Open 569 ~ Hope + 1 ~ Game Over!

[Bins]

Why... isn't... he... mentioning... those... people?

[Bins]

Especially when it comes to down to "Doing nothing." You can't just focus on one person doing that and ignore the rest.

He doesn't have to push them, but he's not acknowledging them.

[Bins]

at the time

Do you have no idea what's happening around you?

I'm talking about a post he made recently, where he's the only vote on me.

[Bins]

Yes, but you're talking about other people. That's my damn point.

[Bins]

So you're saying that my scumreads shouldn't evolve?

what

[Bins]

Bins you also come off as more genuine than the people you're accusing of doing the same thing as you. Startfromtheheart for example, just comes off as a really bad troll.

Being... geniune... is... bad?

[Bins]

No, this looks like town Bulge. And he's making sense, despite Sakura's run-on sentence thing.

[Bins]

I don't feel right defending him like I normally do until I'm satisfied with how much he's put out.

[Bins]

Bins you also come off as more genuine than the people you're accusing of doing the same thing as you. Startfromtheheart for example, just comes off as a really bad troll.

Being... geniune... is... bad?

Genuinely scum? Yes.

No one in this game makes sense anymore.

[Bins]

if he's scum with Bulge he's defending him

I repeat:

No one in this game is making any sense.

[Bins]

WHY THE HELL WOULD SCUMBERT PROTECT SCUMBULGE IN THAT MANNER

[Bins]

every time i read startfromtheheart i get you give love a bad name stuck in my head and idunno why

[Bins]

You aren't?

If you need explanation about why

it's

a

town-tell

, I think that when one head is messing up, the other head (as scum) will try to distance and not draw attention to it. Calling out your hydra partner on their shit is town behaviour, because it means you have nothing to be afraid of.

keyword

[Bins]

IT'S NOT DISTANCING

the logic is that scumhydras usually sheep eachothers fake logic

[Bins]

GUYS STOP

BULGE IS TOWN

[Bins]

You're being stubborn

Pedt

Jk both of you are

[Bins]

You are seriously ignoring everything he's saying and it's starting to piss me off.

[Bins]

[Bins]

IT'S
BECAUSE
YOU'RE
WRONG
SAKURA

YOU'RE
FREAKING
WRONG

[Bins]

I think Cop should decide to claim when they think they're in a situation where they need to claim. If that makes sense.

[Bins]

I answer the other stuff tomorrow.

[Bins]

Bins still annoys me and I'm conflicted. If it's scum, it's level 2 scum.

wht does this mean

[Bins]

How about I'm playing town

[Bins]

Bins, why do you think The Bulge is town?

People always seem to have a problem with this, but I usually can nail Bulge as scum with his first few posts. I'm not seeing Bulge scum yet, however, I do agree that he needs to do a lot more. Like stated, I don't think Bulge-scum would do nothing, even with a V/LA, I think he would try hard to look town as possible.

[Bins]

probtown: bulge, sakura
pleasebetown: ns, piehydra

scum: thesp/titus

dis is actually how i feel exactly

[Bins]

VOTE: thesp

[Bins]

Team 9's probably town because scum would have mad sure their case was strong.

[Bins]

did u guys know that lynching town advances a mafia wincon

[Bins]

thats ok

[Bins]

can you unvote yourself

[Bins]

ty

[Bins]

davesaz's opinion on the Bulge wagon is very similar to how I feel.


I don't think 22 is scum.

[Bins]

Flubber's not even actively reacting to what's happening in this game.

[Bins]

I think I'm going to do my own read's list tonight and PoE. I think it will be helpful for myself.

[Bins]

Because I'm not getting scummy vibes from their posts. I also liked their predecessor's one post.

Also they took stances I don't feel like people who just replaced into the game would jump to take.

[Bins]

*mobile posting is hard*

22 walks into this game and votes Thesp, for one. And I'd like to think from scum's shoes that when you replace into a game, you at least read a bit, and then take a stance on the major wagon. Especially people who are experienced with the game who wouldn't just avoid a wagon.

Then they said Bulge is town. And okay, sure, scum could want to get town points from The Bulge's flip, but in this case, since I'm agreeing with the argument, 22 is taking a stance a lot of people are FAILING to see. The argument against Bulge looks like two girls cat fighting with their eye's closed.

[Bins]

And Bulge's defenses DO, in fact, look good.

[Bins]

And I'd like to think from scum's shoes that when you replace into a game, you at least read a bit, and then take a stance on the major wagon. Especially people who are experienced with the game who wouldn't just avoid a wagon.

