InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

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This vote count is depressing. Couldn't lynch Shroomish last game day. Can't lynch him today, I wonder why....

Who would you prefer between the other wagons?

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Unvote, Vote xofelf

For whatever reason. this scared the fuck out of me. Yes, I'm drunk.

Are you scum?

Nah. I just gave up on my Oversoul lynch a long time ago and can see xofelf as scum and want to get a lynch through. Read my posts from the last few RL days and you'll see it.

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Oversoul, I tried shos and there was no momentum. Xofelf was next best. I don't care for the shroom and abomination wagons that much and really don't like the Y+B one.

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I won't flip scum. I will flip as the role I claimed. Because I haven't lied about a thing.

Who are your top six picks for scum?

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Y and B: Their so called easily confirmable role hasn't been confirmed yet.
PA: I know she can post better than she has. Last time she did the prod dodge super busy dance she was scum. I don't normally meta, but her tone feels the same.

Otherwise most other people are fairly null. Not too many people are giving off vibes of hiding things or blatantly lying. Or their posts have them fluctuate back and forth with feeling townie and feeling scummy.

So on page 215 you have two reads?

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How about xofelf doesn't answer that question but we pick who hammers anyway and if someone else hammers, we treat them as confirmed scum

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That discussion may have led to her claiming she has or does not have a shard though. It's better to get to that end result before anything dumb happens. And the longer we wait to lynch, the easier it is for scum to come on and say "uhhh L-1, is our hammerer here? Fuck it. Deadline hammer". And now they could have a shard.

I still like Mala for the hammer.

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I vote me. Considering I am unpoiaonable and I think that is how the kill works. With that I can just stack up on shards and not die. Giving town the most power. Over the shards.

^no

Nero, mala because she's town.

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Nero, do we know Molla is town?

Goat, so you were hoping she'd be caught fakeclaiming one when she was about to be lynched anyway?

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Vote Oversoul

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I don't have my shard anymore.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

Scum can steal it without killing me.

unvote, vote Prohawk

He knows why.

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Also if Mala was scum, penguin gets lynched after neil. But I think that was scum's kill.

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Nero,

Come close

Closer

*whispers: "I don't trust Prohawk with notscience's shard"*

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I didn't know shards were involved. All I knew was that he targeted notscience. Part of me was still thinking he might be a protective role. But when notscience said he lost a shard, I took it to be almost the same situation as tracking scum to a kill.

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I guess you should claim your other results too

My role isn't as simple as just "tracker".

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Honestly, I'd rather scum think I'm a full tracker lol. Waste their NK and shit.

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Shos, there is no reason to ask Prohawk about other shards.

Oversoul, seriously, who expects their top scum read to be performing a scum kill? I went for someone under the radar who if I were scum I would send to perform the kill.

So I still say we lynch Prohawk. Just in case he is telling the truth, hammer should be neil if mala flips town. If mala flips scum, I'd say notscience just because it was his shard to begin with and we've now confirmed that he had it, so it can't hurt to give it back I'd think. A protective role needs to be on whoever hammers. Like absolutely needs to. No exceptions. I wish I could personally help, but I have no action to use tonight.

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Majiffy, I think the only way shos can be SK if he poisons AND kills. Do you think that's the case or is there another theory for three kills?

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Kagami, I actually claimed one action taken:
-tracked Prohawk to notscience N3

Preview edit: mhork, I have slightly more patience than you lol

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Axtually in closely reading there IS an explanation. The scum JK made both fail, and I did not see him because he is HUMAN. The ability says I will be told id i was targetted by demon or undead - so I misinterpretted it earlier and now weknow what that means, and it has no mention of humans.

Majiffy, fix your shit to 3 days, since dq was a scumlynch. Wonder how you will react when I am copped or dead..

What kind of JK not only stops investigations, but also does it without targetting you?

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Ok, so you only see demons. Still, why would a JK stop you from being investigated? What kind of JK is this

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Shos, Not in my experience. I've always known it to RB+protect. And probably around 95% of my games are from mafiascum.

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EM jk is what youre describing shos.

That would explain why I've never heard of it.

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Mods of my games must have not gotten the memo

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I think Mhork is the only one who will claim undead.

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I feel like if anyone was going to back it, they would have already done it though.

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Oversoul, why can't mhork be scum?

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flip flip flip~

Should be coming

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VOTE: Young and Beautiful

Yeah, this head needs to catch up majorly. This dies unless it got confirmed.

It did. By BBMolla.

