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It's painfully embarrassing to have been wrong for so much of the game, but it is what it is.
My understanding of the game state was irreparably broken last night, but I came away with 2 things I still feel sure of. One of PA/Bulba is blue. And Peregine is town.
So, instead of trying to figure out which of PA/bulba/you are red, I'm left with you and AK. And if that was scum-mara that raged back at Mollie to the point where she didn't even realize she was attributing a post that was obviously mine to Mollie, I'm never going to be able to read her and I should just give up and policy-vote her from now on because what else can you do with someone that unreadable?-
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I don't think you've given my scum-mollie model any reason to kill you.Nachomamma8 wrote:
Peregrine would be not-town if there aren't uneven scumteams simply because Mara's became strong town for the last bit and mollie has been consistently town the entire game. Then, swapping out Majiffy for you in the hydra (which was before Xenologue), your contributions when you came into the game... there's no way I could convince myself that you are scum at this point, and I don't think that mollie could last this long in a scumgame, considering this has been months and months and months; there would be one point in the game where she just killed me and was done with it.In post 6099, ffullisade wrote:Why do you think Peregrine is not town? And why do you think I am town?
You found CTD by putting your read aside and looking at the set up. I feel like you should be reconsidering everybody now, including us. The remaining players haven't been lynched before now because a majority (or plurality on some days) of then living players thought we were all less scummy than whoever got lynched.
We feel like PA has been fishing really hard for a scum roleblocker today.
Power roles. We've seen a ninja (which is only good against the Watcher) and two goons for blue, with a tracker and a doctor for red (both of which are better than a ninja). Even if the other two reds are goons, I don't really see what exactly the last power role for blue that would make it somehow balanced. There's no cop in the game, so godfather is impossible, strongman is too strong, roleblocker is good but roleblocker+ninja have no synergy and make for a pretty shitty scumteam versus tracker+doctor... So I assume the reds look something like doctor+roleblocker+tracker and the blues look something like goon+goon+ninja+weak PR/goon.In post 6099, ffullisade wrote:If the red/blue balance is not in numbers, what does make it balanced and where is the evidence for that?
There was a town rolecop.
I've looked at that post over and over again trying to find a crumb.In post 2802, EddieFenix wrote:
Cute how you try to paint me as scum when you've been tunneling to China on Nacho. I can see the other 2 (thor and Nero) being potential scum that I'll have to wrestle between to figure out WHO I exactly want to look at along with Desperado and YOU (because, I don't trust you for nothing). Now...In post 2796, Bacde wrote:the problem w/ this game is that nacho, thor, and nero are all scum and we have players like desp who are awesome scapegoats to the whole shenanigans
plus players like thezmon and eddiefenix are perfect sidelining scum who won't let any of the needed lynches through, and their play is making the actual unsure townies even more unsure and less willing to string up the obvious big name scum that are in this game
Vote OverSoul
After his early gambit and him trying to get somewhere with this new one, I'm really uneasy on him.
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If there are two reds, one of them would likely be on your wagon. That's why I said this morning that I felt like Nacho has to be red.In post 6121, Ms Marangal wrote:
Explain this.In post 6105, ffullisade wrote:One red or two.
you and nacho were the only ones voting our slot
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I did that hours ago.
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I know you unvoted, but what prompted you to do this?
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I think bulba's a role blocker. I think PA knows it. because of her team - maybe her - getting blocked last night.
Where nacho fits in is less clear to me. But if I'm right about bulba role blocking and Nacho is right about 1 red scum, assuming we mislynch town today, then one townie will die tonight and tomorrow will be 2-1-1. And the game is unwinnable for town even if we lynch scum tomorrow.
If there are 2 reds, then it's possible that it will be a scum who dies tonight and then it will still be 2-1-1 tomorrow and unwinnable unless they shoot each other tonight. And if there is a roleblock two shots won't happen.
If we have 1 red, then Nacho probably isn't it.
I feel like we have to lynch between bulba and PA today and hope for the best.
