SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

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/con to the firm firm

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All about that town bout that town bout that town, no scum

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I ain't reading any of this. I'll only read when game starts.

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I got a job offer recently so I'm pretty happy nowadays that I don't have to worry about anything after graduation.

Nah, we need votes on Ankamius. Even assuming 119 is okay (it's not), there's still been lots of stuff to talk about since the game "start," so the RVS vote, lack of scumhunting, and fluffy commentary is by far the worst, scummiest thing here.

So why don't you park your vote on me? I said the same thing about not reading any of the pre-game stuff, barely did any scum hunting, and post useless content.

Based on my neighborhood,

I think Solar Wind (ffery) is town and I have a null read on Imperium (Nacho). The reason I have really good town vibes is based on ffery is because how she pegged Rach to be town based pre-game stuff in the neighborhood. Null read on Imperium because I can't figure if him asking me a bunch of questions is being lazy scum or town.

I read the thread but I'm going to need another re-read to get coherent thoughts. I'll post with thoughts about what's have happened.

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By #172, I don't like how Metal Sonic interacted with Solar Wind and Imperium, his lack of thoughts on them two, and how he's asking really lazy questions.

I'm against outing neighbourhoods this game. Here are some scenarios where not outing actually helps:
- Scum\third party needing to target particular pantheons for their abilities
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Town informational roles sharing info to the neighbourhood.

A cop can share his reads with the other people. One of the others can claim. etc.

Too late now but I don't see any negatives or positives to keeping the people in neighborhoods a secret or public.

Pretty much the entire game up to this point feels like noise. It's a few people talking to each other when over half the game has barely had a chance to do close to anything yet.

I also hate it when people play in pre-game, especially for several pages.

I feel this.

I think AP's town but I kind of disagree with his read on FT because I don't see him as town more as null because I think his accusation was bs.

I'm going to VOTE: Metal Sonic for the time being due to his wish washy play.

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My "she" *lazy* questioning of bitmap in the neighborhood is to see why she gave solar wind a town read based on her town reading RachMarie. Like literally her whole entire reasoning of town reading solar wind is because they town read RachMarie.

Yeah, pretty much.

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Nah, we need votes on Ankamius. Even assuming 119 is okay (it's not), there's still been lots of stuff to talk about since the game "start," so the RVS vote, lack of scumhunting, and fluffy commentary is by far the worst, scummiest thing here.

Agree about the RVS vote and lack of scumhunting. Not sure if it is his playstyle to complain about a large number of posts in general. I'm waiting to see how he catches up.

Give me something specific to look at and I'll respond. Otherwise, I'm waiting until something jumps out at me.

What do you think of Metal Sonic's interactions with Imperium and Solar Wind?

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I tried triple-ISOing them and got 188 results. Any specific pages?

The whole spat when Metal Sonic kept on asking "Are you scum?" and not answering any of their questions.

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How the fuck did Metal Sonic get "Best Town Performance"?

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He started it.

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That was directed to Imperium.

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I like games where I don't have to do anything and become obv-town.

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why do you call yourself a daycop when you're obviously not?

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I like this even more than being obv-town.

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oooh ooh day cop me pls

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I was referencing the song.

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Looking back, I don't understand why people are voting xombie or have a scum read considering he was right about the reference.

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Mmmmmm, SLEEP TIME. SLEEP TIME IS THE BEST TIME. ALSO BITMAP, WHY THE METAL VOTE?

b/c he was acting really scummy in my opinions earlier this evening but I kind of want to move it now

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How is ooba town?

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I wouldn't have.

Why wouldn't you?

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I wouldn't have.

Why wouldn't you?

My first reaction would have been "gambit!". Next stop would be wondering about grey-area role modifiers that aren't normal but aren't necessarily bastard either. Just about the last thing I would think is that scum-MS would want to 1v1 me on day 1. Someone fake-guiltied me a year or so ago and didn't reveal the gambit until after I was mislynched, though. His reasoning was that my reaction to the gambit wasn't a town-reaction because I didn't go balls to the wall 1v1 and try to get him lynched. I sat down and tried to solve the game for the rest of the game day instead.

