Open 554 - omg, like, jungle republic!! + game over~~

[Majiffy]

Shoulda been asleep an hour ago.

Tomorrow, this game. Tomorrow.

[Majiffy]

Hi I am here unfortunately it may be some time before I can devote attention to this on account of a broken phone / new phone / one day off a week and drinking so maybe by Thursday.

[Majiffy]

Barring time constraints I should be able to get to this within the hour.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: mnemonicdevice

Evidently annoying to spell username means scum

Says the guy with the fucking underscore in his name amirite lol

[post]

Every single game I just want to policy lynch you so hard.

No I'm pretty sure this game is bastard

??? It's a open setup...

Mod: I am making this announcement bold per your request.

@Mod: Again, bolded per request.

@Mod: More bold, just for you.

You, I like you.

@Mod: You haven't thanked me for all the bolding I've done for you.

fixed + sv let's make out

Lol at Wolfie planing a stake for a werewolf, you silly wolfie, stakes are for vampires.

I'll let you live for now.

VOTE: Finglove
Sheep me if you want to hit scum D1.

Shower/Booze/Maybe drunkposting from my phone later.
Toodles!

[Majiffy]

For some reason, the phrase "pics or it didn't happen" springs to mind.

[Majiffy]

That name annoyed me. And the day isn't measured by time (really), but by whether people have shown anything worth voting for. Which they now have.

Who are the people that have shown something worth voting for?

[Majiffy]

You could always swing that vote over to the Finglove wagon, Tier.

[Majiffy]

If you truly have no preference then you shouldn't have an issue coming to the larger wagon, yes?

[Majiffy]

Err, the people I vote for later in the same post? I thought that was pretty explanatory. And why are you so eager to build a wagon on me? You don't seem to have a case on me, so are you just messing around

1. You can only vote one person at a time. You said people; sho else and why?
2. Your vote in that post barely pushed RVS.

[Majiffy]

Ebwop who* phoneposting.

[Majiffy]

@Kat - Disagree about wagon speed. Two factions, don't know each other and no reason to preserve them. Basically you're just going to see a bit of resistance from wolf-bus - but it happens; last JR game I was in, I had to bus my buddy D1 as wolf and ended up winning.

I'd like to see this wagon go through ASAP because I have some thoughts on each of the votes flip-dependent.

[Majiffy]

I am disappointed that this day phase is still ongoing.

[Majiffy]

Pretty sure.

[Majiffy]

Why unvote Finglove?

[Majiffy]

Or we could just hammer the claimed VT.

[Majiffy]

Both ideas I can get behind. Will discuss with partner.

WOLF SLIP ALERT

Is this post a joke?

[Majiffy]

You know what I love? People who fuck up lines of inquiry from one player to another. You fuckwit.

[Majiffy]

Good thing. Still alive. Check in in two days or so.

[Majiffy]

Jiffy cause I don't trust him and weird finglove wagonstarting

You should probably just stop speaking before you look any dumber.

I have NotMafia, Jon and Kat as lean-town from their interactions with the Finglove wagon.

Shattered and Ninja lean scum for their empty, wagon-jumping votes.

Looks like the two slots that had the most to gain from an Enomis death were Ninja and mnemonic (particularly mnemonic).

I say we split the difference and hit Ninja today, look at {Shattered, mnemonic} in the immediate future, work outside that set afterwards.

[Majiffy]

Not Mafia perhaps, kat and esp jon look strictly town.

[Majiffy]

You gotta remember that my vote did lead to a mafia death, and I did have a good read on finglove so I acted on it with my vote. Sorry for my empty reasoning or lack of an explanation I was super busy those few days and could really only make dodge pod posts. He also just happened to have the larger wagon at the time, and the game was moving at a snails pace, so most of the other people only jumped on to see some action. I say we keep looking and see what happens

Another fine example for why we should lynch you.

[Majiffy]

Not yet, anyway.

Does no one else see the gigantic throbbing scumclaims in NT's last post or do I need to point them out?

[Majiffy]

Scum doesn't say this.

[Majiffy]

I guess that's your opinion but I don't see any scum motivation.

[Majiffy]

Not every post by scum looks scummy.

I don't think you quite comprehend the idea of "scum motivation".

[Majiffy]

I do this 'I'm not really helping right now but it doesn't really matter what you think of me' as either alignment.

