

and vote for the scummiest person on the block...

vote Max

[kabenon007]

Hence the reason I am voting for Max. What I meant by that was that a townie lynch does give us more information than a no-lynch. But of course a scum lynch is best. And so I think Max is scummier than Fiasco, therefore I vote him.

[kabenon007]

An unfortunate occurence, I was responding to the post made by ryan on the last page, and I guess the page was full, so it kicked my response to this new page. Here, I'll repost...

kabenon007: I'm not sure I agree with your statement about a townie lynch giving us information, shouldn't we be aiming for the scummiest player at the time?

Hence the reason I am voting for Max. What I meant by that was that a townie lynch does give us more information than a no-lynch. But of course a scum lynch is best. And so I think Max is scummier than Fiasco, therefore I vote him.

However, your confusion raises a point. Scum do not necessarily read the thread, because they know everyone's alignment. This is one scumtell, correct? Sammich, had he been reading, would have read ryan's post, and then switched pages and read mine. Instead, it is apparent that he skipped over anything that was written on that page since he had posted and simply went after the newest page, to read the latest post. Or am I just completely unfounded in this one?

[kabenon007]

oops. That last quote was mine, not sammich's...

[kabenon007]

You realize that this is meaningless, right?

How is it meaningless?

[kabenon007]

Sorry for my absence, I've been in a crazy week with finals and other tests... but now I'm back and extremely confused as to why all of a sudden sammich is obv scum... anyone care to explain?

[kabenon007]

How did Xdaamno post? And why didn't mith remove it? I'm so confused... can you still post, Xdaamno? And if so how?

[kabenon007]

Well, it's done now. But I think it would have been better to leave it be for a little while longer... we still had about ten hours or so left on the deadline, and you shouldn't be apologizing for a vote, even a crap lynch, because you should only vote if you want something to come of it, except perhaps a random vote, but even then you have something you want out of it.

[kabenon007]

I think the only thing we can do at the moment is decide who is trying to sabotage the subgames... and Pooky is right up there at the top of my list for trying to get the subtown to give up, thereby manipulating the subgame to his own ends. He could be town manipulating but I don't think so.

[kabenon007]

If you were suspicious of Thorned Rose, SSF, and Simenon, why did you not as mafia throw the game then so you could vote for Thorned Rose?

[kabenon007]

Although... Adele is experienced enough... she should have known that if she put the third vote then a scum would hammer to win the game... so why would she do that? I think Adele could be scum as well... protecting one or more of her metascum partners that were subscum... if the town were to lose, we metatownies have a harder chance of hitting metascum, because we have more to choose from... so I think Adele is going to be on top of my list.

[kabenon007]

There are other people in this game other than you, Adele, I think it was necessary at some point, I just think it was premature at the time you chose to do it.

[kabenon007]

A couple of days in a Day that lasts about a week is a significant amount of time, relatively speaking.

[kabenon007]

Um, Wow. I didn't say the activity wasn't static or stagnant. I said that, if you take a couple days, say, two or three, and divide that by number of days in a week, (which is seven) and the percentage is hardly something I would call small. I was pointing out that there was still time to deadline, and deadlines cause action. Also, I dislike your use of "I made a call." It's like you are trying to justify actions that don't need justification. We know it was your call, and we certainly know it was the wrong one. We don't need to be reminded every time you post.

[kabenon007]

N0: Fiasco
N1: Xdaamno... woot woot!
N2: SomeStrange
N3: SomeStrange

[kabenon007]

You didn't ask ryan the same question... noted...
I protected Fiasco because he seemed to know what he was doing, and it would have been unfortunate for him to die N0. Xdaamno for N1... I just got a feeling he was kind of lurking, while trying to give town input, which made me think he was a power role. And SomeStrangeSimenon seemed like a good Nk, I can't recall exactly why, I think it was kind of that he wasn't posting as much as some, and so we would have a harder time deciphering who would want him dead.

[kabenon007]

Well, I was all for Adele.

[kabenon007]

Vote Adele.

A vindictive vendetta, on the verge of vanquishing villains, with vigilance and valiance... and valium.

[kabenon007]

Why not? You know who the scum are?

[kabenon007]

Well, I don't have much to say... I've stated my reasons for voting Adele, she needs to die, that way during the next meta day we can kill her. I plan on today finding out what side Adele is on and then killing that side off. Plain and simple.

[kabenon007]

That's great... and we can totally trust that.

[kabenon007]

Pooks, max and kab I stand by.

Well congratulations, your top two candidates are dead, and they were both town, so forgive me if I don't trust your reasoning, especially cuz I know I'm town.

[kabenon007]

We just need one more. Someone just vote adele, if not because you think she is scummy, then at least so we don't have a no lynch.

[kabenon007]

vote adele

[kabenon007]

Never voted you for OMGUS. Check your facts.

[kabenon007]

Where is everyone? I am disappointed. Vote for Adele and your fun factor will increase tenfold.

[kabenon007]

Question 1) Isn't it entirely plausible that I was sincere in believing that the first subgame should be treated as an information collecting time - and, in fact, didn't I make my case for this prior to the events referred to above?
Question 2) How would I, subgame town, have even known who was in the subscum?
Question 3) Doesn't this theory assume that SomeStrangeSimenon or WaterboyWaldo is co-meta-scum with me, since it'd have to be one of the subscum and DGB's dead and innocent? - Seems to me that that's an assumption worth remembering for posterity.
3a) why did it fall to me to point out the above association, kab?

Answer 1) It is entirely plausible that you were sincere, but is it also equally plausible that you were not. 50 50 chance.
Answer 2) This one is harder to explain. I can't say for sure yet, but I could see it possible to set up scenarios with your metascum to somehow let the other metas know their alignment and such. Very far out there, I know, but I've seen weirdo breadcrumbs.
Answer 3)You ruined it for me! I was watching them carefully to see who reacted to what with you! This was more of what my plan hinged on, but no one has been posting too much... I was almost as concerned with checking out those two than I was with killing you! And that is also the answer to your bitchy question number 3a. Group hug?

[kabenon007]

Answer 1 seems like a fallacy to me, similar to the odds of a single die rolling a six being 50-50 (either it is or it isn't), when really it's 1 in 6.

Well, tell me how else it could be interpretted other than plausible or not?

Answer 2 sounds like you're giving the metascum ideas or perhaps subtle instructions..?

Um, no, I'm answering her question... How else should I go about doing that?

Answer 3: I have no idea how you were expecting me to react or what I was supposed to be reacting to. Are you insinuating that I'm metascum with Adele? Because I don't think I am.

Well, this in and of itself is a reaction. I had no idea which of you two would react, what said reaction would be. I was just watching. And of course you wouldn't think you were.

[kabenon007]

You know, I might take you up on that Simenon bandwagon, burnfire.

[kabenon007]

See, I knew she was metascum!