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Are you really saying I haven't scum hunted this game. My result on you is a possible guilty. I usually vote those.

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Are you really saying I haven't scum hunted this game. My result on you is a possible guilty. I usually vote those.

Who is this to?

Prohawk.

Also, Abom's flip is interesting

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Shards

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He did claim that, yes.

Serene kill shouldn't be claimed if town.

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shos 7 (Moogle Dance Troupe, BulbaFenix, Majiffy, ProHawk, TSO, BBmolla, Egg)
Abomination 5 (shos, Mist7676, Young and Beautiful, Katsuki, Nero Cain)

^initial shos wagon should have like two scum. Even if he is SK, scum don't know that.

shos 7 (Moogle Dance Troupe, BulbaFenix, Majiffy, ProHawk, TSO, BBmolla, Nero Cain)
xofelf 5 (geists, shos, Egg, ActionDan, Always)
Nero Cain 4 (Abomination, Squirrel Girl, Mist7676, AngryIcerink)
Rhaego 4 (beastcharizard, Lord Mhork, Squirrel Girl, Svenskt Stål)

^this Rhaego wagon should be town. Then again, Mhork later shifts it from 5-4 to 6-3 between shos and rhaego.

shos 8 (BulbaFenix, Majiffy, Venmar, Lord Mhork, Mist7676, The Goat, AngryIcerink, neil1113)
xofelf 5 (Egg, ActionDan, Moogle Dance Troupe, BBmolla, shos)
Lemniscate 5 (Squirrel Girl, Svenskt Stål, ProHawk, Nero Cain, geists)

Shos was at 5. 3 votes pile on. Goat or neil for scum? Probably neil between the two.

Lemniscate 11 (Squirrel Girl, Svenskt Stål, ProHawk, geists, Always, Moogle Dance Troupe, The Goat, shos, ActionDan, Lord Mhork, HighShroomish)
shos 8 (BulbaFenix, Majiffy, Mist7676, neil1113, Egg, Nero Cain, Young and Beautiful, Abomination)

Shos was up 8-5 before this vote count. Moogle and Goat probtown. Possible bus in actiondan/mhork/shroom

Lemniscate 12 (Squirrel Girl, ProHawk, Always, Moogle Dance Troupe, The Goat, shos, ActionDan, HighShroomish, BBmolla, beastcharizard, Katsuki, Nero Cain)
Mist7676 7 (Birds of Prey, Svenskt Stal, notscience, geists, Abomination, neil1113, Lemniscate)

The mist wagon was a "don't lynch lemni" wagon. I was gonna say I like at least two scum here, but hey look, both of our flipped scum are already there

Hmm. Thought I'd be able to get nice info from a quick glance at Day 1 wagons. Gonna have to dig deeper I think.

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He did claim that, yes.

Serene kill shouldn't be claimed if town.

I think the opposite. If we have two vigs, that makes no sense. If the killer of Serene doesn't claim they can't claim vig under duress.

But they now have a shard

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Are you really saying I haven't scum hunted this game. My result on you is a possible guilty. I usually vote those.

Who is this to?

Prohawk.

Also, Abom's flip is interesting

Explain this please.

Scum had a one shot jewel thief. Brings up some questions, especially after Prohawk's claim. Do they have multiple jewel thieves? Could Prohawk be a town jewel thief to counter this? Basically, I can't come up with immediate conclusions, but it has me thinking quite a bit. I want to be careful what I say about it though because shards are apparently pretty sensitive info.

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It's actually not a bad question for a yes/no.

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It's actually not a bad question for a yes/no.

How did you get a "guilty" on ProHawk?

I tracked him to notscience who had a shard stolen from him. The only way Prohawk is town is if town has a jewel thief. That's basically the million dollar question right now.

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Also, how could shos have made the vig kill? If shos gets an ability to use on the next night related to flavor, how could have serene given shos a kill when he seems to be a VT?

Shos shot Abomination, not Serene. The kill came from the night before though.

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Not really. Shos' role hurts my head. But his ability to kill last night was public knowledge yesterday. And he said he was killing Bulb or Abomination. And didn't get blocked. And Y+B didn't get blocked either.

My track claim came before Prohawk's claim.

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Birds, where do you get that serene was a puppet?

And remember that The Goat, who also targetted shos, was blocked.

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Birds, shos said the kill he got had nothing to do with Sven/Serene.

Muffin, the Mist wagon came like 24 hours from deadline if I remember correctly. There wasn't really enough time to get it through.

