Mini 1762: Game Over

[Syndesis]

Hello ^__^ 92 posts geez

[Syndesis]

VOTE: kirroha

[Syndesis]

This is gonna be one of those games isn't it

[Syndesis]

Syndesis explain.

no

[Syndesis]

I might read the game at some point.

eww

[Syndesis]

im playing with complete sh**ters what am i doing with my life

Calm yourself, thanks.

This quote is kinda yucky!

I'm wracking my head right now wondering just what kind of pro-town motive can there be to BBT 'claiming scum' this early in the game.

[Syndesis]

Could y'all chill for 30 seconds please

[Syndesis]

I'm trying to but y'all are being kinda loud back here

RC lol

[Syndesis]

w/e

content

soon

in a few minutes

[Syndesis]

VOTE: BBT

[Syndesis]

Spoiler: quote wall + reads so y'all actually have to open the spoiler

I'm curious. Do you find BBT's mention of a possible policy lynch on you scummy, or are you just annoyed by it (but think it is a null tell)?

Hmmph.

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kirroha's 107 feels too defensive.

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Let's dispel once and for all this fiction that Kirroha doesn't know what she's doing. She knows exactly what she's doing. Kirroha is undertaking a systematic effort to change this game, to make 1762 more like the rest of the world. We don't want to be like the rest of the world, we want to be 1762. And when I'm elected president, this will become once again, the single greatest nation in the history of the world, not the disaster Kirroha has imposed upon us.

Is this a scumread?

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kirroha's 128 is kinda bad.

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VOTE: Syndesis I agree that this is a better wagon to push (In My Honest Opinion). Who comes in, says nothing and jumps on the biggest wagon they can see?

And I do not think Ink is innocent now just because he explained himself. His reason is dumb and just looks like he is tunneling on the simplest thing he can find. Just because he is aggressive does not mean he is good at what he is doing. At least senpai made some sense.

Why are you defending kirroha so...strongly? In fact, I really, really don't see the kirroha townread but this is a less scummy post than 128 at least.

who wants to bet BBT kill scumteam?

Why?

something something preflip associatives?

who wants to bet BBT kill scumteam?

Have they even interacted?

Are you objecting to this thought? If so, why is interaction a prerequisite of an associative read?

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{RC, IAI, implosion}
{Kill, ink, Ras, tojam, Rubixxx}
{kirroha, Nino, Shortcut, BBT}

[Syndesis]

Just because people aren't playing like you think they should be playing doesn't mean they aren't playing, you know :]

[Syndesis]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

okay.

[Syndesis]

Hmm? Oh.

Ehh. I dunno. I think you two got over it fairly quickly there so. Whether or not that will be the case here remains to be seen.

[Syndesis]

Kill also looks pretty town.

Actually, never mind. She's scum.

VOTE: Kirroha

Why?

[Syndesis]

Why the townread on Kill though?

[Syndesis]

Are you townreading kirroha for the soft?

[Syndesis]

I'm pretty sure your crumb isn't as good as you think it is

[Syndesis]

No please :(

I actually realized that 234 was kind of facetious-sounding almost right after posting but didn't get a chance to clarify it until now. I didn't intend to insult or give offense :<


Skimmed but all the walls and people are sort of running together. Making another pass now.

[Syndesis]

Scum is almost definitely hiding among to lurkers

Why?

[Syndesis]

As scum, I would probably have thought of myself as a lost cause

Hmmmmph.

This is a post.

But yeah, I'm ok with pressuring lurkers.

VOTE: Toejam

Come out, come out, wherever you arrrre!

So no one in the thread is scummier than someone with only two posts? (Admittedly not the best posts but still.)

[Syndesis]

only four posts

EBWOP

My memory, 'tis a sieve.

[Syndesis]

Let's dispel once and for all this fiction that Kirroha doesn't know what she's doing. She knows exactly what she's doing. Kirroha is undertaking a systematic effort to change this game, to make 1762 more like the rest of the world. We don't want to be like the rest of the world, we want to be 1762. And when I'm elected president, this will become once again, the single greatest nation in the history of the world, not the disaster Kirroha has imposed upon us.

Is this a scumread?

[Syndesis]

I was indeed scumreading her at that point in the game my good friend syndesis.

Then why didn't you vote her?

[Syndesis]

Yup

[Syndesis]

Reactions

[Syndesis]

BBT please

[Syndesis]

who wants to bet BBT kill scumteam?

Have they even interacted?

Are you objecting to this thought? If so, why is interaction a prerequisite of an associative read?

[Syndesis]

Do you have anything to say about the game?

[Syndesis]

...that would probably be a prerequisite of that, yes.

>___>

[Syndesis]

Sorry, the >___> was directed at myself! For being dumb! You know.

[Syndesis]

I'm having a lot of issues remembering anything I read in this game which is both weird and bothersome. Will probably try to reread and take some better notes on Sunday.

@Mod

: Could we get DL counters in the VCs please?

[Syndesis]

Annie is RC

[Syndesis]

I have a sudden urge to

VOTE: Implosion

Why

[Syndesis]

;__;

[Syndesis]

My general impression of implosion has been town though

[Syndesis]

VOTE: Raskolnikov

I think my problem with this game is that everyone looks so scummy

[Syndesis]

Ras—

mmm.

[Syndesis]

VOTE: tojam

[Syndesis]

wtf.