I'd like to think you'd do the same thing from town's shoes.

Of course, that's a reasonable thing to expect. But I think general "apathetic carelessness" reads town.

[Bins]

And yes, I read the wall.

[Bins]

I still think it's a TvT cat fight.

[Bins]

And I'd like to think from scum's shoes that when you replace into a game, you at least read a bit, and then take a stance on the major wagon. Especially people who are experienced with the game who wouldn't just avoid a wagon.

I'd like to think you'd do the same thing from town's shoes.

Of course, that's a reasonable thing to expect. But I think general "apathetic carelessness" reads town.

I think I understand why I think so many of your reads in this game have been bad.

I actually think my reads have been pretty decent.

[Bins]

I still think it's a TvT cat fight.

Why?

Because I think Bulge is town and I think Team 9 is town.

[Bins]

UNVOTE:

I think I'm voting Thesp and I'm not getting bad feels.

[Bins]

Because I think Bulge is town and I think Team 9 is town.

Why?

Because Bulge's defenses look good and I feel like he's fighting a losing battle that isn't his fault. And the way he's handling that situation is town.

Team 9's wall read very town. And I have a town read on them before.

[Bins]

Seriously Sakura "why" is your favourite question.

[Bins]

I'll go quote stuff when I'm not on mobile for the first question.
To the second, that's just how I view the fight. Bulge should not be at L-2. And I feel like a lot of the fight it people misrepping what he's trying to say then tunnelling very hard on the misreps and not listening to him trying to explain them.

[Bins]

As for the wall,
I think it's genuine that Team 9 has been very cautious for why their read isn't wrong. But I still think their missing a lot of the main points. You can't just be like "oh he's Canadian so his English is good so this can't be the case."

[Bins]

And I feel like a lot of the fight it people misrepping what he's trying to say then tunnelling very hard on the misreps and not listening to him trying to explain them.

When he's explanations are "Well you're wrong"
Oh right that's the same explanations you've said...
Hmm i'm starting to see a pattern here.

No, his explanations are "that's not my point." And he's telling the truth.

[Bins]

I think Bulge's point is "Team 9 is scum because they obviously cannot read what I am saying but idk if their Canadian."

[Bins]

Sakura, honestly, I don't want to go explaining misreps Bulge has clearly tried to explain himself.

[Bins]

It's not an OMGUS reaction at all. He's not voting them because they think he's scum, which is what OMGUS is. He's voting them because they aren't listening to his defenses and are providing a weak case against him.

[Bins]

• blatant misreps around every corner
  
• avoiding questions/refusing to provide proof
  
• jumping to conclusions (confbias)
  
• distancing between heads

Why are people still townreading Team 9?

[Bins]

If you ISO him, he really looks like a genuinely frustrated town player.

[Bins]

But I can read what he's saying? Tbh, I thought all of his explanations for the misreps were pretty clear.

[Bins]

If I go through the fight and pluck out the misreps, I'd just be repeating what Bulge has been saying.

[Bins]

Yeah, Sakura, I really don't give a shit. We haven't been out of game communicating. What's your point?

[Bins]

Okay, I'll go through them, but when I'm on the computer, which will have to be after school.

[Bins]

There are people other than me that are reading his defences and are thinking "town." We don't have to be talking outside of the game to see that.

[Bins]

Did you read davesaz's post?

[Bins]

And Sakura goes "ooooooooooh."

[Bins]

Is he scum too?

[Bins]

Or simply mad!

[Bins]

OR TALKING TO BULGE OUT OF GAME?!

[Bins]

Not sure how you see it as self serving. I may be least active in terms of total post count, but that's because I'm incapable of posting fluff. Look inside my iso and you'll see .

I'm not persuaded.

Are you still happy with your vote on SXTLHGaiden? Why or why not?

As a matter of fact, I am quite satisfied with it. Gaiden is taking great care to post enough to not be force replaced, but doing absolutely nothing pro-town. The only activity worth the name is an OMGUS on me, once it became clear my RVS vote had turned into a real read. Since it seems unlikely that anyone is going to care about this, I suppose I'll eventually drop it and move on. Though the "told you so" will be very sweet if Gaiden turns up scum later. Some might say I could make an equal case for notscience or startfromtheheart. At least they're showing some real activity. Not much, but some.