Kagami, I thought they were masons too. Neil and Penguin, in your QT, who suggested crumbing masons?

Birds, no one is saying shos is mafia. Those of us attacking him suspect him of being SK.

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Oversoul, the arguement for shos SK is that he can poison (Serene) and got an extra kill last night (Abomination). So basically they were his N2 and N3 kills. Also, do you really think there are two scum neighbors? I can see one, but two? I don't know about that.

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Unvote, Vote Aronis

Bulb went nowhere Night 1. That's why I wanted him to claim when Shos was going to shoot him.

This is more of a sure guilty than my Prohawk result because it caught a lie.

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That might make Prohawk town. If scum was trying to out the real doc, it's probably so they can get shards. Doc should be on Prohawk tonight.

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Correct.

On Prohawk, why fakeclaim doc out of the blue? They wanted to out the real doc to kill them and then Prohawk the next night for (a) shard(s). At least that's my theory. Why else do it? That claim was competely unprompted.

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could you have gotten rb'ed and not know it?

No.

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Redirect is technically possible but goes way against Occam's Razor.

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How does it make sense that Mhork is a one shot watcher and we have a multiple shot tracker?

I'm not an every night tracker. One shot watcher isn't that strong. It's not an overpowered combo in a large. I've entertained the idea in my head of Mhork scum though.

Preview edit: If a were a scum redirecter, I'd redirect Y+B to scum. Hell, they may have even done that, but that still leaves Bulb/Aronis.

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My action wasn't stopped. I got a result on Bulb for sure.

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Y+b should hammer

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I still want protection tonight

That's not what she said

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Hell no. Y and B shouldn't hammer.

Why?

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Hell no. Y and B shouldn't hammer.

Why?

Because they are likely scum. They are still pissed at my suspicion and the fact they'll have to keep handing out their friendly neighbor to people when it likely doesn't exist. As long as I'm here, they aren't conftown. A real town wouldn't be bothered by me suspecting them.

If you believe this, BBMolla absolutely has to be scum too

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I personally think the hammering=gets shard thing is bogus, but that could just be me.

Also, random thought while I was doing some re-reading... if you knew you were the person doing the poisoning, would you early-claim poison-proof?

Still no harm in planning hammers just in case.

And no, I'd want to distance myself from poison. Wouldn't even mention it.

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Wait when did Nero get confirmed? And why are Majiffy and Neil claiming? And massclaim already?

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Lol

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Birds, I actually said that redirect is technically possible.

I agree everyone should check in. Would hate to see a guilty result not announced or something like that.

And I'd still rather Y+B hammer, but I won't bitch and moan if notscience gets it.

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I'm alive?

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Vote neil

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ISO him. Skim votes. He's been all over xofelf and shos (top wagons), joined the Mist flashwagon when Lem was being lynched, called Lem a second choice, but unless I'm missing it, never once voted Lem, Abom, or Aronis. I ignored him because I thought Mastin was crumbing mason. Hell, he kind of was. But this might be the best way to go today.

Also, I'm a 2-shot tracker so I'm as useless at night as a prostitute with no genetalia.

Preview edit: Oversoul, I track under the radar players. That's not you. Bulb on N1 and Prohawk on N3 fit that perfectly. That's why I chose them. If I was scum with them, I'd send them to do the kill so that made them good players to track in my opinion. Why are you questioning this anyway? Are you about to argue that I bussed Aronis yesterday?

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Shos he's saying his slot voted Aronis and Lem, but not mist and xofelf.

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What's everyone's thoughts on Prohawk? Was Aronis trying to out a doc so they could kill him for shards? Or was it just a dumb random lucky moment? If the second, is Prohawk likely scum for stealing notscience's shard?

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Shos, pretty sure no one thinks you are mafia at this point. But Ascetic odd night poisoning, even night killing empathetic SK is still possible.

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ah crap. I forgot to add the =====SCUM===== in Aronis.

anyway. look at his spoiler, in the quote I put there.

he claimed to have targetted Zmuffin N3. after he knew we have an odd-night tracker. wanna bet scumAronis used his 1s poison doc on muffin N3 and was making sure that if he was tracked he's still good?

Now that they've used two of their fakeclaims, they cannot use the third, so wonder what the next fakeclaims will be..

I'll bet 'VT with flavor indicating why I am a VT' is one

Wait, we have a two-shot tracker AND an odd night tracker? How did I miss this?

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So is the odd night tracker? I kind of want to vote them because it doesn't make sense for them to exist with my role.

