Penalty Box Mafia - Eagles. Game over. Scum wins (0-1)

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Let's do this!

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no. We are one player short.

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Yup, Go Foolster Go!

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pre-emptive

Vote: Mastermind

why? I <3 kittens, isn't that enough for you?

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Kittens are not gay!

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At least we didn't steal one of the most common internet gifs ever for our avatar.

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That was a pretty overdefensive counterattack to the attack on your avatar.

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Yes.

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As long as I am first, it doesn't matter.

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<3 Primate

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yay for /confirm'd people!

boo on non-confirms!

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Lowell why do you even sign up for games? The mod might as well line up a replacement for you cuz you're gonna lurk and have no clue what's going on.

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yup.

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I KNOW. I didn't mean my post to sound sarcastic. Just wanted to mimic a funny radio ad. Guess it kinda failed eh?

yup.

Just clarifying.

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hmmm, role faster then?

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Original Roll String: 1d11

1 11-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

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Vote: Lowell

I've had more than enough of his uselessness. Let's get rid of him before he screws us over.

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<3

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If we are better in the positions given in our role pms, is it beneficial to claim them so that the coach can put us in those positions, or do we think that would grant an advantage to the scum?

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Who's on the ice is public knowledge.

Yeah, I realized that 12+1=13 so I had to remove one double for a posisiton.

Who is on the ice? I don't see it posted anywhere.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Left Forward = AmeliaLi
Center = Mos
Right Forward = TheVenerableZorg.
Left Defence = Oman
Right Defense = Flameaxe
Goalie. = Creampuffeater.

Unless he changed it, this is what I think it is.

hence the problem. I'd like our mod to post the list.

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Assuming we can come up with some reason that scum benefit from knowing everyone's positions, would it be beneficial for people on the ice to claim that the one they're in is NOT the right position? This way not everyone claims their actual position, but it can help the coach put us in the right position with minimal help to scum, imo.

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The other game hasn't even started.

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The other game hasn't even started.

So lets claim all our role info to get the game going. :stupid:

Did this comment have something to do with me, or did you just quote me for fun?

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^QFT

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY JDOUDGE!

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY JDOUDGE! IT'S OUN MY TIME NOUW.

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I will not be able to post content until the next week. I have an Ultimate tournament this weekend.

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You're all stealing my schtick. I think like 5 of my first 7 dice roll votes, when I started doing it, were votes on myself. It was awesome.

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^Fixed vote count. Sorry about that.

still says Lowell has 2 votes...

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I would like to propose something. Not for this day, perhaps, but for future days. I propose that whoever Primate puts on the ice gets immunity from lynch. I propose it for these reasons:

a) This allows Primate more control over who gets lynched, since he doesn't have a vote. Sure, he can tell us what he thinks, but scum can still argue against him if they have to. This way, he makes some of the calls for sure.

b) This allows us to focus more on a smaller group of players and hopefully apply good pressure to force the scum out. This is not to say that we will ignore other players on the ice if they do something really scummy, but the discussion should be focused around scrutinizing the scummy players not on the ice. The players on the ice still need to actively contribute and analyze people, because they could find themselves taken off the ice the next day if they try to skate by without helping the town. This forces activity out of the players as well as putting focused pressure on scummy players to get them to shape up or ship out.

c) Most importantly, this means that we don't lynch anyone who is currently on the ice. Since I'm not sure how the mechanics work for that, I'm going to assume that it would be beneficial for us to end each day with a full number of players on the ice, in order to keep the other team from scoring. This plan allows us to not only make sure that we have all those players on the ice, but that also the people on the ice are the ones who look more innocent anyways, since Primate is putting them there for that reason.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I would like to propose something. Not for this day, perhaps, but for future days. I propose that whoever Primate puts on the ice gets immunity from lynch. I propose it for these reasons:

a) This allows Primate more control over who gets lynched, since he doesn't have a vote. Sure, he can tell us what he thinks, but scum can still argue against him if they have to. This way, he makes some of the calls for sure.

b) This allows us to focus more on a smaller group of players and hopefully apply good pressure to force the scum out. This is not to say that we will ignore other players on the ice if they do something really scummy, but the discussion should be focused around scrutinizing the scummy players not on the ice. The players on the ice still need to actively contribute and analyze people, because they could find themselves taken off the ice the next day if they try to skate by without helping the town. This forces activity out of the players as well as putting focused pressure on scummy players to get them to shape up or ship out.

c) Most importantly, this means that we don't lynch anyone who is currently on the ice. Since I'm not sure how the mechanics work for that, I'm going to assume that it would be beneficial for us to end each day with a full number of players on the ice, in order to keep the other team from scoring. This plan allows us to not only make sure that we have all those players on the ice, but that also the people on the ice are the ones who look more innocent anyways, since Primate is putting them there for that reason.

