How did you know that's what pieguyn's list was about?In post 36, Generic wrote:Pieguyn, that brief assessment shows me who you know at least.
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In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5412527#p5412527]post 476[/url], Minions wrote:I made an assumption. That list held absolutely no reasoning to it, so it was either random or people they knew well (as it turned out they weren't good mates as I had assumed but people who were scum in a previous game, but the thought process wasn't far off).
Mafia is a game of psychology at the end of the day. Everything someone posts has a purpose or a motivation. And that is why it fascinates me so much.
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Btw, that question wasn't what I was talking about in 472 :p Reading up over the game again to get reads, but I had missed that line before.
Why didn't you assume it was random, Generic? You say yourself there were two possibilities: random or people he knew. Why did you assume the one over the other?"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
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@Telo: Regarding the part of #331 you mentioned (yes I missed that, whoops) - you are right in that it is now consistent with your scumreads although I do think your turnaround on Generic is just based on the fact that he finds you scummy so that in itself is a pretty faulty read. On another note the bussing thing with Marquis/Generic is getting a little ahead of yourself considering neither of them have flipped.-
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NothingIn post 433, Windblown wrote:@AK What has TSO done to move him down there from null town the last time you spoke of him?
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WHat do you think of this post Generic?In post 430, Telo wrote:Sorry, this afternoon turned into late tonight. Posting from my nook so it might be a bit disjointed.
ISO on slaan leads me to believe he was innocent.
Big Terp's parting words re Majiffy and me... attempting to deflect the mafia away fro us as night targets?
Conceivable since we two voted AK. If so... if so nothing he's dead too.
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Explain how?In post 488, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
WHat do you think of this post Generic?In post 430, Telo wrote:Sorry, this afternoon turned into late tonight. Posting from my nook so it might be a bit disjointed.
ISO on slaan leads me to believe he was innocent.
Big Terp's parting words re Majiffy and me... attempting to deflect the mafia away fro us as night targets?
Conceivable since we two voted AK. If so... if so nothing he's dead too.
I thought it made her a little bit more town
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For those willing and able to re d it, here is. Ll my telo cases together:
In post 101, Generic wrote:
If you are going to drop a vote on me you might want to make the reason good.In post 98, Telo wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Generic
with a quick deadline like this I think we need to be a little bit faster and fiuriouser in forming our reads. I'm not getting anything from Generic. Would like to see some reasoning even if it is a bit premature we need something to go off of.
Your contribution to this game do far is what exactly? To help you I looked. 2 RVS vote involving banana skin comments, a question to pie and terp about each other, a fencesit comment on desp that's so fluffy it might as well be a sheep and a thank you post to garmr.
Amethyst kitty, wind blown, and marquis have all posted under 5 posts, and amythest kitty proposed a 1v1 with someone she is apparently town reading.
Want to try again, or try to mislynch lower hanging fruit?In post 156, Generic wrote:Shit, first part of the post went missing, lets try that again....
It was a process of elimination, I have been over the course of the game ruling people out who I have taken a good vibe from, sometimes from a single act and sometimes for several subtle things.
Then I take the rest and start looking for the good or the bad.
You telo are my main focus actually, because you seem to be trying to position yourself in the seat of control, telling me I need to justify myself every step of the way yet clearly you are not being very truthful.
Lets have a look at this shall we...
In post 98, Telo wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Generic
with a quick deadline like this I think we need to be a little bit faster and fiuriouser in forming our reads. I'm not getting anything from Generic. Would like to see some reasoning even if it is a bit premature we need something to go off of.In post 131, Telo wrote:I don't have reads on everyone. I'm still formulating them based on interaction and voting and what not.
At the time I placed my vote on Generic he hadn't uttered an opinion about anyone in the game... not even in jest (RVS). If I'm gonna analyze there has to be something there; hence the vote.
A few posts there about you reason for voting for me. You spotted I had passed comment on desp, but shall we see what I did by the time we get to you vote post at #98?In post 132, Telo wrote:ok, I take it back. Upon reread his very first sentence in the game is an opinion on Desp.
But I still think my vote was worthy it gives others a possible read into ME and what I'm looking for in the game.
I'll let the vote stand as I continue to read.
In post 36, Generic wrote:Desperado is town. That's clear.
Mara you need to post from your hydra and I will be able to make a call on you... Or do you fear my ability to read you?
