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I read up and I was writing a post as I was reading and realized I was just repeating stuff so gave up on that.
So, rolemadness huh. Did you guys remember scum has roles in these kind of power-heavy games as well? Oh yeah power-heavy, that makes it very likely there are several investigatives in this setup as well. So DK claiming cop is null. DK, you guys are going to need to town it up if you want to last.
I don't want to lynch Jeanne. I don't know her scumgame, and I don't think she's even decent as town, but rn she's a perfect null.
I think Bantel/Dwlee's townread on Blackstar is like a shallow mudpool.
BBT is usually more active so I don't know what's up there but some pressure might help.
VOTE: BBT
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Yup that's better.
Btw, I'm an alt.
Blackstar, why the vote for Polar?
Who of DK made 252?
In post 209, MagnaofIllusion wrote:It is a bad play to keep voting an uncounter-claimed Cop Day 1. Even if their play was scumtastic and filled with nothing but insulting and non-scum hunting posting.
I would like fro you to address my earlier point about this being role-madness.
Town: ARS, CoH.
Some thoughts on people that are heavily dependent on flips. I will not elaborate on this before Day 2 because I'm ignoring all pre-flip associatives now and focus on making independent reads. Lets call them null.
Scummy: DK, Blackstar, Banter
No wait this is scum
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In post 271, A Real Scourge wrote:we know it's role madness! i don't get how that's relevant? just because it's possible for a scum to have a cop-like role? when we're going entirely on DK's word, it doesn't matter if they're scum with a cop role or simply lying scum... none of that has any bearing on it. you don't lynch cop claims day 1 in role madness, you don't do it in normal games either!
Am I voting DK? No I am not. I am just saying that we should be careful just trusting a cop-claim, especially because they've been acting so anti-town. I was a scumtracker once and I won because nobody ever doubts an un-cc'ed claim. Like I said, I'm not going to take their claim at face-value; they're going to have to do more to prove they're town to me.
In post 272, A Real Scourge wrote:what are the differences between our reads?
I just felt Banter was quick to call him town after their push on him. Made me feel like Banter is scum and their scumread on Blackstar was fake. But I'm going to elaborate more on my reads Day 2, once we've had some flips and I have more information on the associative reads I have now. I now have 2 scumreads on players that are most likely not scum together and that's messing with my head. So I need flips.
In post 275, Dwlee99 wrote:You called my read a shallow mudpool.
I still don't see how my face is relevant then and you're now starting to piss me off. If you don't have anything to say about the points I made against you, then just don't talk to me at all.
Blackstar: you forgot to answer my question: why are you voting Polar?
PEdit:
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In post 284, The Banterlords wrote:AND there isnt even anything to respond to when all you say is "it is a shallow mudpool" like ok dude that's cool. How am I supposed to respond to that. This feels more like a salt war than like the actual game but god damn dude.
You don't respond to that. You use that to make a read on me and move on. Or if you think I'm miles off with my opinon, you can ask me to elaborate. You bringing up my face is in no way helpful to the game because I can't make a read on your alignment that way.
@Magna: I guess I misinterpreted your stance then. And that's the last I'll say about it.
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Not much happened here..
Now, the reason I'm scumreading faq is because he's not making a stance on DK's claim, while appearing to be at least having some sort of scumlean there judging by what he says about them. And I feel 207 was more of an OMGUS than anything else.
I'm not sure yet if I want to lynch jeanne. I don't know her that well, and I'm not sure enough of anyone's alignment to trust their statements on jeanne.
Jeanne, if you're town I want to work with you. What do you think of my faq-vote? What's your read on other players, as far as you have them now?-
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In post 379, The Banterlords wrote:I think the premise is that scim cant kill you without being watched doing it but they could just roleblock jeanne if both of you are town. idk
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See, DK, I played a game once where I was tracker and I confirmed nightactions, and then the next night townies died because I was a scum tracker. And there was a 3rd party dayvig. And a survivor. I don't know what to expect in games like this so I expect everything and nothing at the same time. (btw, this game was with my main so no link)The dayvig shot my 2 buddies but eventually shared the win with me, I was BP as well and due to flavour he couldn't shoot me. I was also protected and neighbourized by town in that game.
There is no information about whether or not there is a 3rd party, if there is I missed it, in that case point me to it. So we don't know. At least, I don't know.
I want to believe you re jeanne, but you're just not a strong enough townread for me rn.
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In post 416, Polar Vortex wrote:I really think we should look at Dom hard. He's done absolutely nothing towny. Neither has Jeanne, but at least she's replaced and maybe the replacement will be better. Also, DK could be helpful with the role
While I agree with you about Dom, the experience I have with him is kinda this. I think he'd be a good investigative target.