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This game day has been nothing but revamping town reads. We've had bulba as solid town since the day Slandaar was lynched. We've had Nacho as town since before bacde was replaced. The one player that I was sure was scum in 3 scum scenario today was you. Flipping that read forced a reevaluation of Nacho.In post 6156, Ms Marangal wrote:FFery/mollie, why havn't I got the answer to who the people that are in that /ohmaigodkillmenow group when I asked for it days ago?When I made that post, the players in that group were Pere and Nacho.
[quote[Mollie said that she thinks that there is town there, but she it doesn't look like she has reconsidered who is exactly in that group.You guys keep saying that you guys are re-evaluating your town reads, but there hasn't been any sign of that in thread until recently when I stated that we are both replacing out (which really shouldn't mean that I am town anyway)Why is it that, I don't really see any kind of revamping reads from your slot?-
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When I made that post, the players in that group were Pere and Nacho.In post 6156, Ms Marangal wrote:FFery/mollie, why havn't I got the answer to who the people that are in that /ohmaigodkillmenow group when I asked for it days ago?
This game day has been nothing but revamping town reads. We've had bulba as solid town since the day Slandaar was lynched. We've had Nacho as town since before bacde was replaced. The one player that I was sure was scum in 3 scum scenario today was you. Flipping that read forced a reevaluation of Nacho.Mollie said that she thinks that there is town there, but she it doesn't look like she has reconsidered who is exactly in that group.You guys keep saying that you guys are re-evaluating your town reads, but there hasn't been any sign of that in thread until recently when I stated that we are both replacing out (which really shouldn't mean that I am town anyway)Why is it that, I don't really see any kind of revamping reads from your slot?
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I flipped my read on you when you replaced out. I stopped posting overnight to let that sink in. In post 6087 I said I'd post what we were thinking the next day. That was because I needed time to process what the read flip means in terms of other players.In post 6160, Ms Marangal wrote:I could understand Nacho maybe, but Pere?
I don't see how, given he has been considered essentially cleared by the majority, and most people aren't even thinking of attacking him. the only ones I can think of, is us and maybe Nacho, but even then he's hardly getting attention from anyone
I don't recall you ever flipping your read on us, you've been calling us solid scum all day except for the most recent pages where I had replaced.
6092 is where I posted the results, and in 6093 I voted Nacho.
It didn't feel right but in a 2 red 1 blue scenario that's what it has to be. I was already thinking about asymmetric scum teams, but wasn't convinced it makes sense.
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why are you even making this a thingIn post 6162, Ms Marangal wrote:So, your /ohmaigodkillmenow
the only motivation that I can come up with is that you don't want us to find town-
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No. Mostly because of neighborhood symmetry - the same reason why even though I was town-reading CTD based on his posts, I voted him based on neighborhood symmetry.In post 6162, Ms Marangal wrote:So, your /ohmaigodkillmenow Group was Pere because
a few people were suspecting him regardless of his claim, even though one of them was a major scum-read? also, because Nacho has a stronger town-read on you compared to Pere?
That's part of it.and Nacho, for some pretty obvious reasons I think, Given he has been a top suspect all game for alot of people, myself included and has been pushed by multiple different people, and could be a decently easy mislynch if he is town-
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The way you replaced out wasn't null to me. It forced a rethink on other game events, and on the way you guys have interacted with us both individually and as a unit, so to speak.In post 6163, Ms Marangal wrote:also, why did it take the replacing out (which is null) for you to flip your read on us when (I think) there were other, more reliable things to draw upon for a possible town-read on this slot?-
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Who do you have as town? Who do you have as blue?In post 6173, penguin_alien wrote:And in response to someone who said I was roleblocker-fishing, ffullisade I think, um, duh? Rena and ThAd reports indicate there's a scum roleblocker. If we know who it is, we know a scum. I was kind of hoping that all the stuff I was spewing about it early in the day might net something. I don't think it did.-
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bulba is scum. He has to push this kind of thing. He may even believe it because he's not in that much better a position to find other-scum if he's on his own.In post 6178, Nachomamma8 wrote:ffull, please comment on my argument with bulbazak please and thank you.