Hi I did a reread:

Town people:
Kat jon majiffy

Townish:
SV wolfy

Why didn't you post thoughts/reasons for your townreads?

first kat now you????

is the entire playerlist on jiffy's dick?????????

That's usually how mafia games go, yeah.

------------

Btw I don't think this post was ever responded to so if you could go head and do that, Kat, that'd be greeeaaaaat, thaaaaanks.

Both ideas I can get behind. Will discuss with partner.

WOLF SLIP ALERT

Is this post a joke?

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Ninja Trigger

In the meantime.

[Majiffy]

Why didn't you post thoughts/reasons for your townreads?

I don't do that this early usually. But you can ask me to elaborate on any of them.

I await with baited breath.




That means all of them. Why even wait for me to ask?

[Majiffy]

Lol

[Majiffy]

You gotta remember that my vote did lead to a mafia death,

Fishing for towncred. Ignores the fact that he voted reasonlessly and late-wagon.

and I did have a good read on finglove so I acted on it with my vote. Sorry for my empty reasoning or lack of an explanation I was super busy those few days and could really only make dodge pod posts.

So he had a really good read on the slot that has now flipped scum but he couldn't be arsed to put down any kind of information about why when he voted because IRL.

Sure thing.

He also just happened to have the larger wagon at the time, and the game was moving at a snails pace, so most of the other people only jumped on to see some action. I say we keep looking and see what happens

Also here are #reasons why you should look at other votes that aren't my empty vote that I am trying to retroactively make look better!



This isn't newbtown Not_Maf. I challenge you to argue the case otherwise.

[Majiffy]

That means all of them. Why even wait for me to ask?

Not worth my time.

Jiffy, you think NT is maf or wolf?

I'm not above policy lynching you at this point in the game.

I don't have an alignment for him. Could go either way, but the vote was strictly scum.

[Majiffy]

Useful? You won't even elaborate on the reasons for your town reads

for a player you town read.

How am I supposed to get a read on you if I can't follow your line of thought?

[Majiffy]

And no, either team gets on the wagon at that point.

[Majiffy]

My reading skills

are

magical. There are other players in this game.

[Majiffy]

I was using myself as an example to provide reasoning for why you should be outting reasons for townreads when you are asked.

Are you seriously this dense?

[Majiffy]

So you need the explanation for my townreads to read me, while you also say you don't need them to read me?

No, I'm trying to goad you towards outting reasons for your townreads to make your thought processes more transparent, which is inherently pro-town.

[Majiffy]

No.

[Majiffy]

And the rest of my post?

[Majiffy]

Youre isolating it too much. Read it as a whole. Big picture. Hes scum.

[Majiffy]

Well I'm going to do my best to push through the NT lynch today so change your mind or stay out of my way.

[Majiffy]

None of that

has

to come from Scum.

NT is giving off newbie town vibes to me.
Too many people (including me) not posting enough.

Seems to be a choice now of follow Majiffy or not and it's "not" for me at the moment as I think NT is town.

You're NT's buddy, aren't you?

Voting naturally points to town, not to other team scum.

The only argument that supports natural voting being town over scum is in a single scumteam; natural voting indicates natural progression of scum reads. With multiple factions, reads

are

natural, ergo natural voting can be done by town

or

scum.

[Majiffy]

Yeah, this thing is scum.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy if I trust you do you promise to not murder me.

I ain't murderin' shit, just good wholesome family-friendly lynchings.

Wolfy might be NT's buddy?

Jiffy did it first!

NT is giving off newbie town vibes to me.
Too many people (including me) not posting enough.

Seems to be a choice now of follow Majiffy or not and it's "not" for me at the moment as I think NT is town.

You're NT's buddy, aren't you?

This game is a little boring, it's just everyone sheeping me.

[Majiffy]

Naked reads ew

Town people:
Kat jon majiffy

Townish:
SV wolfy

Why didn't you post thoughts/reasons for your townreads?

I don't do that this early usually. But you can ask me to elaborate on any of them.

That means all of them. Why even wait for me to ask?

Not worth my time.

[Majiffy]

Hi Tier.

I actually have no idea.

Maybe you should be less of a cunt.

[Majiffy]

If we hit scum again, I am definitely down with lynching S&M for lulz.

[Majiffy]

Hi again. Okay, some early thoughts. I'm going to break these up into one to a few people a post so as not to create a too impenetrable wall of text.

