In post 2249, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Just read up from yesterday and.. I wanna interact with someone.
Grapes, you're so sure of your Skybird read, and you told me not to be the vote police, but maybe you could just.. tell us where you're going with the Skybird vote? Is it a wagon or not? Is a it a super secret gambit? You can just say that you're trying to get Skybird lynched, I don't know why you got all defensive when I asked about it.
In post 2244, Reasonably Rational wrote:In post 2227, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:For the last time, my role isn't a vannilalizer. It only removes x shot abilities. After tonight it will most likely be powerless.
This is disingenuous.
1) Assumes people have roles with shots they're going to want to use quickly.
2) Assumes peoples shots aren't going to regenerate, even though the setup clearly indicated some do.
3) Insinuates that you can only do this once, even though it's entirely possible your shots recharge like others do.
Why did you clarify that your ability only removes limited shots?
Finally, why are you working to make yourself appear non-threatening? Scum will determine your threat level independently of any assertions you make here, by deciding how likely they think it is you'll invade a neighborhood they're part of AND think they're scum AND be willing to say fuck you to the other person in there. It seems like the only people you'd want to appear non threatening to are town...and that makes me feel uncertain in my town read on you.
In post 2254, Reasonably Rational wrote:
There's no gain for scum i can see from the way bins entered the pt, and then the way the situation was handled from that point forward.
Why expose the existence of a secondary power to *3* other players? What does the slot get out of it, other than a boatload of attention? Then, when Constantine came in, again, why threaten us. I really don't see how anything in that sequence of events notably benefits scum, in a way that outweigh the risk of just getting outright lynched. They saw the day before that just a single person pressuring and harping on about scummy behavior in a PT got someone lynched. What they did was the exact same, except to 3 slots, not just one.
In addition...knowing that tunnel wasn't on your team, and had announced the ability to gather up 5 total people in one giant alliance in one night...why wouldn't you just take the opportunity to join the group *that* night, if you were willing to sacrifice the slot(which is the only thing those threats they made seemed likely to accomplish), and make sure none of your teammates are in there(or maybe *one* teammate is in there, who wouldn't lose anything from your power), and blow up all of them? Assuming bins/saint is scum, and actually has the power stated, why would they use it so poorly?
The only marginal evidence i can see for the chance of that slot being scum, is if that power actually didn't exist, and they were making a gambit to rolefish people...but with the environment in our pt, if they had just managed to win our confidence, it's very likely we were have all been working together with few reservations, if not for the hostility displayed by that slot. And even if it was a gambit...again, the potential gains aren't worth losing a member over. So, again, it just doesn't make much sense for scum to play it at all that way.
Now, as to why that post makes me question him(even a tiny bit(which is about how much it's making me question him)), is thatI feel like the post is designed to, as I said, minimize his threat.It sounds like it could be meant to make town think "Oh. That's not as bad as I thought it was. We don't need to PL this slot because it's too dangerous if he gets it wrong," while simultaneously explaining why scum wouldn't shoot him...because, again, it's not *that* threatening. It feels very self serving, in the guise of giving out extra information.
Reasonably Rational wrote:
pedit: I think I need to look at the circumstances, because I was really more focused on the interaction between grapes and skybird, but I'd be willing to nakedly vote niccage myself if I were to iso him and find out that the accusations people are making towards him seem reasonable. I mean, would it have been better if he just went and quotes the post where someone else made a case against niccage, and then voted? that's basically what he's done, except he waited for you to ask him before he specified the reason why he voted.
In post 2256, MaxwellPuckett wrote:In post 2254, Reasonably Rational wrote:
There's no gain for scum i can see from the way bins entered the pt, and then the way the situation was handled from that point forward.
Why expose the existence of a secondary power to *3* other players? What does the slot get out of it, other than a boatload of attention? Then, when Constantine came in, again, why threaten us. I really don't see how anything in that sequence of events notably benefits scum, in a way that outweigh the risk of just getting outright lynched. They saw the day before that just a single person pressuring and harping on about scummy behavior in a PT got someone lynched. What they did was the exact same, except to 3 slots, not just one.
In addition...knowing that tunnel wasn't on your team, and had announced the ability to gather up 5 total people in one giant alliance in one night...why wouldn't you just take the opportunity to join the group *that* night, if you were willing to sacrifice the slot(which is the only thing those threats they made seemed likely to accomplish), and make sure none of your teammates are in there(or maybe *one* teammate is in there, who wouldn't lose anything from your power), and blow up all of them? Assuming bins/saint is scum, and actually has the power stated, why would they use it so poorly?
The only marginal evidence i can see for the chance of that slot being scum, is if that power actually didn't exist, and they were making a gambit to rolefish people...but with the environment in our pt, if they had just managed to win our confidence, it's very likely we were have all been working together with few reservations, if not for the hostility displayed by that slot. And even if it was a gambit...again, the potential gains aren't worth losing a member over. So, again, it just doesn't make much sense for scum to play it at all that way.
Now, as to why that post makes me question him(even a tiny bit(which is about how much it's making me question him)), is thatI feel like the post is designed to, as I said, minimize his threat.It sounds like it could be meant to make town think "Oh. That's not as bad as I thought it was. We don't need to PL this slot because it's too dangerous if he gets it wrong," while simultaneously explaining why scum wouldn't shoot him...because, again, it's not *that* threatening. It feels very self serving, in the guise of giving out extra information.
You say that the only way he could be scum in your eyes is if the power was a gambit... but you think that's unlikely, as you've explained. However, it's 'the chance of that slot being scum', so..
If you believe that the post is designed to make Constantine look less threatening, why make that original fake role-destruction gambit at all?
The only thing I could think of for your narrative is that town Constantine made a mistake, and is now backpedaling and trying to make himself look less threatening than he originally presented himself to be. That seems kind of silly, because Constantine's whole original plan was to protect himself by threatening to blow up everybody.
I'm seeing it as scum trying to stay alive in what they thought was a hostile environment (your PT), and then changing tactics once the conversation was brought to the thread (undoing the threat of blowing up a portion of someone's role).
Reasonably Rational wrote:
pedit: I think I need to look at the circumstances, because I was really more focused on the interaction between grapes and skybird, but I'd be willing to nakedly vote niccage myself if I were to iso him and find out that the accusations people are making towards him seem reasonable. I mean, would it have been better if he just went and quotes the post where someone else made a case against niccage, and then voted? that's basically what he's done, except he waited for you to ask him before he specified the reason why he voted.
Farside did the same thing with the Replace In vote. Is that situation different to you?
Fuzzy: Constantine's too busy with trying not to die to be worried about making cases.
Fuzzy, what do you think about everyone's accusations/complaints against you, saying that you're just looking at the surface of events as they happen, and not thinking too deeply about, well, anything. Does it make you want to change your play? Are you alright with how you've been playing? I mean, you've already said a lynch against you was justified.
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