I'd like people to unvote jeanne, because I'm sure Ranger has some thoughts she wants to add.
Hi Ranger! Did you replace into a town-slot? I hope you did.
In post 419, The Banterlords wrote:masquerade, having found your main may ask why you need an alt?
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First, I'd appreciate it if you kept my main to yourself Second, I'd rather not say because that defeats the entire purpose of my alt.
In post 422, Dragon Knight wrote:You're voting a cop claim on D1. Either you're stupid or you're scum. Which is it?
And you're voting a tracker-claim. Tell me how Blackstar is being bad.
@Blackstar: Why are you voting a null-read that claimed cop?-
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I don't know anymore. I'm not used to Ranger giving that huge elaborations on reads unprompted.. I also have an issue with her comparing magna to another player, I want to see magna's response. Other than that, her readslists seem good enough to me, I don't agree with everything but I'm also not under the impression my reads are 100% correct at this point.
I want BBT to come in and read and share thoughts, most of all I want him to throw some questions my way. My reads on clumsy and Faq have changed to null in the last couple of pages and currently I don't know where I stand on anyone else. I'll do some rereads later.-
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Well BBT isn't really around so all Faq basically would be able to do is repeat what he's been saying before.
I don't know why people are so hung up over my DK-vote. It's gone already and now I'm voting Blackstar.
I can see why people think scourge is distant, I don't know if that makes them scum though. Because I kind of recognize myself in there. I didn't really find anything of big concern in their iso, maybe that should be a concern?
Faq, you're back to null because you weren't overly defensive when I was voting you. I don't know what you mean with this:
In post 485, FA_Q2 wrote:tried to bet BBT to put up a case for you
All I can think of that might have triggered you to ask this is me asking BBT to ask me some questions. I did that because I know if BBT is town his questions help me get focus. He asks things that I forget to think about.
I thought I explained my vote on Blackstar already but turns out I didn't.
In post 429, BlackStar wrote:They jump on every opportunity to try and join the biggest wagons. They're just so eager to see anyone but themselves get lynched. It makes me uneasy.
This is not true. There is some votehopping at the start and the only major wagons we had were on DK and jeanne and DK has consistently pushed jeanne/Ranger ever since they were wagoned. 5 posts before that one, Bs said DK was a nullread. At this stage of the game I think he should have stronger reads and shouldn't have to still naked-vote null-reads to get a better read on them. It feels like he's trying to look like he's scumhunting but he really isn't.-
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In post 511, BlackStar wrote:If you look back at all of my games you'll see that I suck at scum hunting
I played with you before and this time I think you suck because you're scum.
You said jeanne looked scummy, yet you never voted her. You did vote several null-reads though so it's not like you're hesitant with your votes either. You were actually defending her when DK started pushing her, see 300, 329, 360.-
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@Magna: About 560, I could easily make something like that as scum. It's null to me because I don't know Faq well enough to judge if he could do it is either alignment.
About my scumread on CoH: I'm not getting the feeling they are trying to figure this game out. I feel a lot in their iso is more about setup than scumhunting, there's very little opinion on other players. I don't know where they stand other than not wanting to lynch the claimed PR's (and not having a scumread on jeanne/Ranger but slightly scumreading DK) and now voting Dom which just seems like an easy target to push.
I read the rest of your walls as well and didn't see anything I want to comment on rn. I'm null on both you and Ranger and I hope the coming night will sort some stuff out for me. I'm still doubting whether you are tvt or svt. If svt, I'm currently leaning more toward Ranger being scum.-
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In post 610, BlackStar wrote:@masquerade I can't even remember the reasons people gave for why they think dominator is scum
Doesn't matter, I asked ifyouare willing to lynch Dom.-
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My case on them was mostly based on gut, with regard to my prior experience with both heads of that hydra. There's not much else I can say about that, i think for most it ended up a meta-read. I did have them as town before I started getting suspicious, so I get what you mean. Ok I'll let that go for now.
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In post 933, Ircher wrote:My olay is in general read as scummy. Code prob. tried to use that knowledge to their advantage.
This feels like you have a guilty conscience. You're making a defensive post while the attack wasn't at you. However, I quickly looked at your topics and I see both heads pop up in playerlists so there might be truth to your statement.-
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In post 775, shos wrote:^^^Just sayin', my gf is so rad that she got a pagetop without even trying! Wookh!
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In post 946, Polar Vortex wrote:Because the wagon on Magna was far superior and all the cool kids where there?
Not really though. That wagon never really seemed to pick up a lot of steam. When I check the vc's there are never more than 2 votes, checking the thread really quick and I see 3 votes on magna at the same time at most.