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Shos, no. My role is all used up.

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Huh?

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All I was saying is that I'm a two shot tracker so I don't believe an odd night tracker exists

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I claimed on Day 4. They knew I didn't have a shot left. I said so in thread.

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Although maybe I should have tried to WIFOM them and hold on to that info. I just figured it was pointless because I thought they we killing me anyway

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btw, the goat is town.

Why?

Prohawk, that's why I listed the two possibilites. That's all I can think of. Either he wanted to out the doc, in which case you are probably town OR it was just random and dumb which says absolutely nothing about you.

Y+B, Prohawk could steal shards from scum, keeping them in town hands. And I can understand why he'd steal notscience's as town, but I'll let him answer.

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One other thing I have been thinking about, is a double-voter pretty much confirmed town as the mod essentially confirms the role? Are there scum-double-voters?

I've seen them before. It's rare, but not unheard of

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Shos, that would make it the perfect fakeclaim

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Shos, I didn't even realize that was Lemni's flip lol. I'm also 2 shot non consecutive (why I tracked N3 and not N2) so Lem's role was designed to go directly against mine. Guess I wasn't meant to catch the NK.

What is the argument for massclaim?

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I think Muffin is town

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Majiffy what is your read on shos

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Just kidding lol

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PA / venmar

neil / clyton

either of them (or both of them) scum?

someone give me cliffs notes because i have zero intention of reading anything this game

As much as I try not to outguess the Mod, that was my first thought when Mala flipped neighbor, not mason. And no one answered my question about whose idea it was to play like masons. The mason crumbs were the only reason I gave both slots a pass.

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Ok.

Unvote, Vote Oversoul

for now then

I hate the idea that a game can be broken by flavorgaming, but it seems to be working so far, especially with Mala already flipping.

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Maybe we should just have a mass flavor claim and Kagami can tell us who is scum...

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No other scum are stupid enough to fake-claim undead town.

But if not their safeclaims, what will they claim?

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we should still get a claim from muffin

every time you ask for it, it delays me wanting to do it by another 24 hours

Lmao

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Kagami, why are Mhork, Prohawk, and Muffin on your near confirmed by role list?

Bbmolla, why does Prohawk's claim make him town?

Beast, didn't Actiondan bring up poison before you?

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Shos, I vote you vig Oversoul or Prohawk.

Also thought my posts made it obvious I don't want massclaim

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I thought we had this conversation on like Day 1...

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Can't help but notice how the wagon is full of townish looking players.

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Who do you think was bussing Lemin?

I actually think scum cooked up her claim of masons

in their thread

, so I think, especially at the beginning they were trying to save her. If scum were on her wagon, it was after it was obvious she was still going to be lynched after a mason claim.

Is this a slip of knowledge that scum have an onsite private topic rather than a quicktopic?

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I've actually never had an onsite one before.

If I'm scum, why did I claim a guilty on Aronis when he wasn't about to be lynched and I was pretty widely townread anyway?

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I mean I guess you could argue that I'm SK, but I'd still have to have knowledge that Bulb went nowhere Night 1 and where'd I get that if I'm SK

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unvote, vote prohawk

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Prohawk and Oversoul are the only lynches I want right now

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You conveniently ignored the idea that Aronis' claim being dumb luck means his claim doesn't affect your alignment. Which means I'm back to square one where my result is a sort of guiltyish.

Honestly, I'd still rather lynch Oversoul, but I can see it's not going to happen which makes a lynch on you and Shos vig on Oversoul ideal.

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I've actually already discussed the scum jewel thief flip. As soon as it came up, I said it was interesting, was asked why, and explained it. Your play hasn't reallyleft an impression on me. And my reads on other players should be pretty clear (feel free to ask me to clarify any that aren't). I think the Rhaego crumb was something I misunderstood. I think Actiondan said he'd rather look elsewhere and I took it as a crumb, but he later voted Rhaego and didn't back off (could be wrong, this is all from memory alone). Looking back though, it can be looked at the same way as my points against Kat in a way. Like he may have been planning to claim masons with the slot and later abandoned it.

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Birds, I can see Actiondan scum on process of elimination alone. I remember voting him at the start of Day 2, but I don't remember why and I feel like he addressed my concerns just fine.

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Took a look back. I voted him because he said don't kill Rhaego and I took it as a mason crumb, but he said he thought Rhaego was lie detecter.

Preview edit: I mostly ignored you vs Y+B because it's pretty pointless.