No, just no.

#1: I think I covered that if I want to lynch someone and the rest of the town doesn't, I can act as king and just order the town to lynch that person. That gives me all the say I will ever need, really, and as far as self-enforced rules go, it's better than one that encourages us to ignore half the players.

I wish it worked that way.

I'm not convinced by Masterminds plan either. Primate's responses made alot of sense, except the bit about 'if i think someone could be scum, you must do as i say'. Whilst of course, as Captain, we know you are on our side, that doesn't necessarily mean you are always right.

So, whilst we should take your opinion into account, i don't think just going along with whatever you say is a great way to play the game.

But maybe that's just me.

#2: 'focus on players not on the ice' is another way of saying 'ignore the players on the ice' except your way actively encourages us to do less whilst my way encourages the town to do more things. And I think the 'post or you get taken off the ice' threat is there regardless of whether we're focusing on the non-icers, so that's irrelevant too. So the second part of the plan is something that's going to happen regardless, so it's a bit misleading you try and put it across as an advantage of your plan.

Fair enough. I mean, I guess it's a given that you would put people you trust the most on the ice. I didn't really think that through.

#3: Is BS too. If someone is sufficiently scummy we should lynch them regardless. I admit we need to consider the ice, seeing as how goals are paramount, but it's a bit stupid just saying that we're going to ignore all the people on the ice cause it could lose them the game.

Arbitrarily tying our shoelaces together is not the play.

From the way I understand the game, getting goals are *more* paramount than lynching scum. Sure, we want to lynch scum, but I think it would be more beneficial for us to have a scum on the ice than to take them off the ice and play shorthanded. Assuming this game is supposed to simulate an actual hockey game, the scum can't sabotage the game *too* obviously, because we'd see it. However, playing shorthanded is a strong recipe for the other team to score. So I disagree that we should just "consider the ice". I would propose that having players on the ice is the most important aspect of the game.

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I wish it worked that way.

Erm, well if the town agrees, if can work that way.

YOUR WISHES CAN COME TRUE, MOS, THEY CAN COME TRUE!

I'm clearly in agreement.

Do you agree with my proposition about the ice, or is there some mechanic we don't know about (that you know) that makes the ice less important?

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Lol, in 24 hours he can tell us what the penalty is.

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We need to get these penalties worked out without subjecting ourselves to them as much as possible. I suggest we watch the other thread (if you aren't already) to see what penalties they run into. I'd rather not have more penalties than they do by the end of the "period". Or even the day, for that matter. Or ever.

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It's definitely sandwiching a post between two of your own that gets you smashing penalties. We said this pages and pages ago, why are you people still doing it?

Also, V/LA until next week.

[Mastermind of Sin]

It's definitely sandwiching a post between two of your own that gets you smashing penalties. We said this pages and pages ago, why are you people still doing it?

Also, V/LA until next week.

if that was the case, Oman would have recieved one between Lowell's and Flameaxe's...

Maybe you only get called on it once?

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Oman was also called for the frowning smiley or w/e.

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Agreed.

Vote: Oman

/Person C!!!!11!1!!!one!!!!1!!!

Seriously, how many penalties has Oman caused for us? Now that Lowell brings it up, that seems really shady.

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That's what I've been saying for a while now... -_-

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FoS: creampuffeater

Oman and CPE need to stop making more penalties for us.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Time for Oman to die, methinks.

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Sure...

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Says the guy who was helping oman get penalties...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Fool me 3 times, DIE SCUM DIE.

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Oman, that wasn't 24 hours yet, ffs.

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:56 pm
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:39 pm

What's the penalty for posting when your time isn't up yet?

As if we would believe you the first time, this pretty much seals the deal for me. You're going down, scum.

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...I can't believe I just did that. I sat here for like 10 minutes going, "ah, fuck, I can't believe Oman got me to do that!" Then I realized I had already done it to Shanba's post. Oh great. So, I'm not going to be speaking for 24 hours or so, once the mod gets here. That was dumb of me. That's what I get for posting on impulse instead of paying attention. -_-

I don't think you get called for the penalty multiple times in a row, or I wouldn't be posting this. However, I've already committed the penalty (twice, even >.<), so there's no point in hoping that someone else shows up to the thread before the mod does. Cya in 24 hours, guys. >_<

Oman, I hate you.

