Really? Who else don't you doubt your townread on? Or are you not going to answer that either because "I don't give away townreads"In post 1821, Wisdom wrote:notscience if you cannot handle it, replace out and blacklist me like the others. Capiche? Otherwise, stop fluffing because I'm that close to starting doubting my townread on you.
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I'm telling you to actually not just look at how I play in ONE game if you're goin to use that as a measuring stick.
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You keep saying that my Mala wagon is bad and goes nowhere and stuff. That assumes you think Mala is town. So yes you went from a strong scumread on her to calling the wagon on her bad. Which is another mother of contradictions.In post 1818, Bert wrote:
1) I thought both of them were scum. And I stand by that. It's not like I went from having a strong townread on Mala and in less than a page of posting or less (in real or virtual time) went from that strong townread to a strong scumread on her.???
How the hell can you advise people not to be self-defeatist and then be one yourself in the fucking same game?2) self-defeatist?? Of course I don't want people to end up giving away the emotions I give when I'm self-defeatist. Because I've seen myself get lynched many times from eing that way, and the people I told that to, I wanted them to go down with a fight, not just give way like I do sometimes.-
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want to make a betIn post 1823, Wisdom wrote:
We are not lynching gm, mollie.In post 1817, 50 Shades of Purple wrote:
we are lynching gm and that is all I have to sayIn post 1813, Wisdom wrote:@mollie
Please don't be stubborn.
Bert is scum. goodmorning is town.
But even if I am wrong about that, it's not wise to lynch from the masons. Relax for a while and think it through and you'll see it's right.-
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1) Where did I say the Mala wagon is bad?? Where did you get this mother of an impression? LOLIn post 1826, Wisdom wrote:
You keep saying that my Mala wagon is bad and goes nowhere and stuff. That assumes you think Mala is town. So yes you went from a strong scumread on her to calling the wagon on her bad. Which is another mother of contradictions.In post 1818, Bert wrote:
1) I thought both of them were scum. And I stand by that. It's not like I went from having a strong townread on Mala and in less than a page of posting or less (in real or virtual time) went from that strong townread to a strong scumread on her.???
How the hell can you advise people not to be self-defeatist and then be one yourself in the fucking same game?2) self-defeatist?? Of course I don't want people to end up giving away the emotions I give when I'm self-defeatist. Because I've seen myself get lynched many times from eing that way, and the people I told that to, I wanted them to go down with a fight, not just give way like I do sometimes.
2) Because I can. Got a problem with that? And to add onto that, I did not self-vote OR threaten to replace-out. Big difference.-
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Why the hell would I do that? Meta exists to be used, not to be ignored.In post 1822, Bert wrote:Then start it with a blank slate nd play this game like you've never played with me before. You're acting so biased, but you're basing everything on my town play which isn't even fairly recent.
My read is affected by MY history with you, not GM's or anyone else's. goodmorning is not supposed to know what you know of my townplay.you were bragging about your history with me that someone else who was reading me as town doesn't, when the fact is that person (Marquis or GM) has JUST as much history as you do with me, and more recent in fact.-
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Where the fuck did I say anything about how you played in ANY game?In post 1825, Bert wrote:I'm telling you to actually not just look at how I play in ONE game if you're goin to use that as a measuring stick.
I said that you know my townplay and you're a hypocrite if you're acting like you don't.-
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Unless you choose to ignore Bert's blatant contradictions, it is getting us to see how Bert is obvscum.In post 1827, notscience wrote:Everyone here needs to step back and take a fucking chill pill. Fighting this hard isn't getting us anywhere.-
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And that stuff about how GM would not antagonize Nacho or voice such confusion...I may have voiced doubt, but GM voiced doubt much later in the game than I did. I voiced doubt when RVS had just gotten out.
Hey, not everyone is gonna go "I'm just gonna be really logical, and therefore Wisdom can't tunnel the hell out of me" Because you know that's exactly how you think scum can get away with being scum - by just being REALLY REALLY logical
Oh hey, I'm not the most logical, and I'm not purposefully trying to make my play 100% logical so that you never scum-read me, am I? On that same token, not all experienced players are gonna buddy Nacho as such.
And no, you did mention 500 popcorn in this game. I'll go find it now, thanks.-
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In post 1829, Bert wrote:1) Where did I say the Mala wagon is bad?? Where did you get this mother of an impression? LOLIn post 1806, Bert wrote:dont'expect everyone to share your reads on Mala either. See where your wagon on her has gotten? Yeah, that's what I thought.-
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So you're saying I should expect you to post nothing in all your scumgames because you did so in Polygamy?In post 1831, Bert wrote:OK then so you're going to disregard 503 Polygamist as a whole. You just said Meta exists to be used?-
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Just because I said the latter doesn't mean Mala's wagon is bad. It just means you shouldn't expect everyone to share your read on me.In post 1835, Wisdom wrote:In post 1829, Bert wrote:1) Where did I say the Mala wagon is bad?? Where did you get this mother of an impression? LOLIn post 1806, Bert wrote:dont'expect everyone to share your reads on Mala either. See where your wagon on her has gotten? Yeah, that's what I thought.-
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No, I'm saying if you don't use Polygamist to go off, then you have nothing to compare my town play to. Therefore, you can't use the past to dictate "this isn't his scum playstyle." People adapt, change, improve, get worse, all that...as town.In post 1836, Wisdom wrote:
So you're saying I should expect you to post nothing in all your scumgames because you did so in Polygamy?In post 1831, Bert wrote:OK then so you're going to disregard 503 Polygamist as a whole. You just said Meta exists to be used?-
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In post 1834, Bert wrote:And that stuff about how GM would not antagonize Nacho or voice such confusion...I may have voiced doubt, but GM voiced doubt much later in the game than I did. I voiced doubt when RVS had just gotten out.
