Mafia 70: Traditional - Game over!

[Lemming1607]

VOTE: Simenon

sup

[Lemming1607]

hooray! a bandwagon!

[Lemming1607]

yay! joke bandwagon still around! hooray!

lets see what happens when hmrox gets 6

UNVOTE
VOTE: hmrox

Wooooo awessome

[Lemming1607]

yay! joke bandwagon still around! hooray!

lets see what happens when hmrox gets 6

UNVOTE
VOTE: hmrox

Wooooo awessome

Hey how come you decided to vote hmrox instead of Flameaxe?

Question is, why are we doing pointless joke bandwagons in the first place

UNVOTE

[Lemming1607]

ah I must be in bizarro mafia. I didn't think it was scummy to unvote a jokebandwagon, and if we're going to vote people for joke bandwagons pretty much half the game is now scum

[Lemming1607]

I was making fun of you for very bad reasoning. Why single me out?

[Lemming1607]

I like how everyone is clear from joke bandwagon voting, but when I do its scummy. And then when I defend myself by pointing this out it's scummy. gg guys.

[Lemming1607]

Also you claming that you think joke band wagons seems a little scummy to me especiall after the way you voted me.

I'm not sure what you're saying here, but if you are saying that I think it's scummy to joke bandwagon someone then you are twisting my words and practically lying. I never said any such thing

[Lemming1607]

I looked back, and only two of the 6 people who voted for hmrox gave actual reasons...one of them didn't say what those were, just said reasons. You gave a good reason.

So please explain why I am being singled out, out of the 4 who joke voted, as the one that is scummy. I even explained that I thought the whole thing was silly, and when it was obvious the joke vote stage was ending I unvoted.

[Lemming1607]

I find it

scummy

to jump, based on 'joke/random' reasoning, onto a bandwagon that already had people on it for actual reasons.

sounds like an accusation to me...although you may not be voting me

[Lemming1607]

case against zoneace: Trys to spread confusion on the mason issue by giving us the possibility of them both being scum and a scum ploy...possible but seriously unlikely. There was absolutely no reason for Niv to come out like he did unless he's telling the truth.

Immediately OMGUS' Sim for not believing him when he says he was on his side. Why would you want to buddy up with him?

Goes incredibly emo and roleclaims with like 3 votes on him, after we need something like 13 to vote. Sounds like a scum ploy to get suspicion off of him

VOTE: ZONEACE

[Lemming1607]

also very "convenient" that he isn't going to answer any more arguments against him

[Lemming1607]

Yes, it's you. If you're innocent, then our logic wouldn't make sense, and if it's illogical you would be able to poke holes in it. Maybe you should, you know, try defending yourself?

[Lemming1607]

being sarcastic and hostile is just digging your own grave. Clear your head and look at what you did and why people find it scummy, then defend yourself. Assume that we don't know your role, and start from there.

[Lemming1607]

I'm apathetic at this point, I'm just waiting for you all to lynch me so the town can realize it screwed up and finally get its head out of its collective rear-end and realize the mafia instigated and pushed this lynch with no logic.

if our logic is so bad, why don't you poke holes into it? I think you're just trying to make a proof by assertion that we don't have anything on you

[Lemming1607]

hi all checking in. My feelings about zoneace hasn't changed. He has yet to defend himself and I'll be damned if he thinks he can go through the game without defending himself and think we'll just let him off the hook.

As for Simenon, it sounds like to me it's just miscommunication. Simenon thought it was a good idea to not talk to the masons because they might be infiltrated. I disagree. There is the possibility of outing the scum through pms and someone not playing along could be seen as scummy. I do believe Niv messed up with the not sending pms, so hopefully this is all corrected in the next night.

I still see zoneace as the scummiest with him appealing to emotion after like 2 votes or so, and how he refuses to defend himself and FoS's anyone that votes him. Just sounds like caught scum to me.

[Lemming1607]

even i am now starting to think that it's a misunderstanding. i think now that hte best place to look is Zone.

Unvote, Vote Zone

.

wrong wrong wrong wrong WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

Wow what a compelling argument. I seriously have seen the errors of my ways and see you as completely not scum now

[Lemming1607]

lol at patrick.