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Also notice how Oman just got himself ANOTHER penalty by sandwiching my reply to him. Grrr....

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Yea, Oman should've been dead anyways, cuz I had been voting him for like a week. But w/e.

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That's what they all say...

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I want to reread Zorg, Lowell, Flameaxe, and CPE. I don't recall being too happy about their play so far. We'll see what becomes of that.

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MoS, I totally carried us to that Oman lynch. Give a minute to celebrate before you accuse me of bussing, at least...

Well, first off, I think I was pretty vocal about his lynch, now that you mention it. Secondly, I just said I wasn't that happy with your play from what I remembered. I'm not making a definite judgement, and I didn't say anything at all about the Oman lynch, so why are you so defensive about it?

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I point you all back to my theory that having no one on the ice may actually be worse than having a scum, because shorthanded would be logistically worse than a scum who at least has to fake playing for our side. Just sayin'.

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Vote: Flameaxe

It made Oman scum. I don't see why you're any different from him trying to get away with blatantly committing penalties and acting like it'd be too obvious for him to be scum.

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Vote: Flameaxe

I don't really like it when people tempt fate. We had no reason to believe that you couldn't get penalties in between days, so there was no reason to bait the mod.

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^agreed.

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I'd also like to see CPE come off the ice.

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Unvote, Vote: CPE

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PS: cpe is probably town. He's the only member of the intro crew I want to keep on the ice.

This statement does not compute. Please explain.

I like that lineup, and agree I dont' really care who the last person is.

Three things:
1) I now firmly think flameaxe is innocent.
2) Primate, I think you may be right about why we conceded a goal... though it does, on some level, seem a little to obvious
3) MoS usually hates me and finds me suspicious. Not as much this game... THIS I find suspicious

Three things:
1) I'd mostly given up on helping you
2) I have bigger fish to fry
3) You're actually doing a pretty good job of not sucking this game

Therefore, I have no reason to hate you OR find you suspicious.

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PS: cpe is probably town. He's the only member of the intro crew I want to keep on the ice.

This statement does not compute. Please explain.

It's absolutely nothing like his scum play and very similar to how he always plays as town.

I don't like his interaction with Oman and the way he got his penalties.

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Yeah, well I'm disregarding your opinion on CPE then. He's blatantly town, imho.

Not much I can do about that, then. *shrug*

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/lurk lurk lurk

FFS, am I the only one who is not content with letting him act like scum and still be alive?

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Because I can't enact a plan by myself. If we weren't going to follow the plan, we weren't going to follow the plan. There wasn't anything I could do about it, so I just tried to make do as is and find scum. That scum happened to be on the ice.

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Don't put words in my mouth, please. I speculated that keeping players on the ice is the most important aspect of the game, and I still believe that might be the case. But I did not say "under no conditions" would we lynch anyone on the ice. In fact, I seem to recall specifically saying that we would not ignore someone on the ice if they did something really scummy, but just that we should focus on people off the ice for most of the time.

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While I'm sure we all realize that it was all a combination of factors, I cannot fathom how you can be so sure what *didn't* factor into us getting scored on. Do you have inside information about this? We can speculate all we want about how the game works, but I have a problem with people making assertions such as yours, which restrict what we consider as possibilities with no logical reasoning to do so.

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I'm not on the ice. How the hell can I get smashing from the bench?

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For someone who prided himself on faking penalties when he couldn't actually get them, you're awfully unobservant now...

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Touche, Primate. I misremembered what I said. I was thinking of this sentence:

This is not to say that we will ignore other players on the ice if they do something really scummy, but the discussion should be focused around scrutinizing the scummy players not on the ice.

When it became obvious to me that Oman was scum, I stopped thinking about the fact that he was on the ice and the possible consequences of that. *shrug* I just went into scum-killing mode and didn't really consider anything else.

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Do you mean besides the fact that I was one of the first people to call Oman out and push for his lynch? At the time I voted him, he only had one vote. That was from Killerbob, who voted him through a

dice roll

. So I fail to see how you can assert that my reaction was anything like that when I basically

started

the Oman wagon...

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Hrmm, where exactly am I trying to prove my innocence through the Oman lynch?

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wtf?

I am not on the ice...

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Gah.