I have a serious problem with the Bulge wagon. The Bulge claimed that the V/LA time wasn't just limited access, it was next to no access. I know exactly what that is like, have been in similar situations myself. Team 9's case started off being about inactivity, and then turned nasty when Bulge made a mistake, retracted it, and then screwed up an explanation of the retraction. I don't think it's my place to repair the issue, but I'm not convinced at all by Team 9's argument. Lack of eloquence doesn't necessarily equal scumminess.

I agree with an earlier comment (perhaps by you) that having so much posting actually makes it easier for scum to hide. I stated already, at least one scum is certainly active, and I'd be very surprised if they're not among the most active. Having such a deluge of material to wade through will make it very hard to find the lies, and having probtown shoot themselves in the foot isn't going to make it any easier.

If I were to take body of work into account, at this point in time I'd say that Sakura makes sense for scum. This is not based on specific posts, just a general feel based on all the "Team 9 is town and so am I -- you'd better not disagree with us" type material. (note, this may have never been said -- I'm not quoting tonight because I'm in a hurry)

[Bins]

No, it's the damn basis of Team 9's points.

[Bins]

It frustrates you?! It frustrates me! It drives me insane.

IF YOU THINK OUR RELATIONSHIP HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT YOU'VE FINALLY LOST IT.

[Bins]

I just quote it for you.

[Bins]

The PoE was strengthened by inactivity. The posts he made when VLA. You or Team 9 brought it up yourselves.

[Bins]

But my point is that he was not here. You're saying he was doing nothing during a time when he wasn't even here.

no, the point with that was he made like 7 or 8 posts while he was V/LA. and none of them had anything in them

by itself, it wasn't a strong point nor was it intended to be (I just mentioned it bc it was the first thing I picked up on re: Bulge). but regardless, it still doesn't have any effect on the 2nd point which is where the real case started: the part where he started using his lack of content as a shield once we announced we had a POE scumread on him

-Rumia

[Bins]

The PoE should have been addressed anyways. Because the townreads were not explained which led to the PoE. They needed to be.

[Bins]

Bottom line: the Bulge wagon sucks ass. Try a-fucking-gain.

[Bins]

The point of davesaz's post was more that the basis of Team 9's argument is weak. Which is what I am also saying.

[Bins]

Whatever, I'll have him respond to it first before I press more.

[Bins]

I always had a problem with the PoE.

[Bins]

I think someone else mentioned it as well. Like PoE fails something something townreads something something.

[Bins]

Am I to assume you're townreading team 9 then? In which case what does this make you think of david's reasoning re:PoE.

I think the PoE that they're doing is bad, but I don't think they're scum.

[Bins]

I don't know, maybe because I didn't think they would push Bulge that hard and take the PoE so strongly at that time.


I'm going to school, bye bye!

[Bins]

I don't have that mindset and I will deny it and Bulge is town.


Sakura and Team 9 are town in my mind. I've explained Team 9 recently.

[Bins]

But I will do a post up of the misreps and why after school.

[Bins]

Sakura wtf.

[Bins]

Notty wtf.

I'm taking like a two day break from this game.

[Bins]

I got home later tonight, oopsie.

Mod, school has started up again so I will be V/LA for a few days. I will hopefully be able to post, but I will be very busy.

[Bins]

Before I, uh, get into anything. Team 9, has your PoE changed?

[Bins]

Can you explain your townread on Flubber?

[Bins]

Yes, that's usually why you townread someone. Why do you like his posts?

[Bins]

You're asking for Team 9's reads on anyone else in this game but me and expecting an answer?

Hey, shut up, that's not helpful.

[Bins]

Flubber, what's your read on the Bulge and view of the Team 9/Bulge interaction? I don't remember you specifically stating it.

That's another reason I felt... off about him. Will let him answer the question first before I get into it, but I liked your points... I feel like I had similar. But do you have anything more... recent that contributes to your read of him?

[Bins]

ika is definitely town because why would ika-scum jump into the game and completely change directions on his slot's stance on my wagon?

... why is this a question?

-

hehe thanks bert c:

and yes bulge pls plea

[Bins]

i lost the d someone quick make a joke

[Bins]

oh

why did notty hop onto the wagon ;<

[Bins]

Flubber, what's your read on the Bulge and view of the Team 9/Bulge interaction? I don't remember you specifically stating it.

That's another reason I felt... off about him. Will let him answer the question first before I get into it, but I liked your points... I feel like I had similar. But do you have anything more... recent that contributes to your read of him?

Why yes.
But I bet you won't like it when I present it.

Uhm, okay? Why wouldn't I?

