Robbery! At The Casino (Game Over)

[Titus]

Mod: Replace me for DT.

Ika our reads are agreeing. Let's flip them while I got my eyes on you bc you are ika.

[Titus]

Ika join me on Desp. We agree on Desp/shos. We can argue the third later.

[Titus]

Desp has the wagon. If ashos wagon would be greater with out votes, we could move there.

Shortwise, look how PC's wagon jumped after my late night misinterpretation of their post. Look at their wagon. Look at the Desp wagon.

[Titus]

I don't have a plan for when you flip town because you are not likely to. However, if you want to save your neck, you can vote shos.

[Titus]

Shos is scum if desp is town but he isn't.

I don't care what you assume. I care if you are you.

[Titus]

Alright. I believe the mason claims for now,based on geraintms response to my vote on grayfoxx. That was a reaction test btw, I knew he was replaconf out(see replacement thread - i posted there as mod and saw the post about grayfoxxz).

Meanwhile, I have yet to see a reasom for why I am scum and I cant get it no matterhow many shit posts I do, on purposeor not. 1059 is true, too, so I am goingto
VOTE: titus

Also, his activity does not match titustown.

You're self-admittedly shit posting and wonder why I scumread you? How about your general random opportunism plus leading a lynch on obvtown Pants and Perfect Chaos?


@ika, That's a false dichotomy. I don't see it likely desp is town.

I can also say... gee what if shos is town? Vote Desp then. That's not the substance of Titus logic. :S I figured you'd know me better by now.

[Titus]

VOTE: shos

Ika: if shos is town who is scum.
Me: Desp.
ika: well in either scenario, desp is scum so you should vote Desp.
Me: ok.

VOTE: Desperado

BBT, if my play sucks he can tell me with a vote. I would not like being untouchable as it primes me for an NK.

[Titus]

Desp, you should claim. Ika hammers everything and if he refuses to hammer you he will know I will take it as a scumclaim.

[Titus]

and just a reminder titus, you know what i said last game we had this argument so you should know better then to assume that like you are doing now

I was right wasn't I? Your IRL had nothing to do with it. Just like it has nothing to do with it here. You're refusing to hammer your scumbuddy.

Desperado, ika, shos. That's almost certainly the team.

[Titus]

You're not going to outright claim scum.

I'll vote you ika if you're the largest wagon of my scumreads. You're not going to anger bait me into doing something stupid. If I have the first vote tomorrow, you bet your ass I'll be voting you.

[Titus]

VOTE: ika
VOTE: Desperado

Wow I guess that townfirms me right?

ika, I haven't misrepped anything. You refused to hammer. You obsessively hammer anything at L-1 as town. Ergo, you are scum. I've caught you doing that.


I was hoping to get major bussage but I fucked up my own gambit. *sigh* I was hoping to get a bunch of scumbussing when I made up a guilty on Desp bc I am pretty sure he's scum.

[Titus]

Yup. Desp town.

i found this from isoing the convo.

i would like to hear the magic 180 outside of "reaction"

i still stand by titus scum

You basically ignore my comments where Desp jumped on anything with a pulse and basically imply that once I have a read on early day 1 I'm stuck with it...

[Titus]

Yup. Desp town.

i found this from isoing the convo.

i would like to hear the magic 180 outside of "reaction"

i still stand by titus scum

Do you want to mass claim?

Or what about flavor claiming?

Only if that massclaim includes ika Desp and shos and only ika Desp and shos. I got one more shot up my sleeve and I'd rather not reveal it yet.

[Titus]

What are the odds yhat all the currentpy active peeps in the discussion are VTs?
I think at least one of those claims is faulty. That claim is not PCs claim.

I am leaning this way. Our PRs are likely out. Given I only watch on odd nights but masons and egg, that would be most all our PRs. VT is really the best move for scum here.

[Titus]

Lol. Okay. I now have a solid town read on ika.

:facepalm

[Titus]

I can buy two dealer vts. Of course ika isn't a vt so yeah.

[Titus]

Prodded. Hard RL issues.

[Titus]

Ok quick summary please y'all please. Will be watching the mason. Who is that?

[Titus]

Ok watching Geratrim.

G, watcher keeps the conftown alive we hope. Scum do have a ninja because I watched Egg and nothing.

[Titus]

Or vote Desp or shos. But hey....

