SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[ZeL1nK2]

You've been doing fantastically well so far, my man. How many mislynches do you think you can rack up?

My count is zero at the moment, so I mean... I'm probably going to end up with less than anyone else?

[TheWayItEnds]

I mean, worst case scenario that comes about as a result of your lynch - if you're town, TWIE is a high priority on the vig list.

Huh.

Well thats an interesting viewpoint.

[ZeL1nK2]

I think I've stated for days now I have no issue with you being vig-killed but that's less of an alignment thing and more of an "I don't want to have to deal with you or people talking about how you could be scum or stuff like that" thing.

Though if TSO is scum, I'd rather an Otolia vig or something.

[TheWayItEnds]

Oh ok, then that makes sense.

Like I was thinking I was already gonna be high on the list because people are going to keep shouting about how antagonistic im being, but I was looking forward to a conversation why I should be vigged for in game reasons.

[ZeL1nK2]

I see vig as a role that

should

be used mostly to get rid of players who are just... there. The ones who aren't doing enough to actually matter and who wouldn't be missed if gone, but are likely to end up a mislynch at some point if town and possibly coast until endgame as scum.

If Snowflake-senpai has a vig shot, I would like to see him shoot within the pool of {TSO, Otolia} with outside (worse, in my opinion, but only because I think they're less likely to be scum) possibilities of {you, Espy, Skybird}

I think a vig shot on the latter group is suboptimal, but it's better than alternatives outside he former group if, for whatever reason, the former group wasn't being shot.

[TheWayItEnds]

Skybird remains a bad vigshot for the same reasons she was before.

[ZeL1nK2]

Skybird being scum seems to be a point of contention among certain players. (Or seemed to be earlier in the day? I recall seeing a Skybird wagon but it's not there anymore)

If it wasn't already clear, I don't think Skybird is scum.

[TheWayItEnds]

Okay but shooting at her doesnt actually solve that.

[ZeL1nK2]

It does, though, since she's said she'll let a vig shot through.

[Magua]

No.

Shoot Skybird and, if she's town, she lets it through. If she's scum, she redirects to Imperium/me/mastin/Ollie.

So best case, you've shot town, and worst case, you've shot confirmed town. There is zero possibility of shooting scum. So Skybird is a bad shot.

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Zelink, you are free to push one of your preferred lynches. I would, in all honesty, *love* you to push one of your preferred lynches! Even if I think you're wrong! Because doing pretty much anything at all puts you above at least a third of the playerlist.

[Magua]

HEY TSO

YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE MORE USEFUL THAN WHINING THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LYNCH YOU?

ANYTHING AT ALL

VOTING SOMEONE AND TRYING TO GET THEM LYNCHED

THAT WOULD BE SUPERCOOL

[ZeL1nK2]

Zelink, you are free to push one of your preferred lynches.

Are you unclear on why I think TSO and Otolia are scum or something?

I'd be pushing it harder, but if Snowflake-senpai has a shot, he should probably be using it now before we decide on a lynch (and preferably on TSO)

[Magua]

I'm all about Otolia getting shot or lynched, tbqh. Much more than TSO.

[Magua]

Although before Otolia gets shot:

@Otolia:

Fullclaim please.

[Skybird]

@Skybird:

Your role seems an awful lot like Ankamius' role. Thoughts on this? Thoughts on the action that affected you last Night?

My role really isn't like Ank's role. I'm going to full claim here. I have three passive abilities I can utilize if someone targets me. I can redirect the action; I can avoid an action, but it increases the votes on me by 1; and I can avoid a kill action but be affected by everything else. My ultimate is being able to switch the votes on two players. If I target myself, it automatically triggers if I am lynched. I have not, nor will I target myself. To me, that would be a totally scummy thing to do. I wanted to use my ultimate back on day 2 to switch the votes on one of the gladiated players to someone outside of the three, but that was not allowed. Since then, I have not seen a place to use my ultimate.