Xombie's visible trajectory from the guilty claim doesn't follow mine, but we're different players with different styles and different experience levels. There are tiny anomalous bumps on his reaction, which leave me kinda meh, but I don't think he's the scummiest scum that ever scummed atm.

Really? My reaction would of been

"fite me son, I 1v1 you scumbag. I'm town and ur scum. If I get lynched then I declare you to be tomorrow's lynch."

Initially I had Xombie as null because of the whole song reference thing but his "lack" of reaction towards MS kind of rubs me the wrong way.

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Implied scum motivation for complaining about lack of scumhunting is that he doesn't have to do anything, which would be scum motivation because he doesn't have to post, but the players with the biggest voice in the game are the ones doing all the posting and he's making enemies of us as a result, which accomplishes the opposite of what he would have set out to do as scum.

Ankamius is anti-town and lazy; both those make him more likely scum than town. Yes, he might alienate a couple players, but that doesn't change the analysis. Scum can still survive having an enemy or two.

How is he anti-town? Also, being lazy is not alignment indicative.

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@FourTrouble: What do you think of Xombie's reaction to MS's "gambit"?

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Well said

Sheep more please.

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How is he anti-town? Also, being lazy is not alignment indicative.

Not reading large portions of the game is anti-town. Not commenting on anything unless specifically asked is anti-town. Casting an RVS vote (i.e. trying to go back) when RVS is dead is anti-town. All of these suggest that Ankamius isn't scumhunting (which is anti-town) and a passive/reactionary approach (which is also anti-town). I also disagree that being lazy isn't scummy. Yes, town are sometimes lazy too (and I'm at fault for this more than anyone), but in general scum are lazy more often than town, so it increases the odd that someone is scum.

He said he didn't want to read any of the pre-game talk since the game hasn't started which is understandable. Passive/reactionary is a playstyle, which is not alignment-indicative unless paired with meta. Otherwise, I understand where you're coming from.

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I still think he's light town.

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Bitmap, why is Metal still your top suspect (or if he isn't, who is and why aren't you voting them)?

I used to think he was pretty scummy because of his cop claim and his "ARE YOU SCUM LOLOLOL" interactions however, that has lessened a lot. I was actually contemplating about moving my vote to Rach but I was waiting to hear answers to farside's question.

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Hmm that's weird. I thought you couldn't read AP until mid-game to late game where you will then see his paranoia as town or not.

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VOTE: Rach

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Then Solar Wind noted a scumread there, and I don't have any of those and I don't have a read on AP's posting thus far, so I voted.

Why vote Rach after the whole "Solar Wind is town for Rach read" thing? You think ffery's wrong?

I don't buy it.

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Interesting. I'm not sure what to take of TD's post yet but will think about it.

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You're actually high hanging fruit this game ironically.

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Considering some to a lot of the "big" players with a lot of experience and expertise are saying you are town, wouldn't it be better for me as scum to claim you as town and ride under their wings since they have me pegged as town?

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vezo hasn't posted much in here. :/

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vezo hasn't posted much in here. :/

He's trying to stoke discussion in the hood. Thankfully, nobody is biting.

I'll bite the wagon though because being more active in the hood than the main thread is very disturbing.
VOTE: vezo

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Vezok wagon best wagon.

Now seriously. Metal sonic is town. House and TSO are town also.
I still have no idea what's up with beast.

Why are they town?

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Metal Sonic recently ran into a situation where he 'caught' someone and the other mason hard defended him until they outed as masons.

It's not implausible in the slightest and I feels more town than scum to have immediately jumped to that conclusion, even with the posts afterwards.

wat

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I was thinking about this game and thought about the gambit MS played against Xombie. I guess I'm too influenced by the playstyle of UberNinja and drmyshotgun but when you think about it, Xombie didn't have a reaction really which is weird because when I think about it more, I would have screamed and condemned Metal Sonic and created an ultimatum to get him lynched. But Xombie didn't do that. Instead, he was like "uhhh ok" which doesn't strike me as what a town player would usually say in that situation.