[Titus]

Oh wait GC is Desp...

VOTE: GC

[Titus]

im willing to let titus live for toDay only b/c shes going to be forced to watch the mason.

This is bad. Nobody should be advising where the watcher should watch, let her decide on her own.

Doesn't matter. Scum have ninja.

[Titus]

I will continue my catchup (hopefully read all of Day 2) later (real day), but in the meantime

Titus - how can you be certain that the scum have a ninja? Assuming that you are a watcher, could there be other roles like jailer or roleblocker that would do the same thing?

I'm wondering why you are so sure that it is only one type.

I watched Egg N1. Got no one visited him. I am odd night watcher so yeah...

[Titus]

Let me tell you guys a little tale. This is a story about a fake, a fraud, a charlatan, a trickster and his buddy, the patsy, the framejob, the fall guy. See here is how I could see things going down between Titus (DoubleTrouble) and Green Crayons (Desperado). After night 1 Titus comes in thread and makes an accusation towards Green Crayons saying that they are indirectly indicting them for the night kill based off the fact that they watched Egg that night. Titus misinterprets something that I said, taking it to mean that I was questioning if they actually saw Green make the kill, meaning that I knew that scum had a ninja. Titus realized her mistake and pulled back off of me, but stayed with Green.

My theory here is that Titus faked being a watcher, and added the odd night only into it to buy another day of life before we started in on wifoming why they were still alive. Titus picked a role that would give information and would easily explain why he was seen visiting Egg if there was any other role that could have detected that. I think that Titus implicated Green because they are both scum and this was a way to spread the mist around should either of them die. If Titus died and flipped scum then Green would be cleared based off the accusation. If Green was killed and flipped scum then Titus would be clear based off the fact that he called out scum and was correct. It is a win win scenario here for them.

Since we are willing to give Titus the benefit of the doubt, and he will most likely die tonight, I think that todays lynch should be Green. I am sticking with the idea that Desp would not have interacted with me in the way that he did if he were town. I am asking you guys to trust my judgement on this one.

Vote Green

You were doing so good until you went conspiracy mode. I was convinced Desp was scum and faked a guilty on him since I should have had one.

[Titus]

I messed up.

I thought the person who was making a bid deal out of VT was also the person who claimed watcher.

My bad.

Titus - There are dealers, game operation managers, and a dual-rate floor manager. What are you?

Floor Manager I believe. I watch over the card tables for cheating.

[Titus]

Okay.

your not going to get more then that untill i take action tonight

I don't care that you later claimed VT. I'm just curious why you wrote this. Or is that also too much to ask?

reactions. that is like the basis of almost every play i do. its also why i like never give reasons for anything

and if you are going to go the route of "reaction testing is stupid" or crap like that i will be done talking to you. i dont care how bad/weak/shit/whatever people think of it.

its what i do and what i live off of

ok so after reading back alittle I conclude that beck has been way too town for ika to be scum, unfortunately.

Whiteknighting.... but doing NOTHING to stop ika lynch. This screams Shos scum guys


Ika can you work with me to help lynch scum?

[Titus]

That isn't what I am saying. They are active in other games while they are ignoring this one. They have claimed a PR and I feel like they would, if town, want to come in here and reveal the information they had gained from last night. Also, killing a mason over a watcher doesn't make sense to me.

masons are always a problem for scum. you have two choices: one is kill them early, and the other is leave both alive for wifom of town. either way, it's a pros and cons, so that choice is not necessarily odd. Either the watcher claim is off, or the scum prefer to hit the masons first and try to avoid the watcher.

this should be something we remember to take a look at but for now this is useless.

<I know it's taking me LONG to make this read, I'm kinda battling loads of stuff irl right now>

Scum have ninja.

[Titus]

Shos you can die.

Can we get a VC?

[Titus]

you also should of noted she claimed oddnight iirc?

now why would I do that.
What's your opinion about massclaim?? I can practically confirm myself to everyone

Then we can lynch you.

I am phone posting.

You feel so threatened by me and cannot kill me. So sad.

[Titus]

claims should include role, flavor, and past actions.
order of claims, imo:
1. Titus(already claimed, but better to have everything in one place)
2. Doctor Who (past grayfoxxx slot; this needs to be)
3-4. formerfish/natirasha
5. Green Crayons
6. BBT
7. ika (I think that by reading beck, everyone can agree to this)
8. shos(I can confirm myself, 99%. so I think this info should come after scum fakeclaim)
9. geraintm (already claimed and proved mason. for the sake of completeness)


pedit:
yes, you can. but what is your opinion on massclaim.?

