SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[ZeL1nK2]

How many town left? How many scum left?

It's probably (effectively*) 13:3 right now.

19:5:1 or somewhere close to that seems about right for this setup.

3 group scum is about as much as there's gonna be left. Any other scum is probably third party.

* Effectively because I'm just lumping potential third parties in as anti-scum.

[vezokpiraka]

TSO is a good vig shot because he's probably being lynched today.

Vig him now and we can sort out the lynch afterwards based on the flip.

If you vig TSO and he flips scum, it lets us decide the best lynch based on it. If he flips town, it forces a read reset for at least a fair few players (myself included) before deciding on a lynch.

If you vig, say, TWIE instead, then either he flips scum and yay or he flips town and we essentially gain nothing. At all. He's controversial in some sense and probably a tertiary scum read for some but he's not a huge suspicion for most players.

Can we shoot this? It's giving me scummy vibes and I don't like the way he's chaining mislynches.

[Metal Sonic]

vezok. 3 names.

[ZeL1nK2]

Are these scummy vibes the same ones that Anamikus and Heartless were giving off? Was Pumbaa giving off town vibes, in your opinion?

[Metal Sonic]

nice retort

[ZeL1nK2]

How do you even get "chaining mislynches" from that post? That is literally the opposite of what I was doing because I'm suggesting potential re-evaluation after flips.

[Skybird]

Metal, my three suggestions are Otolia, TSO, Espe.

[Magua]

Shooting TSO is counterproductive

Shooting TSO before Ollie confirms whether or not that works for getting vig shots is counterproductive.

[ZeL1nK2]

I assumed it triggered off any kill but yeah, I guess wait for confirmation then.

[vezokpiraka]

vezok. 3 names.

zelink, twie, ankamius.

[Magua]

zelink, twie, ankamius.

<_<
>_>

[TheWayItEnds]

Hey technically all he was asked for was 3 names.

[Ollie]

I think shooting TSO is bad cause we can just lynch him. Like, don't waste precious resources.

Yeah we lynch TSO, you shoot someone else. Plan.

[Ollie]

Shooting TSO is counterproductive

Shooting TSO before Ollie confirms whether or not that works for getting vig shots is counterproductive.

Shooting TSO is a bad idea

[Drixx]

Is there any town explanation whatsoever for what Ollie is posting today? Like ... any?

[Otolia]

Originally I would've agreed with you. However, the kills don't really make sense if you assume that the scum could bypass protective abilities.

Eg, if you assume Ollie is really someone who could vig every day and did shoot Andrius, why was his shot not redirected? Why was he not killed?

Why was Imperium killed last Night over me?

Why was Mask killed N2? He wasn't strongly townread, and the scum knew his exact role. My read here is that they didn't want any doc protects, which doesn't make sense if they had ways of subverting protects.

What if scum couldn't bypass protection (which would explain Mask's kill and the fact that you are alive) and the redirecting is from someone else ?

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So since Magua asked, I'm Odin the Allfather

• My ult
  Ring of Spears
  is the double-voting and resource harvester.
  
• I have an activable BP called
  Raven Shout
  for a day.
  
• I have a passive based on my ring of spears stack.

[Drixx]

Can you reflect a kill to someone like Skybird claimed?

[Magua]

Is there any town explanation whatsoever for what Ollie is posting today? Like ... any?

Ollie replaced FourTrouble.

FourTrouble, D2, after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, dayvigged Cephrir, who was regarded just prior to being shot as a bad shot, and FourTrouble was essentially told that he shouldn't do it.

Cephrir flipped scum, specifically, scum who could kill every other Night. The person the scum shot N2, Mask, was a person that Cephrir would've been able to kill for free had he been alive.

[Magua]

In comparison, Metal Sonic also dayvigged PeregrineV-scum D2, but the differences are that PeregrineV wasn't townread by people, was somewhat likely to be lynched regardless, and that PeregrineV's role wasn't super critical to the scum.

FourTrouble shooting Cephrir was really going against the grain of thought, and Cephrir's role does seem important to the scum.

I would believe Metal Sonic's shot was a bus long, long, long, looooooong before I would believe FourTrouble's shot was.

[Drixx]

So if he wants a vig shot, why not just say so? If he has some confirmation that TSO is scum, that might explain some things and make things click into place.

[Magua]

He does want a vig shot, he doesn't have any confirmation that TSO is scum, he's just not saying so because....well, for no good reason, really, because we're well past any point of the game where it would be at all useful to lie about these things, so I'm just going to go with "the lulz".

[Magua]

I am excited for mnemonic and wish him luck in his quest to not post for two weeks.

If something untoward should befall him, I am certain that Espeonage will be able to pick up the slack.

[Metal Sonic]

In comparison, Metal Sonic also dayvigged PeregrineV-scum D2, but the differences are that PeregrineV wasn't townread by people, was somewhat likely to be lynched regardless, and that PeregrineV's role wasn't super critical to the scum.

FourTrouble shooting Cephrir was really going against the grain of thought, and Cephrir's role does seem important to the scum.

I would believe Metal Sonic's shot was a bus long, long, long, looooooong before I would believe FourTrouble's shot was.

Except that, genius, peregrineV never got to use his overpowered as fuck ulti before he died

[Magua]

1) He had the chance to use it N1, didn't

2) Silencing a person for a day is nothing compared to being able to rolecop every odd Night and kill every even Night

3) Given the posting of some people, it'd be hard to tell the difference regardless

[Otolia]

Can you reflect a kill to someone like Skybird claimed?

No.