Majiffy won't have a clue again, I've seen his mafia ability first hand... Not up to much.
Pieguyn, that brief assessment shows me who you know at least.
The rest.... Meh.
Let's see that insta wagon like last time now. Bring it.In post 40, Generic wrote:Desp, she traded hard on her cred on MS in wingate to get backing against me. I called her as scum on page 3 was it?
My RL issues also helped her. She has neither to her advantage now. So if she's scum she will not be able to hide it for long.In post 57, Generic wrote:
I know, hard to take those words in ain't it.In post 56, T S O wrote:Generic Town?
I will get it on a t shirt if it helps to process that.
T S O... Townish.
So we have desperado opinion, comments to a lead up to pressure on the mara head of AK, baiting of the guy who laid out the troll cards in his opening, a read on TSO, and a point on a potential slip on AK (I have later reassessed her as less of an issue based on a gut feel relating to knowing her well).In post 89, Generic wrote:In post 66, Amethyst Kitty wrote:bastard.
You said troll, does that mean you don't plan on doing anything?
You know I don't fear anything Generic, and you're going straight for discrediting me again before I even post. What's up with that? We can make a 1v1, aIn post 36, Generic wrote:Desperado is town. That's clear.
Mara you need to post from your hydra and I will be able to make a call on you... Or do you fear my ability to read you?
Majiffy won't have a clue again, I've seen his mafia ability first hand... Not up to much.
Pieguyn, that brief assessment shows me who you know at least.
The rest.... Meh.
Let's see that insta wagon like last time now. Bring it.true1v1, happen.In post 74, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
Ur no fun :/In post 69, Generic wrote:In post 66, Amethyst Kitty wrote:bastard.
You said troll, does that mean you don't plan on doing anything?
You know I don't fear anything Generic, and you're going straight for discrediting me again before I even post. What's up with that? We can make a 1v1, aIn post 36, Generic wrote:Desperado is town. That's clear.
Mara you need to post from your hydra and I will be able to make a call on you... Or do you fear my ability to read you?
Majiffy won't have a clue again, I've seen his mafia ability first hand... Not up to much.
Pieguyn, that brief assessment shows me who you know at least.
The rest.... Meh.
Let's see that insta wagon like last time now. Bring it.true1v1, happen.
Simple question.
Do you have a scum read on me?
no, I don't have a scum-read on you, and I don't think I should. Am I wrong?
VOTE: Desp
Why request 1v1 with someone you think might be town?
You seemed to take issue with me that I wasn't doing anything, when I was forming loud opinions and drawing focus from people I wanted to reaction test. You in the meantime had done sod all as I pointed out. And there were at least 4 people if not more with less than 10 posts in the game, 2-3 of wgich were in the RVS stage each or fluff posts to show activity without actually doing anything.
Yet you thought voting for me was the best place to put it. And when I responded you ignored me and answered generically (no pun intended) to the game, and even that excuse was bullshit and you had to retract it and make up a different shitty reason.
There is the post you ignored, so before you further press me over what im doing, what the hell are you actually doing?In post 101, Generic wrote:
If you are going to drop a vote on me you might want to make the reason good.In post 98, Telo wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Generic
with a quick deadline like this I think we need to be a little bit faster and fiuriouser in forming our reads. I'm not getting anything from Generic. Would like to see some reasoning even if it is a bit premature we need something to go off of.
Your contribution to this game do far is what exactly? To help you I looked. 2 RVS vote involving banana skin comments, a question to pie and terp about each other, a fencesit comment on desp that's so fluffy it might as well be a sheep and a thank you post to garmr.
Amethyst kitty, wind blown, and marquis have all posted under 5 posts, and amythest kitty proposed a 1v1 with someone she is apparently town reading.
Want to try again, or try to mislynch lower hanging fruit?
Tela is in one of the two spots BTW if that hadn't been clear from above. Once I have two I would vote for I will assess them against eachother.In post 315, Generic wrote:
No reason was ever actually given.In post 250, Telo wrote:had a response post and didn't save it when the thread locked #1 reason my vote was on Marquis. Will rewrite later but for now
VOTE: Amethyst Kitty
But interestingly the post before that vote had telo's current reads:
No read at all on either AK or big terp.In post 245, Telo wrote:ok my reads so far
Town:
Grim183 reads town to me. When somebody says something off the wall about me and I'm looking around like - does no one else see this shit?- Are we playing the same game? That just strikes me as a very town reaction.