I want to vote TVZ.

Then why aren't you?

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WTF activity?

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Yea, I realized the fatal flaw in my plan is when Primate puts all the scummy players on the ice...>.<

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You aren't that person, but CPE

is

.

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I'm going to avoid commenting on the recent stupidity emanating from JD and Flameaxe, because I'm not sure what to make of it yet.

You aren't that person, but CPE

is

.

Ah but you just called me scummy, don't change your mind now

No, I said that all the scummy players were on the ice. Not that all the players on the ice were scummy. Learn some discrete math. :teach:

[Mastermind of Sin]

Alright, I'm back from the holidays. I'll be catching up on my games in the next day or two.

Although I notice that not much has happened in this game...

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I never noticed my vote wasn't counted until Oman was lynched. I had assumed it would be there since I knew what votes I had cast and that I hadn't changed it. I did contact the mod about it privately after the thread was locked, but I was completely ignored. No response whatsoever.

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Also, in case I wasn't clear, I have no idea why it didn't count, and I still don't know.

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Lowell has a point, I suppose.

unvote

Need to reconsider.

Notice: I will be leaving Mafiascum in the near future. As a result, I will be cutting back on games where possible. I'm going to try not to be replaced if I can, but this is an advance notice that my activity WILL decrease.

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Uhhh,

Unvote, Vote: Gator

?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Zorg, what were the Hawk's response to the problems we had with mass claiming? We discussed this as well on Day 1, but came to the decision that it would be bad to mass claim, because it would help the scum. What reason did they have that was different from our conclusion?

And yes, I'm too lazy to look it up myself. Sorry.

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Players: (12)
Coach: Primate (Cannot vote or be lynched)
Alive: (10)
Shanba
JDodge
Mastermind of Sin
Oman (In the penalty box)
creampuffeater
The Venerable Zorg
killerbob
Lowell
Panzerjager
FlameAxe
Expelled from the game: (1)
Gatorguy91

Why is oman in the penalty box (ie still alive), but Gatorguy is expelled from the game?

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The problem with this game is that there isn't enough contribution to find out who is scum and who isn't. Therefore, it's likely that at least 1 scum is among our low-contribution players.

Shanba - he's only had like 4 posts this game longer than a sentence or two, but that's pretty good given the inactivity in this game, so I can't hold it against him.
JDodge - has almost entirely one-liners this game, and really hasn't contributed much. His only big posts can be found in this conversation with Flameaxe, and I agreed with him there. So I'd really just like him to contribute more, because when he did, it was a pretty good contribution.
creampuffeater - I think I've made my position on CPE fairly clear. I don't think he's trustworthy, and he definitely should not be on the ice again.
The Venerable Zorg - Hasn't had a lot of posts, but most of them are substantial. I like his contribution so far. I would be fine with him on the ice.
killerbob - needs to be replaced. He has contributed ONLY one-liners, and he hasn't posted since Oman was still around.
Lowell - Surprisingly enough, Lowell has probably contributed more than most of the other players in the game. I don't have much of a problem with him yet.
Panzerjager - didn't he leave the site? We need a replacement STAT.
Flameaxe - I haven't really liked his methods this game. After CPE, he's my best bet for scum.

So, in no particular order, we have:

People I am comfortable with:
Shanba
The Venerable Zorg
Lowell

People I am in the middle on:
JDodge
killerbob
Panzerjager

People I am uncomfortable with:
CPE
Flameaxe

[Mastermind of Sin]

Lowell, Shanba, Flameaxe, creampuffeater, JDodge, Mastermind of Sin

That's who voted for gatorguy. Who were the 5 people you counted as having posted?

[Mastermind of Sin]

No I haven't. I said I was uncomfortable with you after you started acting scummy. I really didn't push you until right before Oman died, I think. That was when you made your first major scumtell, iirc.

[Mastermind of Sin]

CPE was trying to get penalties just like Oman was.

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So was Flameaxe. Why don't you find everyone who has tried to get penalties suspicious?

Reading comprehension, kthnx.

People I am uncomfortable with:
CPE
Flameaxe

Also, pretty sure CPE got a penalty for someone else because he was goalie and couldn't be taken off the ice.

[Mastermind of Sin]

It's only been two pages since we last lynched. Getting a little antsy?

Vote: Flameaxe

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Shanba makes a good point. We can't even vote or get penalties yet, because our day hasn't even started until we get a lineup. *sigh*

[Mastermind of Sin]

I hate this game.

