Tales of You (Endgame)

[Yulia Jue]

Votecount 1-21 (Unchanged from 20)

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV (2): Kagura, AngryPidgeon
MastinSSK (5): CupcakePanda, Carbon Fiber, The Fox and the Hound, Yukari Yakumo, Just Sheep Us
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (3): Lord Business, mastinSSK, Rancid Broderick Drake

Not Voting (4): Mac , PeregrineV, Titan, Breaskfast with Stalin, Clyton

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Mod note: Please note the deadline.

[MastinSSK]

Let's please NOT wagon PV. I'll even bear the noise if it means one of Mastin or AP get lynched today but it would seriously suck to have all this scum theater end in a PV mislynch.

(In particular, AP does have a point. F-16's defense of PV really, really sucks.)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Yeah, reading them as scum-together kinda blew my mind.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I'm also obviously not asking because I'm looking for you to convince me on anything, I'm asking because I think your reads are bullshit and I want to see how you came to the conclusions you've supposedly come to.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

(In particular, AP does have a point. F-16's defense of PV really, really sucks.)

IAWTP

I started having thoughts about policy lynching F16 if we lynch PV and he flips scum

[MastinSSK]

Oh, and I've somewhat calmed down, but not enough to reliably post calmly.

I am pinging SSK to let him know that I'm getting him mislynched, though, so that if he wants to contribute, he'll need to do it fast.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Oh, and I also want to know if the read on me is entirely dependent on Mastin being scum

Because if it isn't, then it seems like a bullshit read?

Like, if you think I'm scum buddying a partner, then sure, whatever, but if he flips town and you're still going to come after me for the way I've interacted with him, it seems like (a) you should be trying to get me lynched, not mastin, and (b) you're bullshitting your read massively and trying to get a mislynch on mastin before pushing one on me

[CarbonFiber]

Yeah, reading them as scum-together kinda blew my mind.

What were your thoughts about their interaction?

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@ Muffin, I am trying to work with you to see if I can make sense of the game with you-town and if you want to do that, I'm all ears. I am not going to make a case on you to "refute" and continue spamming up the thread.

~ F-16

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

@ Muffin, I am trying to work with you to see if I can make sense of the game with you-town and if you want to do that, I'm all ears. I am not going to make a case on you to "refute" and continue spamming up the thread.

OK. I promise if you write a case, I won't respond or refute it or anything.

Now explain your reads.

Stop fucking dodging this.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

(It should also be really clear that I have zero intention of working with someone who is voting Mastin, but even if I did, I don't have any intention of working with someone whose reads I don't understand, and who won't explain how they came about their reads)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I was trying to go through your iso and figure out your mastin read earlier today, F-16. It's not clear at all why you think she's scum.

Re my reaction to their interaction, it's a moving target. I've gone back and forth on mastin, but the only thing that caused a complete wtf was stating that her play today has been designed to draw a scum night kill.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

the only thing that caused a complete wtf was stating that her play today has been designed to draw a scum night kill.

You need to think like Mastin

I understood what was being said there

It makes sense when you realise who Mastin thinks is scum (AP) and that Mastin was going for the I'm-going-to-make-you-dead-no-matter-how-long-it-takes-me-this-game angle

*shrug*

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

(Also I believe the hinting at having a strong role was also part of this)

[The Fox and the Hound]

(It should also be really clear that I have zero intention of working with someone who is voting Mastin, but even if I did, I don't have any intention of working with someone whose reads I don't understand, and

who won't explain how they came about their reads

)

lol

[Breakfast With Sandy]

the only thing that caused a complete wtf was stating that her play today has been designed to draw a scum night kill.

You need to think like Mastin

I understood what was being said there

It makes sense when you realise who Mastin thinks is scum (AP) and that Mastin was going for the I'm-going-to-make-you-dead-no-matter-how-long-it-takes-me-this-game angle

*shrug*

It makes sense except there's no what-if-I'm-wrong? calculation involved in the algorithm.

[CarbonFiber]

I was trying to go through your iso and figure out your mastin read earlier today, F-16. It's not clear at all why you think she's scum.

It progressed through the pages:

1) My initial scumread - I don't think Mastin's push on us was genuine.

2) Later on, he pushed the Fox and the Hound even though their responses were incredibly genuine. His post about Ceph viewing him as a mislynch was bad.

3) His role takes away one town vote. Rancid's role requires one less vote to lynch. What do you think of that?

~ F-16

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

Hello FoxHound,

Respond to 1921, 1922 and 1923 please

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

It makes sense except there's no what-if-I'm-wrong? calculation involved in the algorithm.

Indeed. I don't think Mastin was (is?) factoring that in. I don't think it means anything, either, except that Mastin was (is?) confident AP is scum

[The Fox and the Hound]

I'm going to, I'm being lazy rn

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

3) His role takes away one town vote. Rancid's role requires one less vote to lynch. What do you think of that?