Who are you and what are you doing in my mafia game.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy:

I don't like the speed at which Majiffy is pushing the Ninja lynch but I like/agree with almost everything he's posted. I agree with his townread of Jon and his suspicions of Tiershift. To this point I suppose my only concern is what seems like tunneling on Ninja here in day two.

Majiffy: With so much time left in the day why the seeming rush to put a necktie on Ninja?

Slow wagons have the ability to dissipate easier. I don't want the wagon to dissipate.
Fast wagons force scum to choose sides quickly without the ability to properly fabricate strong reasons for reads or plan bussing / counterwagons / etc.

Good enough?

Also it looks like you're going through everyone via ISO. Are you spending any time reading in context?

[Majiffy]

Ok. Who are you replacing? Because I see no difference in the latest votecount.

[Majiffy]

Of course the other side of that coin is that a fast wagon would allow clever and perhaps charismatic scum to rush a weak townie to the gallows before cooler heads could prevail. So the question is how much you trust not just the judgment but the motives of the folks driving the wagon.

Considering I am the folk driving the wagon, I'd say I have a pretty good grasp on both the judgement and motives.

I have to be careful here because I like S and Em's play style, like the way he digs the knife in just a little to see how his target jumps, but so far I'm just not seeing much that seems scummy.

This doesn't make any sense.

[Majiffy]

Because I already hit one scum and I'm primed to hit the rest.

[Majiffy]

And Jiffy can stop being terrible soon.

You can vote NT

aaaaany

time now.

[Majiffy]

Also wtf is SoC?

[Majiffy]

Can we get a hammer up in here?

[Majiffy]

Honestly the game was just moving slow so I jumped on the larger wagon for fingelove, as far for having a read on fingelove the dog really did eat it, in other words I never had one.

Lets keep an eye on the prize here, NT has openly admitted to lying about the finglove jump. This is a scumclaim.

[Majiffy]

Sigh. Prodded because this day should have ended some 5 RL days ago.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Wolfy

Ding ding, now serving scumbutt 3

[Majiffy]

People I won't vote today: ... maybe Jiffy. Maybe.

[Majiffy]

Town
{Not Mafia, Jon, Kat}

Scum
{Wolty, Shattered, mnemonic}

Still working with these.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Wolfy

Ding ding, now serving scumbutt 3

Why?

Town
{Not Mafia, Jon, Kat}

Scum
{Wolty, Shattered, mnemonic}

Still working with these.

Why?

Are you a commonly forgetful person or do you just have no reading comprehension?

Literally everything you have quoted has been explained in D2.

[Majiffy]

I think it's pretty self-explanatory. Particularly since I'm not the only one who mentioned it.

[Majiffy]

These are good wagons. Possibly both on scum. Keep it up.

[Majiffy]

Town doesn't do this.
Scum does this so that when I flip town they don't have to dig themselves back out.

Jiffy is probably town ... Lia who is probably town

[Majiffy]

UNVOTE:
Yeah - probably not. Just didn't want to go straight to my primary suspect without a vote hopping opportunity

VOTE: majiffy
Only way he can still be alive is if he is the werewolf.
Lead the D1 lynch.
Pushed Tier hard to get the D2 wagon going before jumping on.

OMG! Vote hopping! Sure scum tell.

How did I go from town to wolf without posting? Lol.

[Majiffy]

Scumflail.

Put him at L-1.

[Majiffy]

Its true.

[Majiffy]

Lol I can't tell if you're willfully stubborn or just an idiot.

[Majiffy]

WELL HOW ABOUT YOU BRING EM IN HERE THEN.

[Majiffy]

Kk someone claim intent or don't and hammer doesn't really matter either way.

[Majiffy]

A+ you surely are a master of the mafia craft.

[Majiffy]

Then Wolf doesn't kill tonight in self-preservation and we go into MYLO with a mislynch here.

VOTE: mnemonic

Thanks for letting the wolf know, though.

[Majiffy]

Would actually rather save the replacement the time and effort of reading 20 pages. MnemonicSlot is the clear lynch today.

[Majiffy]

For users of Chrome having issues logging in; clear your cache.

Press Ctrl+Shift+Del when in your browser to open up the prompt.

Should work after that.

[Majiffy]

"AAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!"

Oh no! The sun disappeared! And everyone screamed like kids like to do when the lights go out!