"Hey guys people were voting for me so I asked for a replacement and am not going to argue any points made against me....oh but hey I'm still in the game and am apparently paying attention"

who am i

[Lemming1607]

You're a silly person who didn't really contribute to the case, but act like you know alot about it because there's alot of people who are!

So, Lemming, what is the case on Zoneace? What do you think is the most suspicious thing he has done? Why do you think he should be lynched? Is there any possibility he is town?

case against zoneace: Trys to spread confusion on the mason issue by giving us the possibility of them both being scum and a scum ploy...possible but seriously unlikely. There was absolutely no reason for Niv to come out like he did unless he's telling the truth.

Immediately OMGUS' Sim for not believing him when he says he was on his side. Why would you want to buddy up with him?

Goes incredibly emo and roleclaims with like 3 votes on him, after we need something like 13 to vote. Sounds like a scum ploy to get suspicion off of him

VOTE: ZONEACE

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Also add in the fact that he refuses to acknowledge that people are bandwagoning him for legitimate reasons, threatens to ask for a replacement yet is still in the game, and everytime someone votes for him immediately attacks them with no reasoning

[Lemming1607]

i never said anything about replacements, I won't be replaced, if you want rid of me so badly lemming, then lynch me, but i suspect people are wising to your obvious mafianess, so good luck with that.

Im ndone playing, i won't be answering anymore questions. Its clear no matter what I say you all are gonna lynch me with your ZERO LOGIC so why try? This 5 person mason claim could EASILY be the mafia's way to safe claim, or it could really be there, I don't know and I don't care. So getting the others to confirm you won't do anything to sway me. Not to mention it would be a TERRIBLE idea if in infact you aren't mafia. The town having more people reveal themselves on day one is stupid, but since I've recieved votes for god only knows what reason, I don't expect to town to do the smart thing.

Sorry I guess I construed that as you saying you'd replace.

As for Niv, I think he thought he found scum. So makes sense to me. I think Sim and Niv are both town at this point. Sim made a mistake by not talking, he's wrong in that fact, but it doesn't make him scum. Niv made a mistake in not sending the pms

[Lemming1607]

So Lemming...you point out his roleclaim with 3 votes on him. What about the other claim in this game (Niv) with nothing but a random vote on him? Did you really find that it was necessary at all?

he wasn't roleclaiming because he thought he was going to be lynched. Why are you trying to distort the situation?

[Lemming1607]

Not feeling the wagon on Flare, he seems to be promoting discussion well, asking questions what not.

The mason issue is really confusing me aswell, can't make heads or tails of it.

at this point it just looks to me like two town masons arguing. I think they both made mistakes, but I haven't seen any "scum slips"

[Lemming1607]

oh rly no ur scum cause i said so

[Lemming1607]

1) Just because he acts this way in another game doesn't give him the right to act like this in this game.

2) He is exhibiting an amazing amount of scumtells. Are we going to just let players continue to exhibit them all game just because they were town and did it in another game?

3) He refuses to address the accusations against him. We're going to lynch him eventually. I think he's scum, but I'm trying to persuade the "he's probably town"

4) Jester's are an exception to the rule and one shouldn't go about thinking about Jester's all day when lynching someone giving off massive Scum tells. He's a horrible player and needs to learn

[Lemming1607]

zoneace, just because you say its true doesn't make it so.

Proof by assertion is a logical fallacy

[Lemming1607]

I like how the two scummiest people I've seen in the game are defending each other.

I still believe that ZONEACE is scum, but MOS is getting up there as well. My vote stays on ZONEACE because he's an idiot on top of him being scummy.

I will megapost MOS later though to show you why I think he's scummy.

[Lemming1607]

There really is no reason to talk about other people's past games. It's WIFOM. He could be scum knowing that he's acted like this in past games using it to make people think he's town. Although I don't think he's smart enough for that.

He's made scum tell after scum tell this game. Why are we letting it slide?

Sorry I've been away, I work two jobs. I will explain my reasoning for thinking that MoS is scummy now

[Lemming1607]

Erg0, are you saying that zoneace has not made scumtells?

Are you saying that scum would never be so blatantly scummy?

[Lemming1607]

Where did I say I mentioned a reason not to lynch ZONEACE? You can't say it's not true, because what I said was that I stated ZONEACE shouldn't be lynched, and you are agreeing with me while saying that I lied at the same time.