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Genericyes, I was pushing for some commitment, it seemed like a long time coming but once we got there it was worth it.
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I have no idea what to think of Desp... as I was doing my first read through I had him in the town pile but post 203 and others have me wtf'ing.
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GamrI don't want my vote to get confused with an OMGUS vote. But it sticks out pretty blatantly in post 194 when you say that you're voting me to sheep Generic when he isn't even voting me until 211. That's a blatantly opportunistic vote and it sets off warning bells.
Pie
The reason my vote is on Marquis instead of Pie is because I really was looking for a fast paced game. I have no idea Marquis' alignment because there's nothing to go on except the "catching up" and then nothing. I'd rather vote Pie but I'm willing to cut Marquis if it helps the game momentum.
I'm on Pacific time but I will be around all night for developments.
Yet no explannation given for choosing AK...In post 449, Generic wrote:
Look forward to it...In post 404, Telo wrote:notes from yesterday revised with current information incoming sometime this afternoon.
I LOLd here. A reread of slandaar showed him to be innocent? I came to the same conclusion when the mod revealed him to be town when he was killed...In post 430, Telo wrote:Sorry, this afternoon turned into late tonight. Posting from my nook so it might be a bit disjointed.
ISO on slaan leads me to believe he was innocent.
Big Terp's parting words re Majiffy and me... attempting to deflect the mafia away fro us as night targets?
Conceivable since we two voted AK. If so... if so nothing he's dead too.
Thankyou for the birthday wishes, she had a great time.In post 432, Telo wrote:Happy birthday to Generic's daughter my present to her is that I'll save my vote on her old man until he returns to the game.
Interactions between pie and gamr... I had gamr as a guilty read earlier and I'm tossing that completely out. The struggle between the two could be TvT. I doubt it. Gamr is def townier than pie.
And it's not an issue to comment on me when I'm v/la you know, especially in light of the flip of big terp.
But I'm back now, so feel free to assess me again.
Fluffier than a lamb. There's reads here, but no meat on the bone. You claimed I was scum for no commitment to reads, yet what I contributed that lead to that comment was war and peace compared to that analysis.In post 434, Telo wrote:Mzrquis continues to disappoint
Desp is just wrongish
TSO I'm not getting a read on so I'm going town there.
Majiffy keeps getting lumped in with me. Fisrt thought is that he must be town too. But I've been tricked like thzt before so whatch it. There's some sneaky shit in this game.
Grimgrove. I'll get back to you on that.
And lambikins posting part two. "AK was scummy, but not really, but maybe she is..."In post 435, Telo wrote:Whos that leave?
AK and wind
Yeah desp said I voted "wrong" in the throw down but since Terp was innocent I don't feel I did vote wrong. Not to say that AK is guilty but what was the reason for the challenge and why Big? He hadn't done anything standoutish at that point.
Wind, tsk tsk tsk
Marquis has been far more involved elsewhere, I would have pitched that rather than the lecture but meh.In post 448, Telo wrote:I concur on Marq, I've taken huge months long breaks from playing because I know certain seasons I can't keep up with the commitment level of the game.
Starting in a fast game and then claiming rl hardships seems contrived. It would be less suspicious if it was something unplanned like an illness.
Having said that, school is more important than playing but if you know you're going to be bogged down join a 2week game. Good luck on mt's.
vote telo
Feel no differently. (S)he drew my attention when (s)he assumed I was low hanging fruit, since then every post hasn't seemed right to me as I have been pointing out along the way.-
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Amethyst Kitty is scum and needs to be lynched, rather today than tomorrow.
If not her, pieguyn.
If not him, Marquis, but that would be mostly policy, and some slight associative-tell. He's useless and anti-town. He could as well be a town-lurker as a scum-lurker, the fact of the matter is that he's a lurker and clearly does not give two shits about this game. In a fast-paced set-up like this one, town can't afford to keep Obvious liabilities like him around for too long. And pardon me for saying it, but that V/LA of his seems awfully *ok, I can't think of the term in English anymore, you know, where it suits him well?*
Cases on other two incoming.
First, my thoughts on others, which I feel are mostly secondary at this point due to the strong conviction I've garnered on the other two. I think we should focus on them and based on interactions with these slots figure out which of the questionmarks below may belong with them:
Garmr: He's confirmed town. His claim checks out, not only because it hasn't been counter-claimed by another protective role, but also because the crumb + the reaction right after the night match perfectly.