GM wasa replacement. She did not experience the Nacho posts as they happened. And it is something you should be fully aware of since she's your masonbuddy. Yet you scumread her for not being sure on what the hydra is. Like people are not allowed to ever be unsure about their reads. And replacements more so.
What do you want to say here? That you would be logical if you were scum? You know, scum can't just decide "I'll be logical" and expect it to happen. When they have to deal with someone who posts and questions them all the time like me, they'll break in the end no matter how much they wanted to be logical. So save it.Hey, not everyone is gonna go "I'm just gonna be really logical, and therefore Wisdom can't tunnel the hell out of me" Because you know that's exactly how you think scum can get away with being scum - by just being REALLY REALLY logical
Oh hey, I'm not the most logical, and I'm not purposefully trying to make my play 100% logical so that you never scum-read me, am I? On that same token, not all experienced players are gonna buddy Nacho as such.-
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So you think I'm scum yet you're giving me advice?In post 1838, Bert wrote:It just means you shouldn't expect everyone to share your read on me.-
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if you're so sure that I'm scum, Wisdom, it shouldn't matter whether I'm a mason or not.
Scum is still scum.
No. Not advice. It's a rebuttal to what you were saying earlier, which I can't even remember because I'm really confused now from all of this banter. be back after a quick snackieIn post 1843, Wisdom wrote:
So you think I'm scum yet you're giving me advice?In post 1838, Bert wrote:It just means you shouldn't expect everyone to share your read on me.-
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Where the fuck did I compare your play toIn post 1839, Bert wrote:No, I'm saying if you don't use Polygamist to go off, then you have nothing to compare my town play to. Therefore, you can't use the past to dictate "this isn't his scum playstyle." People adapt, change, improve, get worse, all that...as town.anything?-
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Wisdom:
There is a very dramatic difference between someone antagonizing me and someone being inconsistent with their read on me. When people are antagonizing me, paranoid of me, ATTACKING ME, that is fantastic that is wonderful I love it. When a GOOD player like goodmorning pulls a weak scumread on me and cannot properly describe it (most of the time, even "I don't trust you" satisfies me. that's not what happened here), it's usually scum trying to capitalize on the "scum wouldn't attack me" cred. And you can trust me on this because I am Nacho and I am used to how scum deals with me, believe it or not.
Here's the original:
Which isn't even antagonizing me in the first place. "I don't know that I like 242" is nothing close to an actual scumread on me (or a read, really) which is why I prodded it in the first place.In post 683, goodmorning wrote:50 shades - Where is Nacho I WANT NACHO SO I CAN JUST READ HIM AND GET IT OVER WITH
Oh, there's Nacho. I don't know that I like 242
goodmorning's response to "why didn't you like 242"? Important because she's only read me as town once correctly in a game where she was SK and I was town and still she wasn't sure at all. What's important is that goodmorning here doesn't have a good baseline for Nacho-town, she has a good baseline for Nacho-scum. So, this is inconsistent with my experiences with her.In post 1213, goodmorning wrote:For a start, and because it doesn't sound like Town-Nacho.
(not interested in explaining her read on me at all is ALWAYS a bad bad sign)In post 1228, goodmorning wrote:I would assume because you aren't Town.
Duck Duck Goose bit was a lie!In post 1264, goodmorning wrote:In Duck Duck Goose I was quite sure you were Scum the entire game and made that quite clear in the dead thread. In BotE I was insanely paranoid.
I've already said I have a hard time reading you in hydra.
And it's funny she says she's getting the same feeling of Nacho-scum here. Because originally, I just didn't feel like the Nacho-town she was used to, but she lost that too. And she says that she thought I was scum because I was pushing on obvtown and apparently there was a feeling that went along with that and although I'm not making the same strange pushes I still have that same scum feeling.In post 1434, goodmorning wrote:At that point you were. That read was mostly based on your Hiraki push, because he was obvTown and you would have known it.
In this case I don't see you pushing on anyone you should know better, other than me, but I still get the same feeling.
And this doesn't really make any sense either. It wasn't three hours ago, it was two days ago when she pulled the town-Nacho card and apparently she hasn't read our ISO since then and hasn't gotten any more caught up or felt any differently about the read since then despite the line of questioning on it.In post 1440, goodmorning wrote:At that point, yes. That was several hours ago. At this point I've read rather more of the game (read: your entire ISO).
so her read is inconsistent and bullshit and fabricated and no i don't think goodmorning is town.-
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VOTE: Wisdom
Noct is scum and I'm only on page two
Wisdom replaced Noct so...
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