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Like I'm not gonna listen to anything suggesting Y+B is scum unless BBMolla flips scum first.

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Who said I knew Y+B to be scum? I personally don't see it

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Great! But what if I'm townreading both players?

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Well if your case is his voting record, I must be scum too because our votes are near identical, at least on Day 1. The no lynch thing was explained. He was frustrated because we weren't getting a lynch through.

I haven't seen a single good point made against him and people have tried. And his reaction to xofelf's claim was definitely "oh shit, someone claimed my role". Like I don't see scum having that reaction. Even if he was scum JOAT, it would make him nervous about claiming it I'd think. You don't want to throw out "one of me/X is scum" if you are scum and that's exactly what he did. I just can't see it. He's obvtown in my eyes which makes Y+B obvtown as well.

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Great! But what if I'm townreading both players?

If you cannot follow me, discuss it rationally with me.
If you cannot follow me, vote another player who isn't town.

unvote, vote oversoul

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Wasn't xof lynched for the whole 'there can only be one town JOAT' argument though?

No. That's not at all why I wanted her head in a noose.

^

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I said Oversoul is town Pick someone who isn't town or at least could be scum.

I disagree

Your explanation on Molla's frustration makes zero sense. He is frustrated he's not getting a lynvh so he argues for a no lynch. That's logically inconsistent. It's like saying I really don't want the opposing team to score in Hockey so we play without a goal keeper.He should have pushed xoelf hard and the worst case scenario is no lynch. He argues no lynch to be less obvious as Lemni's buddy after the flip.

People have weird ways of making a point. You saying this is almost like voting someone for pulling the ol' fake dayvig thing because they fakeclaimed.

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Kagami, If she was SK, why not just kill Molla?

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Explain to me why a 6 headed hydra and noob scum would think it's a good idea to chainsaw their buddy. That's the vote pattern.

Which buddy is this? And why would someone being a hydra make them less likely to do that?

Scum do CC town Day 1. Doubly so if they have to for their fakeclaim to be viable. Triply so if they need a townie looking scum for YnB

This is pretty much a basic "How not to play as scum". In theory, if you make xofelf vs BBMolla out to be a 1v1, this confirms two scum. I just happen to not think it was as simple as a 1v1. Some people must agree with me because BBMolla wasn't speedlynched when xofelf flipped town.

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Oh, and now that I'm on a computer instead of phone for once:

That's pretty reaching for a slip. A thread is a thread regardless of it being in a QT or onsite, but by all means, scum bring it on. Sorry that

you can't hit scum on all your targets Egg

. As much as you wish it to be so, my role PM won't magically change.

My last 4 games as a town power role:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=48144
One shot vig. Killed scum N2

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=38509
One shot watcher. Caught scum role blocking the claimed cop

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=40595
Cop. Got a guilty on bjc

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=40262
tracked scum to kill N1

So yeah, me catching two scum on two shots is entirely possible, I think.

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Make that list completely backwards and I pretty much agree. Like make all the town reads scum reads and all the scum reads town reads.

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I'm gonna catch up later today but probably won't have much to say. I've been skimming and it seems like it's mostly shos assuming massclaim is a good idea and Birds trying to get us to lynch town.

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Maybe scum have an ascetic instead of a roleblocker.

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^^^BC, I want the rest od your claimzors

I think this is to me. I am Sango.

So you are ONLY poisonproof? What is the name of the ability?

Scumhunt please. The game is not breakable by flavor.

You and I both know you as the SK are playing to a scum wincon today as there are too many town for you to cut through otherwise.

They shouldn't be. Town numbers drop easier than scum numbers do.

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Egg,

What is your read on Prohawk, Beast, Squirrel Girl and Majiffy?

Scum, maybe scum, weak town, town

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No one is saying BBMolla looks town.

I DID

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Changed my mind

Unvote, Vote Birds

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Birds, I answered that here:

Well if your case is his voting record, I must be scum too because our votes are near identical, at least on Day 1. The no lynch thing was explained. He was frustrated because we weren't getting a lynch through.

I haven't seen a single good point made against him and people have tried. And his reaction to xofelf's claim was definitely "oh shit, someone claimed my role". Like I don't see scum having that reaction. Even if he was scum JOAT, it would make him nervous about claiming it I'd think. You don't want to throw out "one of me/X is scum" if you are scum and that's exactly what he did. I just can't see it. He's obvtown in my eyes which makes Y+B obvtown as well.

Prohawk, yeah that's serious. Why wouldn't it be?