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Well, I'm going to assume that we can vote, since the mod is giving us a deadline to lynch. However, he hasn't posted a vote count, so clearly our votes so far haven't counted. This is just confusing. I think we're getting screwed over by misinformation. I was under the impression that day didn't start until both teams had declared lineups, but somehow the other team was allowed to start lynching before we even had anyone on the ice. We need a lot of replacements, and we aren't getting those, either. There's only so much we can do to get shit done when we're getting screwed over by the mod. -_-

Vote: Flameaxe

,

again...

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Double post, because I hate this game.

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Lowell, if you don't like that vote, we can always vote Flameaxe. Otherwise, I'm going to switch to CPE before deadline, which is in 12 hours.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Why does someone have a double vote?

Unvote, Vote: CPE

Death to scum.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't think it really matters who we put on the ice, since we don't know who the new scum is.

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Yea, but we haven't claimed our positions, and Foolster said we can't go around claiming stuff until after the lineup is posted. If Primate knew what our positions were, that would help.

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I don't think it really matters who we put on the ice, since we don't know who the new scum is.

Mos, what are the scum capable of?

Pretty much everything in your old pm you can get away with without quoting pls.

And honestly the claiming was the entire reason I wanted this phase, so I know where to put you, if we're not allowed to do that, I agree with Mos that my list might as well be random (literally).

I don't know of anything in particular. My role wasn't any different from the ones Oman and CPE had. I didn't have any special abilities. I believe that the hawks were scored on the first time because all three of us were on the ice D1. Also, I told you not to put CPE on the ice! =P <3

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't think it really matters who we put on the ice, since we don't know who the new scum is.

Mos, what are the scum capable of?

Pretty much everything in your old pm you can get away with without quoting pls.

And honestly the claiming was the entire reason I wanted this phase, so I know where to put you, if we're not allowed to do that, I agree with Mos that my list might as well be random (literally).

I don't know of anything in particular. My role wasn't any different from the ones Oman and CPE had. I didn't have any special abilities. I believe that the hawks were scored on the first time because all three of us were on the ice D1. Also, I told you not to put CPE on the ice! =P <3

Eh, least I knew enough to keep you off. I'm annoyed about being wrong about CPE though.

Mostly what I'm asking is do the scum have any kind of kill or way of re-arranging the list that I give in a day. But also any kind of roleblock or way of doing something with penalties? Did you have safe claims, and if you did, it is actually a safe claim or do you actually get a better result from being in that position over just being on the ice.

If I had any of that information, I would've told you already. I know less about this setup than you do.

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Well, CPE had a false claim. Are you saying you didn't have one?

Or are you literally saying you don't have any of the information I'm asking for, that you don't know whether you used to have a kill or not, because I find that bizarre.

CPE had a false claim? I honestly have no clue what you're talking about. The scum haven't been able to talk to anyone all game, since it's nightless. I don't know anything about a kill or false claims or anything like that. I don't know where you're getting that from.

[Mastermind of Sin]

CPE was a 'defensive left wing'. He was, however, not really a 'defensive left wing' he was a mafia. Ditto w/Oman and 'forward right wing'. These obviously weren't their real roles, as a scum defensive left wing isn't actually a defensive left wing because he isn't being defensive. He just has the name 'defensive left wing' in order to allow him to claim safely in a game where presumably most of the other players have some idea of what position they're meant to be in.

I didn't really see that as a safe claim. I assumed that's the position we're best at as a player. Like, when I play Ultimate I'm best as a handle. If I played for another team, I would still play handle, even if I was trying to subtly cost them the game at the same time. The wording of the scum role pm implies that we ARE that role AND scum. Nothing in the wording implies that it's a safe claim. I believe this is supported by the fact that my role didn't change other than ceasing to be scum now.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Well I don't score goals much, and I'm definitely not a lefty. =P

[Mastermind of Sin]

[quote="Primate"
Ok so unless someones messed up their claim we have two right backs. *sigh*[/quote]

I think we have multiples of some positions, in case one of them dies.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Panzer is definitely around the site, dunno why he has pretty much never posted in this game...

[Mastermind of Sin]

LoL, Primate ftw!

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lol, I would've told you if you were wrong

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: No Lynch

Let's do this quickly so that the other team has no time to coordinate a lynch.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Poor Primate...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Have JDodge, Lowell, and TVZ claimed their positions yet? They need to do so now, please.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm guessing that we probably had our scum on the ice, so any scum they had on the ice weren't enough of an advantage for us.