@me? :(

[Syndesis]

What confuses you, RC?

[Syndesis]

What confuses you, RC?

why did you sheep raskol onto tojam?

so what someone says they think you're town you immediately start townreading them AND assume that their reads are correct?

We just happen to be on the same wagon.

My flip on Ras has very little to do with 418.

[Syndesis]

Syndesis, I need a reason you voted for me, not just a vote.

feels

You're kind of...floating by, I guess, and I dislike it.

[Syndesis]

#1 is obvscum. #2 is probably TJ. Scum #3 is within a small group that's going to be narrowed dramatically when BBT actually comes alive.

Say, why aren't you voting your "obvscum"?

[Syndesis]

Can it be? BBT?

[Syndesis]

Got through page 6 before my attention span reached zero.

Someone talk to me instead.

[Syndesis]

It's a flower.

I meant

useful

questions.

[Syndesis]

No, I meant the little squigglies AROUND the flower.

Uhhhh... useful... hmmm...

What do you think about... uh... me?

They're runes.

Up through this post you're null leaning town.

[Syndesis]

I'm too lazy to defend myself qq

ShortcutButton has requested a replacement.

I hate doing this to new replacements but your predecessor is just too terrible.

VOTE: Taishogal

[Syndesis]

Syndesis, I need a reason you voted for me, not just a vote.

feels

You're kind of...floating by, I guess, and I dislike it.

To elaborate, you'd been pretty much a nonentity in the thread, and I think you threw some shade on Ras I didn't like.

[Syndesis]

Well excuuuuse me, princess! I just thought I'd nip it in the bud before some idiot could throw a fit about the way I do things. Why the hell is everyone suddenly against me? I didn't even do anything!

Hmmmm.

Rubixxx looks really good after the reads.

Nino is pretty town from the way she's scumhunting.

Done chainposting (sorry).

[Syndesis]

I hate that the thread keeps exploding when I'm not here and moves at a snail's pace when I am

[Syndesis]

Really? His reads-list was horrible, what did you like about it?

They make sense. There was something else but IDR what it was.

[Syndesis]

I posted

6

hours ago.

It's really annoying when people talk about me but not to me.

[Syndesis]

Okay

are you scum RC

[Syndesis]

I'm too lazy to defend myself qq

This is really, really,

really

awful though. I never feel good about slots that replace out, especially like this. Plus Shortcut's earlier posting is so awkward.

[Syndesis]

VOTE: TaishoGal for Nino

Actually let's do this instead.

VOTE: Tojam

[Syndesis]

What do you think of the tojam post I quoted above?

[Syndesis]

I'll think about it

[Syndesis]

VOTE: Kill
registering my protest

[Syndesis]

???

[Syndesis]

this week uuuuuu

hello replacement

[Syndesis]

I find it interesting that when I naked vote Kill, a wagon suddenly forms, but when I naked vote anyone else, everyone gets on my case.

Trying to figure out why I was voting Kill in the first place...

[Syndesis]

I find it interesting that when I naked vote Kill, a wagon suddenly forms, but when I naked vote anyone else, everyone gets on my case.

Trying to figure out why I was voting Kill in the first place...

Are you implying that the kill wagon is a mislynch?

Interesting that you say that when you've been the one leading the wagon.

Do I detect a slight contradiction in motives here?

Nah.

I don't remember why I was voting Kill so back to the tojam (non-)wagon!

VOTE: tojam

[Syndesis]

(it was a reaction test)

Does tojam's crumb matter?

[Syndesis]

VOTE: I Am Innocent

[Syndesis]

let's do this

[Syndesis]

...many page much wow

ugh

[Syndesis]

like

are y'all srs

[Syndesis]

pretty serious, RC

[Syndesis]

if by some miracle we get an extension

VOTE: tojam

[Syndesis]

I remember pretty much nothing about this game or who I was going to chase. Oops?

Vig shot on bbt slot?

Would concur.

[Syndesis]

VOTE: ink

[Syndesis]

@

Rubixxx

: tell me why scum RC would deathtunnel a townie. (This is not a rhetorical question.)

[Syndesis]

RC

how does BBT townflip change your reads?
who are you scumreading?
do you think there was scum influence behind the no lynch yesterday?

[Syndesis]

might be. I still need to reread this game.

Join me in not-rereading hell! >___>

Is Rubixxx's paranoia on this page warranted? More importantly, is it town paranoia or scum shade throwing?

[Syndesis]

If I had to fire a shot I'd say that Ink is town.

Am curious what's behind this? Although you're probably just going to say gut.

VOTE: beeboy

The more I think about it the less tojam's 'crumb' made sense.

If I were town PR I would never point out THIS. IS. A. CRUMB!!!! ever. It's like inviting a nightkill. And you know who isn't afraid of nightkills?

I don't think it's that kind of crumb. More like, say,

your

crumb.

[Syndesis]

...what.

[Syndesis]

I have no idea how you got from "why" to FISHING!1!!111!!!! but okay?

[Syndesis]

ok rc

[Syndesis]

no thanks

[Syndesis]

you're

boring

[Syndesis]

you wound me deeply </3

[Syndesis]

@

RC

: I forgives you

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

That was just an excuse to claim in a way that looked town, wasn't it.

I neither particularly understand nor agree with this vote. Actually, that exchange cemented a townread on RC.

