Mini 1501: We're On A Boat! (END?! results inside)

[fferyllt]

you consider grim formidable when others considered him a easy lynch and now his dead that's not really making the case is it.

More formidable than notsci.

[Yates]

One way or another, my role will be proven tonight so... *shrug*

Also, why play to your meta? Heck, I would use meta to my advantage if I were you.

[Yates]

Just so this doesn't get lost.

SpyreX - please holster tonight!!!

[fferyllt]

One way or another, my role will be proven tonight so... *shrug*

Also, why play to your meta? Heck, I would use meta to my advantage if I were you.

It's as much about mindset as it is about meta. In the environment where I learned mafia, crumbing roles was literally never done. The same players played together so much that a role crumb would stand out like a sore thumb in one of our posts. We protected PR result crumbs by most of town making subtly crumb-like posts at the start of game days.

My game has adapted to MS realities, but some of what I learned elsewhere either hasn't been extinguished by negative reinforcement yet, or is advantageous in this environment.

[fferyllt]

Just so this doesn't get lost.

SpyreX - please holster tonight!!!

I missed why this is a good idea given a town bp flip.

[fferyllt]

Also, it maybe betrays a belief that there will be a tonight.

[pitoli]

VOTE COUNT 4.1

fferyllt

: Yates, Garmr

Not Voting:

SpyreX, fferyllt, CrashTextDummie, Peabody

With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Time until deadline: (expired on 2013-11-29 00:00:00)

Mod Notes

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[fferyllt]

Neighbor/vig is considered normal. Any normal role + neighbor is considered normal.

Spyrex is undoubtedly a vig and not an SK, otherwise he wouldn't have claimed the kills. If we lynch scum today and the game isn't over, he's an automatic lynch.

Peabody is undoubtedly a cop because the play fits to a T and set-up balance is off if he's not. If he was scum, he also didn't have to clear Garmr, who is undoubtedly town as well.

If Fferyllt is miraculously not scum, the only possible culprit is Yates, and this can easily be solved by a combination of vigging/copping/lynching him and myself.

The only remaining question is who gets to hammer Fferyllt.

I assumed your vote was already on me given the bolded.

If that's truly the only remaining question, then what are you doing?

[Yates]

Also, it maybe betrays a belief that there will be a tonight.

It goes without saying that if he's a vig and you flip scum the game is over.

Holstering is a good idea because there will be a cop reveal tomorrow. Why guess and shoot and possibly create a 1 v 1 v 1 if he's an SK? Even as a vig, it's showing that he's willing to let the cop do his job and that he ISN'T an SK.

If he's an SK and creates a 1 v 1 v 1 tomorrow? He loses and scum gets the win. We need that to be clear.

Conversely, what's the advantage to shooting tonight? There isn't one.

[fferyllt]

Also, it maybe betrays a belief that there will be a tonight.

It goes without saying that if he's a vig and you flip scum the game is over.

Holstering is a good idea because there will be a cop reveal tomorrow. Why guess and shoot and possibly create a 1 v 1 v 1 if he's an SK? Even as a vig, it's showing that he's willing to let the cop do his job and that he ISN'T an SK.

If he's an SK and creates a 1 v 1 v 1 tomorrow? He loses and scum gets the win. We need that to be clear.

Conversely, what's the advantage to shooting tonight? There isn't one.

Your alignment is going to be up for serious question after my flip. That's why I ask and it will have to be sorted some way or another. There are two players that need either investigation or death. You're one of them.

[Garmr]

Just shoot CrashTextDummie his the wild card and investigate either yates or Spyrex doesn't matter which. It's either 3 players or 4 players and 3 players is better.

[fferyllt]

Just shoot CrashTextDummie his the wild card and investigate either yates or Spyrex doesn't matter which. It's either 3 players or 4 players and 3 players is better.

So you are comfortable with both a BP and a doc in the game once the BP is confirmed.

[Yates]

Just shoot CrashTextDummie his the wild card and investigate either yates or Spyrex doesn't matter which. It's either 3 players or 4 players and 3 players is better.

Investigation on SpyreX is worthless. He's either a Vig or an SK. They would both come back clean to a cop.
Investigation on me is worthless. I'm either a doc - as I claim - or I'm dead when the cop turns up dead in the morning [ie. you wouldn't get the result].
CTD is the ONLY investigation needed.
And we will know his alignment in the morning.

That's why I'm against SpyreX shooting. This way if CTD comes up clean, the discussion about a GF comes back into play. Since I will be dead for that discussion, you are the one that makes the most sense as a GF in that specific scenario.

I'm fairly confident [like - 90%] in the fferyllt flip but this is a fun exercise to brainstorm in case of a similar situation in future games. So, I'm willing to indulge for the sake of practice.