[Bins]

Maybe Flubber's just snarky. Ever played with him?

[Bins]

oh

why did notty hop onto the wagon ;<

Because I got called out

and I feel really shitty for Sakura

so

yeah

... so you want Bulge to get lynched?

._.

[Bins]

@team 9, can you answer a question clearly? We don't need to be taking more posts than necessary. What about the post? I don't see it.

[Bins]

No, we are not mislynching - especially since you think he's town - because of this.

[Bins]

Sakura's replacement doesn't want Bulge dead.

You don't owe her anything, anyways.

[Bins]

It's not your fault, notty.

[Bins]

Yeah, she was flipping out. And it was completely undeserved. She had no reason to do that.

[Bins]

Ika, it's important because notty is voting because of it.

And Gaiden, do you like the too scummy to be scum persona or something?

[Bins]

You know, Gaiden I have the biggest gut town read on you and it bugs the fuck out of me.

[Bins]

Ika, what do you think of Team9's wall?

[Bins]

We call this "Sakura's Gaiden Read"
not a bad thing. why does it bug you so?

You know, because, I should be scum reading if I followed like a scum hunters guide.

[Bins]

again this keeps feeling like [redacted] because it's just digging the tunnel deeper into the realm of confbiasing and "well we have the wagon already, might as well use everything to support what i've already said and not consider any other possible scenarios because good job guys this lynch is

locked in

"

I'm the one early in this game who broke the sakura/tn tunnel war by making them consider any other possible scenarios. Do you seriously think i haven't considered other possibility while I was on the bulge?

Throughout my push on him me and pieguy always paused time to time to see if our reasoning is going to the wrong direction, talked about if bulge's posts could be coming from town and if it can come from town with which mindset could it come from, etc. That's why we were always on sync when we were pushing him even though the speed of the push was very fast. I would c/p the entire damn conversation with pie if mod would allow that and show everyone our effort and dare them to prove our reasoning wrong.

We are already aware that the bulge is having trouble with communicating his points.
We are aware that he is most likely to misinterpret our posts and we are also most likely to misinterpret his. We are are also aware that the bulge's rage is very likely to be genuine. However, rage coming from miscommunication is hardly a town-rage. That kind of rage happens regardless of alignment and I'm keep feeling like you guys are just going "omg bulge is town" because of that genuine rage alone. And honestly, that frustrates me greatly. Also I once thought if this is happening because bulge's english is not very good. But he's Canadian. He should be good with English. So then what am I doing wrong? Is my English too bad to properly communicate my opinion to him? Afaik, when I speak, people understand. So I don't think that's a problem. Then where is it going wrong? I know. If bulge would actually TELL ME which posts I am "misreping", then I'll know!

Also, take a look at the bulge's posts so far. "That's not what I said." "That's not what I meant." Well how the hell do I know what he actually meant when that's all he said as every damn time and said assay nothing else? I even threw a recap time to time to show him what I was talking about and he just calls it flawed and.... that's it. Well I'm pretty sure that's not how mafia works and unless the bulge is a complete newbie, he knows that that's not how mafia works too. That's one of the reason why I think he is scum. I think he is deliberately avoiding addressing them by using a "ooh misrep" card. I honestly still don't know how the misunderstanding about the validity of my hypothetical scenario leads to his post calling that I scumread those three names because lurking. When I ask him to explain he just yells "OMG IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING OK???" Well guess what. It doesn't explain it. Few pages ago, when I asked him to clarify what he meant about distancing stuff he changed his words on (hell I didn't even accused him for it this time.) He just goes "MISREP" and when I quoted it for him, he goes like "OMG DONT QUOTE THAT". Well, what the fuck? What am I supposed to think of that? Am I supposed to treat that response as town? If town, what kind of mindset can it ever come from? I literally have zero fucking clue. So it is natural for me to think that the response is probably from scum. "Caught scum flailing." Yeah that explains it pretty well.

"Oh team 9 is tunneling on the bulge" Well fuck them. They didn't even try to tell us why our points are wrong. Hell, for an example, ns even said that he doesn't disagree with us yet called bulge town for "lolsheepbins" and even dared to bring up the vote bet which I take very seriously. I am being labeled as a fucking tunneler when they don't even bother with the points I'm making. At least, when I broke sakura/tn tunnel, I gave them a reason why they should reconsider. I'm not one of those people who goes "but but" after my points gets satisfyingly disproven. I am always willing to talk, discuss, and argue. But what is this shit? Not saying shit when I progress on my push on him only to frame me as some mindless tunneler. FROM MY FUCKING TOWNREADS. Do you know how that feels like? It feels like I'm being stabbed on my back by my family. It feels very bitter and betraying. I am literally shedding tears as I'm writing this piece of my mind.