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This is the post I'm talking about knowing that you're town and knowing that the other person has a bullshit PR scum read on you:

SUPER BONUS POINTS, for

neither

drmyshotgun

or

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"I

know

I'm town, and thus I

know

you're scum, if you claim to have a PR scum result on me."

Neither

of them said that.

Instead, they both counter-claimed PRs, as a last-ditch attempt to try to stave off my utter destruction of their scum team. That's just another reason why they're scum, if you didn't already believe it.

Sorry guys. You're out of luck. It's over. Just vote yourselves, because there's

literally no way you can win

this game.

This was from this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=23478

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@Mod: Please prod the inactives.

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I was thinking about this game and thought about the gambit MS played against Xombie. I guess I'm too influenced by the playstyle of UberNinja and drmyshotgun but when you think about it, Xombie didn't have a reaction really which is weird because when I think about it more, I would have screamed and condemned Metal Sonic and created an ultimatum to get him lynched. But Xombie didn't do that. Instead, he was like "uhhh ok" which doesn't strike me as what a town player would usually say in that situation.

Why does Xombie reacting differently than you in that situation mean he is scummy?

Hi. It's not just reacting differently than me. It's just the fact that he supposedly knows he's town and is like "uhh ok" instead of "ur scum" sort of mentality and I would assume a newer player would shift towards "wtf are you doing im town" mentality if that happened to them.

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AP, please tell me you are kidding and not that you are scum again ready to mudsling into oblivion.

As of 380, I'm worryingly

not

getting townvibes from AP's posting. Who knows, that might change later-on, and it's difficult to lock down when he was V/LA, thus, unavailable to post more like the AP I'm comfortable with, butstill...

Generally, by now, he towns things up.
I'm not seeing the towning things up; I'm seeing posting things up. Not "mudslinging", per se, but more like...posting to post stuff, rather than posting to see what sticks. (AKA, scumhunting.) Doesn't mean he's a scumread, yet, but he's disconcertingly close to one.

Are you expecting AP to post while he's V/LA?

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Are you expecting AP to post while he's V/LA?

I expect nothing from AP.

What I'd HOPE for from AP would be having a constant stream of readable content where his heart was in the game rather than in whatever place his distracted mind has placed it in (via his V/LA and multi-game priorities) so that one way or another I'd have a read locked down.

I don't.

Is it a null read or leaning scum read then? Has AP had scum games where he doesn't have this constant stream?

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Should TSO or beastcharizard die? What if they re masons?

I'm about to policy vig you soon.

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As in day vig

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Are you expecting AP to post while he's V/LA?

I expect nothing from AP.

What I'd HOPE for from AP would be having a constant stream of readable content where his heart was in the game rather than in whatever place his distracted mind has placed it in (via his V/LA and multi-game priorities) so that one way or another I'd have a read locked down.

I don't.

Is it a null read or leaning scum read then?

Has AP had scum games where he doesn't have this constant stream?

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Are you expecting AP to post while he's V/LA?

I expect nothing from AP.

What I'd HOPE for from AP would be having a constant stream of readable content where his heart was in the game rather than in whatever place his distracted mind has placed it in (via his V/LA and multi-game priorities) so that one way or another I'd have a read locked down.

I don't.

Is it a null read or leaning scum read then?

Has AP had scum games where he doesn't have this constant stream?

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Because he has commented about people who have been substantive and your post 718 looks like

posturing

if you'll pardon the expression.

The problem is that a whole fuckton of people have only given a few posts and been in-active this whole game. What makes AP special?

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Because he has commented about people who have been substantive and your post 718 looks like

posturing

if you'll pardon the expression.

The problem is that a whole fuckton of people have only given a few posts and been in-active this whole game. What makes AP special?

Are you asking this of me? Or of Mastin?