[Mastermind of Sin]

They are 25% scum. But if they don't put their scum on the ice, it doesn't hurt them, I'm assuming. Having been scum, I know that there's no real way we have to hurt you that we know of. I was just trying to get on the ice and stay alive. Penalties obviously help the scum, too.

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If we can get the replacements before we need to send in a lineup, I'd like to get the replacements to claim and put them on the ice. I think our scum was on the ice this time, and that's why we didn't score. So I think we should shuffle the lineup as much as possible to try and get the scum off the ice.

We should also start discussing our next lynch now, because that's how the other team dealt with our no lynch last time. They managed to lynch a "scum" by pseudo-voting during the lineup phase and then quicklynching him in response to our no lynch. So let's start discussing votes now.

[Mastermind of Sin]

so, no lynch quicklynch again?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Can you at least claim your position for us while you're here?

[Mastermind of Sin]

We don't have a right forward, it looks like.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oh.

[Mastermind of Sin]

So we have 2 dead right forwards and 1 dead left defence?

So we only have 1 claimed goalie and 1 claimed left forward right now. And 1 person yet to claim. I'm guessing we only have 1 goalie, that's why there are 11 players.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Thanks.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Is anyone paying attention? Has the other team lynched any scum yet?

If not, I propose another no lynch. It'll force them to either (a) lynch fast, or (b) no lynch also, either of which, one would think, would favor us.

Lowell, Primate and I already suggested this

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I'm betting panzer is the left forward, so putting him at right forward shouldn't be *too* bad.

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@Foolster: Panzerjager requested replacement from you about 4 months ago. He recently posted in this thread again (to remind you that he asked for replacement, even) because I actually prodded him to post, which proves that you didn't even

prod

him in the last 4 months. Can you please just replace him and forgo the three days? He's not missing, he just doesn't want to be in this game.

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From the other thread:

If we go into a tie-breaker, I think my poison power becomes more useful because it gives us 2 lynches in 1 day. The other team hasn't used their poison power either, so they can employ the same tactic if we go into a tie-breaker.

Whoever has this power should claim it. I just hope they didn't become scum in the re-shuffling of that alignment.

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Primate already asked that.

Out of town until Wednesday.

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Primate, while I was scum, I'd actually considered fake claiming my position if we mass claimed. However, since it never came to that, I never really thought through the strategy completely. But that might've made it less obvious who was scum at that point, if I didn't fuck it up.

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Hasn't the other team already sent a lineup? Why are we still in Pre-Day? If both teams have sent a lineup, it seems unfair for the day not to have started yet, especially since our team's strategy relies on being able to quickly no lynch so that the other team doesn't have much time to lynch. Giving them 2 extra weeks of pre-day is completely biased towards the other team.

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ITT Foolster fucks over the Eagles again.

QFT.

QFT. If the game goes to 6 days instead of 9, I'm going to ask for replacement. Do not change setups in the middle unless there is a pressing need for it. The length of the game was public knowledge that affected people's play. You cannot change it without completely fucking things over.

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only Primate and Foolster know.

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Zeek. I'm pretty sure Primate already sent in the lineup before you replaced in. How is he going to change it? Also, why would we have Shanba play right wing? He is a defensive player...

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lol, I knew Flameaxe had it, but I wanted to get him lynched when I was scum. It was funny to see him get pissed off when no one paid attention to his pseudo-claim.

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<3

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That's old, man. I've already seen that one.

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mod: can you update the game with the replacements?

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It's

random

, ie, the mod didn't purposefully remove anyone (except Primate) from the list of possibilities. It would be broken in our favor if we could remove people just based on their claims, Capricious. Not to mention that I don't think we lose automatically if the scum is the only person at their position. The other team still has two scum left, and if we manage to lynch the last scum, I think we'll still win even if 2 of our positions are compromised, because we have people from similar positions who can take over those spots. It should still be in our favor to lynch scum at this point.

On that note, though, I'm very interested to hear why Lowell thinks Flameaxe is scum. I don't really have a reason to think otherwise, but I didn't suspect him, either. Was he on the ice yesterday?

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Vote: No Lynch

I'm going to a tournament for 3 days. cya then

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Hmm. They got control of the puck, but didn't score, so either we had scum on the ice and they just fucked up their lineup (they had a claimed goalie playing left-forward), or our scum was off the ice (hence them not scoring) but they had a better lineup (since we also cannot fill all the positions). I'm not sure which one is more likely, though. Can anyone see some good changes in the lineup to make that would help narrow down the scum?