So this is my ultimatum/final reachout or whatever. You think I'm wrong? Then help me see the right way. Address my posts and explain them to me how those posts can come from town and more likely to come from town. Address the contradictions I mentoned and explain them to me how they are actually not a contradiction and I was missing some obvious points. Otherwise,

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STAY OUT OF MY DAMN WAY

This has been GIF posting, with teardrops of mixed feelings of disappointment, frustration, betrayal, and just pure sadness. Thank you for reading my humble rambling.

-Cirno

[Bins]

Tbh the Canadian part makes me laugh every time.

[Bins]

je peux parler en français

Le bulge wagon est terrible

Oui

Team neuf je ne comprend pas ton argument

[Bins]

你是一个胖猪

[Bins]

She got riled up in between as well. She had had enough of me. I probably pushed her to her peak, you just poked her and she broke. It's not your fault.

[Bins]

can confirm he's terrible at "baseball"

[Bins]

1 minute and 13 seconds?

[Bins]

I sleep too now.

Night all and group hugs!

[Bins]

I haven't read up yet but can we not lynch the Bulge?

[Bins]

Thesp, has Bulge's input not improved now that he is back from his VLA? Did you not like how he responded to Team 9?

[Bins]

VOTE: Flubber

[Bins]

in order for this angle to work, all 3 scum have to be on the Bulge wagon already, since they couldn't be going to form a counterwagon. I get that he thought Thesp was scum, but there would still have to be 2 more scum from his POV.

You misunderstand.

Bulge is a mislynch, and scum don't need to fight it. Prior to us subbing in and Bins speaking up, it looked like it was guaranteed to go through because town was pushing for it, and scum were comfortable with just blending in as town-Team 9 pushed it through. Thus, they had no need to help generate any counterwagon. The quote isn't saying that the Bulge wagon is scum-driven. It's not about the lynchers being scum, it's about the player who scum comfortably saw as a guaranteed lynchee being town.

I agree with this completely.

Team 9, you need to analyze this for a second - if you have, great, but talk to me about it now. If Bulge is town, who are the scum here?

[Bins]

I'm weirded out by how there's no real counterwagon.

This as well.

I don't want a Bulge lynch and I really want to be not on mobile so I can find a better one. But Flubber's vote made me twitch, so I'm reheaded there.

[Bins]

I'm very confident reading Bulge.

FTF, here, I can usually catch him as scum.

[Bins]

That doesn't answer my question.

[Bins]

And every other damn scum read in this game.

Varsoon? "No, I gutread him town."
Flubber? "Haha, no."

[Bins]

Though I admit the Varsoon read has changed.

[Bins]

Read it.

It isn't strong enough.

[Bins]

Tbh it's main point was to figure out if your PoE was good. It solidified that. You're town.

[Bins]

I wanted to go through that argument but it just made me angry.

[Bins]

His posts should read as town or at least not scum now.

[Bins]

Then perhaps you should start by explaining to us how we're misrepping his posts, like you promised yesterday.

I guess it's because I lack motivation to bring that damn tunnel fight back up, but I'll get to it after homework and I address something else.

[Bins]

@22 that was a whole lot of fluff and talk about nothing there

I didn't sign up for this.

Literally did

not

sign up for this.

Majiffy did. I feel no obligation to be here, and therefore I am not going to willingly chain myself to yet another game in which people dismiss my posts as useless, ignore the points behind what I'm saying, and lose themselves in insane confbias, hypocrisy, and stubbornness. I actually thought I might be able to work with your slot once Sakura replaced out. But this is even worse.

I'm done with impossible battles.

Replace me out.

This is what I want to address. But I have homework right now, but I am so done with this. And no, not the replace out. I'm done with impossible battles.

You guys don't understand it, I think, when you're the ones doing it. But there have been moments in this game which make the game less fun... and really don't help the game at all. You think you're pushing a scumread, but you're not. All it looks like is that you're not listening. And worse, you're letting scum relax. Because I am, in fact, town reading most of the Bulge wagon. I think it's the scum that have found it easy to coast by and maybe hop on naturally. And you are so stuck on this stupid case that you don't even notice this.

Impossible fucking battles. I hate them so much. They make me want to break down and cry sometimes.

That's what I see in Bulge.

