Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[goodmorning]

@Toffee: Like, really really. You may feel it is a small detail, I do not.

[Wisdom]

And certainly don't answer any mason-related questions. Enough with that topic.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nice of Wisdom to give you an easy road out Dave. I expect you'll take it.

If enough people don't vote Dave when I return to forum tomorrow I guess I will have to move on to the other reasons I think he is scum.

[goodmorning]

TOFFEE FFS WHY

[davesaz]

Dave, your read on the Mason was in direct relation to NPAU, correct?

You said you had other parts? Ones which don't involve the on/off/on vote and reasoning behind it? I think you should move on now.

[davesaz]

FFS? I can't even guess what that one is.

[Josh_B]

Hey ya know that feeling when you think you have something right, and it's only 50% right? It happens to me all the time in micros. I'm kind of starting to wonder if it's possible that Dave's possible mason connection could be scum buddying.

So this is a yes/no question. Dave have you ruled out the possibility of the probable connection being scum? Meaning, you definitely think that connection is a mason connection and not a scum connection. If it's a possible scum connection, telling us could help us find scum.

[Shinobi]

I've been busy most of today and I'm kind of drained.

The one thing I'll note is that Wisdom is incredibly town and I'm inclined to sheep him. His reads are totally in congruence with the thread and it feels like he's taking a strong town leadership position in order to move the game forward. The way he's going about posting his reads indicates that he's striving for clarity and they all construct the message "I am helping the town." I like it. No wishy-washiness, just lots of strong opinions backed by analysis and a desire to sort out things that he doesn't care for, a la the whole Dave debacle.

I'm going to spend time looking into Peabody.

I'll follow up on Josh as well as GM at some point, definitely not now though. I simply don't have the energy to pick fights atm. I feel like there's a scum between him and GM, but I don't know who it is. The thread exploded and I don't have the time nor the energy to look into everything that was said.

[uctriton00]

Managed to post once in the past week (a prod dodge) and I have no fingers or votes or whatever at me

America, **** yeah

Skimming the past 9 pages in these next 10 minutes

[uctriton00]

Pretty much stopped at 1032 where josh asks if GM can be cleared

Combine that with what in my impression was NPAU and GM being opposite, gives me GM and now gives me josh

[uctriton00]

One thing I'd go for are people in the thread who quickly say they know they should not have been on the lunch.

I hammered with intent in finding scum. If a town flips, scum can easily say yeah well it was a bad idea.

I'm clearly inefficient on an iPad to do this, but when I get to a desktop this weekend ill look deeper into that. It's a thought I have.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I already said I wasn't sure,

and the posts since I revoted have made me less sure

. But hopping to GM feels like hopping to town. I think I'll watch the thread and clock.

Why are you town-reading GM?

GM's reply to one of my posts. Town is way more likely to give that reply than scum. In fact, I'm nearly certain that GM is town because of a single sentence. No, I'm not going to quote it now.

Here, again, you express that you think it's a bad wagon, worse than the first time around but you

still

sit on it because...well, why did you stay on it? Are you saying GM was the only other viable option? You couldn't try to produce a case on somebody else or try to derail the wagon on NPAU? Instead, you decide to 'watch the thread and clock'. Hmm, that doesn't look like town to me. That looks like scum trying to keep themselves out of the spotlight and wait for somebody to do something that you can sheep. Or you just wait for NPAU to get lynched (even though you didn't like the wagon).

Now, on D2, you don't mention anything about the NPAU wagon. You don't pursue your 'bad feelings' about the wagon or anybody on it, instead, you try to find out who the Masons are.

Why did you stay on the wagon?
Why didn't you try to stop the wagon?
Why didn't you try to push somebody else's wagon?
What is the town motivation behind 'Watching the thread and clock' on a wagon you don't feel sure of?
Why did you not follow up on the NPAU wagon you disliked so much at start of D2?

Instead of following up on what you thought was a bad wagon, you decided to try and find out who the Masons are (even though you've already "found" one, right?)

What changed;

So, exactly why would you not like the idea of finding out who they are? Two confirmed town would help.

You wanted to out the Masons here. Now though, it's so anti-town that you couldn't even possibly consider it.

I call bullshit. If you don't get lynched today, I'm going to be super pissed.

Also, there is more to my case that you ignored, but I'd like to continue doing things one step at a time.

[davesaz]

You wanted to out the Masons here. Now though, it's so anti-town that you couldn't even possibly consider it.

I think they should claim. Since they have not, I conclude they think it's a bad idea. I'm deferring to their judgment.

Final

answer.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's fine.

Now answer the rest of that post.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You wanted to out the Masons here. Now though, it's so anti-town that you couldn't even possibly consider it.

I think they should claim. Since they have not, I conclude they think it's a bad idea. I'm deferring to their judgment.

Final

answer.

You're certainly being selective about what you choose to answer to.

It has been noted.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Let's run this out, right now, just me and you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Meh, I expected as much given Wisdom isn't here to defend you now.

Wisdom you better be super sure on your town-read on Dave, because I'm going after you immediately after Dave should he flip scum and you continue to defend him the way you're doing.

[Wisdom]

You're boring. You'll sheep me on Peabody eventually, so why delay it?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're boring. You'll sheep me on Peabody eventually, so why delay it?

Stop trying to discredit me.

You told me to move on, I have moved onto other parts of my case. I'm not sure why you still have a problem.

I don't want you getting involved, I don't want you providing answers for Dave, I don't want you defending Dave.

[Wisdom]

You have no case. Move on from dave in general.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thanks for you input.

Bye bye.

[goodmorning]

@Toffee/Shinobi: If [dave/Josh] had tried to save npiau, what would he gain as Town? As Scum?

IT IS ACTUALLY AN IMPORTANT QUESTION OK

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know why you're asking hypothetical questions GM.

[goodmorning]

It's an important hypothetical question which I am happy to explain the purpose of once you've both answered it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

There's no point in discussing hypothetical situations.

Let's focus on what actually happened.