(The sun returned in a week. Everything was back to normal, except

mnemonicdevice

was still missing. This is flavor so masterful it could have been cooked up by Paula Deen. Hearty, buttery goodness. Mmmmm. Yum.)

I know what happened to MS now.

[Majiffy]

What makes you so sure he's the right lynch that you'd be willing to string him up in absentia?

POEing the shit out of this game. Plus I had other reasons to read him as scum that I can't remember from the outage.

So, one or more of the people voting me (that would be Not_Mafia and Majiffy) should really present a brilliant case for why mneumonic was scum that *doesn't* have to do with lurking. Otherwise I'm going to call both the wagon and you derptastic failsacks.

You could probably ISO mnem and find out why I have the read I do on your slot. Otherwise just make yourself look town, because you can do that, right? Being town and all? Mmkay.

Also, could someone give me a quick rundown on the NK speculation on the three dead players - that would also be helpful at this stage.

Haven't gotten to that yet. Although I

am

curious why I'm not dead yet, having led lynches on two scum back to back.

[Majiffy]

540 is lol.

[Majiffy]

POEing the Smurf out of this game. Plus I had other reasons to read him as scum that I can't remember from the outage.
[snip]
You could probably ISO mnem and find out why I have the read I do on your slot. Otherwise just make yourself look town, because you can do that, right? Being town and all? Mmkay.

Explain your PoE please? I'd especially love to learn who is confirmed town and why.

Also, the second comment is wussy and useless in equal degrees - just try to back up your case and position and try to look town yourself.

No one is confirmed town, but if I have townreads it's easier to start outside them.

And I'm lazy, damnit.

[Majiffy]

Get to it later, Thor. Aforementioned laziness.

But if you want to hear my reply before I reply, feel free to ISO because every answer you want is probably already in there.

[Majiffy]

E.G. I am just going to ISO and look at my most recent reads.

[Majiffy]

Thor;

I have NotMafia, Jon and Kat as lean-town from their interactions with the Finglove wagon.

Shattered and Ninja lean scum for their empty, wagon-jumping votes.

Looks like the two slots that had the most to gain from an Enomis death were Ninja and mnemonic (particularly mnemonic).

I say we split the difference and hit Ninja today, look at {Shattered, mnemonic} in the immediate future, work outside that set afterwards.

Hence POE.

[Majiffy]

Can you expand on each individual one - I even already discussed Kat's interaction and found it lacking, maybe you should show what I missed, also expound on the other two.

Here let me go pull another direct quote from my ISO again Thor...

Scum doesn't say this.

There's Jon. I mentioned Kat and N_M elsewhere but frankly I'm really getting tired of your shenaniganry so I'm not doing any more legwork. Look for yourself.

This coming from you and being told to me...
I know I don't actually consider unexplained votes scummy - do you now? What specifically made them bad?

Situational.

Looks like the two slots that had the most to gain from an Enomis death were Ninja and mnemonic (particularly mnemonic).

Okay.
Why?

Enomis was pushing them.

Jesus fuck have you read

anything?

So your current suspects are Justin and I.
Are we wolves, mafia, or a mix, and who do you think is the third? By your list it sounds like Reinoe...and what alignment do you think he is? And if it isn't him, who is it?

Probably Reinoe, yeah. Recent posts have really bothered me.

I'm not alignment hunting. I'm just hitting scum.

[Majiffy]

Thank you - no need for the 'neutral' face, y'know. I'm being quite open that I expect you to do the work to present your own thoughts. I do believe that's a reasonable stance to ask someone to back up what they state to believe.

You and I both know I haven't read most of this game.

And you and I both know that I hate repeating myself.

Okay, two things;

1. I see * no distancing from FInglove at all here* I literally do not see it...nothing seems to even hint at it. What am I missing (this is a good reason I'm not doing the search myself, I'd have missed this entirely)

2. I have already discussed the Kat one (at least as much as N_M presented it) and have indicated why I disagree. If your reasons are the same as his, then please address my thoughts. If they're different - then maybe stating them again or quoting them would help him and I. I'll even accept a phrase of something I can Ctrl+F your ISO for - I'm ertainly willing to do that level of work.

1. Well good, you're not supposed to see distancing from Finglove. This is a jontown case, not a jonscum case.

2. Maybe later.

Situational.

