Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Cabd]

Vote: Rach

I missed you since our last game.

[Cabd]

no its not. you weither buy that i am a miller, a cop cant prove it, so you cant really confirm my claim. and you are not getting what i am saying, if town , for some reason, decides to correctly clear player x, player x should be killed by scum,,, even if towns reasoning is wrong.

Nothing else really worth replying to in your post.

There's the absolute that you're forcing us into. You're making this a dichotomy in

A). All of town reads Sven scum. Sven lynched.
B). All of town reads Sven town. Sven making it to endgame is scummy.

Why are you not considering maybe

C). Town have differing reads on Sven. Sven is not lynched nor is investigated at night.
^^^HELLO SCUM SUCCESS^^^


Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.

Pretty much my thoughts as well. Forcing it into Black or White is really bad when Gray exists. I've also seen plenty of wolves claim miller and make it to a win in endgame, sooo...

VOTE: sven

[Cabd]

If sven is town, mafia would be staying far away from this entire thing, IMO. Let us whip ourselves into a frenzy while they sit back and pop popcorn.

[Cabd]

If sven is town, mafia would be staying far away from this entire thing, IMO. Let us whip ourselves into a frenzy while they sit back and pop popcorn.

Is that what you're doing?

Oh wow, Nacho, you've got me. I''m sitting back and taking no sides on this, I definitely didn't already vote for sven and voice an opinion.

[Cabd]

If sven is town, mafia would be staying far away from this entire thing, IMO. Let us whip ourselves into a frenzy while they sit back and pop popcorn.

and the reason for that would be?

couse it sounds like "if town does A, scum should do B"... which in turn sounds bad, since scum should try to duplicate town

Yes, because there's only one scum strategy that ever works, and playing entirely contrary to that one way has NEVER won scum games.

I think I'm gonna need to start making the sarcasm tags visible again.


@orc, one of the people who have posted already but then not weighed in. Metalsonic also seemed to deflect any RVS pressure, so I'd peg him as scum if sven was town.

[Cabd]

If sven is town, mafia would be staying far away from this entire thing, IMO. Let us whip ourselves into a frenzy while they sit back and pop popcorn.

Is that what you're doing?

Oh wow, Nacho, you've got me. I''m sitting back and taking no sides on this, I definitely didn't already vote for sven and voice an opinion.

You dropped a stance, but it's not that hard to agree with someone's post and pull out a Vote: Sven.

You people do realize he was responding to a hypothetical question of mine where I asked him to entertain sven-town right?

I do.

GiF, what's your read of me?

Yeah, because heaven forbid I agree with anyone that makes a good point. I voted for sven because I'm calling bullshit on the miller claim. Orc typed up the logic behind it pretty well, so why the hell would I need to re-invent the wheel when it's right there to quote?

[Cabd]

Vote: Sven

because i claim to be in a meeting?

Right, so the meeting only allows you to make tiny posts with no content, gotcha.

[Cabd]

i wanna vote cabd

no meeting ended

What, you need permission now?

Vote: Sven

because i claim to be in a meeting?

Right, so the meeting only allows you to make tiny posts with no content, gotcha.

nvm about that town read

I just dislike excuses made on the fly where somebody claims "oh I can't post" and then they post anyways. Chalk it up to my own personal meta if you wish, but town doesn't do that.

[Cabd]

trying to find a post of someone sponging orc, it was about his a b c cases

cant find it, making me furious


@cabd, where did i state i couldnt post?

In response to this:

Sven, where did you go? I expected you to do things while I gave you space.

you said this:

i have a skype meeting

Which would imply you were telling us you could not post.

[Cabd]

Is there some past history about policying rach that I'm not aware of?

Also, when you guys make references to plays not in the game by their nicknames it makes it hard to follow. Can somebody give me a cheat sheet of who is who here?

[Cabd]

VOTE: dntfckngcr

I wonder if he gives a fuck?

* ducks *

No but actually, why the vote, just because he only posted a few times then went raido silent?