Why does scum RC do this?

Nope. He explicitly said CRUMB HERE---> ugjdhhshvdrfdefrdseffhjygjkhh

Making it, welll, obvious that he has a PR claim in mind. I don't think a town PR will be that daring.

I called attention to mine because I'm VT anyway and won't mind an NK. I don't think he's doing the same thing.

When tojam calls attention to his crumb, he's a PR. When you do the same, you're a VT. I don't follow. beeboy hasn't made me feel much better about the slot though and I re-isoed tojam and now I remember how much I disliked him hmmm but he's V/LA so I'll stick to prodding ink.

@

GR and kirroha

: I don't understand Ras push?

[Syndesis]

Because I was already revealed as VT at that point. With that in mind I can't see tojam copying the same thing I'm doing. So it's unlikely he is VT.

I don't really agree but the point is moot.

Also, RC, I feel like you're trying to pull a particularly ballsy gambit right now, and it isn't going to fly. I'm okay with letting you slide for today, but if you're still alive by tomorrow, you are my #1 priority.

Curious what gambit that would be.

[Syndesis]

Let me rephrase: what do you think RC is trying to achieve?

[Syndesis]

Real talk, this is probably a scumslip.

I don't follow.

just doing some reaction tests :<

egh

He has done nothing but start wagons without proper reasoning and lurk for most, if not the entirety of the game having missed the deadline.

orly

The fact that he's also on the same wagon as me alarms me.

I was on the same wagon several days ago. Why are you alarmed now?

@Syn

Can I get some thoughts, reads?

And that whole exchange with RC didn't help either.

Why the boom in activity when RC voted you? Is that town being defensive or scum being defensive?

You seem town. RC is town. kirroha's town. Rubixxx is kind of gut town. So is implosion. Nino has the newbie townvibes. IaI is unimpeachable town. Ras is gut town. Yes, I am aware that I have too many townreads...which probably means I should reexamine the tonal reads (Nino, imp, Ras, Rubixxx) TBH. Scumreads are mixed tonal and PoE.

I generally post more when people are talking to me. Not sure where you got "defensive" out of that interaction.

[Syndesis]

heh

Rubixxx for town?

[Syndesis]

I think someone asked me for a readslist?

IaI

is incontrivertibly town
my past self was really sure that

kirroha

is town but I need to check that
admittedly, I've never seen scum

RC

, but this feels like town RC

Rubixxx

is a tonal townread

Nino

's approach on D1 was hard-to-describe town

Ras

's attitude towards this game I've never seen in scum

implosion

is a tonal townread again

GR

is slipping down to a null because while they have some really good posts, recent posts not so much

beeboy

is somewhere below null
maybe this is tonal bias coming into it again, but

ink

is scummy as heck

[Syndesis]

They both scumread one another, without ever interacting

How is my interaction, or lack thereof, relevant?

[Syndesis]

hnnnnnng

Rubixxx, reads on people who are not ink?

[Syndesis]

Well I mean you've mostly been deathtunneling ink.

IaI is still town, RC is still probably town, kirroha is still probably town (less so than RC though), Ras is still town, ink is still scummy, you're starting to concern me, GR is still probably town, Nino has been sort of not present lately so I'm a bit concerned but her early posting on D1 still looks town, implosion is still town, beeboy is quite possibly scum.

[Syndesis]

RC, could I get an overview reads list please?

A coherent list from Ras would also be kind of nice?

[Syndesis]

VOTE: Raskolnikov

VOTE: Syndesis

Seriously what is your deal.

[Syndesis]

RC's jump wasn't so bad IMO.

[Syndesis]

Ras has been kind of weird all game TBH

[Syndesis]

VOTE: Golden Robster

That doesn't look like you supporting your vote.

Spoiler: @GiF

Just for a fun exercise, explain why you think kirroha is town based on what happened in this game.

Claims shenanigans.

Anyway, can I get a readlist off of y'all so

it's easier to manipulate

I can catch up easier and quicker?

{Nino}
{kirroha, RC}
{implosion, Rubixxx}
{GiF, GR}
{Ras}

Also just because it seems like the focus is shifting to meowth im going to assume that he's town, PoE and see if the result looks good or not.

What was your conclusion?

Well I'm getting bored.

VOTE: kirroha

?

Spoiler: @RC

I really f***ing loathe everything GIF's posted so far.

VOTE: GIF

Can I hear more about this or? For instance, why are you suddenly scumreading ink (1338) when you were townreading them in 1342 (assuming I'm reading your readslist right)?

well the slot he replaced so *shrugs*

VOTE: Nino

for now. I think Golden might be scum; I don't like some of the stuff he posted late last day.

Why the abrupt hop off GiF?

[Syndesis]

Ohhhhh okay I see now I think.

[Syndesis]

Robster is pretty scum, let's be real; if you're not voting them I want to know why.

Ras, kindly support your vote.

[Syndesis]

Ras

Raskolnikov

why are you voting Rubixxx

[Syndesis]

Synd, do you townread Rubixxxx? If so, why?

me.

I am, to some extent. Rubixxx's tone strikes me as town and there were a couple of town flashes from them, like...dammit why do I not write this stuff down?? Rain check on the why? (Prod me if I forget!)