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Seriously, you get town from a CC to known town?

Either a) BBMolla's claim can coexist with xoelf or 2) it was a cc both xoelf and BBMolla cannot be town.

A)

although...

Umm I dunno, maybe because Y&B claimed to have been ROLE BLOCKED and considering no one has claimed being a role blocker, it doesn't seem to be the logical conclusion that scum would have ascetic INSTEAD of a RB, but then again you think I am scum for stealing a shard so not entirely surprised.

This is a pretty fair point. Y+b was rb'd. Where is this roleblocker for nights 2-4? I know one night BBMolla and The Goat claimed possibly RB'd, but that seemed more related to shos' and Molla's roles.

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I was definitely roleblocked night 3, I clarified with mod.

Ok

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unvote, vote oversoul

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You guys talk too much

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Egg, you want me to shut up? Stop voting town.

There's a pool of five or six people. Vote them.

Your pool is all town

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Kagami, if I was scum and knew I might have come into possession of a shard (bc let's face it scum ascetic would be sent for kills), I would research or ask the mod for a new fakeclaim. The fact Egg tracked Aronis when he claimed not to move should be sufficient to prove my point but you are scum anyway probably.

Zmuffin, yeah you were scum that game. You of all people should see the parallels and vote for someone who actually could be scum.

Ok, I see what you're trying to say. Problem is that you're not an ascetic. I think you commuted or something night 1 and made a big show of not being targetable, while hoping that someone had targeted you.

I would claim commuter if I was a scum commuter. There is no point to embellishment as any result is an auto guilty. I lead a flawless victory and survived to endgame while being a mafia suicide bomber and claiming suicide bomber.

Why is this any different with ascetic?

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Egg, I do not get your question.

You said if you were scum ascetic, you'd claim commuter. Now you're saying you'd just roleclaim truthfully as commuter or suicide bomber. So why do you claim you'd lie about your role as scum asceitic (and this ignores how similar ascetic and commuter are anyway).

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Also holy shit you guys are hurting the game by posting so much. I'm working doubles all next week and if we're not at night, I'm fucked because I can barely keep up with shit tons of free time.

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Egg, I do not get your question.

You said if you were scum ascetic, you'd claim commuter. Now you're saying you'd just roleclaim truthfully as commuter or suicide bomber. So why do you claim you'd lie about your role as scum asceitic (and this ignores how similar ascetic and commuter are anyway).

There are 2 of us (hydra), so we have 2 answers.

Also holy shit you guys are hurting the game by posting so much. I'm working doubles all next week and if we're not at night, I'm fucked because I can barely keep up with shit tons of free time.

Just look at our reads list and logic chains we've posted. It's not hard.

~P

Disagreeing doesn't mean the same as not looking.

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Uh, ActionDan is posting in other games but not here. He needs to hang too.

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I don't blame him. This game is getting ridiculous. I haven't worked since Sunday and I can barely keep up.

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Unvote, Vote Birds of Prey

Because it's so hard to get any traction behind a wagon on obvscum Oversoul, I'll vote the town spammer who is trying to lynch all my town reads over the obvtown power role before deadline.

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So is BBMolla

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Unvote, Vote Birds of Prey

Because it's so hard to get any traction behind a wagon on obvscum Oversoul, I'll vote the town spammer who is trying to lynch all my town reads over the obvtown power role before deadline.

Oversoul isn't scum. BBMolla is. If Molla claimed VT, would you be townreading him?

Yes

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Notscience vote will happen after flips.

I had the same reaction as a bunch of people did with Oversoul's hammer initially. My only question is whether shards are that important to scum that he'd just grab the hammer like that knowing it looks bad.

And yeah, I was guessing Squirrel was shos' kill as well. Dumb choice in my opinion, but hey, he was right about Abomination so fuck it. Maybe he was right here too and I was wrong.

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We can also infer prohawk is not scum

Why

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Prohawk, even if you are town, it wasn't really a waste. It confirmed your action. We know with 100% certainty (or maybe 99% because shenanigans happen) that you visited notscience that night.

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So you still think I am scum?

Actually, no. I did some thinking last night.

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So you still think I am scum?

Actually, no. I did some thinking last night.

^never mind. This depended on notscience being scum.

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Y+B, you were roleblocked N1 and lost one of your three shots as a result, correct?

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So you still think I am scum?

Actually, no. I did some thinking last night.

^never mind. This depended on notscience being scum.

So let's flip notsci, his reaction was absolutely not town.