I'd rather talk about your two posts that he's making all the noise about.
Putting AK in my town pile forced me to remove someone else, and my inviolate town read is pere because of the neighborhood symmetry argument. I was reluctant about it, but if there are two red scum and AK isn't one of them then you have to be.
If there are two red scum.
What if there aren't? What if it's 4-3?
For whatever reason, you started with a different inviolate town read - me. And you went through the same process: That means pere has to be the 2nd red scum given your inviolate read.
If there are two red scum.
I saw it. I saw you go through the same goddamn thought process
Spoiler: stop reading my mind
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This is surprisingly noncommitalIn post 6186, penguin_alien wrote:You're town. If it's not a four-man red scum team with three PRs (namely with a roleblocker plus flipped PRs) then PV's clear. I'm a bit thrown by the lack of engagement from AK when it was a hydra on the topic of the NK's allegedly framing them, and I think AK-Ms Marangal's my first choice for blue scum, followed by Nacho. Nacho could be red scum, but I'm not seeing how the speculation on red scum team composition benefits him much.-
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The balance problem this introduces is huge. A scum player in a neighborhood with the vig is way overpowered compared to the other neighborhoods. The scum player can learn what the vig plans and use that to counter or let them go through depending on target. AND the scum player can potentially influence the vig's targets. When that works, it basically gives the scum team a second factional kill. How well such a setup would be used by scum is dependent on the skill of that player, and could be hugely swingy from a design standpoint.In post 6197, penguin_alien wrote:I'm leaning toward uneven in number teams, but if there are four red scum to match the likely four blue scum, the only way I see to weaken that would be to put another red scum in a neighborhood where he's vulnerable to lynching/being caught out by his neighbor. Unless the last blue scum has a completely kick-ass PR, then there could be four red scum with only Seanald in the neighborhood. But I can't think of a PR that's good enough to join with Ninja to complement Doctor-Tracker-Roleblocker.-
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Do you think we are dealing with symmetric scum teams or 3-4?In post 6213, PeregrineV wrote:@FFluisade-Thoughts on Bulba not being bluescum.
Thoughts on Nacho not being blue, also, if you want.
I feel like Nacho is very unlikely to be blue scum. It made no sense for him to work at all to move the lynch off bulba and onto CTD if he were CTD's partner.
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I've intentionally not followed up on one post addressed to me. I don't recall anything else you posted to me recently.In post 6210, Bulbazak wrote:Ffullisade, you are not addressing any of my posts to you. I'd like you to rectify that please.-
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So did I, implicitly. I've concluded I was wrong.In post 6221, PeregrineV wrote:
Nacho has already said there are 4 red scum.In post 6218, ffullisade wrote:I really can't vote with you because I think it's 3-4. It comes down to PA or Bulba for me.-
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Yes I am.In post 6223, PeregrineV wrote:
So you are now thinking 3 red scum and 4 blue scum?In post 6222, ffullisade wrote:
So did I, implicitly. I've concluded I was wrong.In post 6221, PeregrineV wrote:
Nacho has already said there are 4 red scum.In post 6218, ffullisade wrote:I really can't vote with you because I think it's 3-4. It comes down to PA or Bulba for me.
Even if I'm wrong, I'll want to lynch within the players I feel more strongly are scum. Nacho's red scum if and only if there are 4 red scum IMO.-
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I've reversed my thinking on who is blue, but it comes down to the roleblocker argument. I don't remember PA making much noise about this as an indictment of bulba until this game day, which leads me to think she's known which team's kill was blocked that night and didn't want to draw attention to that knowledge before now.
PA - blue
bulba - red (and probably the roleblocker)
If there is a second red I think it's Nacho.