I also saw I was wrong about Ircher just now, sorry Ircher.-
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Yeah I don't have a lot of experience with different wincons/3rd parties and such, but I reread the role-pm and you're right.-
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In post 968, MagnaofIllusion wrote:reads as scum who knows I’m not flipping Mafia and wanted to look Town for being careful.
I'm so fucking done with this crap every game. It's my playstyle. I hate quicklynches, flashlkynches, whatever the term you want to use if fine by me. I hate them. I hate not being able to talk. I hate not being able to read back and get something more out of a Day than only votes on a wagon, even if it was on scum.
Besides that there's also the thing where I have trust-issues which translates into mafia in me not trusting other people to unvote in time. It's a personality thing and I'm getting more aware of that so in another couple games I'll probably won't be this careful anymore but it;s a work in progress.
So I looked back at your Day 1 (mosty skimming) and it stood out to me that you weren't looking for scumteams, just individual scums which does point to you knowing about the 3rd parties beforehand. It could also be a sign that you're SK-hunting scum yourself. The informed points you have are all known already so it doesn't prove anything. Your crumb doesn't prove anything either to me.
I'm not sure if I should believe your claim, I think it's a convenient wifom-claim to make for scum. I think your case on Dom is actually compelling now, also combined with how he hasn't posted yet at all today. I'm going to have a think about all this and post my thoughts on it later, I'm a bit conflicted rn.
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In post 970, Polar Vortex wrote:Do the two third parties include you? Because I see no reason for the mod to word it like that.
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In post 976, MagnaofIllusion wrote:You understand that regardless of whether the first paragraph is true or not that entire posting is not alignment indicative – personality is personality and it would not be unexpected for scum-Masq to follow along with what his personality says is the correct Town play. Long story short – I can see the scum motivation in that play. I think Dom is pretty clearly the obvious scum choice.
Ok, I guess there's nothing more I can say about it then.
As to your second paragraph – if you think I am Serial Killer hunting scum why do you think I would claim Survivor which is a “Lynch before LYLO” role when there is any suspicion on my slot at all? I’m not sure what WIFOM-claim even means in context so I’ll set that aside. And you did know there third source of potential kills? That’s interesting given there were only two kills last night. Care to clarify why that is not new information to you?
If you're scum you could hope we think you claimed the PL-role hoping we'd assume scum would never ever in a million years claim a role like that. And that's what I mean with wifom-claim.
DK was a 1-shot BP.
Also - do you really think looking for scum-teams before even a single scum flip is good scum-hunting?
I think it comes natural for townies to look for scumteams and (unconsciously or not) go on pre-flip associations. It has nothing to do with good or bad scumhunting.-
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In post 1009, shos wrote:*Note that being burned, driven over, bazooka'ed, molotov'ed, etc....those things pierce armor!
This wasn't mentioned for DK's BP-vest so now I'm doubting my assumption about DK being targetted twice last night..-
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In post 1001, TheDominator37 wrote:Why are we already compromising on lynch targets :/
This isn't compromising, it's agreeing.
Tell me more about your scumread on Banter.
In post 1002, TheDominator37 wrote:What has either of the banta heads done other than sheep and lurk lol.
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In post 1003, The Banterlords wrote:6 - 1 - 1
Mislynch
3 - 1 - 1 (possible if all scum hit town)
^ that is bad
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In post 1004, TheDominator37 wrote:Which is why would should not jump to a lynch as soon as possible
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In post 1016, MagnaofIllusion wrote:But answer this question – why did you feel the need to drop a vote at 9:13 am EDT on Monday as if somehow avoiding posting in this game given I was posting nowhere else? My V/LA for weekend always extend to Monday and my posting history should show that I’m never active from 12 am EDT until 9ish on weekdays.
Timezones. What's EDT? I'm in CEST. I posted the new vote what was for me halfway through the afternoon of Monday. I unvoted when it was still Sunday here.
In post 1016, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I think your assumption doesn’t hold much weight. For DK to have been shot twice at Night it would have to have been the Mafia and our suspected Serial Killer. He’s not going to shoot himself. And the shot on Ranger did not come from DK. Both thematically and logistically from a win-con standpoint that’s not a reasonable kill.
Maybe it was a town-shot from someone that honestly believed DK was scum as well as a scumshot that wanted a claimed cop gone.
Anyway, we now know BP doesn't protect to all types of death so that leads us to
In post 1010, Masquerade wrote:In post 1009, shos wrote:*Note that being burned, driven over, bazooka'ed, molotov'ed, etc....those things pierce armor!
This wasn't mentioned for DK's BP-vest so now I'm doubting my assumption about DK being targetted twice last night..
But I just checked DK's flip and
So DK really must have been hit twice, maybe he was hit yesterday during the day and then again during the night?
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