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Do we have a backup mod?

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out of town for the weekend...

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Ok, what's the plan? The delay was so long that the other team probably could coordinate a lynch, so I think quick-lynching no lynch again would just hurt us. We should probably start lynching again.

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Hmm, looks like the other team is going to try and no lynch quickly instead...they have more scum than we do, we should be able to win that war if we no lynch as well, and it's probably better than a quick lynch decision, which is what we'd be stuck with at this point.

Vote: No Lynch

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We've gotta have a better line than them, cuz we keep getting the puck...we must just not have enough of an advantage to score.

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I don't have a problem with this change, except that there is one glaring problem with it. The plan depends on the scum being in one of the duplicate roles. Since the scum assignment was random, we need to come up with a way of determining who the scum is if it's not one of the duplicates. Regardless, though, I think it makes sense to switch out our doubles.

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If you or Lowell are scum, how to you propose we figure that out, if we're playing both of you on the ice?

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I agree w/ Zeek that I doubt we lose too much by putting a left forward at right forward or visa versa. I say we continue to rotate players in and out. If at any point we score, we've probably isolated the scum.

I agree, but if we never take some people off the ice, there's no way to tell if they are scum or not.

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We need to start discussing who to lynch (or if we're going to no lynch) now. The other team is considering no lynching, so we need to be prepared in case they try to and we don't want to.

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V/LA through Friday.

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*poke*

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*badunkadunk*

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Finals week, kinda busy. This game won't go anywhere anyway...

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Vote: Abandonment

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I find it very hard to believe that it is as impossible to find replacements as Foolster is making it out to be. I know there aren't a lot out there, but I've been running my Designer game concurrently with this one, and I've replaced a hell of a lot more people than he has. I never had to wait months while looking for replacements, either.

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Crub agreed to replace Primate. Let's do this!

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TBH, I agree with Zeek being off the ice. He has seemed very eager to see himself on the ice since he came into the game.

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Oh yea, I forgot to tell him that everything before like page 20 doesn't matter when I asked him to replace. My bad.

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Your post is kinda ambiguous, so I just wanted to make sure you realized that I'm not necessarily scum

now

. The mod randomized a new scum out of the living players.

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Vote: No Lynch

indeed...

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Congratulations. This game is officially my last game on Mafiascum for the time being. My only other game just finished, so now I'm down to just this one.

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Day 6
Goalie: Capricous
Right Back: Mos
Left Back: Flameaxe
Centre: TVZ
Right Forward: Jdodge
Left Forward: Zeetlk

Day 6 Result: Eagles get the puck, don't manage to score

Day 7
Goalie: Capricous
Right Back: Shanba
Left Back: Flameaxe
Centre: JDodge
Right Forward: TVZ
Left Forward: Lowell

Day 7 Result: Eagles get the puck, miss wide

Switching out people didn't change the result, so I think our scum is still on the ice. I believe it is one of Capricious, Flameaxe, JDodge, and TVZ. If we're going to score twice with only two days left, we need to lynch that last scum and make sure our lineup is fully working for us. That's the only way we can pull out a win at this point. The other team just lynched a scum, so they only have 2 left among them. This means they have an even greater advantage than they did before, because they are less likely to have a bad lineup. I think we need to take action now. The question is which of those four is our scum. With such little data due to the scum reset, it will be hard to track them down, but we have to try. I think we should keep as many of them off the ice as possible. Capricious is obviously unreplaceable, so we should leave him on the ice for now. Shanba and I can cover the defensive positions, so we can take Flameaxe off the ice. JDodge and TVZ have both claimed Centre, so I believe we should bench whichever of them was on the ice Day 5, since they each had the position in one of Day 6 and Day 7.

The problem is, TVZ hasn't posted since Feb 29, and JDodge hasn't posted since Mar 1. I hope our mod can prod them please so we can get some input out of them.

Lowell and Zeetlk can split the other Forward positions, since each of them had time off the ice during the last two periods. This way we have 2 of our suspicious people off the ice, and we should lynch one of them. If we don't manage to score, we put the other person back in and lynch one of the two that were on the ice this period. I am still leery about ever removing Capricious from the ice, but that is a bridge we will have to cross tomorrow, if we don't manage to score.