Let me put it this way. If notscience is scum, which is still entirely possible, I can't see you targetting him as his buddy unless you are a scum doc or something, in which case I can't see you claiming town shard thief. So basically, a notscience scum flip would convince me you are very unlikely to be scum.

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I am so complacent this game.

Y&B just disappeared.

I wanted an answer from them on being roleblocked and losing a shot. Hell, even if someone can find confirmation on that in their ISO, I'd be satisfied. The claimed 3-shot and claimed to use their shots in the first three nights, so if anyone can find them saying they were roleblocked, or even that the Mod said their action failed, I'm satisfied.

In the mean time, get your votes off notscience. I think I'm on to something here.

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Never mind.

I thought Y+B posted something contradicting before, but they said their Role PM specifically says shots are used up even if they aren't successful. So I'm dead wrong.

Vote Oversoul

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Y+B, you're right. Basic SK strategy says they pretty much need to act as a town vig right now. If they shoot for town, scum will very quickly outnumber them..

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Sorry Egg, I was late in answering your query but fortunately you've rectified it yourself? Can't trust Y, bah!

May I help you with anything else?

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No, you're good.

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Ok, I gotta out something. Not sure it confirms anything, but it's info the scum probably has and the town deserves.

I may have bluffed a little. I had another tracking shot. I tried to use it last night. I got no result. I asked the Mod if no result is what I'd get if I was roleblocked. The Mod confirmed that, yes, it is. I was also told that I didn't lose my last shot.

So two things, assuming I was blocked:
1) Y+B lost a shot, but I didn't. That's why I asked about that to open the day (and I'm sure scum caught on which is why I say they already have this info. My mistake). Now, Y+B said long ago that losing a shot for unsuccesful actions was specific to their role. I'm not too sure if I buy that, but it was said so long ago that it would have to have been thought out pretty carefully to add that bit to the claim of being three shot. I don't get the impression that that was thought out all that carefully. Although, I could see BBMolla as a scumbuddy saying to add that in. So is Y+B scum? Maybe.

2) The Goat claims to have been blocked last night as well. So either scum have 2 RBs or our SK and scum both have RBs. Or The Goat is lying. So does this make The Goat scum? Maybe.

Unvote

to discuss.

I'll be around all day to answer any questions.

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I'd be shocked if this was as simple as us now knowing the scum team to be Y+B/BBMolla/The Goat for the record.

But aren't we running out of time to find out about Y+B?

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again... we'd lynch BBm first.

Of course.

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If the goat is scum lying about being blocked, then I would think BB is town for having been blocked on the night they both targeted shos.

Makes sense. I keep thinking that was from Shos' role for some reason. Probably because we never lynched one of them for that.

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Vote Oversoul

Maybe the SK can help us resolve the stuff with BBMolla and Y+B.

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Actiondan, Goat, and BBMolla. I tracked one of you. Claim your action from last night with my role in mind. One of you needs a good explanation.

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Too many pages while I was at work. Don't know if I should claim my result until I read. Please slow down posting. I'd hate for my result not to go up just because people feel the need to spam.

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Unvote, Vote Y+B

instead of following my result because keeping this alive will cost us the game. Call it policy or whatever but I can't play like this.

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I tracked BBMolla

Unvote

That was frustration.

BBMolla, your target doesn't make sense to me. Please explain.

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Ok. So I was actually roleblocked. BBMolla and ActionDan reacted fine.

The Goat was finally not RB'd when I might have a result on him. Interesting. The only thing that throws me off is the fact that if he's scum, he knows I was blocked and shouldn't be scared of my result.

I dunno. Need to think, but there's that.

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What about The Goat?

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Did you lose my post in your spam?

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I can buy Muffinscum for that reaction.

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@cephrir

i know there's no explicit rule against this shit, but can you force replace ynb if this continues

I really could not give less of a shit about reading this game

Second

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Vote Muffin

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I want the SK to shoot Y+B

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1.) Getting annoyed
2.) Gut feeling they're scum

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Silence is golden?

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Someone vote muffin

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I don't even know where to go from here...

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What is even scummy about Beast?

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I tried to commute BC last night.

Liar.

You targetted ActionDan

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So, as much sense as it would make for BBMolla as mafia to fakeclaim SK, and as much as I could see him of all people doing it, it makes sense that he is SK. That would explain why he and Y+B were never killed by SK. My only question is why shoot players you townread?

And I'm completely lost on who scum would be in this case. Actiondan, Prohawk, and a puppet???