Nope. You aren't getting the opportunity to fakeclaim scumbo. You BBT Formerfish and ika claim.

[Titus]

Eh sure, why not.
I am a VT, dealer. As there was no VT role PM published, and as I crumbed before the first flip, I should be conftown.

Like scum would not be told what VTs are

[Titus]

I've already full claimed.

Reading comprehension is a thing.

It is. But since you were on shos's list...figured it best not to quibble

I wish I was a vig

[Titus]

Also I'll give up three balls if there are 4 scum in a 13 p game.

The joat was also active bulletproof. All I am saying is that it is possible.

I will ISO beck now. If we do massclaim I would feel better if the other mason chose the order.

Tourist - 2-Shot Commuter.

I belive this.

Why

Bulletproof and commuter tend not to be in the same game. The only reason it is possible is bc of both being active.

[Titus]

Not to mention a counter to parts of mine.

[Titus]

Ika, trusting you here but I would rather keep something in reserve than mc. This might be a mistake. I am twice half an agent.

[Titus]

I don't think you are scum anymore. Otherwise I would not have claimed to you.

[Titus]

I'm not familiar with scum being told VT flavor without the town being told as well (which I think is different from scum being given "free"/available fakeclaims by the mod, which I think is different).

So I believe shos.

I'm not familiar with commuter. Wiki says it's basically only a town role, so do Titus and ika think that BBT is a scum-commuter or just lying about his role?

I wouldn't put it past Majiffy to have a scum commuter given the power town has. It is more likely that BBT is scum though.


Ika, you do understand my crumb to you right? I want to make sure so you can claim for me in case my claim is required while I am VLA.

[Titus]

I'm not familiar with scum being told VT flavor without the town being told as well (which I think is different from scum being given "free"/available fakeclaims by the mod, which I think is different).

So I believe shos.

I'm not familiar with commuter. Wiki says it's basically only a town role, so do Titus and ika think that BBT is a scum-commuter or just lying about his role?

If scum were not told VTs are dealers then

A) Scum were removed VTs as fakeclaims

OR

B) Early scum claimers are PRs

OR

C) Scum wanted massclaim once they figured out VT pm so they can all act as dealers


I am not a fan of scum not being able to fake VT from the start. That's poor mod design.

[Titus]

Ace of spades quickwagoned as counter to Desp. Cannot get wagon.

Shos says scum were not told VT flavor...DW come on man.

[Titus]

pretacetor.

By ur wot m8

*ika translator engage*

predecessor

VOTE: Shos

Join me. Let's get a wagon going ika.

[Titus]

seriously titus? this was like the first posts in the game. you're saying that scum got a vanilla PM pregame and town didn't? what kind of a mod gives scum the VT pm and doesn't publish it?

Town doesn't always get a VT PM. Scum would need safeclaims. Pretty obvious. Then you capitalize on the mod not doing that.

[Titus]

BBT, how and where did you see an ika softclaim?

Nope. I don't join wagons on town BBT. If you want to save yourself, vote Green Crayons or shos.

[Titus]

Ugh that does look like a softclaim...

Because Nati and FF are town and had a townreaction to my gambit. I don't see anything scum from them.

[Titus]

Well shit since I've told ika, I might as well tell everyone.

I'm half tracker, half watcher.

[Titus]

Are you seriously suggesting you haven't seen me post that quote before Titus? This is like the 9th time I've done it.

Fish is town, I agree. There is no way Nati is town. Seriously, I just can't see it.

She doesn't provide anything else for me to try and develop my case on her either. She is doing nothing.

I got really busy and wasn't playing as close attention before. It happened because I got swamped.

[Titus]

seriously titus? this was like the first posts in the game. you're saying that scum got a vanilla PM pregame and town didn't? what kind of a mod gives scum the VT pm and doesn't publish it?

Town doesn't always get a VT PM. Scum would need safeclaims. Pretty obvious. Then you capitalize on the mod not doing that.

As someone who replaced into a VT slot, the PM that was messaged me most definitely included the details of the VT role. So town did get a VT PM in this game.

