New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[pisskop]

VOTE: Pisskop

I think your play this game is pretty shakey. what happened? without a mindless fool to follow you lost your way?

[Something_Smart]

Spoiler: Performer's catchups

My 2 other ongoing went into OT for me in the morning, which I didn't expect. Catching up right now.
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I doubt the replace out and V/LA post, along with his statement of school project, came from scum

I got that. My question was why. Like it's one thing to believe that he was legitimately busy but I want to know why that has to come from town. Why wasn't he scum who was too busy to play? (And yes, I read the rest of your post. Just this is the part where I'm lost)

It's just how I read the Ness replace out. There's nothing more I can go into for why. Like I said, the replace out for Ness who's had a school project - I've seen replace outs from school-goers before and they've been town. That was why I read that slot as town.

I haven't seen anything from the replacement so far though and as I said before , I'm open minded so I reread the Ness ISO and wow. First 12 posts of filler along with a vote on someone who I've added to my townreads: Ilikebugs. Once I added that part of his ISO to the replace out, I see why he could be scum now.

Why should a VT without much to add be worried about being taken out first?

This is very questionable to me as well. Maybe it's just his completely overt town paranoia?

Id also like to know why I was asked to claim and why people were on jam before?

umm jam is too new so I dont know if hes acting scummy or townie for him

I'm starting to think ilikebugs is actually Townie based on these posts.

The read progression on Ness is understandable, but this could be making a show of changing his mind. He specifically claims to be open minded and demonstrates a "sell me on Ness...okay I'm sold on Ness" progression that could be faked. The Ilikebugs read is perfectly fine however.

If I had to choose one person that is most likely to be scum, I'd choose kickass.

#377 irks me in ways I cannot describe.

Golden Golden Golden. If I've been wrong about you this game, I'm going to shoot myself.
I really don't find it transparent in that pg 16 interaction you had, with Egg about Kickass being scum.

Do I need to read what came already or is it mostly fluff?

My oh my.

Well if it isn't someone who I was scum teamed with a while ago, in a large normal.

Drixx , the voice of reason.
I hope I can read you well enough to discern your alignment this game.

Nothing pinged me in this post.

You don't need to read anything, just shoot someone to confirm your predecessor's quintuplevoting dayvig survivor claim.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure my predecessor didn't claim that, LOL.

Yeah, he didn't claim that.
But then why did your predecessor claim he was a Town 3-shot Tracker? Awfully unwarranted, wouldn't you say?

Because SirCakez is making a lot of short quips that don't really mean anything or represent a wider perspective.

Short quips that...so you're saying he's just pushing out nonsense? -_ -

This is the one I really didn't like. Playing along with iraon's joke which serves no purpose except to distract, and the response to iraon's comment about SirCakez doesn't really mean much.

Performer sounds straightforward but I disagree with some of his posts (i.e. post 292, 298).

What do you disagree with about my 292 ?
From my 25+ games I've played on and offsite, as well as a few moderated games of varying capacity - I believe day 1 lynch means we have less of a chance of mislynching town (and possibly town PR). This means we have town PRs going to work overnight and more town remaining, to help us in the fight against scum. This of course, is just a general theory I hold.

Creature, how many games have you played? Do you prefer being town or scum? Does being scum make you feel more nervous or confident (or if you've never been scum, which do you think would be true?.

In this site I completed one game and am playing this and 3 others.
I prefer being town because when I am lynched my play will be accepted next game.
Depends, I start nervous, go confident a little then nervous again, but it doesn't differ too much from my town play.

Also, pretty sure the size of the posts is not alignment indicative.

Creature do you have offsite FM experience?
I find it super strange that you believe if you're town, your town play will be accepted next game. Elaborate?
I typically find size of posts and effort, to be town rather than scum. If the posts are consistently incoherent wall posts, that's another story.

Okay so here are my reads so far:
Drixx I wouldn't think make himself such a target d1 if he was scum. It's been a while since I've played mafia so I can see myself as town doing what Drixx is doing in his current position.
Reubus hasn't talked at all so I'm hoping he can add something.
Killthestory started the Drixx vote which seems more scummy than town to me.
Egg I think is using player meta which can easily backfire. Also voted Drixx immediately after killthestory. However still neutral on him due to him actively asking questions.

ilikebug, Drixx actually is very involved as scum. I can't recall his town play very well, but I think he's involved as town too. For a player like him, I don't think effort would be a good tell for sorting him.

The asking for explanation from Creature feels ever so slightly forced. Also the comment about size of posts doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Finished reread of Creature's ISO - he did put up a reads list with SC, Kop, KAAG, and Drixx (though I don't know why he put him in his scum list).

I can agree with Something's 460 case on Creature. Seeing as we have 9 or less days remaining, I 'd like to get more progress via a vote on VOTE: Creature
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Also just finished a read of Kop's ISO - his 189 was understandable in moving the game forward. His 445 sounded highly reasonable. Haven't seen enough from him though and he's now V/A until 4/8. Null read on this slot - I'd like to see more from him.

This could very well be seeing a buddy going down and deciding to bus them.

I'm still townreading Performer, and most of these posts were fine. But a few parts of them (particularly 507) felt slightly off. After rereading, though, it doesn't really feel that unusual.

[Ilikebugs]

Wait a sec. Did we ever find out ilikebugs has any FM exp? ilikebugs, tell me about your FM experience.

I've played a bit of mafia on other sites, I'm new to these long games though.

[Killthestory]

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[Axl_Rose]

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With 21 Alive, it's 11 to Lynch!