[fferyllt]

Just shoot CrashTextDummie his the wild card and investigate either yates or Spyrex doesn't matter which. It's either 3 players or 4 players and 3 players is better.

Investigation on SpyreX is worthless. He's either a Vig or an SK. They would both come back clean to a cop.
Investigation on me is worthless. I'm either a doc - as I claim - or I'm dead when the cop turns up dead in the morning [ie. you wouldn't get the result].
CTD is the ONLY investigation needed.
And we will know his alignment in the morning.

That's why I'm against SpyreX shooting. This way if CTD comes up clean, the discussion about a GF comes back into play. Since I will be dead for that discussion, you are the one that makes the most sense as a GF in that specific scenario.

I'm fairly confident [like - 90%] in the fferyllt flip but this is a fun exercise to brainstorm in case of a similar situation in future games. So, I'm willing to indulge for the sake of practice.

And I'm about 50% confident on your flip or I'd be voting you.

[SpyreX]

No hammer. I've got some stuff I want to sayy and there's no reason to be in a hurry. I'll try tonight.

[Yates]

there's no reason to be in a hurry

This is something people keep saying that I strongly disagree with. Unless you have something REALLY game changing that's going to take a long time to type up, I don't see what you could possibly have to add at this point. I'm of the opinion that slow games lead to apathy. Apathy hurts Town and Town alone. It's kind of like baseball in that respect. You only need to slow the game down when you are losing big. Otherwise, a pitcher that takes a long time between pitches puts his defense on their heels and leads to bad play.

Anyway, we can talk about this post-game. But please don't stall the game for no reason.

[Garmr]

Just shoot CrashTextDummie his the wild card and investigate either yates or Spyrex doesn't matter which. It's either 3 players or 4 players and 3 players is better.

Investigation on SpyreX is worthless. He's either a Vig or an SK. They would both come back clean to a cop.
Investigation on me is worthless. I'm either a doc - as I claim - or I'm dead when the cop turns up dead in the morning [ie. you wouldn't get the result].
CTD is the ONLY investigation needed.
And we will know his alignment in the morning.

That's why I'm against SpyreX shooting. This way if CTD comes up clean, the discussion about a GF comes back into play. Since I will be dead for that discussion, you are the one that makes the most sense as a GF in that specific scenario.

I'm fairly confident [like - 90%] in the fferyllt flip but this is a fun exercise to brainstorm in case of a similar situation in future games. So, I'm willing to indulge for the sake of practice.

Yates if you are scum and fferylt flips down what you are pushing is the ideal situation. Not only that you would push a mislynch on on me claiming I am the God father. My situation is allot better since i would be lynched anyway with 3 people left.

[Garmr]

your ideal situation if your scum.

[SpyreX]

I asked for a night. I will get a night.

There's a lot of variables here I don't like because I haven't had time to catch up. There's absolutely no reason to rush this at this point especially when all of a sudden my top town read from forever is the chopping block and since, as you said, even if you want to shake the SK stick its undeniable that I am not scum.

If I can't get to it tonight and there's a hammer tomorrow sure.

[fferyllt]

Does this look like the final post of a doctor who was at L-2 mere hours before nightfall?

Fuck. I'm so sorry. This isn't fair, I'm not going to have enough time over the next few days to catch up with this. Particularly sorry to CTD 'cause at least I've completed games with some of the others here.

Mod:

Huge apologies. It's best if I request replacement. Sorry for not manning up and recognising as much sooner.

[Yates]

Yates if you are scum and fferylt flips down what you are pushing is the ideal situation.

Who does scum Yates kill?

CTD leaving the cop AND the vig alive with you as cop cleared? Nope.
Peabody thus proving I'm not a doc? Nope.
You thus swapping one cop clear for another? Nope

Bottom line; if I were scum I'd be in a no win scenario by setting fferyllt up and claiming doc. Also, you'd need to explain at least 1 of the no kills at night.

Again, only scum could possibly benefit from a Vig shot tonight.

[fferyllt]

I'm back from V/LA and now going to get caught up/go back over Day 1. A scumflip is exactly what the doctor ordered; I'll get my teeth into this one.

On the other hand, this could be a crumb. :/

[Yates]

Does this look like the final post of a doctor who was at L-2 mere hours before nightfall?

Yes. He obviously didn't want Town to lose because of his activity. How is that NOT pro-Town play?

Keep flailing.

This is also why stalling is stupid. You have to listen to scum wifom. And that's as much fun as slamming your head against a wall. Interesting to see you growing balls once SpyreX is on record as claiming to be having a difficult time lynching you due to you being a Town read all game, though.

[CrashTextDummie]

Spyrex can take as long as he wants.

[Yates]

Fine. Shoot me a pm once the hammer has been dropped. There's nothing left for me to add to this.