Unless you mean the thread didn't get the VT PM, but Majiffy decided to give the scum a safeclaim by giving them what a VT PM looked like? I suppose that's possible, but I don't know why you think it's more likely than the opposite: that nobody but town VT got a VT PM, and shos decided to crumb the VT role flavor early on.

Think, how could scum fake claim vanilla townie if all the town were given the SAME vt pm without them having been provided it?

A mod wouldn't structure a setup where scum claiming vt would automatically be a scumclaim.

Therefore, scum knew all VTs were dealers.

[Titus]

Yes. Floor Manager. Even Night Tracker. Odd Night Watcher.

[Titus]

Well shit since I've told ika, I might as well tell everyone.

I'm half tracker, half watcher.

can you explain to us how you 'told ika'?

The agent posting. An Agent on our old site picked a player AND both tracked and watched them.

[Titus]

Scum-commuter...I actually have no words for that.

with a town JoAT, this can be feasible.

seriously titus? this was like the first posts in the game. you're saying that scum got a vanilla PM pregame and town didn't? what kind of a mod gives scum the VT pm and doesn't publish it?

Town doesn't always get a VT PM. Scum would need safeclaims. Pretty obvious. Then you capitalize on the mod not doing that.

show me one game in which scum got the vanilla role PM and town didn't.


BBT:

where did ika softclaim?

got it. I remember now.

Ika: please answer my question in post 1595

ika is chaotic in all games. re:nati, I will have to reread that slot. we might actually want to policy lynch before it's Xylo.

The last Magic Large Theme I was in for one. There hasn't been a "universal" vt PM though so that's the closest analogy. Show me a game where scum claiming VT would automatically be outed a scumclaim because they didn't know the VT code.

[Titus]

So who did you track?

Got a no result on ika. Big shock.

[Titus]

I kinda wanna lynch titus

Of course you do. Right before my vla.

VLA 5th through 10th

[Titus]

titus: how did you know egg died but not what abilities he had when he fliped?

that makes no sense how you watched him and knew he died but not his powers

All a watcher would know is if Egg visited himself or not. You should know that..

Stop trying to get lynched. I can handle my own.

[Titus]

Ninja again.

Vote Shos

I like GC + Shos as the team.


Thought about your reasoning but ika is less likely to be scum. Beck's play isn't consistent with scum on Day 1. He was not playing smart buf he's town most likely.

[Titus]

Last part is for BBT.

[Titus]

Town

Me
BBT

Strong lean town
ika
Dr. Who

Middle
FF

Scum
Shos
GC

[Titus]

Nope. Really do you think scum are braindead? Attack the one guy they know the watcher will be on and have one of them claim scum? The other would have to survive two mls in a row.

Is this the part where I flail and GC and shos get on so you see they are scum? That would save a lot of time.

GC's post is epically bad because it implies he knew my act failed before I even posted. He was not pushing me as scum hard yesterday.

[Titus]

I also said Egg could claim for me and we were opposites. I was wrong but that's a hell of a risk Day 1.

[Titus]

We weren't but I thought he was odd night watcher even tracker. So I told him as much and tried to make an OP circle.

[Titus]

So you thought there were two watcher/trackers that were active on opposite nights? That didn't seem a little excessive, especially considering you are putting forth an unlimited ninja role on the scum side of it?

Did you ever explain why you tracked Ika?

First, when I thought egg and I were opposites, I had zero information but an investigative role about Egg. So I tested my theory with the chicken or the egg test. Chase chicken = Tracker, Watch Egg hatch = Watcher. Which came first in the PM? That conversation convinced me we were opposites.

I then proposed the watch circle and camped on Egg. No notification was given to me. That's when I knew ninja was in play.

Ika I tracked because I wanted to see if he was a PR or not and to help read him. In every game ika will lie at least once regardless of alignment as a gambit. The more I know about him the better.

The next night, knowing I was in the game, scum killed Germ anyway. What kind of scum, knowing the watcher will camp there, outright attacks the mason? Given we have 7 alive, that makes 5 v 1 tomorrow. Thus many lynches to survive.

You are pretty obviously town. Ika is town based on Beck's play day 1. Those have to be the nks.

Plus scum are in a pretty bad position. Their buddy gets lynched. If a doctor is hidden (see Rev mafia) I become like a cop). Ninja makes the most sense for balance and is the only way my results work.