Complete true, does not give any reason for telling us to not lynch MoS, in fact, he came out and straight up said:

Zoneace is not scum.

The closest he gave was metagaming reasons, which as I've said, are completely WIFOM. He could act like this as scum because he knows people will think he's town.

Erg0 brought up the point that scum would not be so blatantly obvious. Also WIFOM. If they thought the town would think they were town because they acted so blatantly scummy, of course they would. Also talking about what scum would do or would not do is WIFOM.

I didn't think that ZONEACE's wagon would get to the point where I felt I needed to supply a reason. I was giving people a chance to look into him on their own, which they didn't.

When are started reading comments like this, I started thinking they were masons. But guess what? ZONEACE claimed vanilla. So they're not masons.

You could also say that masons were just trying to hide themselves by claiming vanilla. I claim lynch all liars. If they are masons together that was a really bad way of going about it. It's much easier to have zoneace claim mason, and if he's lying masons would come forward, and if not then he's telling the truth.

I think it's safe to assume there are some masons in the game.

I believe that ZONEACE and MoS are aligned somehow, and they're lying about it, especially with ZONEACE claiming vanilla. I think they are scum.

[Lemming1607]

zoneace I'm not going to be responding to anything you say because I think all your accusations are baseless and stupid and there's no reason to, and if you continue to pursue me I will make a post that looks like I said I was replacing but never actually stop acting like I do and then completely backpedal on saying anything remotely close to replacing

[Lemming1607]

no u

[Lemming1607]

anyone else laugh everytime ZONEACE threatens to vote anyone that attacks him.

He's so cute guys we should totally keep him around and is not scum at all

[Lemming1607]

exactly, it's WIFOM. So we shouldn't be asking WIFOM questions now, should we

[Lemming1607]

zoneace you just got burned so hard how does it feel? do you rubs the lotion on the skin?

How does it feel to have a mind blowing case and all you have to say to it is "NO YOUR STUPID"

I'm done arguing with a two year old. I will not be removing my vote until someone roleclaims scum

[Lemming1607]

ZONEACE is claiming I'm lying, when I showed proof where he said those things. Can we lynch the liar?

[Lemming1607]

go ahead...show me where I lied. But I don't think you will because you haven't defended yourself this entire game with anything more than "no ur stupid"

except maybe one paragraph in a huge megapost, but it really did just boil down to "no ur stupid"

[Lemming1607]

WIFOM, by its nature, invalidates

both

sides of an argument. If you accept that he must be acting scummy on purpose then you can't draw any conclusions from that because he could do it as either town or scum.

I'm not saying he's acting scummy on purpose. You're putting words in my mouth. I'm saying he's making scumtells after scumtells, either purposelessly or not, and I think he's scum based off that. You're the one who said he can't be scum because someone who is scum wouldn't act so scummy. I'm just showing you how your argument is WIFOM

[Lemming1607]

listen, if it obvious from the acts of these two who the scum are then the town is beyond help.

the two of them keep trying to distract the town with shit that's already come and gone. this whole incident with me is OVER and has been, but they won't let it die. everytime they bring it up it just serves to reinforce their obvious anti-town behavior

Your defense of yourself is metagaming, which is WIFOM. I don't believe in that. Sorry to disappoint you. And I'm going to keep pushing for your lynch because of you being scummy, and the scummiest person in the game so far.

[Lemming1607]

you megaposted yourself ahahahahaha.

It's not your place to tell us your actions and if they're scummy or not. It's ours

[Lemming1607]

If I'm not mistaken megaposting yourself and telling us, the town, why you did things using metgaming reasons certainly is WIFOM

[Lemming1607]

your question is WIFOM. He could or could not be intentionally giving off scumtells. I have no way of knowing that. I'm basing my argument off his scumtells, and not his reasoning for giving off scumtells. I don't care why he is giving off scumtells

[Lemming1607]

if he's an experienced player why would he be giving off scumtells. Contradiction. As well as saying he's not stupid. Contradiction there

[Lemming1607]

Also, before you tell me he's an experienced player, just because he's played in alot of games doesn't mean he's experienced. He obviously hasn't learned anything

[Lemming1607]

I like how I'm distracting the town but you've been posting just as much as I have the past 2 pages. Hypocritical much?

[Lemming1607]

I give up on this. You've gone from calling WIFOM to completely ignoring the point of my questions, so you're obviously at the cognitive dissonance stage already.

