Finishing post and some talk about new stuff too:
@Young: I'm in this annoying place regarding West where I like stuff that he says, even when I don't completely agree with it, and where I make myself really suspicious about the little things I don't like (when I feel he is exaggerating his points) and really don't want to let go off those feelings. If you want something more tangible, "nullscum" I suppose, while not feeling like I can make a reasonable push yet.
In post 340, Lalendra wrote:Also the reason my reasoning for the Ari vote contains little of your argument is because I was given so much crap for agreeing with you and disliking the naked vote that I felt I should put together more solid points instead of going "yeah, what west said."
Poop =I... Hm... gonna try putting the mindset behind my original question into words: "I feel like Lal came in with a read similar to mine on Ari; I look at West's points and the idea of Ari being Ari still makes me doubt some of that. Lal doesn't seem to have those same doubts thou, so I wanna know more about her reads on Ari, which parts of what West said changed Lal's mind and what of her previous read of Ari still lingers, if anything", which is why I actually wanted to hear which parts were the "yeah, what West said" parts. Not mentioning how and where West swayed you makes it harder for me to understand the evolution of that read, additionally the way you put it makes me feel like you are retconning your first Ari-read here, specially because you mention some stuff that does align with West's reasoning, but your wording makes it seem to me as if it was all yours (like the first points there about how Ari's "we could both be scum" is weird)... but whatever. (Also, I assume that when Ari mentioned that a lynch could prove he is townie, he meant a lynch on him =P).
@Ginko: Acryon wagon is sexy and all, but I feel like you are being too dismissive of the Lalendra wagon. Some of that contrived reasoning and the reactionary not curious attitude (that aligns with meta) feels like more than just weirdness to me. Also: "Willingness to change reads is townie" Applies to Acryon: Yes, no? why?
I feel like farside is giving some of those towniepoints to Acryon for the wrong reasons. Some of those come down to making an effort and having stuff she agrees with =/ (I also feel it lacks paranoia about scum maybe genuinely scumhunting, but I guess that's just my personal view on the matter). Vyse's post about the farside read aren't bad except for still bringing up part iv) of that one Ginko post, which I'd say is outdated. I don't want to default to "lol newb mistakes" on everything Lal thou, I remember one time being too lenient with first time playing scum because of that kind of mentality and another trying to protect a scummate with that.
@Acryon: I sorta thought you'd see my confusion and help me understand your "scumslips" read on me that I don't get at all :C, so Imma just ask now: What do you mean with that, yo? And...
you just gave reasoning for a townVyse 0.0(?), but wasn't he on the scum side of your readslist? Also, yep, talk about West's placement too. Your initial townlean on him didn't seem strong (124) but that he is below people like Prawn or YYR (whose placement on the readslist seems to be just because nothings seems scummy to you of what little they've posted) still caught my attention.Some of the comments from Vyse in posts like 288 felt like genuine scum-hunting to me, even if they involved me
On another note, the apparent hypocrisy of Lal's suspicion on me isn't what bothered me there: (still @Acryon) Don't you think the context of those votes were different enough that the "contradiction" isn't as brash as you are making it out to be?
they figured out Ari and I are scum buddies 
, no but seriously if Ari was going for a reaction vote his vote could really only be on me since I was the latest person to vote for him and his reasoning was I jumped on a bandwagon. 
