NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Bulbazak · Post Post #5125 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:24 pm

In post 5123, Amethyst Kitty wrote:could someone be an angel and give me the neighborhood pairings?

Slandaar/CTD

PV/ThAd

Desperado/Seanald

Nacho:

In post 5084, Bulbazak wrote:Nacho, how strong is your PV scumread on a scale of MasterMew to RayFrost?

In post 5089, Bulbazak wrote:@Naco: Thoughts on Nero?

ThAdmiral · Post Post #5126 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:16 pm

In post 5123, Amethyst Kitty wrote:could someone be an angel and give me the neighborhood pairings?

As far as I remember its

ctd/slandaar
desp/seanald
me/pere

ThAdmiral · Post Post #5127 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:16 pm

In post 5125, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 5123, Amethyst Kitty wrote:could someone be an angel and give me the neighborhood pairings?
Slandaar/CTD

PV/ThAd

Desperado/Seanald

Nacho:

In post 5084, Bulbazak wrote:Nacho, how strong is your PV scumread on a scale of MasterMew to RayFrost?

In post 5089, Bulbazak wrote:@Naco: Thoughts on Nero?

Lol didn't see this last page.

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #5128 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:40 pm

Oh my god.

In post 5061, Bulbazak wrote:If I am constantly wrong, especially on my strongest scum reads, then I am essentially useless to the town. Add in the fact that I make a popular wagon, which can prove to be a distraction, and there is no reason why scum wouldn't want to keep me around as long as possible, which makes me a liability to the town.

Bulbazak: "Scum want to keep me around as long as possible."

His two strong scum reads are both trying to lynch him. Two out of three of his weak scum reads tried to lynch him yesterday. Even his null read HD wanted to lynch him yesterday and was on his wagon today. The people resisting a Bulbalynch are almost exclusively town reads for him.

Almost all of Bulba's scumreads want him dead or wanted him lynched over Slandaar.

Come the fuck on, this literally couldn't be more obvious.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #5129 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:48 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bulbazak

ThAd goes tomorrow.

Bulbazak · Post Post #5130 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:03 am

In post 5128, CrashTextDummie wrote:Oh my god.

In post 5061, Bulbazak wrote:If I am constantly wrong, especially on my strongest scum reads, then I am essentially useless to the town. Add in the fact that I make a popular wagon, which can prove to be a distraction, and there is no reason why scum wouldn't want to keep me around as long as possible, which makes me a liability to the town.

Bulbazak: "Scum want to keep me around as long as possible."

His two strong scum reads are both trying to lynch him. Two out of three of his weak scum reads tried to lynch him yesterday. Even his null read HD wanted to lynch him yesterday and was on his wagon today. The people resisting a Bulbalynch are almost exclusively town reads for him.

Almost all of Bulba's scumreads want him dead or wanted him lynched over Slandaar.

Come the fuck on, this literally couldn't be more obvious.

CTD, it's like you're purposely being obtuse. Scum wouldn't want to NK me. I never said that they wouldn't want to get me lynched, especially since that'd be the only reason to leave me alone during the night phase. Any actual research into any game I've ever played in will tell you that this is the case (except for Newbie 1337, where I apparently JK slipped and was killed n1). And my reads have nothing to do with who is or isn't on my wagon, especially since I've been clear about my reads since the beginning, and have been calling the same people scum all game.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5131 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:05 am

I think that Nero is town at the moment, but i haven't dived into your recent spat with him because it's getting pretty fucking ridiculous. Will do that when i get computer access again.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #5132 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:58 am

In post 5129, Human Destroyer wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bulbazak

ThAd goes tomorrow.

goes where?

Human Destroyer · Post Post #5133 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:53 pm

In post 5132, ThAdmiral wrote:
In post 5129, Human Destroyer wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bulbazak

ThAd goes tomorrow.
goes where?

penguin_alien · Post Post #5134 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:18 pm

Human Destroyer, how are you going to feel about ThAd if an extra kill shows up?

mastin2 · Post Post #5135 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:34 pm

Bulbazak is at L-2!

One-Hundred-Twenty-Ninth Votecount

:

(Eleventh Votecount of Day Four,

AKA, the "Let's see what the votes are." votecount.

)

Bulbazak - 6 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer)

PeregrineV - 2 (Nachomamma8, Cephrir)

ThAdmiral - 1 (Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Rena - 1 (ffullisade)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)

Not Voting - 3 (Rena, Amethyst Kitty, penguin_alien)

With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 205, post 5100.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D4

Spoiler: Vote History D4

ISO · Post Post #5136 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:46 pm

I guess there's no reason not to go back to sincere voting now

VOTE: Rena

Human Destroyer · Post Post #5137 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:34 am

In post 5134, penguin_alien wrote:Human Destroyer, how are you going to feel about ThAd if an extra kill shows up?

then I guess he could be a serial killer?

I don't think he is though, and I don't think an extra kill will show up.

Bulbazak · Post Post #5138 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:28 am

HD, if you don't think that ThAd is the vig., are you saying that he's lying about targetting me, and if so, for what purpose? What does that tell you about my alignment?

Nero Cain · Post Post #5139 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:47 am

hehehe. 3 days and no prod. This mod team blows.