[Syndesis]

asdfghjkl; lost my post

Whoever said I was invisible: no u
Massclaim: why?
GR: obvscum, wagon imploded, Ras is top partner candidate, side eye kirroha for that wagon hop though
Ras: what utility

[Syndesis]

umm okay

I know you said you were taking a new tack but I have no idea what you are doing this game.

[Syndesis]

Less!

[Syndesis]

kirroha, probably? Haven't gotten any further.

1747? What is this thing you refer to??? /s

[Syndesis]

And here comes someone asking why massclaiming a day before potential lylo is useful.

Let's say we mislynch today.
Tomorrow is a lylo. Someone claims a cop with a guilty.
How much headache will you get from it?

Ah, right.

I'm down for massclaim.

[Syndesis]

O__o

I don't even?

[Syndesis]

I don't know what RC is doing here but I assume he has a reason for whatever he's doing.

Syndesis.

Yes?

[Syndesis]

This game doesn't make any sense.

[Syndesis]

Yeah, I can compromise with a Rask wagon.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Rask

Why is Rubixx scummy again?

GR jumps off me the second I apply pressure for their terribad vote on me.

also I'm usually obvious town when I slur and use informal language

Like a lot of posts in this section of their ISO, the tone just sounds waaaaaay off.

yes Meta and Poe

I can read

This post pinged me and I know why but I can't articulate it.

[Syndesis]

[snip]

Votes on GR: that's a good point. Self-preservation: mmm yeah that too. Quality posting right here yo.

If I have to claim for you you're getting autolynched, for the record.

There are so many things about this I don't understand and I would appreciate it if you helped me along a little.

[Syndesis]

VT (if it wasn't manifestly obvious). implosion next!

[Syndesis]

look at this misrep

i jumped off because i'm content with a rask wagon as well.

HOW IS THE TONE OFF? LIKE WHAT THE f*** ARE YOU ON?

Yes throw more shade pls; i like how you can't get enough of that sh**

1) Tell me how I'm misrepping you, please!
2) Not gonna take your word for that, thanks.
3) It doesn't sound like irate town. I mean, just look at this post. Your indignation rings hollow.
4) Sure.

[Syndesis]

GR has claimed already.

[Syndesis]

Based on my current understanding of RC and his actions, I think he's town.

[Syndesis]

At this point Nino and RC are my only really solid townreads. There's probably scum in the coasters.

[Syndesis]

(ie, I'm not sure)

[Syndesis]

1) The misrep therein lies in the assumption that I jumped off when I faced your pressure. Wrong. I would of pushed on you even harder.
2) :fp:
3) my exasperation at your f***ing stupidity is true; yes, i am a human being and i do get mad.
4) you are literally throwing shade at me

1) I'm pretty sure that doesn't qualify as a misrep.
3) If you say so.
4) Sure. (not sarcastic)

Would a 13p mini normal with less than 3 power roles be balanced? Especially considering vig is 1-shot and mafia have daytalk.

I think rolecop feels about right in this setup.

[Syndesis]

I mean I haven't even finished reading your "case" and I see a gazillion holes.

[Syndesis]

Spoiler: Robster's case, striped and dismantled

VOTE: kirroha

After lurking for about 100 posts, she jumps onto the kirroha wagon and then refuses to explain her reasoning. The bandwagon on kirroha was a good opportunity for scum syndesis to mislynch. (-2)

"lurking"

I'm not sure how being AFK for the first 7 hours of the game is alignment indicative but sure I guess! Also I don't think anyone ever asked me why I voted kirroha, so you can't exactly say that I "refused" to explain. That would actually be you.

VOTE: BBT

Does the same for BBT. No reasoning. Just vote hops from posts 100 - 200 with quick succession. (-1) I like how she also doesn't explain her reasoning. She senses that the wagon on Kirroha isn't working and wagons bbt instead.

I usually don't explain blatantly obvious votes unless asked.

VOTE: Raskolnikov

I think my problem with this game is that everyone looks so scummy

My oh my mrs contradictory. Doesn't vote for her scumreads, nooo. She votes for one of her null reads instead of Nino, shortcut and BBT. (-3)

You realize that more than 200 posts had elapsed between my first read list and that vote right? Right??

What confuses you, RC?

why did you sheep raskol onto tojam?

so what someone says they think you're town you immediately start townreading them AND assume that their reads are correct?

We just happen to be on the same wagon.

My flip on Ras has very little to do with 418.

After RC questions her about her sheep, she doesn't explain. "We just happen to be on the same wagon." Why the f*** are you not worried that someone you're scumreading whose also on the same wagon?! (-2)

If you were actually paying attention to the context of that post, you would know that I was townreading Ras did you just go through my iso and pick out random posts?

Syndesis, I need a reason you voted for me, not just a vote.

feels

You're kind of...floating by, I guess, and I dislike it.

the hypocrisy in this statement pings me (-1)

Hypocrisy Is Not A Scumtell

#1 is obvscum. #2 is probably TJ. Scum #3 is within a small group that's going to be narrowed dramatically when BBT actually comes alive.

Say, why aren't you voting your "obvscum"?

then proceeds to question Rask on not voting obv scum when she sheeped tojam two seconds ago (-1)

I don't even understand what your point is.

I'm too lazy to defend myself qq

ShortcutButton has requested a replacement.

I hate doing this to new replacements but your predecessor is just too terrible.