When you come down, just look for someone useful to vote.

but your point is WIFOM. That's why I'm not going to play your game

[Lemming1607]

:iceburn:

[Lemming1607]

Aimee: lurking most of the game, huge megapost, but needs to post more. Leaning town
TS: weird vibes. I need to look at his posts more. Neutral
Fonz: I don't know why but I get scummy vibes off him. Need to look into it more.
Ether: I didn't even know Ether was playing

[Lemming1607]

Fonz: I don't know why but I get scummy vibes off him. Need to look into it more.

FFS, I swear if one more person, in one more game, declares that they get a 'scummy vibe' off me, without having a clue why, I'm going to kill someone.

sorry it's just the truth I'll look at what set it off eventually.

But yeah guys zoneace is still looking pretty good to me

[Lemming1607]

oh goodie, another turnip for the vegetable garden.

I would like to point out that even after the mod warned again, ZONEACE is still trolling.

I have a problem with how Zoneace plays. It's distracting, it's stupid, and it serves no purpose. OMGUS voting, flaming/trolling every person that disagrees with him, and sticking up for anyone on his side is not how town should act. That's why I think he's scum.

At this point though, I have read Yama's posts, and he has not contributed AT ALL. At least zoneace has done something. And then Yama votes for himself, and says he won't defend his actions.

So yeah

UNVOTE VOTE Yama

I still think ZONEACE is scummy, and needs to stop trolling everyone. At least I only trolled ZONEACE.

[Lemming1607]

I also find it odd that MoS thinks its ok to replace me, but not ZONEACE. ZONEACE has done much much more trolling than I have, and I admit to trolling Zoneace.

I find it funny because I FoS'd MoS and ZONEACE as being scum buddies which started the flame fest a few pages back

[Lemming1607]

unvote, vote booboodafool

Celtic doesn't do anything, and then booboo immediately shows up with a 'person C' vote.

wait what? im confused. What's this about

[Lemming1607]

I already explained this. ZONEACE was

playing the game

. Whether or not you agree with how he plays, his comments were still relevant to the game. I think he got the point across quite well, even if it got on people's nerves. You, on the other hand, were flaming him out of your own immaturity, just because you thought it was funny. That is not acceptable behavior by any standard.

I disagree, I see his play as immature. Especially after he continues to troll after being warned

Interesting... maybe a Unvote, Vote Lemming1607 will lead you to pay a bit more attention to the game and not take the "jokes" of other players so seriously...

Am I ever going to be able to vote someone without them OMGUS'ing me?

[Lemming1607]

Am I ever going to be able to vote someone without them OMGUS'ing me?

Perhaps if your votes are valid, with proper analytical backing, instead of false interpretations of other people's statments...

That being said - it's quite a bit of a strech to call my vote a simple OMGUS.

But your vote was completely confusing. I had no clue what you were talking about. Everything you have said for the past 6 pages or so looked to me like you were putting as little effort into the game as possible, plus you had the emotional appeal of "oh hey guys I'm sorry I've been acting scummy vote me if you want I understand but I'm town" and then you said you wouldn't defend yourself past that.

Then you come out and vote for me when I put my vote on you based on that, and I thought you voted yourself. I have to look back, and it's possible I may have been wrong, but the main reason I'm voting for you is I think you're trying to skate through the game with as little effort as possible.

You seriously need to explain your actions alot better when you do things because it's very confusing, and confusing the town isn't a good thing

[Lemming1607]

The reason for Person C being a scumtell has been outlined numerous times now. When it first came up I was confused as well. I didn't know there was a name for it.

But he's right. It is something to be looked at, and booboo needs to explain his reasoning for voting like so, even if the damage is already done.

I do find it a little suspicious that Erg0 comes in to defend booboo

[Lemming1607]

sorry for not contributing much, personal life has interfered. I work two jobs and quit one of them for stress reasons. Will try to take a heavy look at the thread before the weekend

[Lemming1607]

UNVOTE: Yama

Sorry for being away but life sucks. I pretty much need to reread the past 12 pages, so will be unvoting while I do that. Last I remember I was going to unvote Yama anyways.

[Lemming1607]

Interesting how some people started to vote for me because I wanted White to claim, and now I am forced to claim, which is not good. Interesting how the White wagon stalled, and my wagon took off like a rocket.