Desperado: Solid town-read on him ever since the start. I get the feeling we're often on the same track in our thoughts. Same thought = same mindset = same alignment. He deals with Majiffy's pressure in a very natural way, and you hear from his tone that he's genuinely pissed.
Majiffy: Town. I have been in a few games with him, and even though I don't know his scum-meta, this is 100% his town-meta. He picks a person, calls him scum, convinces mainly himself that this is true, starts being condescending and antagonistic (albeit in a very entertaining way), shitstorm ensues. This overestimation I have come to know as Majiffy's town signature.
The Majiffy-Desperado thing screams TvT. Both people need to stop distracting each other. This TvT in particular left town in a bad shape: we're 20 hours from deadline and got almost no cases, except for the one from Garmr on me, but I already got into that. Garmr, town as he may be, is stuck in a confbias ever since his OMGUS and refuses to get out of it. (here's where my case on pieguyn and Amethyst would start, but I'll save that for next)
TSO: The one defining thing he did from my POV was change his read on me completely, where first he thought I was scum for posting mlechanically,b ut then he liked my wall and considered me very town. That felt very good. Mostly because I could use that support at the time. But! But but but, his vote on Majiffy today is terrible. It sounds more like a policy lynch on MAjiffy as a player, rather than for thinknig he's scum. If TLO wants a policy lynch, I'd expect him to go for Marquis, given TSO claimed himself he needs to die with fire.
Generic-Telo (lumping them together): I'm not quite certain about Generic-Telo being TvT, as I am with Desperado-Majiffy, but I am pretty sure Generic is town. The fact of the matter is that ever since 98 and 101 they have been stuck in a Tunnel (of Love?) together and they don't seem to be giving any signs of wanting to get out. But when you look at the two posts that started it, there wasn't really much to go off on. For a fleeting moment I suspected a scumslip in Generic's interactions with pieguyn, but other than that I saw nothing scummy come from this slot.
Telo on the other hand, something funny there. Seemed to want to get out of the tunnel in 245, as if backing down. She gives Generic "benefit of the doubt" for the rest of the Day. In 432 she suddenly decides, out of nowhere, to call out Generic yet again, threatening with a vote. At first, I thought it was a joke. The post sounded a bit fluffy. But today we are looking at the same situation: Telo voting Generic and Generic voting Telo. If consensus would require it and for some reason my two cases don't take off, I can see myself move onto the Telo wagon. I prefer a Telo-lynch over a no-lynch.
Windblown: Frankly, I can't read him that well. Most of what he says makes sense and doesn't seem too out there. Whenever I read 119 I'm getting scumvibes because of all the "on the one hand, on the other hand" and him pointing at others during his defense. But that's his only post that gives me scumvibes. He responded to remarks made on that post by several people in a satisfying enough way for me not to want to consider him today's lynch.
But like I said, whatever I said about the people above, it's not as strong as what I feel about AK and pieguyn. I hope to get those cases posted before OMGUS :p"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
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If your reasons for wanting to lynch TSO are simply because he showed support for my wall, then I'd rather you'd reconsider because they would be the same bad reasons as for voting me. Possibly even worse."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
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Convenient!In post 492, Grimgroove wrote:And pardon me for saying it, but that V/LA of his seems awfully *ok, I can't think of the term in English anymore, you know, where it suits him well?*
That was the word I was looking for. Sorry, but that was driving me crazy"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
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Amethyst, well, you'll just have to bear with her ISO and my comments on it.
Short version for the tl;dr's: Amethyst Kitty shows flagrant inconsistencies in her reads. These inconsistencies are the result of them not having any reasons for their reads. They are just there. And then they just change. And then they just change again. She rarely gives reasons for reads. It does allow her a lot of flexibility in which wagons she joins. And also when it comes to calling a challenge on someone. I first considered this challenge a town-move just because of its timing, but it's just a cheap way of earning towcred. The fact she challenged BigTerp should be made a much bigger deal of.
I made a mistake. Ever since that "pink slips" thing I somehow had Amethyst in my mind as close to conftown, and never could really shake that feeling during the 1vs1. The fact AK never openly denied being that pink female racer allowed the idea to linger in my mind.