My suggested lineup:

Goalie: Capricous
Right Back: Shanba/MoS
Left Back: Shanba/MoS
Centre: TVZ (JDodge was the one on the ice for Day 5 and Day 7)
Right Forward: Zeetlk/Lowell
Left Forward: Zeetlk/Lowell

This leaves JDodge and Flameaxe off the ice for now. I would suggest lynching Flameaxe, because if we do not score and have to take TVZ off the ice, we will still have JDodge there to replace him, giving us a better shot at scoring on the last day to force a tie. If we do score and Flameaxe doesn't come up scum, we can lynch JDodge tomorrow. Either way, if he's scum, he's off the ice now, so hopefully he can't do any damage from there. We'll increase our chances of having a strong lineup by lynching Flameaxe first, barring any significant evidence that any of the other three are more likely scum than Flameaxe.

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Well, I *do* want to lynch him first...

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Ok then Happy with this?

Right Back: MoS
Left Back: Shanba
Centre: TVZ
Right Forward: Zeetlk
Left Forward: Lowell

yes.

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*bump* for mod...

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Why don't you deadline them like you deadlined us? Why are they being given leeway?

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Vote: Flameaxe

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Mod, who replaced Killerbob?

You never even updated the first post...also, our coach's name is

Crub

, not

Grub

...

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I'm inclined to agree with Flameaxe, that was stupid. But the numbers point towards Flameaxe as scum, so I'm not going to distrust that.

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but Flameaxe, if he is town, should never agree to vote himself. That was the stupid part.

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*bump*

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This activity is disgusting.

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Mod, as I've said multiple times before, The Venerable Zorg, JDodge, and Capricious are all missing.

Also, Lowell hasn't posted in a while, but there hasn't been anything to say.

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Mod, can you point out to our replacements that they can start reading at page 20, because of the scum redistribution? Save them some time.

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umm, if it's 4 to lynch, isn't that a lynch?

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Aye, one would think so.

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I don't really see this going any other way but a lynch on Flameaxe, if more people were around to vote. However, as much as it would pain me to have it happen, the only other solution I can think of would be a no lynch because we didn't reach a majority.

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Flameaxe, if we don't lynch you, we have no idea whether or not you are scum, and we only get one more chance to find scum.

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Flameaxe, if we don't lynch you, we have no idea whether or not you are scum, and we only get one more chance to find scum.

Clearly someone hasn't read up on the mechanics enough.

You aren't the only one off the ice.

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crap.

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I say we use this lineup:

Right Back: Shanba
Left Back: MoS
Centre: JDodge
Right Forward: Lowell
Left Forward: Zeetlk

This was yesterday's lineup:

Right Back: MoS
Left Back: Shanba
Centre: TVZ
Right Forward: Zeetlk
Left Forward: Lowell

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I believe TVZ, or whoever replaced him, I have no idea who it is, is our last scum. Since the Hawks got the defense but didn't score, that makes me fairly sure our defense is all protown. That means someone in our offense is scum, and TVZ was the one on the ice instead of JDodge last time.

strife, your reasoning doesn't make any sense, because both Shanba and myself have ALSO been switched around with no luck. I already outlined earlier why the JDodge/TVZ pair should contain our last scum if Flameaxe wasn't scum.

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a) we need to fill the spot, because we only have enough people to bench one person
b) we just tested JDodge by benching him last period, when our offense failed to get the puck, so I think it's TVZ.

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Crub is the captain, so he needs to decide on the lineup.

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err, I meant Coach.

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If only...

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Vote: TVZ

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can we get prods on JDodge or Lowell?

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lynch?

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Damn.

Now what? The other team has 24 hours to lynch and then we see if we can score? How do we handle ties?

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Err actually, I was still scum...Foolster said that I would stay scum after the reshuffle. Either you're lying, Lowell, or Foolster messed up.

Vote: Lowell

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I asked Foolster to make sure whether or not I would stay scum, and he definitely said that I would.

We also discussed publicly that I was NOT confirmed protown, Zeek. Foolster said that he randomly assigned the scum from ALL players.

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I got this pm when I asked whether or not I was still scum after the reshuffle:

Yes. You are not working with the town.

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the pm I sent asked if I was still scum, though. Therefore, "Yes" wouldn't make sense.

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...but I wasn't.

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So I win, right? Cuz everything I said about Flameaxe, JDodge, and TVZ being possible scum was absolute bullshit. If I was town I woulda lynched the non-contributing lurkers who were posting enough to keep from getting replaced.

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Lowell was, though.