I don't know what I did wrong, but I apologize, whatever I did, I let the town down pretty bad, I have to be out Day 1.

Sadly, I'm a cop.

welp. I thought about it, and I'm not going to wait it out. I'm the cop.

I played aggressively today trying to hit the WIFOM sweet spot so that I don't get night killed and don't get lynched.

TS is scum.

VOTE: Toaster Strudel

I'm glad I didn't have to reread

There was no night 0 investigation, so I have not investigated yet

I did not get any special flavor for my role, just told I was a cop.

[Lemming1607]

Ok, I believe that claim but I don't like it. Lemming, had you considered the possibility that there's more than one cop, perhaps with varying sanities? I'm pretty sure someone already raised this earlier...

My flavor indicated nothing of the kind. And honestly it's not THAT big of a game.

If a third cop claims though I'd be willing to unvote him

[Lemming1607]

In a big game like this, where multiple cops are often encountered, a player is better off discretely

investigating

a cop claimant the next night, rather than outing himself with a counterclaim during the day.

Especially on Day 1 - it's bad enough I made myself a target by playing badly, now you've made yourself a target too, and neither of us has had the opportunity to investigate anyone.

yeah but I think you're just scum claiming to out the cop. I don't think we're both cops.

[Lemming1607]

What's more likely...a crazy dethy setup for this game or a scum getting bandwagoned day 1 claiming cop to out the real cop

[Lemming1607]

For people saying it was a bad idea to counter claim.

I'm not new to mafia. It's traditional in almost every single game I've ever played to have only 1 cop in the game, with possibly a backup. The way my PM was worded, if there's another cop, he had to have gotten the same PM that I got.

Now, people started saying there was the possibility of multiple cops early in the game.

HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY KNOW THIS

The cops don't talk to each other, and I think its retarded to come into a game thinking there's more than one cop. That is just stupid playing to me.

Dethy setups, or multiple cops with varying sanities is like the Jester role to me. You don't go into a game assuming it, you play thinking there's one cop until you're proven otherwise.

I think TS is lying about his role, and I feel really uneasy that people SETUP the idea of multiple cops into the town's head.

I think scum put the thought of multiple cops into the town's head, allowing the scum to roleclaim cop to not get outted, and people will be like "oh sure might be multiple cops"



As for my early roleclaim...if I had waited to counter claim, what are the chances of me being believed? If there was a cop day 1 claiming, and I saw someone else counter claim cop 3 or 4 days later, I'd call bullshit immediately. So I'm doing it now for the believability factor, and I'm pretty damn sure he's lying.

I'm pretty sure scum are trying to make the town believe the possibility of multiple cops, and I say that's bullshit because you don't go into ANY game thinking there will be multiple cops, especially with the role flavor I got.

It's either I'm the only cop or it's dethy with the PM I got

[Lemming1607]

WTF!? How could I possibly be inferring that I was cop? I

never

lay cop breadcrumbs down. Hell, 90% of the time I don't even know when I'm the cop! I made those comments because I wanted to avoid the situation we got into anyways. Some idiot cop thinks that he is so important he has to be the only cop in the entire game, so he counterclaims the other cop and gives the doctor two targets that they have to protect tonight, giving the mafia a statistically better chance of finding scum. What was so hard about that? I can't help people being stupid, but I

can

try to take preventative measures against it. I don't know how you came up with the conclusion you're accusing me of, but it's a bunch of BS.

Why do are you 100% positive there is more than 1 cop in the game. There is no way to be certain of it, unless you and your scum buddies are trying to set up this multiple cop theory in the town's mind.

Please look at the semantics MoS is using. He's not giving even the possibility that there is only one cop in the game.

Most of this post strikes me wrong, and I'm thinking that you're claiming cop just to survive a couple extra days. So

IGMEOY: TS

However, even a counterclaim won't prove TS scum, since we could have multiple cops. I'm willing to give TS a chance for now, but we need to watch her like a hawk. She'll slip eventually if she's scum.

Also notice that she *still* hasn't answered many of the accusations against her.

Unvote, Vote: Zorg

I find this post hilarious. "I really really think your scum, but we can't prove it, so I'm going to vote for someone else I find scummy."