Actually, I'm interested in hearing what you think about this.

Explain this when you get about to explaining your scum reads please (LOL, I KNOW YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO, I JUST LIKE PRETENDING IT WILL EVER HAPPEN)

Because you seem to be impyling I'm scum with mastin, which implies you think Cabd gave the scum team one less vote AND a hated player

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I was trying to go through your iso and figure out your mastin read earlier today, F-16. It's not clear at all why you think she's scum.

It progressed through the pages:

1) My initial scumread - I don't think Mastin's push on us was genuine.

2) Later on, he pushed the Fox and the Hound even though their responses were incredibly genuine. His post about Ceph viewing him as a mislynch was bad.

3) His role takes away one town vote. Rancid's role requires one less vote to lynch. What do you think of that?

~ F-16

The hated part of Rancid's role is the new miller role in ms meta IMO. A game designer almost has to pair it with something else for a town role. And it's a nice feedback loop for the player who draws the role, because it makes using the gladiator option riskier.

I don't think you realized how you came off in the early game, with the obvtown declaration on relatively thin soup, and how weakly supported your 180 on Titan looked. Probably the only reason I gave it the credence I did was because of your reaction test of me in 169, which also looked objectively weak to me, and raised some questions about your alignment that I harbored for a good while afterwards.

[The Fox and the Hound]

Cabd

protip: this is where your argument stops being valid

though CF's argument remains rather silly all the same

[MastinSSK]

WHY IN THE FUCKING HELL ARE WE AT L-4? ALL OF YOU BETTER GET YOUR ASSES OFF OF THE WAGON. BECAUSE IT IS WRONG.

I mean first just think about it! Why in the world would a mod give our voting restriction to a scum player? How does that benefit them? It doesn't! It only detriments them and their team!

But fine! You say that logic can go fuck itself. Let's look at the actual vote reasons and see if they're quality. Because my guess is that they're not.

The vote from CupcakePanda:

I ACTUALLY DID A CATCHUP?
WHAT A MIRACLE
EVEN IF IT WAS A SKIMTHROUGH

VOTE: MASTIN

Yeah. Self-admitted skimthrough then just votes us. No reason given, heck even if there is a reason its halfassed because they only skimmed it. NO! BAD VOTE!

CarbonFiber, freaking quality hydra, come on show me a quality vote:

Titan, The Fox, and LordBusiness are probably town. I agree completely with Titan's analysis on Mastin. I was thinking literally the same things. Pretty sure F-16 agrees as well. Mastin showing way too much conviction for the positions he's taking - way over-the-top - which makes me think there is no thought process behind the positions.

Vote: MastinSSK

A couple things to note with this one. True, they have given some reasoning since, but this vote itself when it was made, NO BAD VOTE!

1. It is still their first and only vote, a couple of days into the game.
2. What type of a bullshit reason is "too much conviction" especially with Mastin?

BAD VOTE!

Fox and the Hound, I'm pretty sure you're still scum so I'm expecting much from your vote but let's see:

Sheep, if I ask Ceph nicely and he says yes, do you think you'd be up for dead smiley?

Please answer, as I'm entirely serious. I am feeling really strongly right now about mastin-scum, and usually when I'm this passionate about a read it's right, and I know it's not confirmation bias because I was actually townreading Mastin for her AP thing, but hey, it turns out she doesn't actually care about that as much as she said she did and doesn't actually care about saying anything about us other than 'they're just sooo scum' even though people actually have townreads on us and so there'd probably need to be some convincing done if she's going to lynch us, so what's the answer to all this??? She doesn't actually care, does she?

CEPH I LOVE YOU

Unvote: Rancid
Vote: MastinSSK

This is just hypocritical. Really. NO! BAD VOTE!

GIFfy I really do like your modding. Show me that your votes are good too:

I agree.
VOTE: MastinSSK

...
Such blatant vote copying and mindlessness of thought is so common for a scum tact that this is the definition of the scumtell of sheeping. You could not get any more blatant with this.

NO! BAD VOTE!

Just Sheep Us, is your vote truly worth sheeping? I'm guessing not, but we'll find out:

VOTE: mastinssk

Since apparently RBD ain't happenin'

No. It's not. This is bandwagon hopping. You think you can just get on to a mislynch because it's popular. No.

NO! BAD VOTE!


Don't let the goddamn numbers fool you people! All of these votes are dumb. They're nonsensical. We're town and you can see it for yourselves.

SSK OUT.

[The Fox and the Hound]

^posts like that make me die on the inside and you just keep doing them

[MastinSSK]

^posts like that make me die on the inside and you just keep doing them

Explain. I'm curious.