Mod Notes:

"Sweet Child O' Mine"
[Prodding Ozgin]

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  Boonskiies
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  Ozgin
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  Kop
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  Killthestory
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  Reubus Swagrid
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  pisskop
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  Performer
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  Drixx
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  SirCakez
  — Creature, Killthestory
  
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  Creature
  — Kop, KickAssAndGiggle, Egg, Something_Smart, jam, SirCakez
  
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  GuyFawkes
  — Slandaar
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  Something_Smart
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  Egg
  — Golden Robster
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  Slandaar
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  jam
  — GuyFawkes
  
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  iraonavp
  — Performer, pisskop, SnarkySnowman, Fraggernaut
  
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  Golden Robster
  — Boonskiies
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  Fraggernaut
  — iraonavp
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  Reubus Swagrid

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[Killthestory]

OOOOOOOOOO
OOO SWEET CHILD ͡O' MINE

I love that song

[Reubus Swagrid]

Obviously but 21 pages is a bit hard to sift through wouldn't you agree?

I do not agree. You just read the thread and after 21 pages you should have a starting point. What is difficult about that?

Having 21 people to read

[pisskop]

do somwthing

[Reubus Swagrid]

I don't even understand what Ness was trying to accomplish.

A few things I would like some clarity on

I don't understand the Jam wagon or the Creature wagon
Robster doesn't seem scummy to me, he doesn't exactly seem to have any scum merit behind his posting
Creature why are you voting Drixx exactly?

[SirCakez]

Reubus who are your scumreads?

[Reubus Swagrid]

Reubus who are your scumreads?

I'm looking for scumleans as we speak

Any suggestions?

[Performer]

VOTE: no lynch

What on earth?? I was speaking theoretically, I didn't suggest that we do a no lynch in this situation in a 21-person game.

You were there the last time someone posed a lose/lose question to me as a "reaction test", and if you recall I pointed out that it was a trap and declined to answer, and I'm sure you recall how that turned out.

Which points do you think are actually good?

What I have in my notes are this regarding Frag's points against ira: 279 , which was looking at pgs 2-11 at the time. Since then, ira has not been convincingly town.

[Performer]

Obviously but 21 pages is a bit hard to sift through wouldn't you agree?

I do not agree. You just read the thread and after 21 pages you should have a starting point. What is difficult about that?

Having 21 people to read

At the very least, do a focus point of like 5-10 people or something then. 21 is overwhelming but at least focus on the lurkers or anything that is highly questionable or super scummy to you.

[Performer]

Wait a sec, Reubus replaced into Ness, who I moved into my scum area of my notes. 21 players - _ -

Btw , anyone seen Drixx? He hasn't replied to my question to him. pisskop, I know you love when I question replacements in games. If he shows up when you're here, be sure to ask him my question .

[Drixx]

I think I probably just missed your question Performer. I stayed up from 9pm Sunday until 2:30am last night for non-mafia related stuffs, and I've been mostly recuperating from that today.

[SnarkySnowman]

So why are we not going on iraonvp?

[Killthestory]

Reubus who are your scumreads?

I'm looking for scumleans as we speak

Any suggestions?

Found one
VOTE: Reubus

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I don't even understand what Ness was trying to accomplish.

A few things I would like some clarity on

I don't understand the Jam wagon or the Creature wagon
Robster doesn't seem scummy to me, he doesn't exactly seem to have any scum merit behind his posting
Creature why are you voting Drixx exactly?

I voted Creature for dodging Egg's question, but I kinda liked his response to me, so...

UNVOTE: Creature

Ness was nailed on scum as far as I was concerned, and if you're not going to catch up a mere 21 pages (of mainly short posts) properly, then:

VOTE: Reubus

[iraonavp]

So why are we not going on iraonvp?

Who?

[iraonavp]

Drixx, yeah I'd like links to those dirty lies you've told recently. (Also holy shit that game was like 8-10 months ago already?!?!?). Also, why do you think your wagon is "easy"?

Unvote, Vote Creature

^sounds like I was reading that "here wo go" correctly then. His play since that hasn't changed my mind either.

Sircake, did you actually read my reasoning on Drixx critically? It wasn't just because he told a funny joke.

Bugs, why do you think Drixx intentionally made himself a target? And what is wrong with Killthestory's vote on Drixx? Do you think he somehow knew a wagonwould follow?

Kop, thanks I guess? That's the answer I wanted from Bugs but now we'll never get it. I forgot I'd asked though to be fair.

I agree with post 446.

I dont think Drixx wanted to be a target, but what he was doing made himself seem scummier. Killthestory voted Drixx without a reason, and Egg went with the vote. Just an observation for a potential pairing.

I'm not sure I understand. Do you think Drixx is a town-aligned player who just accidentally made himself look scummy? Do you think that Killthestory or Egg could be scum-aligned because they voted Drixx?

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Egg

VOTE: Pisskop

Why did you vote these players? I think Egg is town-aligned, and I don't have much of a feeling either way about pisskop.

[iraonavp]

You know Guy is lynchbait Slandaar, you were in Ice Cream. Not a very good vote.

The "lynchbait" idea is the same logic that you criticized Creature for using, how do you reconcile this?

[iraonavp]

VOTE: no lynch

What on earth?? I was speaking theoretically, I didn't suggest that we do a no lynch in this situation in a 21-person game.

VOTE: yes lynch

[iraonavp]

I've never played with Irao or Jam, and you are pinging me constantly so yea those are my scumreads.
Why make that vote directly after my wall though?

I find the way the question is asked suspicious, it's basically "wait, if you're town, then why did you do [reachy scumtell]????".

It's at least twice now he has said that wagons are bad as if that makes the voter scum-aligned. And I dislike the way he was interrogating Ilikebugs.

VOTE: SirCakez

[Slandaar]

Having 21 people to read

It's only 20. But on point - I don't see how that makes you special?