You say that you don't believe him, but you're going to let him live? And then you immediately say there is no way that a cop counter claiming proves he's lying.

I don't buy it. I think MoS is covering up for his scum buddy. Everything fits

[Lemming1607]

and before you say that me counter claiming cop is not proof, I agree. YOU CAN NEVER BE 100% SURE OF SOMEONE BEING SCUM UNTIL THEY CARDFLIP. So saying stuff like "prove he's scum" is retarded, you can only go on suspicions. Even a cop investigation of scum isn't proof, and town as well with the different roles we have.

There is no way possible in this game to prove someone is scum/not scum until they cardflip, and your suspicions are the only thing you're going to be voting on

[Lemming1607]

Ok how about this:

We have two cop claims now. People are unvoting because they don't want to vote a claimed cop. If there are scum, they're just going to claim cop.

Therefore we have to vote people for scumminess, and not on claiming cop.

What is to stop scum from claiming cop the entire game? What "proof" are you guys looking for to lynch someone you find scummy?

If we're not going to believe cop claims then we must go on scumminess, and everyone was willing to lynch TS before he claimed. Now that there is a counterclaim, if you allow scum to get by on cop claims, what is it going to take to lynch scum?

Also I apologize for using Dethy. To me any game with more than one cop with varying sanities is dethy.

[Lemming1607]

also MoS needs to calm down he is using way too much ad hom in his arguments

[Lemming1607]

also MoS needs to calm down he is using way too much ad hom in his arguments

[Lemming1607]

I'm going to be messaging the mod that we forcibly remove MoS from the game his style of gameplay is completely getting out of hand and there's no reason for him to be getting all pissed off when he should step outside breath some air and realize I was using logic in my arguments.

You can agree or disagree with my arguments but its uncalled for to call someone stupid for it.

So I request everyone else please message the mod in suit and have MoS replaced

[Lemming1607]

You deserved that. I'm done with you. I don't plan on responding to you again. Imma let my homeboys finish you off. Peace out.

scum claim

[Lemming1607]

I'm voting for someone I'm convinced is scum. I'm not changing my vote unless there is reasonable doubt that he's not a cop, and I haven't seen any. In fact everything points to me thinking tinfoil thoughts that scum set up this whole multiple cops thing so that they could safely claim cop.

[Lemming1607]

I am pming the mod with a request that Lemming be forceably replaced out of this game. I suggest that you all follow suit. There is no point in playing with someone who insists on playing like a retard and flaming people repeatedly out of immaturity. At least ZONEACE is actually playing the game, even if it's in his style to use AdHom. Lemming is just being immature and annoying as hell. I don't want him in this game anymore.

The irony...

it's not ironic, I was making fun of you.

[Lemming1607]

Setael, most of your argument is based on the fact that TS is scum. When TS cardflips then we would lynch MoS with that reasoning.

[Lemming1607]

mafia edit: fact = assumption

[Lemming1607]

what the christ

[Lemming1607]

Unvote, vote: Zeppo

It's PERSON Q

personally i feel the whole person c is scummy thing to be crap

hahahahahah

[Lemming1607]

Since TS isn't getting much love, I'm going to vote for my next suspect, which is MOS. Zeppo already has enough to clear the deadline lynch, so I'm going to vote for who I feel is scummy.

UNVOTE VOTE Mastermind of SIN

[Lemming1607]

I'm here. Should I wait for Toaster to reveal my result or should I show my results first?

[Lemming1607]

Also for the record, that was the main reason I FoS'd MoS yesterday. The fact that he came out with the possibility of multiple cops so early is odd to me. Multiple cops in a game is pretty broken unless they have different sanities, making it a sort of mini dethy, or the scum has some crazy roles to balance.

Or maybe there's something in the game that heavily balances multiple cops.

Or occam's razor and Toaster is lying

[Lemming1607]

MULTIPLE COPS IS NOT BROKEN.


MULTIPLE COPS IN A GAME THIS SIZE IS COMMON.



This is something we need to understand and accept. That said.

vote lemming

you're still scum

I just said that since we don't know the setup we can't assume it's broken. Why are you intentionally misreading what I said

[Lemming1607]

I'm going to explain this again I guess.

I think multiple sane cops in a game gives the town a HUGE advantage, and to me unless there is something to balance is broken.

I don't care if that's the norm here. I think it's broken.