VOTE: Taishogal

Continues to throw blanket statements around. "your predecessor is just too terrible." Doesn't explain her f***ing reasoning for the 5th time. (-2)

Implying Shortcut wasn't terrible? I mean I thought that was pretty obvious.

I find it interesting that when I naked vote Kill, a wagon suddenly forms, but when I naked vote anyone else, everyone gets on my case.

Trying to figure out why I was voting Kill in the first place...

she doesn't even f***ing know why she voted kill

And this is alignment indicative because...?

VOTE: I Am Innocent

VOTE: ink

Hops to f***ing hoppity hop land (-4)

I can't tell if you're serious any more so I'm just not going to respond to this one.

[Syndesis]

Vote GR for a brighter tomorrow.

[Syndesis]

VOTE: Golden Robster L-2

I'd like to hear about the specific catalyst of this vote please?

Syndesis your an idiot

well your scum

Like f***ing hell how is he not scum

Jesus

because I have a town role PM!

[Syndesis]

I walk away for 10 minutes to go do something else FFS

[Syndesis]

I think Synd is bussing Rob atm.

Nope. I mean, I'm touched, but no.

[Syndesis]

The problem with lynching GR is that the game will be boring afterwards

lol

[Syndesis]

You made a really bad case on me, for one.

[Syndesis]

I mean if anyone wants an actual long form case I'll probably do one but it's a lot of effort and GR is probably only going to flail and call me scum so I'll pass for now.

[Syndesis]

1) Why is vote hopping scummy again? I seem to have missed that memo :roll:
2) I don't know if I've said this yet but I post fast and frequently if I have someone to talk to.
3) You realize that people change their reads right
4) So follow up. I don't usually write out my reads unless asked.
5) Are we talking about the

seven hour

"blatant lurking" here?
6) How am I coasting????

[Syndesis]

Well this game sure keeps falling asleep.

[Syndesis]

RC, could you claim your results?

[Syndesis]

Alright.

Remind me how you feel about Ras?

[Syndesis]

</3

[Syndesis]

mod needs a prod

[Syndesis]

kirroha please

[Syndesis]

highly unofficial votecount (we have two days 'til deadline guys, WAKE UP)

Raskolnikov (1): NinoMasaki (L-4)
Syndesis (2): Golden Robster, Kirroha (L-3)
Golden Robster (3): RadiantCowbells, Syndesis, Raskolnikov (L-2)
Not Voting (3): GuyInFreezer, Rubixxx, Implosion
With 9 player alive, majority is 5 today.

[Syndesis]

Point.

(I just want a flip at this point)

(or more than 2 posts a day)

[Syndesis]

Hi replacement! ^__^

@Mod

: could we have some prods please? ;n;

[Syndesis]

Ughhhh.

I'll read through all that for reals in a bit but I don't see RC as scum in this setup if only because JK + 1-s vig doesn't feel like enough.

[Syndesis]

MoI seems town, yet everyone he's pushing has pinged me town at one point or another??

[Syndesis]

Synd I'd like you to do an take a look at Radiant's ISO. Really read it. Put aside his claim and whatever meta you would be using to judge. Do that and tell me where you see Town play.

I think the things you're scumreading RC for are more RC-indicative than alignment-indicative, but I'll take a look.

[Syndesis]

Also RC, I would appreciate it if you could explain the thought process behind your checks?

[Syndesis]

They are crumbed for the record.
I don't think either of them should confuse you.

but I'm lazy ;___;

[Syndesis]

Due diligence.

[Syndesis]

The degree to which MoI is misrepping RC in 1706 is confounding.

@GR (1711): You're scum. That's a concrete read! But seriously, no.

@Ras (1720): What kind of logic is that?
(1754): See below. You felt like Moosy.

@MoI (1733): The reason I jumped off Ras in 422 is that I thought they were a PR. Additionally - if I thought there was anyone who would have needed the case, I would have made it, but to me GR is so obvscum that it didn't seem necessary.


I don't have the mental energy for claims calculus right now so I'll deal with the inno stuff later.

[Syndesis]

Robster, what do you think about my points about Implosion?

Syndesis, the same?

To be honest, I don't see what you see, but I

do

see what vaguely resembles scum peddling paranoia.

If you’d be so kind as to show any way I’m misrepping Radiant I’d love to see that. I don’t expect you will because … effort .. but it would be nice.

I do put effort in

sometimes

, you know!

The first thing, which technically speaking is not actually a misrep but more a convoluted train of logic, is that you're pushing RC on the grounds of him...not voting his D3 scumreads on D1/2? That's the impression I get.

The actual misrep...looks like a misread on my part now >__> (yeah I'm going to go hide somewhere if that's the case, sorry ;___;), but I'm still curious about it:

Synd, Imp, Ink, Rubixx, anyone on the Taisho wagon.

Let's get dis done?

Note the lovely reads here on two confirmed Town

Not sure what you mean? (I thought you were implying that the reads were "lovely" because they were wrong but that doesn't make sense.)

A large number of players are calling you obv-scum without presenting but a bare minimum of reasoning for why (if that). Should everyone just lynch you without presented cases?

Well, if everyone in the game was convinced I was scum they certainly wouldn't

need

a case to lynch me. I don't see your point, can you clarify?

[Syndesis]

Maybe I should have been more clear because you mis-attributed my comment to the quotes. Here is what I said was “lovely” reads –

Oh! I apologize ;n; you put your comments first! Okay that makes more sense.