Maybe not in the crying, but in his complete reaction to your case on him. He thinks the exact thing town would think in that situation, "You're crazy, you won't shut up, and you've completely got it wrong."

Because TEAM 9, if he is town. Yeah, IF HE'S TOWN, what the hell is he supposed to say? "Oh, yeah, you're completely right but I'm not scum." No, he's supposed to say EXACTLY WHAT HE'S SAYING. Because he is town, and he's reacting completely like a town. You're twisting his words, so what is he saying? "THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT." Which is the truth. Why can't that be the truth that you aren't seeing Team 9?

God, Sakura does it too and it's horrible. I was going to replace out of this game but I knew I had to try and steer this fucking wagon in the right direction. But again, you're shutting that down.

Thesp is right. Thesp is 100% right. You can be wrong sometimes.

[Bins]

22 is town.

[Bins]

22, there's sometimes going to be that one person that won't get it, but yeah, I don't scumread you. And I'm listening to what you've been saying this game.

[Bins]

There's nothing to "buy", it's not an act.

[Bins]

Actually, fuck, you know what. I'm going to try and work with you guys at least.

VOTE: Varsoon

I was only slightly townreading him because of your comment anyways.

[Bins]

Impossible fucking battles.

It's not impossible battle. It's an im passe.
Like, check my ISO. There should be 3 pages. Check page 3. Read that page. Do you see me pushing the Bulge in that whole page? No.
I've been asking how the gaps in the bulge's thought process can possibly come from town. I even singled out when the Bulge wanted a short list of why I think he' s scum.
Instead of answering my question, people have been just yelling at me for "OMG BULGE IS TOWN BECAUSE HOW FRUSTRATED HE LOOKS SDFKLJASDLKFJDSKLFJDLSKF"

I'm not going to try to convince, tbh. I've made my point clear on why I think he's town. The misreps have been pointed out already, by him. I suggest you go back now and try to understand them. Because I do.

[Bins]

I don't want to go lynching the Doc but Bulge's case makes sense...

[Bins]

my pm assures me i am town though...

But we're called civilians this time around.


If I replace out, can I be hard-read as town, too?


Honestly, I don't have much to contribute to this game. I feel weak.
Bulge, I know I've been sheeping T9 for awhile

and T9 is a hard town read for me,

but would you be weirded out if I joined your wagon on T9?

VOTE: Team 9

then

why

[Bins]

HOW ABOUT THIS: IS HIS MINDSET TOWN?

NO.
He relies on semantics on everything to "disproves that he's scum" not "prove he's town".
When not being attacked,

he have been laid back not doing jack shit.

IS THIS MINDSET TOWN?

THIS WAS SO 50 PAGES AGO

[Bins]

fuckidy fuck
fuck
dhsaidhaslkd sajdwq nksaxm,z.

TN, are you scumreading Gaiden? Please, I can't remember.

[Bins]

HOW ABOUT THIS: IS HIS MINDSET TOWN?

NO.
He relies on semantics on everything to "disproves that he's scum" not "prove he's town".
When not being attacked,

he have been laid back not doing jack shit.

IS THIS MINDSET TOWN?

THIS WAS SO 50 PAGES AGO

Then check his ISO. What have he been doing when he wasn't pushing me?

[Bins]

HOW ABOUT THIS: IS HIS MINDSET TOWN?

NO.
He relies on semantics on everything to "disproves that he's scum" not "prove he's town".
When not being attacked,

he have been laid back not doing jack shit.

IS THIS MINDSET TOWN?

THIS WAS SO 50 PAGES AGO

Then check his ISO. What have he been doing when he wasn't pushing me?

INVALID. What have you been doing instead of pushing him?

The same amount of other stuff that he's been doing.

[Bins]

why did it do that

[Bins]

Defending Flubber, sorting 22, trolling ika, asking people to explain why the gap from the bulge's thought process can come from town.
So what have been bulge doing instead of pushing me, Bins? Shall I quote them for you?

You're blind.




... and I actually can see TN scum. I just looked at the hop on the Bulge wagon. Plus the town read on me day 1... and... wow. There's so many options now.

[Bins]

If Team 9 is actually Doc, we would be committing suicide.

[Bins]

Ok I'm not gonna get into this because I just woke up. But a couple questions.

1. Team 9, is your read on me still PoE? If not, can you present a short point-form list similar to mine against you?
2. Sakura I'd like an original thought from you that did not come from Team 9.
3. 22 are you only town reading me because you see parallels in my frustration and your own as town?
4. Bins is Sakura scum? Why is Team 9 town?