I don't care if you don't agree with me. I think it's broken.

I'm not going to discuss this again. It's been beaten to death and my opinion on multiple cops will not change, ever.

[Lemming1607]

what am I misreading?

You're right, you didn't. I misread. Its early and about to go to work. Read post above that explains.

[Lemming1607]

why are you so worried about the town having an advantage UNLESS AN TOWN ADVANTAGE PUTS YOU IN DANGER




listen you are so obviously scum its sad, you keep trying to distract the town with the stink you're raising about the cops, hoping we all won't see just how truly scummy you are. Can we please just kill this guy?

You have got to be the shittiest troll I've ever seen

[Lemming1607]

I investigated Toaster. I got innocent.

Isn't that a pickle.

[Lemming1607]

Lemming... why

are

you not claiming your results?

because I asked before I claimed and people said Toaster should go first so I decided to wait till toaster claimed.

[Lemming1607]

I have a guilty, so I think I should go last. It's going to rush the day, and reduce the amount of information we gather from it.

With two cops (and maybe more), I think it's imperative that we be cautious and sort out special mechanics/sanities before acting out. Since the result was "guilty" - the scum might jump on it. This, regardless or Lemming's credibility, or mine, I think that it would be best if I were to go second.

Did anyone else notice these two posts completely contradict each other?

The first one implies that the town would lynch TS' guilty result, and the second is urging us not to.

[Lemming1607]

I have a guilty, so I think I should go last. It's going to rush the day, and reduce the amount of information we gather from it.

With two cops (and maybe more), I think it's imperative that we be cautious and sort out special mechanics/sanities before acting out. Since the result was "guilty" - the scum might jump on it. This, regardless or Lemming's credibility, or mine, I think that it would be best if I were to go second.

Did anyone else notice these two post's tone contradict each other?

The first one says the day will be short, implying for us to lynch the guilty result, and the second is urging us not to.

I messed up the meaning of what I meant. It was tone not what he said. Edit by way of post

[Lemming1607]

Sir Tornado picked up on what I was talking about.

Also I didn't want to reveal that I got Toaster was innocent unless I had to. There's just this thing in the back of my mind that he might still be scum and we were about to lynch the godfather on day 1. I figured if I didn't give my results I might live a little bit longer to get more results.

Or he could be telling the truth and is also a cop.

[Lemming1607]

Yeah, I thought that was weird too. Explain, Lemming?

Well, since I didn't want to unvote Toaster all day yesterday after he claimed, and only did at the last minute in the hopes of someone I found scummy would be lynched, and then didn't IMMEDIATELY vote Toaster today should be some kind of indication that I got an innocent result on toaster, who I found way more controversial than MoS.

So now I'm talking about MoS being scummy...how is that contradicting?

[Lemming1607]

oh hello twilight.

lol at Toaster.

Also Zoneace, why would an insane cop be useless...if I get a guilty result that means the person is innocent you retard. It's not like it's naive.

[Lemming1607]

I have monday-wednesday off from work so I will be doing a complete reread and actually start to actually be able to contribute to the game for once, now that Toaster has flipped scum.

Hooray I knew it all along

[Lemming1607]

Also one last thought. I think Toaster's claim that this was all according to plan is BS. I'm pretty sure the scum knew I was going to investigate toaster, get an innocent result, and then use that to try and get me lynched.

Which was why I was hesitant in giving out the result, because they wanted to "clear" toaster.

Fonz pretty much threw a wrench in that plan, so toaster decided to post about the most WIFOM post possible, besides actually naming all her scum buddies.

[Lemming1607]

I believe I was roleblocked. My flavor was basically "investigation failed" and no other flavor.

[Lemming1607]

I would like you to personally explain WHAT is scummy about him directing the play of those with night actions. Please provide examples and charts with your presentation (ok maybe not charts, but examples for sure). Be thorough and logical as well.

Are you kidding me.

You have been protecting zoneace all game, jumping to his defense at every chance, and now this? This has gotta be the worse defense ever.

How about this, you provide us with how it's a good thing, with charts and presentations, of why it's ok to direct power roles.

Until then,

VOTE: Mastermind of Sin

[Lemming1607]

hi guys I'm here. I'm going to be leaving my job sunday, and will be able to spend more time. I need to catch up first with the days events and will weigh in at that time.

Still alive