[Syndesis]

Syndesis (3): Golden Robster, Kirroha, Raskolnikov (L-2)

actually that kind of nixes GR-kirroha-Ras hmm.

[Syndesis]

finally

hopefully Robster flips scum or I'm going to go quietly die of embarassment

[Syndesis]

hi

tired + no time

sorry

Spoiler: incoherent??

scumflip yaaaas

rc nooooo

ras pls

gif is ?

implosion is ??

nino where??

kirroha is?

moi, how have these flips caused you to reevaluate?

[Syndesis]

I think I'm kind of burned out on this game. Apologies for the incoherence, again. I can try to articulate this better but aaaaah.

Syn, you're asking if MoI re-evaluated his reads based on the flip(s) but technically you shouldn't care or want him to because he's scumreading me and yesterday you pushed me-gr as the scumteam :?

I have problems with this post.

If you suspect me and syndesis as a team can we at least lynch him first because I don't really mind trading 1 for 1 :D

And this post.

Okay, let's play a game.
Everyone vote between me and syndesis, though if you get me you have to get syndesis next day.
After that I'd recommend MoI though there's an outside chance he's just town playing really badly.

I don't mind using my life here if it gets scum lynched and tbh nobodies going to listen to what I say while they still suspect me anyways.

There's something here I dislike but what is it?

-

Other thoughts:

I can't figure out why kirroha pinged me town anymore and I don't like her recent posting as much :| I don't think I see kirroha + Ras though.

The way GiF responded to RC's inno is odd but I'm not sure whether it's scum-odd or town-odd.

[Syndesis]

I see a lot of being swamped in my future so this is my best attempt at isodiving etc.

GiF

: I still have a rather negative reaction to ink's posting, but that's so far back that I can't pin down context or reasons for why, and I know I have a lot of syntax biases so that's null for now. Nothing jumps out at me from GiF's portion of the iso; there's a couple of mixed things that bother me and a couple that ring town (1656 has been teetering on this fence for a few days but I'll hesitantly call it town).

Ras

: Probably scum? They don't seem to be reacting in the way I would expect if they were town, and through the earlier days they've been pretty...coasty, I guess? Is that the right word? I thought it was because they were a PR. I'll check the wagons D3 again but for a lot of my Robster wagon it felt like they were running interference.

MoI

: Mostly townreading Rubix, mostly on the basis of tone, I guess? There's a lot of stuff that tends to correspond to my town mindset and just generally there's nothing that gives me pause (I only did a flyover on this section though). MoI not so much? Hammer of GR isn't ~super townvibes~ and yet I have a hard time figuring out a team including MoI, so I dunno. I think the fact that they're putting so much energy into generating discussion has been town though.

kirroha

: I had a pretty strong townread on her at some point but now I don't remember why and I'm struggling to decide if that was just consensus reading or a towntell that I could only pick up as it happened. I'm not going to pick through her early iso too much because it's going to make things blurry; I think some of the things MoI brought up are relevant (some are kind of tunnelly). I dislike that she's been coasting but that can be said of almost everyone in this game; it just feels worse from her. IIRC she did counterpush the GR wagon too but I don't think she's scum with Ras. (I think? upon looking at the final VC again this may not actually be the case, but yeah.)

implosion

: I don't have a very strong or solid read on implosion but if I had to pick I'd go with town (would reconsider in the event of Ras flipping town, probably). Early to middle posting is a bit rough but I really like what he's been saying in the last few days. There's also some coasty bits, but, again, everyone in the game; plus he's stopped coasting so I'm okay with that. Tenuously town?


To do at some point (poke me if I don't):
- Read through D1 in context looking at Shortcut?
- Reread GR's iso?
- Look at D3 vote movement again?

I am apparently in a content-providing mood, so AMA right now!

[Syndesis]

I can talk about the list she posted today though, thats new. Weak reads on everyone to allow her to vote anyone, and notice how her reads on me is weaker than it should be when she was convinced of me/gr partners yesterday. If she was town and actually in doubt about my alignment I think she should be offended by what I'm saying (lynch her after me) but she straight up doesn't care which doesn't make sense. I'd only completely ignore someone saying what I'm saying if I was 100% they were scum but in her read she doesn't even say that but leaves it open to change when she "looks back at the d3 wagons".

I waffle as all alignments...

It's because your chain lynches are bad? Whatever your alignment, it's not happening.

Who do you think is the scumteam?

I still want to hear an answer to this question. Just because he hunts mostly by poe doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to give a most likely scumteam at this point in the game. I also want to hear Synd's answer to this; I have a better sense of her person-specific reads but she's hinted at some teams she finds unlikely and I'd like some elaboration on that.

This is something I'd need to finish trawling for associatives to do and I don't really have the time right now. (I'm swamped for the next week or so.) Just looking at my notes though... I'd say Ras+GiF with an outside chance of kirroha? ...actually I'm not sure I'm not just sticking two players together at random at this point. Ugh. Third scum is really just...not clicking for me, for some reason.

And now I'll return to crying alone in my corner.

[Syndesis]

This week is going to be difficult, sorry. I'm still able to respond to an extent but I won't be able to put much energy into this game and my activity is going to be low. Hopefully things will clear up for me by deadline.