Also it's awkward because I'm actually really good at English (and yes it is my first language). Grammar is my thing. I'm known in all my English classes for being the one who knows all the grammar rules. I love languages. But when it comes to persuasive writing, I'm awful. That plus the fact that I don't take so much time writing posts or editing them. Part of my frustration is because of this.

Your missing a bunch of stuff. This is just one of them.

Seriously, I can't believe you.

[Bins]

*you're

[Bins]

Wait, fuck. Something just occured to me.

I forgot to point out that I found the claim odd for one reason. Team 9 didn't have to claim. It seemed sort of panicked.

I had forgotten that my PM said Civilian instead of Town. I probably would have answered wrong if you had put a gun to my head.

[Bins]

EXCLUDING HIS DEFENSE (AND BY THAT I MEAN EVERYTHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME) YOU TWIT

WHY?

ARE YOU NOT A LEGIT SCUMREAD TO PUSH?

HOW THE FUCK DOES TOWN BULGE FEEL ABOUT YOUR PUSH ON YOU THEN? EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT HIS. THAT IT'S NOT FUCKING RIGHT AND USEFUL TO THE FUCKING GAME.

[Bins]

YES FOR I'VE BEEN BLEEDING DOCTOR PARANOIA IN THIS GAME FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW
I EVEN CRUMBED MY ROLE AND THOUGHT IT WAS A BAD CRUMB WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO QUOTE THE CRUMB?

WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T YOU YET

[Bins]

Fucking hell, can't we just get you cop investigated or something? I don't want to lynch the MAYBE doctor.

[Bins]

Fucking hell, can't we just get you cop investigated or something? I don't want to lynch the MAYBE doctor.

And out the cop D2?

The cop only needs to out if Team 9 is scum.

I'm not fucking killing the maybe doctor.

And Team 9, you're being more antitown than anyone else in this game right now. You can't possibility think that killing yourself would be good. You make the Cop MACHO if you are telling the truth.

[Bins]

Thanks, Thesp. Basically what I was trying to say but the black & bold font is a lot more effective.

[Bins]

I think I'm down to {Varsoon, TN, and Flubber} today for my lynch choices.

[Bins]

BOTH OF YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT EACH OTHER WE ARE NOT LYNCHING EITHER ONE OF YOU 2 MORONS. PICK SOMEONE ELSE HOW ABOUT THAT FOR A CHANGE OF PACE?

^

[Bins]

when I flip civ

i think im picky but this irks me

[Bins]

me
Bins
Bulge
22slot
ika
Team 9
Thesp
Dave
Bert

very much +1 agree

[Bins]

Town
me
Bins
Bulge
22slot
ika
Team 9
Thesp
Dave
Bert

Not town
Everyone else

here is mine

[Bins]

BOTH OF YOU SHUT UP AND LETS GO AT TN INSTEAD. IT CAN BE SORTED OUT OVER N1

TN is town.
ISO me to find me explaining about how Sakura/TN wall war have been TvT. It's in page 1 of my ISO, past the middle of the page.

I don't think ika is interested in a logical discussion. I really wish we had Sakura back.

you're funny q_______________q

[Bins]

also if either bulge or t9 come out here and bicker again i will pull out the ultimate anti-town thing: outing the cop

i dont want to push this in anyway but how the fuck does this make sense?

[Bins]

I've learned not to WK as scum. Yet I still WK Bulge whenever I know we're the same faction.

[Bins]

my scum team is still tn, varsoon, flubber w/ maybe dave as the extra

[Bins]

I've learned not to WK as scum.

Yet I still WK Bulge whenever I know we're the same faction.

and you know this here how?

as i've stated i'm very VERY VEEERY confident with reading bulge

[Bins]

anyone else? i'd never do something like this

[Bins]

ika replaced sakura right?

man that's fucking surprising

[Bins]

nah berts the only one that understaaaands

[Bins]

also if either bulge or t9 come out here and bicker again i will pull out the ultimate anti-town thing: outing the cop

i dont want to push this in anyway but how the fuck does this make sense?

it will shut everyone up b/c theres a lot more to this then you think.

no i dont see any possible way this makes sense

[Bins]

my problem with voting varsoon now that i think of it (im voting him now) is that i only see him as a partner to certian people

wow im so wishywashy this game

[Bins]

Can we not

Spoiler:

That talk last night made me blush and it's not even about me

[Bins]

welcome replacement~

[Bins]

rest in peace, sweet, sweet varsoon wagon

[Bins]

No, I'm pretty sure I'm still a shit player

NOTTY

[Bins]

I'm not

Because I've been debating it for a while.

feels

tbh it's getting better but i'm half ignoring ika

[Bins]

except when he's trolling bulge because that's entertaining

[Bins]

your poe isn;t shite because its my poe )))

and ika it was a jokee im sorry bad timing D:

[Bins]

i honestly feel like the mood in this game has gotten better or maybe ive just stepped from out of the storm cloud

or maybe i should just not play with sakura anymore if .. if she comes back

[Bins]

ill stop talking sorry

[Bins]

I HAD TITUS FIGURED AS SCUM SO I'M LISTENING TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT TITUS

i think i backed off too much because of the rl problems and then thesp came in and he was ok but not great but ok

[Bins]

yeah he should read thesps posts because thats what made me feel better about the slot

[Bins]

Fucking hell, can't we just get you cop investigated or something? I don't want to lynch the MAYBE doctor.

Soooo you want the cop to out?

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if I'm even going to bother to look back as to who has suggested a play where the cop outs within the next day, but they're all getting scum points if I get around to it.

yes i think the cop should claim once they get a guilty

not an inno

[Bins]

well if a lynch is about to happen and he has an inno then sure ?

[Bins]

if cop has 2 guilties he should announce and we POE

?

wouldmt we just lynch the two guilties

[Bins]

uhm alternating guilty claims will confuse the fuck out of everyone

why are we fakeclaiming guilties??

[Bins]

hmm tbh i like it

try to make the claims as believable as you can. like, someone you would investigate if you were the cop, etcetc

pedit - inb4 dave is cop and we're fucked

[Bins]

ughh my problem is that what if theres three people with a correct result on scum. the scum just has an easy time picking off the cop.

[Bins]

... wagon?

I'll probably hop somewhere else but I haven't finished reading up.

I'm currently in a lot of pain because I pulled something in my leg... but actually, that will maybe mean I'll be confined to a chair and can actually get to looking more indepth.

How are you reading Titus' replace out, Grey? Scummy or just null or don't wanna look at that?

[Bins]

WANNA KNOW WHY

I think I pulled it because I'm playing Hellen Keller in drama. And at one point the girl playing Annie has to basically grab, throw and drag me accross the room. I think I just hit the ground too fast and ripped something in my thigh.

[Bins]

Technically yeah, it was definitely my fault I got hurt.

[Bins]

Well, shit. That deadline was a lot closer that expected.

Gray, I thought Titus was scummy as well, I was just wondering because I thought that Titus enjoyed scum, so idk. But it was medical so it's kind of null now in my book.

[Bins]

UNVOTE:

HMMM.

[Bins]

To be perfectly honest, I've liked Varsoon's posting now (about the Cop stuff and Team 9 doing that fakeclaim thing), but I can also see what Team 9 is saying. Doesn't seem scummy to me, and the gut feeling I was getting in his posts is looking more like just his wonderful personality. (c;)

[Bins]

Prodded The Bulge.

This makes me laff evertim.

[Bins]

Bulge, what do you think of Thesp?

[Bins]

Can you not be voting Team 9?

[Bins]

this is long overdue

town

the bulge
ika
greyICE (22/xxxxxx/bitmap)
notscience
team 9

SXTLHGaiden
startfromtheheart

Varsoon
davesaz

Varsoon
Thesp (replacing Titus)
tn5421*
Flubbernugget

scum

[Bins]

ono varsoon twice. should be the top one.

[Bins]

i probably should have relooked the over

start above gaiden, but those are both kind of "well null but yeah."

[Bins]

rude you didn't even fix the varsoon placement

[Bins]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo........

[Bins]

That, and I can see what ICE is saying.

[Bins]

VOTE: Thesp

[Bins]

L-1

\

btw we broke the record for most day 1 posts for an open game or something so uh

[Bins]

i'd like to thank the academy for my repeat victory of this award

we need to get you a freaking title that's about fluff

[Bins]

Bins: Why are you scumreading me, bins?

Because PoE is a magical thing plus you're scummy sometimes and that makes me sad.

[Bins]

It's very flipfloppy between the two extremes, actually. I don't want to lynch you (that's not going to happen) today for that reason.

[Bins]

oh and btw

if anyone is sheeping Bins' meta read on Bulge, note that Bulge doesn't have a completed scum game.

-Rumia

He does?