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So if Actiondan is scum...

Scum had two poison doctors?

Or are we assuming Actiondan lied completely about his role?

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This is crazy. There is logic to point to pretty much everyone being town. Like I'm looking at this playerlist going "where are the three scum?" I just don't see it. Which makes me wonder... If BBMolla were mafia, Y+B still could be too and there's only one other mafia plus SK which is easier to see. But him being SK just makes way too much sense...

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See, the thing is there isn't anyone who I'm willing to say is obvscum at this point.

I hope you are joking about no lynch.

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Well. That's kind of different...

Lynching you is probably not the best move today so...

Yeah.

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^my only issue is with N2. If you weren't told who your puppets are, why did Ceph warn you about commuting Moogle?

Oh, and why did you claim to target shos before?

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So ceph gave you advice on how to use your action?

0_o

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BBMolla, I swear if you are mafia and not SK.......

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Chances are if he were mafia, he'd be lying about all that power.

But I don't think it's him

And he claims an innocent on you. And basically on Y+B too.

And Prohawk and Actiondan claimed the same roles as flipped scum.

And I can't see Kagami being scum who can be revived like that.

And multiple puppet scum seems weird.

So who the fuck is scum?

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Why would he want to save Beast though?

Unless...

He's just trying to make his Actiondan lynch go through.

Damn, that's pretty possible.

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No, but a mislynch costs him the game just as much as it costs town the game, so I'm sure he wants a scum lynch badly enough that he'd vote Beast on a guilty.

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No.

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I'd be very surprised if scum don't immediately win when they compose 50% of the living players.

Me too

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Isn't there like no reason BBMolla as SK would lie about that?

I mean at this point, it would be like town faking a guilty in LYLO.

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I feel like BBmolla vs Beast is a 1v1 right now.

At least that's what we're looking at in my mind.

The only thing holding me back from voting Beast is the fact that I can't understand the push on Actiondan earlier today.

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^meaning BBMolla's push

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Now it's possible that there's only 2 group scum left, not supported by flavor but maybe ceph left one Bo7 member out, and then lynching Bbm is just fine. I am not sure I want to gamble on that.

If, say, notscience is aligned with him...

And they had a guilty on Majiffy...

Maybe they are just confident that they can win with a lynch not on them.

This is a huuuuuuge stretch though

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Yeah. The only way you'd lie about it is if you are mafia which makes no sense at this point. But why so sure about Actiondan?

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Actiondan, I'm 3-shot. Can't remember if I actually fullclaimed that or not. But yeah.

Vote Breastcharizard

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Actiondan, I already looked into your issue with Y+B. They claim that the action being used up on a RB is specific to their role and is discussed in their Role PM.

Also, actiondan, why so sure the game isn't over? You're that sure Breast is scum?

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I kinda want to just wait for the flip. I feel like the game would be over if Prohawk was town though.

So what are we assming we are at? 4 town, 2 scum, 1 SK?

So if we lynch BBMolla, 4 town, 2 scum. Nk means 5p LYLO. Not bad actually.

Scum lynch means 4:1:1 and 2 NKs. Crosskill would be town win. Two town deaths would be 2:1:1. Ew.

Molla lynch might be best.

Oh and because Y+B asked, no result from me. I used my last one on BBMolla. I feel like I did ok with Aronis, Prohawk, and BBMolla as targets lol.

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also, what 3-shot tracker tracks night 1, night 3, then nights 5, 6, 7?

I was also nonconsecutive.

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So....

Flip?

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Wtf

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So if we trust that BBMolla is SK
And we trust that Kagami is town for being killed by scum
And we trust that Y+B is town because BBMolla fucks himself if he lies about that as SK
And we trust that I'm town for catching Aronis
And we trust that there are three scum left

The team must be Actiondan/majiffy/notscience

Kagami and Y+B, I want your thoughts. If you agree on the above, we should vote as a block on any one of those three players. The reason I won't lynch BBMolla is because if he flips SK, we lose even if scum's kill is unsuccessful barring two scum left.

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about kagami being killed by scum. we're still assuming that was a scum strong-man shot in a game with no doctor?

I thought we were assuming scum didn't kill one of their own. If not Kagami, who did they kill that night in a game with no doc?

Also, if BBMolla is the last scum, we have plenty of time. And the game is very town sided.

Vote Majiffy

Y+B, we kind of need you to sheep this

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Yeah we should do Actiondan tomorrow

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I needed a moment to let that sink in