Well Mastin still hasn't answered my question on how scum AP plays so I guess to you.

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mastin is town... i hope

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Oh.. they're inactive. Ok and yeah, this is my second game on this site and you guys seem to all play different from the others I've played with. But I'll change my vote then,

VOTE: Solar Wind

Do you think Solar Wind is scummy or is this "I'm pissed someone is pressuring me" vote?

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Until people die and flip town, I take reads with a small grain of salt.

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He told Xombie he had a daycop guilty on Xombie. It's more about the reaction by Xombie than about Metal Sonic's alignment at the moment.

If that was me who MS was reaction testing instead of Xombie with the same reaction, would you think that's a normal town response from me?

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I dunno. I'd probably want to meta dive for similar events if it had been you or someone else where data might be available. I'm leery of assuming that everyone reacts the same way because it caused two mislynches and a town loss when someone assumed there was one right way to react to being fake guiltied.

But my problem is that Xombie doesn't have any previous games and you're assuming as a result, his reaction was townish.

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Oh.. they're inactive. Ok and yeah, this is my second game on this site and you guys seem to all play different from the others I've played with. But I'll change my vote then,

VOTE: Solar Wind

Do you think Solar Wind is scummy or is this "I'm pissed someone is pressuring me" vote?

No, I voted for him, hoping he'd vote for me. Didn't go quite to plan.

And what would you have gained if she/he voted for you?

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In the absence of anything comparative to go on, I default to using myself as a yardstick, and footnote the hell out of the event for future reconsideration.

I think you're doing the same thing? Different yardsticks.

This is very true. My anxiety is cured for this matter.

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Bitmap, do YOU think xombie's is scum?

Maybe. Eh.

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Bitmap, do YOU think xombie's is scum?

Maybe. Eh.

What do you think about TSO bad beast? If you had a dayvig policy vig, would you kill one of them?

Do you even have a policy vig? If you shoot one of them right now, I can do something cool

Lurky. No. There are a lot more lurkers in this game than them and their posts didn't strike me as odd yet.

I

may or may not

have some sort of vig mechanic.

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Why don't we work together?

If you have a dayvig, hypothetically, who would you use it on?


Can we play hypothetical dayvig games?

vezo, no

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I'd like to hear Vezok's scum motivation for "trying to stoke discussion in the hood". And why you are glad discussion is low.

Neighborhoods can be heavily utilized as scum as a way to be perceived as town. It's also much easier to coax your neighborhood than the players themselves. I don't know anything about what's going on about the neighborhood so I'm not sure how much discussion they are exactly having.

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Hi The Mask,

Plan on catching up anytime soon?

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@Mod: Prod on Ank and aceofspades?

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Bookitty and Imperium both towned it up pretty hard before TD had posted any content at all.

Wait, Bookitty is in this game? 0_O

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VOTE: Xombie

Still didn't like his reaction to the point where I'll vote Xombie over vezo now.

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Also, can someone explain the whole mason thing or should I just nod and smile and pretend I understand what's going on?

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We are not lynching TSO. That is the answer. Find someone else.

beast townreads TSO for no reason.


that suggests that he and TSO are masons.


so i should out them so that they can be nightkilled cause both of their play is batshit terrible.







if they are scum we should lynch them though

I presume this is the post.

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And I assume MS is no where near the lynch pool today while being really annoying...

I think I can fix that.

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@Mod: Deadline?

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Question for those not voting someone at this point...

Why not?

Hey you!

Yes you!

You haven't mentioned anything regarding Metal Sonic in your ISO even though there has been a large discussion about him that's even going on up now. I want to hear thoughts.

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You should vote him then and make a case for him to get lynched today.

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Also, can someone explain the whole mason thing or should I just nod and smile and pretend I understand what's going on?

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Holy fuck but I think I'm actually going to use my day actions now.

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Some of you will thank me, some of you will think it's a waste. I think it'll help the sanity of some.

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Also good luck town, I'll see you tomorrow morning.