The only thing that bothers me about my theory is that PA could have played a more on-the-back-foot game today and waited to see where the winds would blow, and that might have been the optimal play unless she was convinced she'd be the lynch if she didn't take a strong early stance.-
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Four reds, including a roleblocker makes that team overpowered compared to the blue scum team. I just can't see that.In post 6229, PeregrineV wrote:
I would probably flip the two colors, but even then, I'm not sure enough where I want to lynch them today. Penguin's game is different from the last time he was scum in this situation. Bulb's almost lynch leans more towards town than scum, but I haven't analyzed the wagons with the latest flips.In post 6226, ffullisade wrote:I've reversed my thinking on who is blue, but it comes down to the roleblocker argument. I don't remember PA making much noise about this as an indictment of bulba until this game day, which leads me to think she's known which team's kill was blocked that night and didn't want to draw attention to that knowledge before now.
PA - blue
bulba - red (and probably the roleblocker)
If there is a second red I think it's Nacho.
The only thing that bothers me about my theory is that PA could have played a more on-the-back-foot game today and waited to see where the winds would blow, and that might have been the optimal play unless she was convinced she'd be the lynch if she didn't take a strong early stance.
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Peregrine, this exchange is one of the main reasons why I don't believe that Nacho is red scum.
He voted Seanald before asking me this question. And asking me this question could have easily led to a resounding "yeah Seanald is scum" if he couldn't accurately predict what sort of meta takeaways I was using at the time. My takeaways are a work in progress and I doubt anybody could predict with much certainty how I would have answered that question when it was asked.
In post 4462, ffullisade wrote:
The vengeball game is the only game that I've played with Seanald so I don't have a town baseline. His posts in this game are different though. Not as defeatest. More aggressive. More opinionated.In post 4455, Nachomamma8 wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
ffery, I read this game and I don't think Seanald is scum here.
Do you agree or am I reading too much into his approach?
By nature, it seems that vengeball is intense and posture-y in some of the same ways as popcorn mafia, which leaves scum players with a limited and dangerous repertoire (from my perspective as someone who is terrible with scum roles). I am not sure how good a vengeball-informed scum baseline will be in pointing up scum behaviors in other games.
Do you think vengeball scum play generalizes to other games?
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meIn post 6246, fferyllt wrote:
Yeah, I said that he voted before he asked me that question. And that looks like he was metadiving Seanald on his own and ran into a Seanald scum game where I played against him and wanted to compare notes.In post 6243, PeregrineV wrote:
Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean.In post 6242, ffullisade wrote:Peregrine, this exchange is one of the main reasons why I don't believe that Nacho is red scum.
He voted Seanald before asking me this question. And asking me this question could have easily led to a resounding "yeah Seanald is scum" if he couldn't accurately predict what sort of meta takeaways I was using at the time. My takeaways are a work in progress and I doubt anybody could predict with much certainty how I would have answered that question when it was asked.
In post 4462, ffullisade wrote:
The vengeball game is the only game that I've played with Seanald so I don't have a town baseline. His posts in this game are different though. Not as defeatest. More aggressive. More opinionated.In post 4455, Nachomamma8 wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
ffery, I read this game and I don't think Seanald is scum here.
Do you agree or am I reading too much into his approach?
By nature, it seems that vengeball is intense and posture-y in some of the same ways as popcorn mafia, which leaves scum players with a limited and dangerous repertoire (from my perspective as someone who is terrible with scum roles). I am not sure how good a vengeball-informed scum baseline will be in pointing up scum behaviors in other games.
Do you think vengeball scum play generalizes to other games?
I'm not comfortable voting him today.
He voted Seanald before you answered, and also before you answered he was voting me 4458, so I'm missing your point.
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One-Hundred-Sixth Votecount:(Thirty-Ninth Votecount of Day Three,AKA, the "Synchronized Mod Activity" votecount.)
Seanald - 6 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, ThAdmiral, Desperado, penguin_alien, Cephrir)
Nero Cain - 3 (CrashTextDummie, Kublai Khan, Bulbazak)
Bulbazak - 2 (Nero Cain, Human Destroyer)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
PeregrineV - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Not Voting - 3 (Seanald, Rena, ffullisade)
With18alive, it's10to lynch.
Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 2:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 14:30:00).
If deadline were to hit now,Seanaldwould be lynched.
Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
The Malakittens half of the Amethyst Kitty hydra is V/LA until July 15th.
PeregrineV is V/LA until July 11th.
Human Destroyer is V/LA until Sunday, July 11th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.
Last votecount was page 178, post 4426.Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
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That's what I decided not to follow up. It's obsolete based on what I think is an improved understanding of how the game could be balanced. I see nothing but walls ahead and I'm not interested in helping produce another huge ball of tangled semantic yarn.In post 6251, Bulbazak wrote:
Which post are you intentionally not following up? The ones I'd like you to answer or address are these:In post 6219, ffullisade wrote:
I've intentionally not followed up on one post addressed to me. I don't recall anything else you posted to me recently.In post 6210, Bulbazak wrote:Ffullisade, you are not addressing any of my posts to you. I'd like you to rectify that please.
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Um...what? I think I got lost somewhere in the middle. Can you break this down for me in simpler terms?In post 6136, ffullisade wrote:I think bulba's a role blocker. I think PA knows it. because of her team - maybe her - getting blocked last night.
Where nacho fits in is less clear to me. But if I'm right about bulba role blocking and Nacho is right about 1 red scum, assuming we mislynch town today, then one townie will die tonight and tomorrow will be 2-1-1. And the game is unwinnable for town even if we lynch scum tomorrow.
If there are 2 reds, then it's possible that it will be a scum who dies tonight and then it will still be 2-1-1 tomorrow and unwinnable unless they shoot each other tonight. And if there is a roleblock two shots won't happen.
If we have 1 red, then Nacho probably isn't it.
I feel like we have to lynch between bulba and PA today and hope for the best.
PA's vote on bulba supports this scenario, I think.In post 6146, Bulbazak wrote:
I think I got lost somewhere around the second paragraph. Can you rephrase your post?In post 6143, ffullisade wrote:Where did the post stop making sense?
Did I? Seriously?Did you ever follow up on this:
In post 6087, ffullisade wrote:I'll post what we're thinking tomorrow.
My next post was a complete shake-up of my stance on the game state, and everything I've posted since then has been informed by that shake up.
I'm speechless.I remember waiting for your post and nothing coming. Was it just a simple "X is red and Y is blue", because I was expecting something bigger? Regardless, we're getting close to deadline and we really need to get this right and lynch red today, so I'd like to know your thoughts. You know mine.-
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Nacho?In post 6270, PeregrineV wrote:
When it starts coming down to math, you want town to miscalculate.In post 6266, penguin_alien wrote:UNVOTE: Bulbazak
For now. I'll be around in the morning, but I'm wavering a bit here. It is true that even if Seanald wouldn't have been that day's lynch without Nacho turning the wagon, but as a claimed neighbor his days were likely numbered.
Bulbazak and PV, if Nacho is red scum, what's his motive for floating a theory and apparently standing behind it that red scum is a three-man team and so is down to one member? He's not using it as an excuse to hunt blue scum instead of red from what I can tell.
But, if Nacho is not redscum, then who is?
One of the things I never shook was this set of exchanges, especially after Ceph flipped redscum.
In post 3709, PeregrineV wrote:Since LOL Mafia just finished, and it featured a scumteam of Cephrir and Nachomamma, I would like to hear a detailed analysis by each of them on the other person, especially comparing their play here to their scum play in LoL.In post 3710, Cephrir wrote:
I can probably do that at some point. Honestly, I've thought this whole game that part of the reason Nacho's townreading me when most people aren't is because I'm playing totally differently (and worse) from that game.In post 3709, PeregrineV wrote:Since LOL Mafia just finished, and it featured a scumteam of Cephrir and Nachomamma, I would like to hear a detailed analysis by each of them on the other person, especially comparing their play here to their scum play in LoL.In post 3746, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Yup. Your read changes in particular that game were opportunistic as hell, whereas here you end up waffling, you express being unsure a LOT more in thread, everything feels more natural here. But if PV wants to hear a "detailed analysis", then he's going to have to actually put some effort into the game.In post 3710, Cephrir wrote:I can probably do that at some point. Honestly, I've thought this whole game that part of the reason Nacho's townreading me when most people aren't is because I'm playing totally differently (and worse) from that game.In post 3996, Nachomamma8 wrote:I didn't. I'm not necessarily completely complying with it, but I didn't ignore it.