[Syndesis]

I would appreciate it if people talked more so that I don't have to bite the bullet and reread

[Syndesis]

I literally do not have the time to read this week, sorry. I did warn you.

[Syndesis]

@mod: I think I'm voting Ras

@everyone else: zzzzz

[Syndesis]

and that is why it is not a good idea to play mafia while sleep deprived

VOTE: Ras

I promise I will put some content into this game before deadline.

[Syndesis]

L-1

please don't hammer thanks!

[Syndesis]

I'll hammer kirroha if deadline isn't moved out I guess but right now my heart still wants a Ras lynch.

Hmm.

[Syndesis]

Hi Dwlee!

I...really want to hear about those reads, yeah.

...Yeah.

[Syndesis]

dwlee your reads do not make sense to me

Vote Count 4.3

Raskolnikov

(2)

: implosion, Syndesis

(L-2)

Kirroha

(2)

: MagnaofIllusion, GuyInFreezer

(L-2)

Implosion

(1)

: Raskolvnikov

(L-3)

MagnaofIllusion

(1)

: Dwlee99

(L-3)

Not Voting

(1):

: Kirroha.

With 7 players alive, majority is 4 today.

(expired on 2016-04-25 23:00:00) remains in Day Four.

what is this

we are going in the wrong direction

stop

reverse

seriously

[Syndesis]

the way they treated the GR wagon, and ~vibes~

[Syndesis]

@

dwlee

: when I was doing manual VCs mid-D3 I noticed that Ras's movement was counterpushing GR's wagon. if you have the chance, try moving around the votes? I think it's more illustrative that way. IIRC a lot of their votes are towards the largest GR wagon or in response to pressure on GR. no citations sorry.

@

ras

: this looks pretty much unlike your towngame tbh (I don't remember it super well but I know this is not what it looked like). it's lurky and your early game is very low content and under the radar and bleh.

did you just call apathy scum? lol

-

we need to consolidate please ;n; I'll be around at deadline to hammer but that requires that someone be in hammer range.

yes I know this is not the content I promised but I spent most of the weekend putting out figurative fires and not drowning in figurative mires. sorry. I did stare at page 1 for approximately a minute and decide I didn't like kirroha's entry though

[Syndesis]

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhh...okay.

Well, I think? town-Ras wouldn't be misreading me this much. Not just in my alignment but in my approach; it feels like they're sort of abusing meta to give their case more weight but that meta is so off base I... yeah.

The only viable teams that don't include Ras are {MoI, implosion} and {MoI, GiF} and I don't feel those are likely.

(Quite frankly the amount that I care about this game has steadily gone down over the last few weeks, which is bad I know, but I'm going to try to get my head back in the game after some of my currently outstanding commitments resolve.)

[Syndesis]

I was going to do this game last night but I got derailed and forgot. Commitment #1 is finished finally though.

Case on Ras Soon^TM?

[Syndesis]

this game is making me shrivel up and die.

Spoiler: stream of consciousness read at own risk

case still coming soon (tm) in the meantime have

one

two

four reasons ras is scum:

Let's dispel once and for all this fiction that Kirroha doesn't know what she's doing. She knows exactly what she's doing. Kirroha is undertaking a systematic effort to change this game, to make 1762 more like the rest of the world. We don't want to be like the rest of the world, we want to be 1762. And when I'm elected president, this will become once again, the single greatest nation in the history of the world, not the disaster Kirroha has imposed upon us.

- this post do not like it's shady and kind of weird

- d1/2 coasty and noncommittal nnnnngh. for much of d1/2 ras had zero presence. (this may not be factually correct but I remember nothing there at all)

- weird counterwagoning of GR (will show later)

- really bad (ab)use of meta toDay


I think I'm going to stop before I embarass myself with my mad typing and communication skillz even more yeahhhhh

[Syndesis]

almost through the RL rough patch yay! case is still coming Soon^TM because cases take evidence (eugh) and effort and a few hours of sit-down reread and more than two brain cells and I have zero of those things right now. but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Magna, are you looking particularly for the case on Ras or just content in general? if in general is there anything specific you'd like me to talk about? I can probably ramble about my feelings about someone if that would be helpful.

it's scary how much I agree with implosion to be honest .-. but I'm still pretty sure Ras is scum. I doubt Magna + Ras on this page is scum theater (or maybe it's really good theater but quite frankly I'm not going down

that

rabbit hole) which would corroborate my Magna townread (yay).

[Syndesis]

I am slightly sick and phoneposting so bear with me.

I want to see your thought process as to who you think is scum between Rask and myself and why. Reasons. Posts either quoted or linked with reasoning on why you see it from a scum perspective.
As said above – Implosion and GiF will have to be sorted after today given the Gunsmith info.

Alright. Citations will have to wait for a bit but here goes.

You have been, to my recollection, proactive and interested in solving the game. More importantly, the only viable team is you with implosion (given Rubixx-ink interactions and your recent interactions with Ras), and I am fairly sure implosion is town. I might be confbiasing from my scumread on Ras but the more I think about it the better I feel (probably not a good thing though).

I also found a lot of Rubixx's posting town but I can't remember any specific examples off the top of my head. I can dig for those if you want but I think my effort would be better spent elsewhere.

[Syndesis]

Virtue seems to be cherrypicking on this page?

Syn, Implosion, why is it that every dead by nightkill town suspects at least one of you?

I feel so many things wrong with this question even in my current state that I cannot even express how wrong it is.