My scum reads are vezo, Xombie, Rach, and ZZZX.

I think AP needs to be pushed today.

Solar Wind, Imperium, Farside, and Mastin SHOULD NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR THE LYNCH POOL!

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Metal Sonic will be unable to perform actions tonight but will not be killable so please refrain from wasting actions on him.

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I'll be keeping track of what goes on and will give my thoughts when I come back.

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Talk to me this is important we should work together

We will have a QT with just me and you. Also, my power is a variant of jailkeeping.

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I still don't understand the town read on you from multiple power players.

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I still don't understand the town read on you from multiple power players.

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't true =_="

Anyway if you are telling the truth of using your power role on me I am happy so I won't be mad

I still have you pegged as slight scum for those annoying gambits.

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Please note you will not have any access to any private topics (including scum qt) when you are in this portal.

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Later.

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Please note you will not have any access to any private topics (including scum qt) when you are in this portal.

Are you also restricted from other private topics during this time (however long it is)?

Yeah.

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Also relevant.



I'm still here so feel free to ask any dark and deep seeded questions.

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Go over what your role does again so there's no confusion: you and MS leave the game for a while losing access to Private Topics as well as the game thread and come back later sometime? When?

Yes. Presumably start of Day 2.

Also relevant.



I'm still here so feel free to ask any dark and deep seeded questions.

Are you/your target able to post in the game thread while you're in your neighborhood or whatever it is?

Nope.

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We can't post in them but we can presumably still read.

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So neither of you can vote/change your vote after this takes place?

Mhmm.

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welp.

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Hi, I'll catch up soon.

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I don't have any reason to read him as town. I'm waiting for what bitmap thinks about his time with him.

I'll answer this now. I didn't talk much to him since it was a really busy week for me. He told me his roles and it matches what Aero said awhile back. He doesn't have daycop but I'm sure he's joking.

His ult needs to be nerfed because I don't trust MS with it.

He mentioned wanting to shoot TSO, beast, or xombie.

We talked about reads briefly.
We both believe our neighborhoods are purely town.
We both agree farside is town.
He thought AP was scummy and I thought he was towny. Both were from "gut reads."
He mentioned Cephrir was transparent and easy to read. He did not mention what he thought of Cephrir.

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I think Cephrir's predecessor is scummy but Cephrir himself feel town.

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VOTE: Rach

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So what read do you have on MS? You say you don't trust MS with his ultimate but then you vote for Rach. Can you explain that?

Rach hasn't done shit. I agree with farside's case on her.

MS is more of a null read. Just because I don't trust him with his ultimate doesn't mean I believe he's scum. I believe he's going to fuck up town with his ultimate regardless of alignment.

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Like, I really don't understand why the fuck everyone is defending her. She literally have been coasting on every major wagon including the AP wagon.

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"If I use my ult correctly, I can dayvig someone every three days. Yay." -Metal Sonic 2015

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So what read do you have on MS? You say you don't trust MS with his ultimate but then you vote for Rach. Can you explain that?

Rach hasn't done shit. I agree with farside's case on her.

MS is more of a null read. Just because I don't trust him with his ultimate doesn't mean I believe he's scum. I believe he's going to fuck up town with his ultimate regardless of alignment.

Given how easy it apparently is to get mutual townreads on neighbors for everyone around here...

How does that apply to Rach doing nothing and MS being a hazard to town?

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You had a neighborhood with him and nothing better to do all day and still didn't get a townread. :S

I didn't pick him to join my neighborhood because he was a town read.

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So did you pick him because he was a scum read?

Yes. And now it's an "ehhh" read.

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His ult refreshes all his abilities.

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And he can constantly use his ult when he used all his abilities.

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Also, please note that L-1 should be at 11 since I want to use my ability again.

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Hi, I got prodded. I would like to let everyone know that they should vote Rach.

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@Mod: I want to be replaced.

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From what I recall, you really don't want to see what was inside Elysium.

Also thanks for the game, dramonic. Sorry for replacing out.