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Based on 3746, you think Cephrir is town?In post 3997, Nachomamma8 wrote:I didn't. I'm not necessarily completely complying with it, but I didn't ignore it.
Because I was looking for something a little more comprehensive, likeIn post 3746, Nachomamma8 wrote:Yup. Your read changes in particular that game were opportunistic as hell, whereas here you end up waffling, you express being unsure a LOT more in thread, everything feels more natural here. But if PV wants to hear a "detailed analysis", then he's going to have to actually put some effort into the game.In post 3329, Nachomamma8 wrote:tl;dr When Arc is town, she OMGUSes hard because she's used to scum attacking her for so long. She will also pick out people who have been easy targets, people who she feels like she can defend, and she will defend them from a position of authority (since she knows certain people will read her as town and she can hammer the hell out of them if they attack her). She's lighter as town because it's what she excels at, hence the occasional teasing with the people she interacts with. Her stronger, more aggressive posts are the ones she makes from that position of authority; she doesn't have it as scum and that's her strongest meta point.
Find me something stronger that says REDSCUM and we'll talk about moving my vote.In post 4079, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I'm not that familiar with Cephrir's meta.In post 4022, PeregrineV wrote:Because I was looking for something a little more comprehensive, like-
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What was this about?In post 6275, Nachomamma8 wrote:oh fucking hell nevermind
You don't construct baselines from what you learn about players when you're scum?In post 6276, Nachomamma8 wrote:
this was the first game where i actually had to read cephrir, and didn't have a good baseline of his play until laterIn post 6272, ffullisade wrote:Nacho?-
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I don't have nearly as much practice constructing baselines from games where I was scum due to being a statistical anomaly. But, I find knowing the player's alignment while I'm seeing their interactions is revealing in ways that cold meta never seems to match.In post 6284, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Not nearly as effectively. Especially in a game where I'm letting town wreck themselves and have no real need to care about what's going on.In post 6282, ffullisade wrote:You don't construct baselines from what you learn about players when you're scum?-
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If she's blue she has as much reason, yes. Reason and accuracy don't necessarily correlate.In post 6292, Bulbazak wrote:So your reason for voting me is because Penguin-scum unvoted me, even though she has just as much of a reason to find and vote red scum as we do? Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
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I think my dead hand got him lynched in the Buzzword Bingo game.In post 6332, penguin_alien wrote:...because ffullisade has been so effective at getting you lynched. And I do think you could be blue.
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How do you know the game is over if you are lynched?In post 6333, Bulbazak wrote:Ffullisade, vote Nacho or else the game is over.
Penguin, vote Nacho and then you have the opportunity to kill the other red.-
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I have a reason for wanting Nacho to speculate.In post 6347, penguin_alien wrote:...or you can ask me?-
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How so?In post 6351, PeregrineV wrote:Hmmm, nice predicament here.Reminds me of Cold war mafia.
And this is a Saturday post, meaning this may be it until Monday.-
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I feel like Pere is here because either he's expected to mislynch or he's scum.In post 6362, Nachomamma8 wrote:I wasn't shot by red because I had Bulbazak as a strong townread. I wasn't shot by blue because I had penguin/CTD as strong townreads.
Peng is here because she's expected to be myslynched or she's scum.
I'm here because fill-in-the-blank. I think it's because I'm more likely to mislynch than Mara.
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gah.In post 6365, fferyllt wrote:We are all last men standing today. Unless we nolynch. The survivalist arguments are p much shit at this point.-
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