I'm all good with getting lynched. I don't see how my ultimate is going to be of use to town at this stage and if I'm gone you can focus on who is really scum. I do think we should figure out who targeted me though.

This was kinda a weird post though.

Not really. I'm quite serious that I am very busy in real life for the next 5 weeks. I don't see a good way to utilize my ultimate. I don't have a good handle on who scum might be. I'm trying to show I am town but I guess I am doing it wrong because half the player list still thinks I'm scum. I believe town players shouldn't be afraid to be lynched. As long as town wins, I win too even if I am dead.

Something occurred to me as I was reading through the posts since I was last able to log on. During N4, I was wondering in the neighborhood PT why the different nightkills were made. I specifically stated by Mask and Andrius. (Someone mentioned in the posts that Mask wasn't being town read by everyone and that was part of why they were wondering about him getting shot which is what made me think of this.) Metal said it was because they copped Mask, found out he was a doctor, and he had to go. He stated this very factually. He didn't use any qualifiers in his statement. He didn't say they probably copped him, or they must of copped him. How does he know for sure that they copped him?

Back to reading the rest of the posts.

[ZeL1nK2]

It's like 99.99999% that Pumbaa used his ability on Mask N1.

Pumbaa heavily hinted at it at the start of D2 ("I know of three reasons a night kill could be prevented now" when only two had been claimed) and basically everything he said about Mask on D2 especially with regards to hints about his role.

I doubt Snowflake mentioning it means anything significant.

[Skybird]

OK. It wasn't so much Metal mentioning it as the way he mentioned it that bothered me. I didn't catch those Ceph references you mentioned.

[mastin2]

Mini-V/LA

for tomorrow.

Also,

Mod: V/LA from May 1st-May 3rd.

Going to the Pacific Northwest Teen Square Dance Festival.
(Did catch up, though. Not much to say--haven't put bees on, and am mainly waiting for a vig before I do.)

[Metal Sonic]

Hmm who is conftown and doesn't suck

Imperium replied
Ooba replied
FT's replacement I think has not

Who replaced my partner?

[Metal Sonic]

for some reason people actually think espeonage is scum

[Metal Sonic]

I think shooting TSO is bad cause we can just lynch him. Like, don't waste precious resources.

[Metal Sonic]

How many town left? How many scum left?

[ZeL1nK2]

I think shooting TSO is bad cause we can just lynch him. Like, don't waste precious resources.

Yeah because your vig shot is more "precious" than a lynch.

Durrrr.

[ZeL1nK2]

TSO is a good vig shot because he's probably being lynched today.

Vig him now and we can sort out the lynch afterwards based on the flip.

If you vig TSO and he flips scum, it lets us decide the best lynch based on it. If he flips town, it forces a read reset for at least a fair few players (myself included) before deciding on a lynch.

If you vig, say, TWIE instead, then either he flips scum and yay or he flips town and we essentially gain nothing. At all. He's controversial in some sense and probably a tertiary scum read for some but he's not a huge suspicion for most players.

[ZeL1nK2]

for some reason people actually think espeonage is scum

Part of why I'm currently thinking Espy could possibly be town is behind-the-scenes stuff.

Imperium had basically full-claimed in the neighborhood and I *think* Espy was aware of the roleblock-for-2-phases thing. Meaning if Espy's scum, they did not care that they're essentially gimped tonight. And Imperium's role isn't a threat, really. Like the kill-stop was already used and the day-block is potentially harmful but not really? I mean, it did somewhat hinder Pumbaa but that's it. As Magua has already pointed out, they weren't a huge consensus town read like others. I mean, the only legitimate reason I can think of for scum-team-with-Espy to kill Imperium is that Imperium's Espy read has atrophied, I guess? But even then, bigger fish to fry.

Also, I think Bitmap was pretty likely to be town. Espy has been mostly an inactive lump of null but eh. There are some things he's said here and there I didn't mind. It's just they're few and far between. And I doubt he's even still reading the thread.

He could also just be disinterested scum. Eh.