Okay.
What was the situation that made you consider them so?

The situation of the wagon. Two opposing scum teams, one bussing the other just voting because lolnotmyteam, etc.

Which, you know, I already stated numerous times earlier.

Enomis was pushing them.

So you think scum is trying to kill people successfully chasing them...but you want to keep trying to lynch me, who you've been pushing on for multiple game days? WHy wouldn't scum kill you then if you were on the right track? This seems very shallow thinking on your part...how am I wrong here?

You're wrong because it's late-game. That was the first kill, and I think we've gotten a wolf flip out of it already? So...?

Plus you could always be kill-less mafia. This is a bad argument Thor and you know it.

Only what I have been specifically linked to, and every post since I replaced in, and I don't intend to read the rest. This is what I always do, I'm sure you've seen it before. Are you actually confused or surprised by this?

Just thoroughly annoyed because if you're town you're not helping me

not

mislynch you.

....whoa, do you think that's a good strategy at this stage of the game?

Considering I've led lynches on both mafia and wolf, I'd say it's working pretty well so far, yeah.

The optimal lynch today is to accurately identify the Wolf and lynch him.
The secondary option is to correctly lynch Mafia though then we *need* to tag the Wolf tomorrow...so should be trying to find him regardless.
The third is to mislynch, but get the wolf to shoot Mafia, but that is still a situation of *needing* a Wolf lynch tomorrow.
We lose on a mislynch and a mis shot.

Looks to me like we just need to hit scum, then hit scum again.

Which I'm pretty good at.

You should at least be Mafia hunting for the wolves, otherwise a mislynch and a mis shot means Mafia wins - do you understand why it's important to know the scum team you are connecting a person to now?

I understand your argument, I think it's dumb. There are 3 anti-town roles left. I have 3 probable scums. I feel like my success rate is going to be pretty good.

@Majiffy - I have a thought, but will admit I've been drinking today and would like to get it bounced off someone whose opinion I vaguely consider worth listening to when they aren't being a ponce.

I'll choose to phrase my seeking of an opinion to you this way - why has town not asked for the Seer to reveal?
Functionally, at this stage, a seer reveal gets a confirmed town, is happening the day before lylo, and, unless we lynch mafia today, the wolf is handing the game to mafia if he shoots the seer.
So, really, for wolf *and* town the optimal situation is to reveal the seer to rule out mislynch/mis shot for both.
Of course, after that the optimal town goal is to lynch wolf, while the optimal wolf goal is to get a Mafia lynch, but...at the end of the day a mafia lynch isn't bad for town.

Am I missing something?
I think I'm brilliant.
i just always think that because the tequila tells me it's true.

Seer hunts wolf. We get no cleared town, just "not wolf". And Wolf doesn't have to worry about hitting wolf.

[Majiffy]

I'm feeling pretty effin' good about this Thor lynch. There are too many holes in Thor's theories, play, and general demeanor that just don't fit townThor.

[Majiffy]

How does him making generic comments about not liking a town block that he isn't included in a town tell?

I just don't see jonscum putting himself out like that early-game when he doesn't need to.

So they were not on a given scum wagon and you take that as a towntell because you would expect bussing from partners and lynching from non-partners - do I have that right? Because if so, that would suggest I'm not scum. So I think I'm missing something in my understanding of what you're saying here.

I don't really care enough to bother looking back or giving accurate answers, frankly. Deal with it.

This doesn't - what are you even accusing me of here?

Your argument of "why aren't I killing x?" doesn't hold if you're mafia. Which has no kill.

No - it's not. If we lynch Mafia twice in a row then Wolf wins. I want to smack you for sounding so dumb.
Sober up before assessing these things.

Scum is scum, not wolf or mafia. I'm not discriminating at this point. If we get in the situation where I have to, then I will. Till then, IDGAF.

I understand you think this is a rebuttal of my thought.
I do not understand the point you're making...I understand that Seer hunts wolf, I don't see how that changes things from my suggestion.

I don't see how your suggestion helps us at all.

Please tell me you grok this.

I grok but you're misconstruing my position.

[Majiffy]

How does him making generic comments about not liking a town block that he isn't included in a town tell?

I just don't see jonscum putting himself out like that early-game when he doesn't need to.

By generically opposing a town bloc that he wasn't in you think that made him a...target of the town bloc and thus was a risk a scum wouldn't take?

