In post 816, AxleGreaser wrote:In order to be convinced PereV is scum, and buy into your ´çase´/wagon I would need to see a continuing pattern of behaviour. I don´t believe your thread discussion with him or the points you have made do that.
What sort of "continuing pattern of behavior" do you expect to get out of an attack on multiball comments?
This seems like a standard that torpedoes many types of scumtells.
In post 817, AxleGreaser wrote:Thor: ¨and to not address at all the other questions (scumhunting questions based off said setup) except to say 'later I will provide this.¨
as a claim i had stated i would answer the questions you claimed i had not, but do it later.
I had in fact as far as i still can tell answered each point, if not then by now I have done it twice.
Yes, I will agree after saying you would answer things that you eventually answered them and that in between the two points I expressed interest in seeing answers given per your comment that you would do so.
I am not sure why we're discussing this.
In post 821, Izariael wrote:He seems to speak this way to anyone not agreeing with him. It irks me as a player, but I haven't played with Thor prior to this nor have I checked his previous games to know if this sneery, condescending tone of his is par for the course or if it could be alignment-indicative. I can't work past my personal bias to get any sort of read on him.
Dear gawd, this is exactly the reason I made an alt - to get away from this gak. As far as I can tell if my join date is not as old and I post
instead of
then I am considered a fun player.
If I do the other then I am the meanest mean of the seven means.
JUST BECAUSE I DISLIKE YOUR PLAY DOES NOT MEAN I AM A MEANIE-POO HEAD. MAYBE YOUR PLAY NEEDS TO BE ASSESSED. MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT YOUR PLAY AND DEFEND IT IF IT IS GOOD. MAYBE IF YOU GET UMBRAGED AT ME QUESTIONING YOUR PLAY THEN IT IS NOT AS GOOD AS YOU'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE ME IT IS?
If I insulted you personally then say so and I'll apologize.
If I insulted your *play* then back your play up or get over it - I am alloed to not like your play decisions. That's a legit and fair stance to take.
Making it personal just clouds the waters and is a step you're choosing to take - not me.
I also dislike that play, fyi.
In post 821, Izariael wrote:@Thor
: Drawing different conclusions or applying a different brand of logic than you doesn't make me terrible town. Nor does it make me scum.
It also doesn't make you good town nor does it suggest you are town. In fact, questioning questionable play is considered by me to be 'scumhunting'. because I do believe scum will do questionable play and I need to investigate it.
I will note that the other person defending you also didn't want to defend your play. Your play *is* questionable by more than just me, meaning that...yeah, there's probably something strange there - at which point yeah, you should expect people to address it. If you are unable to see why someone might question it then that's something you need to work on - maybe by asking me to explain why it's questionable in the first place, or defending why it isn't questionable at all. But just pointing out that you are a beautiful and unique snowflake doesn't change that you're doing something strange that people could, and should, investigate.
In post 821, Izariael wrote:You think I'm terrible town for having "faulty logic", while I think you're terrible town for your dogmatic attitude. The vast majority of your posts have this stick-up-your-Smurf tone that is quickly getting old.
I am saying you are terrible town or scum. If you just find my play dogmatic...that doesn't matter. Do you find my play potentially scummy? If no, then there's no point to this conversation. if yes you should be doing something with that thought instead of just pointing out that I am a dick. Because whether or not I am a dick does not affect whether or not I am scum, whereas my note of your strange play *does* have scummy connotations if you're lying about what you believe. I will admit I don't think scum tend to lie to act like a dick, so I'm not really sold on your tell, but if it's there advance it.
In post 821, Izariael wrote:I would love to give you an unbiased read that isn't influenced by my incredible distaste for your attitude, because right now all I'm thinking is "I just want Thor out of the game, regardless of his alignment." For that to happen, I would need you to step back a bit, get off your high horse, and cut this "I art superior to thou" crap that you're doing. Maybe you're right about EVERYTHING in this game, and I am WRONG about everything in this game. Perhaps it's the other way around. It still does not give you the right to be a complete Smurf to myself or other players in the way I see you doing. I'll leave that ball in your court. Do as you please.
Again - I believe I am allowed within the confines of the game to point out play I think is anti-town or pro-scum.
If my play is so terrible and uncouth that it prevents you from scumhunting though then one of us should replace out.
I do not think I have crossed any line and I also think I have been quite specific about what plays I find bad and why - allowing anyone to defend or discuss them if they wish.
I also think too much weight is being placed on my words, as other players have called your (and others) play bad and are not getting this reaction - and if I am getting extra weight to my words due to a join date that is an unfair weight to place on me, as it is not under my control.
If you think I crossed the line somewhere please point it out to me or the mod.
Otherwise - I do not see a valid reason to change my playstyle.
In post 823, TierShift wrote: In post 799, Thor665 wrote:I would think my other comment of 'I am in a neighborhood and not claiming it yet' would remove all doubt.
Where is this post?
Response to inquiry when I have time.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6268337
First response to a quote.
Speaking of quotes that can be responded to....
In post 799, Thor665 wrote:Back up your gak now please.
1. Explain your specific issue with how I approached him (even working within the misunderstanding you're now admitting to)
2. Then describe your chosen approach and why you thought it was a good approach.
That would be helpful.
You didn't answer this yet.
I don't know why that is hard to do.
I will make a comment about your play now and the idea of answering questions, but to soften it will do this
In post 825, goodmorning wrote:
Repeat: I've already spoken about this.
Repeat: I don't care to speak any more about it.
So...no, you haven't answered it, but you refuse to.
My Neighborhood is me, Pere, and Egg.
Egg gave me slight town vibes already.
Pere didn't post.
Discuss.
In post 825, goodmorning wrote:Note to self:
It is not polite to ask Thor to Smurf off, even if you say please.
Note to self: it is tough to get Goodmorning to state why she wants things not done because it will aid scum...'somehow'...I think, I'm actually inventing the excuse. It's the only one that makes sense, really.
Are you trying to be passive aggressive? There is a thing known as my player profile - y'know, click on my name, look at all my posted in games, have near infinite meta available.