[Titus]

Shos how do you figure that your crumb solidifies you as town now?

And if Titus doesn't get active in this game she is going to earn my vote more quickly than she should, cause she's scum either way.

I am vla dude. I am hosting Titus's Tavern. See General Discussion.

[Titus]

Forgot bbt in the last post.

[Titus]

Titus, can you explain your town-read on Who? I don't get it.

Who seems rather reluctant to rush to judgment. His posts that asked questions as he was reading allowed for a clear train of thought to be followed.

Compare that to Desperado - Mr. OMG I will vote every wagon but Shos.

Compare to Shos - I am conftown because I am dealer and there's no way scum would know VT is dealer...and then scum had dealer.

Dr. Who is a smidge PoE ( as you BBT and ika are confirmed town from my perspective).

I also looked at that epically bad Pants wagon. It formed in 6 hours. Why did Desp tey a flashwagon on Pants?

He knew Beck would go for it. So both Desp and shos vote Pants. The end of the 6hour flashwagon was town. That wagon was scumled.

[Titus]

5 bucks says shos is the ninja and lynching him would bone the scumteam. I debated faking a guilty but that went bad last time.

[Titus]

You are not getting ika. The start of day 4 should feel wrong. GC is scum. Shos is scum.

VOTE: Shos

[Titus]

Yeah scum win. GC shos team.

Ika is not scum bbt. Stop mulling on the pr vt nonsense. Ika fake claims powerful townie all the fucking time to draw an nk.

[Titus]

I am 99% sure it is GC plus Shos. FF cannot vote scum for shit. You and ika are clear for me. It would have to be Who as the next person.

Just quickwagon shos tomorrow. Then GC. It's the same answer I said since day 1. I wish I didn't fuck up that guilty.

[Titus]

Lol. Yes shos you're confused.

I call bullshit on you being willing to lynch shos GC. You haven't put a lot in the way of him being scummy here.

[Titus]

Titus, shos, and Doctor Who were the three I was willing to lynch today.

This post is so conveniently timed.

Yes. Now look at the start of Day 4 when GC was acting as if I failed before I posted. Look at Day 1 where Desp was on like every fucking wagon.

The lightbulb is coming on.

[Titus]

Hey look I read this whole thread. Give me an award.


VOTE: Nati, on the theory of her being bored scum.


Not particularly pleased with it, but I'll need to do extra reading beyond a single read through to have something better.

Bus vote. I am not pleased with voting my buddy and I will jump on anything else that I can.

^^^ That is the translation.

[Titus]

The ika read is the one you should trust the most. Even if you hate it. Look at Beck's push on Nati Day 1.

You know I am town now. My inital mylo read on Boonskiies was right. So yeah.

[Titus]

And in your Nati vote again you beg for another wagon to hit. You feel adrift. Not exactly confidence Nati was scum.

[Titus]

No. The truth is obvious. You bus as a matter of gee I cannot find anything else better to get off at anytime. Pretty clear.

[Titus]

Occam's razor is GC shos.

BBT is not mimicing my scumplay. Rule 1, do not kill townbeard.

[Titus]

FF, between this and Harry Potter, you just suck. You have gone 10+ days without voting a scum as town.

[Titus]

That's literally how he was around my wagon at mylo and eventually decided I was going to get mled anyway. Here he waffles and no support toactually lynch scum so he lynches me.

You two need to get the fuck along.

[Titus]

You better vote GC tomorrow. Then shos after otherwise I will just make sure everyone knows how dumb you are.

[Titus]

Shit sorry confused you for the guy tunnelling you in Harry Potter. Deserved that FF.

[Titus]

You better vote GC tomorrow. Then shos after otherwise I will just make sure everyone knows how dumb you are.

tell me titus, how the fuck does active BP, 2 shot commuter, and your role vs ninja, goon and ???

tell me like im some idiot how its remotely ballenced

Mafia Goon, Encryptor and Ninja balance ninely.

[Titus]

BBT and ika, you two better be gambiting right now because I worked to fucking hard this game outing the scumteam on day 1 for the most part to have you two piss it away.

[Titus]

BBT, your slip is something ika draws

practically every time

he draws VT. Look at his VT games. He softs a PR every single fucking time.

[Titus]

ARGGGGHHHHH!!!!

BAAAH

SCUUUMS