He excluded any possibilities of being part of future townblocs and therefore a potentially game-losing liability to set up so early.

We are in that situation.

No, we're not. We can still hit mafia and win.

Confirms a town the day before lylo.
Takes the lynch options for a town player from 3/5 to 3/4.
Increases chance of town win by chaining Wolf to obligatory efforts in case town whiffs lynch today (Wolf would have a 2/3 shot to save the game for town on a mislynch)

The negatives are...possible, but I think minor. What are your issues with the plan?

I don't see any of your positives really helping us. Unless the seer is being lynched, seer claiming doesn't put us in any different scenario; either way,

seer isn't being lynched today.

Unnecessary outting and really minimal positives vs the drawbacks of outting our potentially auto-winning PR.

I grok but you're misconstruing my position.

Clarify it?

Mafia and Wolf are both Scum.
You keep defining

my

Scum as

your

Mafia.

That means I'm confirmed not Wolf and also confirmed not Mafia *except* with Justin.

The wagon on me can go away now.

Explain your confirmations. Slowly and with extreme prejudice.

[Majiffy]

But for that to matter we'd need to know his honest take on town blocs. Do you? I know I went through a fairly lengthy period where I opposed town blocs as being anti-town. That was my honest belief, and I'd oppose them regardless of alignment. Even at this stage my opinion of town blocs is pretty...'meh'. I just try to think of them as forming a town reads list and treat them that way - because it's all they really are. Do you know that he normally likes/loves/et al town blocs? Because it's not like he went all that far out in opposing it, I read his opposition as reasonable and would call it a mild opinion, rather than a strong one.

I don't see how that's applicable; even if I had a negative opinion about something, if outting that opinion publicly would be anti-wincon, obviously I wouldn't do it.

Only if we hit the wolf tomorrow in lylo. We need to hit the wolf within two lynches to win, otherwise we lose. We can hit mafia via a lynch or a kill, but we can only hit the wolf via a lynch.

"Oh god we have to lynch scum! How

hawwible!

"

Even if we hit wolf today we still have to hit both mafia subsequently properly. So your argument fails.

You don't see a danger of seer cross claiming tomorrow? Because that is optimal wolf strategy at that stage.

I see that as a massive benefit. CCs are fucking easy as shit to sort.

No, I keep trying to make you define your scum. I point out the danger of you lynching a scum who is mafia as opposed to wolf. That is not a misconception on my part - it is what you're saying, and if it's not you really need to clarify your stance some more.

My scum always has been and always will be any anti-town wincon.

There is no danger hitting mafia today. The danger in hitting BOTH mafia TODAY

AND

TOMORROW.

You're brow-furrowing over absolutely nothing of any importance. And I don't know if it's because you like to furrow your brow, or because this is some distraction from your wagon.

I did in the post you quoted. Which ones do you not understand? If "all of it" what part am I losing you at? If "the beginning" then my question to you would start at "why would wolf Mnemonic back off on forcing a claim and mislynch on a Mafia/Town player?" Answer that and I'll walk you through the rest. Or clarify the point I'm losing you that isn't the begining and I'll start there.

I didn't read a big good portion because it wasn't directed at me and tl;dr.

So be a dear and start at the beginning, with nice short concise bullet points that I know you know is pro-town and able for you to do.

[Majiffy]

I don't see how that's applicable; even if I had a negative opinion about something, if outting that opinion publicly would be anti-wincon, obviously I wouldn't do it.

Yes, but it only matters if he thinks it would be anti-wincon. That's the point.

"If I say x I will never be able to be absorbed into any future townblocs. Being accepted into future townblocs would be optimal for my anti-town wincon. I probably shouldn't say x".

Doesn't take a genius.

Except we're allowed to hit mafia by a wolf kill or as a 3rd lynch. We cannot do either of those with the wolf, which is my argument.

So you want to hit the wolf today instead of mafia, taking away our potential of getting an autowin in favor of having to lynch at 3 proper lylos back to back

Yes, excellent argument Thor!

Yes. I agree with this. Hence - why we should figure out who the wolf is.

You're right! Tomorrow. If we don't end up hitting the wolf today.

I figure I have 3 potential scum and 3 scum slots remaining. I don't particularly care if they hit mafia or wolf today, and I think trying to nitpick over what they're going to flip is moot at best and a waste of time and energy at worst.