...oh. Implosion said it pretty well.

Syn, why does it look like GR is bussing you in his last post?

I dunno? I mean I haven't looked at the post yet but presumably a) because the remaining scum derived some tactical benefit from at or b) they found it amusing? Now that I think about it this also indicates Ras-scum.

I really want to know what you've gleaned from these questions.

[Syndesis]

Last words, basically, I'm town so make sure to check out Rask/Syndesis.

I think implosion is town and RC's claim is probably legit; I'd like to imagine that the scumteam is Rask/Syndesis/?? but I'm not sure.

lol

[Syndesis]

I would like to reaffirm the following:

- Ras is scum.
- Virtue is probably? scum. (Or my tone reading actually does suck, which wouldn't particularly be a surprise at this point.)
- Writing cases is painful.


In an attempt to wake up my analytical skills

(and put off working on the case)

: my long delayed associative reads!

Ras + Virtue:

obviously my first choice. Off the top of my head, GiF spent some time anemically defending Ras, which looks more questionable in hindsight.

Ras + Magna:

not impossible per se, just highly unlikely. Would be fairly convincing distancing on p. 83?
Ras + implosion: less likely, though they've come into the day in complete opposition and I'm townreading implosion.

Virtue + Magna:

ink/Rubixx, godlike distancing, dead horse, etc

Virtue + implosion:

gunsmith innos, etc

Magna + implosion: nothing off the top of my head to rule it out, but that would be both of my townreads in a team, and that would be an all new low for me.

[Syndesis]

@Syn, If you're confident Ras is scum, why no vote?

I actually wrote an extended rant about this but then I realized it was horrifyingly angsty so let me summarize: I generally avoid making high-pressure votes (eg, hammers and first-votes-in-lylo) when I can. (Not deliberately; it just happens.)

VOTE: syndesis

plot twist: it's actually some team that I've been ignoring all game and I will go find a nice hole somewhere to hide for the rest of the year

VOTE: Raskolnikov


I'm out until deadline, I think. Yeah.

- screw lylos, they suck
- please vote right
- that means you, Magna
- more effort later™

Good night.

[Syndesis]

(relief, regret, and salt)

[Syndesis]

Sorry I suck.

[Syndesis]

I should not have joined this game.

[Syndesis]

GG town, you deserve the win. Thank you to Robster for having faith and making this game fun and to implosion for hanging in there and trying to rescue my apathetic rear today. And of course thanks to Met for resuscitating this game! I enjoyed playing with y'all even if I started slowly dying around the two month mark.

Spoiler: @Ras

I should not have joined this game.

Don't feel bad, you would have won if not for kirro, nino, and rubixxx all replacing out and said replacements being mostly reasonable people; all of these conditions had to be met. An unlikely thing to happen, in retrospect.
Your bussing also convinced most town initially, which is why I could not get you lynched you day 4.

I may have gotten a little melodramatic there because what I mostly meant was that I didn't expect to be alive in a game rapidly approaching endgame at the end of April, at which time I was so exhausted that it was all I could do not to prodge five times in a row. On the other hand, how did this game go to deadline every single Day? ;____; (not to mention the hilarious D1 no lynch)

Thank you for the feel-better though. I think the replacements being competent and non-lurky and having fresh, non-apathetic eyes threw a wrench in my "apathy/coast/win" plan (not that that was ever a

good

plan, let's be honest).

also it was fun playing with you again even though you mislynched me mrrarghrrrar

Spoiler: @implosion

I really did not enjoy this game very much. When I got my role PM I was excited for a role I hadn't been before but being fake-innoed as a traitor kind of sucks. I had no strong motivation to look town anymore because my lynch was off the table and I couldn't win the game on my own. Ostensibly my only imperative was to make Synd look town and it's not really fun playing in that way of only caring how someone else is perceived. It also isn't fun being more or less forced into a specific tactic because nothing else benefitted my cause (obviously I had no reason whatsoever to bus after GR flipped and only nominal motivation if that before).

Regardless of that, gg.

I am actually ironically probably the most curious about the scum PT because I'm curious how obviously I was the traitor to scum <_<

I can't even imagine how difficult it must be to play traitor and I think the way things panned out you were stuck in a very awkward position (I said this in the PT but bussing GR was approximately the stupidest decision in my life). My survivability as scum is Not Good and you ended up chained to me, sorry.

Uh...crumbs. For a while we actually thought BBT was the traitor (he even claimed scum). As Met mentioned, I caught your slip, but it was super subtle and I doubt I would have noticed had I not been on the lookout for traitor crumbs. And no one did notice, lol.

(Also just to be clear, no hard feelings at all toward either GR or synd,

although I do have some towards shortcut/taisho

:|)

A little, yeah. Just a little.

@

RC

: why did I not kill you N1, my life would have been so much better dammit
@

Dierfire

: alas, poor Dierfire, we never knew ye


I would appreciate any pointers on my scumplay anyone is willing to offer, I guess? I mean. I know I'm bad, and I kind of even know why I'm bad sometimes, but I don't really know how to not be bad apart from just...playing more.

I am okay with the release of the PT if possible (though all you're missing is pages and pages of me screaming to myself, pretty much). I can look for a few quotes later.

I think this is probably enough rambling for now. I honestly expected to be saltier but I think I am out of the ability to care about this game.