BigTerp also made a mistake. If anyone, he should have noticed Amethyst had no reasons to challenge HIM specifically. He made his own lynch too easy.
During the 1 vs 1 she made only ONE argument as to BigTerp being scum. The only other thing she did was coast off her Gladiator-enabler hoping it would make people read her as town and vote BigTerp out of a mini-POE. And this is exactly what happened.
Look for yourself.
This summary was also an introduction, enabling some of Amethyst's posts speaking for themselves.
Spoiler:
VOTE: Amethyst Kitty
pieguyn's case will have to wait for tomorrow. Need sleep, need bed, but he's scum as well. Close to certain of it."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
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I'm still fine with lynching Marquis or Telo. ofc I'm definitely fine with lynching Grim
I'm not liking some of Grim's logic with regards to AK. it seems similar to his false logic on me, and that makes me think he's scum trying to score a mislynch. there's a good chance I won't be online until the deadline after Grim makes his case on me, so I'll leave this here for now
weren't you defending the usage of past games earlier to sort people? That's the definition of meta. Now it seems you think meta isn't a valid reason for pushing someone? 0.0Grimgroove wrote:A reason, but 1. meta, 2. comes with a waffle.
IMO arguments based just on votes aren't valid. it's one thing to say someone is voting someone who they're townreading, or if the vote is conducive to a lynch. but IMO just moving their votes with no explanation, or voting someone who's not necessarily the person they're talking to atm, is not a scumtell and I find myself doing that a lot when I wanna pressure multiple slots.Grimgroove wrote:Desperado did not post in between this vote and the earlier waffle. This is the summum of mechanical.
this seems subject to WIFOM. and it happened after she already challenged him. what other option does she have, vote herself? @_@Grimgroove wrote:BigTerp's VT claim pointed to BigTerp being town. Like I said at the time, BigTerp seeing his dire position, would at least try to out a powerclaim as scum. The fact he didn't actually made his VT claim really strong.-
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because if you mislynch me today then you kill another townie tonight DUH That's four town dead without a single mafia loss.In post 460, Generic wrote:So by your logic to regain credibility for my list I would push the marquis lynch, not only easy to push through given the suspicion on him but also I then remove the doubt terps flip created.
But I'm not, I'm pushing on the 'strong town' as you call yourself (LOL). So why do that if scum?
Why not go for me before marquis. It makes perfect sense from your standpoint.
Thank you for acknowledging that. I was wondering if you were being disingenuous but I can see how you could have simply missed it.In post 484, Windblown wrote:@Telo: Regarding the part of #331 you mentioned (yes I missed that, whoops) - you are right in that it is now consistent with your scumreads
hmmmm well that's one way of looking at it but my "turn around" on him was a 360. I started out thinking he was mafia, wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but from my reads simply couldn't do it. It wasn't because he thinks I'm guilty... I voted him first. So if there's any OMGUS going on it's coming from him.In post 484, Windblown wrote:I do think your turnaround on Generic is just based on the fact that he finds you scummy so that in itself is a pretty faulty read.
yeah, I know. I'm just providing my reads. I have to have reason to back up my play. This early in the game I have to speculate on some things based on what makes sense or not.In post 484, Windblown wrote:On another note the bussing thing with Marquis/Generic is getting a little ahead of yourself considering neither of them have flipped.
post 491 is a complete waste of time. It's a post completely dedicated to me but it's all old stuff that's already been gone over and answered. Is there anything new in there that I'm supposed to address?
I'm liking all of the reasoning here. I'd be willing to vote AK for the simple reason that I've asked multiple times for an explanation on why the challenge was thrown on Big and I've been ignored. That's worth a vote right there if for no other reason to get them to answer.In post 492, Grimgroove wrote:Amethyst Kitty is scum and needs to be lynched, rather today than tomorrow.
If not her, pieguyn.
If not him, Marquis,
Pie is one of my day one reads.
and Marquis because c'mon. Let's play, let's play, let's play!
I'm liking Grim. I don't detect anything suspicious in his reads the only thing making me hesitate on changing my read is that both kitty and pie are voting him back to back and mafia usually won't do that. So that weakens my confidence my reads on both of them.
Because I fully admit that my vote on Kitty would be a pressure vote simply to get them to acknowledge my question ~and~ because Grim is voting Kitty, I'm placing my
VOTE: pieguyn
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