My wagon is already dead, in case you didn't notice. I killed it a few pages back.

And no other alternatives have popped up. Instead, you've successfully bogged the thread down with quote wall wars that no one is going to want to read and feeds town apathy.

If "the beginning" then my question to you would start at "why would wolf Mnemonic back off on forcing a claim and mislynch on a Mafia/Town player?" Answer that and I'll walk you through the rest.

How about you give me a logical proof that concludes with "Thor is confirmed town". Because that's what you're positing. Stop beating around the bush and deliver.

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I think it's actually more likely he's wolf. Note his call for seer to out, asking for Mafia to claim so he can sheep, etc.

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Also his desperate play.

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So you want to hit the wolf today instead of mafia, taking away our potential of getting an autowin in favor of having to lynch at 3 proper lylos back to back

Which is somehow vastly inferior to your plan of lylos that also counts on a scum player to solo help town?

I don't have a "plan of lylos", we are in the situation such that every lynch from here out

IS

lylo.

And I'm not planning on ANY anti-town roles to help town, unlike your shit scenarios.

I think trying to nitpick over what they're going to flip is moot at best and a waste of time and energy at worst.

And I think that just shows how bad your PoE is - if you have PoEd me as scum, but can't say what type of scum I am.

Irrelevant. Town, Not Town. POE.

You must be getting rusty.

And no other alternatives have popped up.

No, actually I could get Reino lynched right now if I was so inclined, but I'm actually not that confident on his wolf status anymore.

Regardless of what you could or could not do, no alternatives have popped up.

How about you give me a logical proof that concludes with "Thor is confirmed town". Because that's what you're positing. Stop beating around the bush and deliver.

As I have said - answer my question and I'll do so. If you can't come up with an answer then I think that at least proves I'm not a wolf...do you agree with that? If you don't, why not? What was my other wolfy goal? (hint: showing I had no wolf motivation is part of proving I'm confirmed town...derp)

I haven't even bothered reading your question because when your conclusion is "I am confirmed town" I expect an independent objective proof to be available.

Actually, y'know, i'm honestly sick and tired of dealing with idiot Majiffy already, and I don't much like the rest of you so;

Claim: Seer

Now all of you SHUT UP AND JUST ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.

This means you Majiffy.

Any ccs?

And no, I'm not answering your dumb questions.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Justin Playfair

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Your slot is the one with the wagon and the poor prior play, not mine.

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VOTE: Justin Playfair

You are even more of a ponce.

Yes insult the only person who has been catching scum this game, that'll help.

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My slot had lurky play. You translated that as a scum tell. I'll agree he played poorly, I don't excuse you from the poor play once this slot became anything but lurky, nor for how you chose to field questions.

You played poorly as well. I've enumerated this many times since we began our back-and-forth.

"There is now a confirmed town player, I better not answer or respond to their questions or thoughts, this is brilliant play!"

What scum alignment do you think Justin is?

Confirmed town doesn't mean intelligent town. And you're playing like a complete moron.

Same answer I've been giving you: Irrelevant. Scum.

"Someone is setting up that they are not the Seer, openly, while trying to get Mafia to out...they must be the WOLF and not the seer! Brilliant and only possible conclusion!"

Is there a scum case on him outside your now already proven flawed PoE? I'm hoping so.

Pretty shit play trying to get someone to CC you like that. Especially since your "plan" for why Seer-outting was optimal was poor.

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Other than you disagreeing with me about the proper play today (and it *is* to tag the wolf) and you declaring that I was bogging down the thread by not cooperating with my own lynch...no, you haven't.

Whatever you say, Norse God.

Same answer I've been giving you: Irrelevant. Scum.

Do you think he makes sense as a scum buddy with any of the flipped scum or any of the unflipped 3 scum suspects you have...and who is the new third one now that it isn't me? Ponce.

Haven't bothered looking for associatives.

If you go uncc'ed, I'm seeing Reinoe/Justin/Lia. But I really doubt you're going uncc'ed because (in child-like voice) yousa scummy mc scummah!

My play was actually to convince the wolf that I wasn't the Seer, and also to maybe get a Mafia to claim. I then apparently did it in a way to...look like confirmed wolf to you...because...?

Your play made more sense as wolf than scum.

So what is your case on Justin? I even agree that he might be scum, so talk to me ponce boy. Use your words.