<<< This would be my bad, due to not being online all of Sunday and most of Saturday. Busy working on a personal project of mine I want to finish before my birthday tomorrow. >>>

PeregrineV · Post Post #5140 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:06 am

I feel like something is missing.

2. CrashTextDummie-neighbor with dead town-Slandaar
3. Cephir
4. Nachomamma8
5. PeregrineV-Me-neighbor with ThAd
6. Nero Cain
7. Bacde
9. Bulbazak
13. Desperado-neighbor with Senald
14. penguin_alien
17. Seanald-neighbor with desp
18. ThAdmiral-my neighbor
19. Haylen-TWF
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal)
22. ffullisade (fferylit+pirate mollie)
23. Human Destroyer

If the neighborhoods are all clean, then that leaves 4-6 scum in
3. Cephir
4. Nachomamma8
6. Nero Cain
7. Bacde
9. Bulbazak
14. penguin_alien
19. Haylen-TWF
21. Amethyst Kitty
22. ffullisade
23. Human Destroyer

If the neighborhoods are suspect, that leaves 1 (less likely) or 2 scum in
13. Desperado-neighbor with Senald
17. Seanald-neighbor with desp
2. CrashTextDummie-neighbor with dead town-Slandaar
18. ThAdmiral-my neighbor
5. PeregrineV-Me-neighbor with ThAd

Since I know I'm not and think Desp is not, and think ThAd is not, can see it in CTD or Seanald.

I think the odds are the same, if done randomly, but neither will be random.

Would like to hear a neighbor-scum scumlist and a clean-neighborhood scumlist from everyone.

ISO · Post Post #5141 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:32 am

What's the point of having two separate scumlists based on something we can't possibly know until we lynch all the neighbors?

It doesn't accomplish anything that just giving a scumlist would accomplish, except that the latter is actually more informative.

Rena · Post Post #5142 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:34 am

CTD wrote: Please tell me that's not the only thing you've taken away from my post, you've managed to quote about the least important sentence from it. To say that he's analyzing my vote against Bulba is a stretch. To call such a throwaway question a town tell in the face of everything else he's done is a bigger stretch. Aren't you the least bit bothered by his play as outlined in the rest of my post?

What's your read on Bulba?

Nah, it wasn't the only thing I took from your post, it was something I needed to query whilst I was thinking. I'm trying to think before posting as part of my new play, it isn't going anywhere fast @.@ Anyway, I didn't say he read town to me, just that questioning votes (especially if somebody moves off yourself and onto the person you are voting).

CTD wrote:The fact that you don't even consider this tells me that a)you are not actually thinking things through in a pro-town manner and b)you are going out of your way to tie people to Bulba.

This actually makes me think Nero is bussing Bulba. I think if Bulba flips scum, we definitely need to look at Nero. I find Nero's play change particularly concerning considering it changed when he was about to be lynched. However, why would scum want to put themselves out in the open like that? Unless he's scum with a powerless role or he was connected to Town on Day One.

I do agree with the rest of your points about him. I think even if Bulba flips town, we would learn a lot for tomorrow.

Vote Bulba

CTD is my strongest town read.

<<< For the record, this is why I prefer votes to be on a new line. I almost missed this vote entirely, and only noticed it because it was explicitly pointed out. >>>

fferyllt · Post Post #5143 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:36 am

That is L-1.

ffullisade · Post Post #5144 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:38 am

In post 5143, fferyllt wrote:That is L-1.

:/

PeregrineV · Post Post #5145 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:38 am

In post 5141, Cephrir wrote:What's the point of having two separate scumlists based on something we can't possibly know until we lynch all the neighbors?

It doesn't accomplish anything that just giving a scumlist would accomplish, except that the latter is actually more informative.

Binary logic- neighborhoods have scum or they do not.

If they do, then who?
If not, then scum in the top, then who?

Nero Cain · Post Post #5146 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:42 am

lets not lynch until I can reply to all the shit from Bulb, Despo, CTD and Rena.

PeregrineV · Post Post #5147 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:42 am

In post 5141, Cephrir wrote:What's the point of having two separate scumlists based on something we can't possibly know until we lynch all the neighbors?

It doesn't accomplish anything that just giving a scumlist would accomplish, except that the latter is actually more informative.

I'll take your townlist, scumlist, and setup spec based on all info given so far.

TIA

ISO · Post Post #5148 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:44 am

I mean, if the neighborhoods contain scum I think said scum are Seanald and you, and if not then the top of my scumlist is Rena and Nero. But I could have just told you "I think Seanald, PV, Rena and Nero are scum" and accomplished the exact same thing, and I'm still going to vote whoever I feel is scummiest out of that list of four, so I still don't see the point. I guess if the neighborhoods don't have scum it would change some of my reads due to associations but A.) I'm not going to reanalyze all my reads right now based on the possibilities that five given players are all town, and B.) We're so absurdly deep in hypotheticals at that point it's not much use anyway.

Basically I feel like you're pretending to be useful.

ISO · Post Post #5149 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:46 am

That said it probably is about time for another scumlist, the only thing is that we haven't had any scumflips in a while, and we haven't lynched any of my suspects, so I don't think it will have changed much.