SV's slot. Take a browse through SV's ISO, also note the vote on Finglove. The whole thing reeks of scum.

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Justin made the slot look townier but I chose to ignore him in favor of pressing earlier evidence.

He probably just has a good scum game.

[Majiffy]

(:

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VOTE: Lia

[Majiffy]

Yeah it's time to put down the crack pipe, shave your face, and make something of yourself!

[Majiffy]

IT'S A BRAVE NEW WORLD OUT THERE AND YOU CAN BE PART OF IT

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NM is obvtown, I know my own alignment, and Thor is thus far uncc'ed.

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@Majiffy - I asked before, I'll ask again (and call you a ponce again, because what the frell) since your PoE has changed - what happened to bounce Lia into scum territory where before she was PoE worthy? This is why your PoE is so worrisome, you're not willing to discuss it. I am actually at the point where I find your play so suspect I'm wanting to go back and look at the two lynches and declare one of them a bus from you, that's where I'm mentally at with how you're playing. Stop it.

I think if you don't understand my POE you're the only ponce here.

[Majiffy]

I can't prove I'm not mafia but if I were wolf Kat would have died N2 as I thought she had breadcrumbed seer.

Can you please elaborate on where you thought you saw this?

[Majiffy]

Not seeing what the softclaim is there

[Majiffy]

Thor drop some mjolnir.

[Majiffy]

I mean if we

foolishly

end up lynching Lia toda

Explain.

[Majiffy]

Dot da dot dot dot.

Carry on, Thor.

[Majiffy]

Its a possibility ive been considering which explains resistance to hammer lia

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The thing is, if you buy that, do you still think Lia is a good lynch and why?

Because we know scum either way.

Justin + Lia if Lia flips mafia.
And Reinoe wolf.

Game.

Hence why I'm not so dickhard about hitting wolf today. Game's pretty much over as long as we hit any scum.

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*Note "allowed" - I got ThorTown lynched as wolf last time we played this setup, so he had no say in my eventual win.

[Majiffy]

*Note "allowed" - I got ThorTown lynched as wolf last time we played this setup, so he had no say in my eventual win.

This matters to what I'm doing...how?

Because I'm almost agreeing with Reinoe here.
And that's scary.

I just felt like rubbing it in a bit.

And if you seriously think I'm wolf, then you're seriously retarded.
At least Reinoe

has

to call me scum.

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Sorry, it's a bad habit of mine to conflate 'anti-town' with 'scum'. And you seem to really not want to help town at this particular junction, you're even voting for someone you have called Mafia at this stage. It's wonky.

You can't throw all the ingredients of a cake into a bowl and call it finished. You have to give it

time to bake.

[Majiffy]

NM you wanna switch to Reinoe?

[Majiffy]

Lol.

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Fuckin a

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VOTE: reinoe

Cant wait for nm anymore

[Majiffy]

Im seeing lia justin maf reinoe wolf.

Waited to see if justin would hop on lia. His lack of a hop makes me see team.

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Oh, and just to re-state. I'm not voting without a claimed Mafia to sheep

[Majiffy]

It's a good strategy for both Town and the Mafia. So I understand your frustration if you're the Wolf.

I was ing your flat refusal to vote which is incredibly dumb.

[Majiffy]

This is why town doesn't fakeclaim scum.

This is also why town doesn't lynch the person that hit two scum back to back from different factions at the start of the game.

This is also why Thor is a dummy mc dummyhead.

[Majiffy]

I was thinking Reinoe wolf after that retraction as well.

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I may indeed be a dummy, you were a lazy mclazyface with your cases though

Pfft, I lynched two scum by D2, I had laurels to rest on. The rest of ya'll shoulda happily picked up my slack!

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Lia

Majiffy stays as my townread. Lia I find the most likely to be wolf, I think Justin is mafia

Also lol

[Majiffy]

I may indeed be a dummy, you were a lazy mclazyface with your cases though

Pfft, I lynched two scum by D2, I had laurels to rest on. The rest of ya'll shoulda happily picked up my slack!

Lia was obscum but nobody wanted to lynch her so I switched my vote.

NM and I were both voting Lia for a good percentage of the day.

It was just our lazy cop and stupid JustinMafia that wouldn't join us.

[Majiffy]

So?

[Majiffy]

Until we meet again, you big bearded fellow.

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Go join my Revolution Mafia in signups btw.