[Cabd]

Is there some past history about policying rach that I'm not aware of?

[Cabd]

Maybe we should go policy rach or something.

Because this didn't make any sense to me. And it still doesn't.

[Cabd]

@N: I don't like them either but considering the situation he is in and how he breaks easily the possibility of scum-sven slipping is pretty high.

P-edit: let me post

I don't like the way he phrased it either. Hence why my vote is still there.

[Cabd]

no its not. you weither buy that i am a miller, a cop cant prove it, so you cant really confirm my claim. and you are not getting what i am saying, if town , for some reason, decides to correctly clear player x, player x should be killed by scum,,, even if towns reasoning is wrong.

Nothing else really worth replying to in your post.

There's the absolute that you're forcing us into. You're making this a dichotomy in

A). All of town reads Sven scum. Sven lynched.
B). All of town reads Sven town. Sven making it to endgame is scummy.

Why are you not considering maybe

C). Town have differing reads on Sven. Sven is not lynched nor is investigated at night.
^^^HELLO SCUM SUCCESS^^^


Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.

Pretty much my thoughts as well. Forcing it into Black or White is really bad when Gray exists.

I've also seen plenty of wolves claim miller and make it to a win in endgame, sooo...

VOTE: sven

cite plz. cos I haven't.

fery can you?

I don't know what to make of sven he seems kind of crazy. scum nking a miller doesn't make sense unless the miller isn't a really good job at pushing scum.

It's offsite. That's still allowed to link to right?

[Cabd]

It's offsite. That's still allowed to link to right?

[Cabd]

http://www.sixprizes.com/forums/threads ... -win.9239/
Fair warning, my play was shitty here.

DaGlaceon claims miller super early, lives to lyo, quick hammers for scum win. Same game size (20p)


(I'm the head moderator there so I guess I can give myself permission if I have to)

[Cabd]

So uh... Where the hell did sven go even?

[Cabd]

Oh, right, time zones. Derp. Sweden is cool.

I don't like rach's entrance either. She was VLA when she came into my first newbie game as town, and still was pretty aggressive on naming reads. Here it feels like she's avoiding nailing down her positions exactly.

[Cabd]

Are you tunneling

Who were you talking to? Me?

[Cabd]

In other news, we can lynch TMTOLBTWNTOF whenever you guys are ready to.

In fact, when I decide to go aggo again, he's probably done for.

Wait, what?

[Cabd]

I don't particularly consider myself to be tunneling, no. Your policy on her contradicts her play in the newbie game her and I were both town in, so it's not really the same reasoning. Similar sure, same, no.

[Cabd]

You realize that Cabd has been tunneling sven for the entire game right. I don't like him calling out sven for being /asleep/

And when I call him out he shoots rach some mud, despite him asking me earlier why I would want to policy rach

Yeah, because I totally know when people are asleep.

[Cabd]

hey I paid attention to you I told you to post more

good news NS drug out his old computer and hooked it up it is slow as fuck but gives us sort of 2 computer access til I can buy a new one

Rach tell me how to read Cabd.

Would you like links to my previous games? Her and I only played a newbie game together, and we were both replacements, so she's probably not going to be able to give you what you seem to want.

[Cabd]

It's relevant because rach totally knows the area and can get inside my mind... heh.

(or, at least, can agree with me that the air is so toxic here that it's better to stay inside on MS.net all day than be outside)

[Cabd]

God, woke up to so much activity. Sven stopped looking like shit, so good job. I don't like varsoon or TD. AJ isn't really that much of anything other than null.

UNVOTE: sven
VOTE: Varsoon

[Cabd]

Varsoon makes eggo look like the inferior waffle brand.
TD did shit posts then an ATE when arriving, and ATE = leans scum to me.

[Cabd]

What do you think of 2's AtE?

(Assuming you're talking to me)
You'll have to point it out, I must have missed it in the sea of 2 posts when reading.

[Cabd]

Last one, slight scum-lean.
Top three, that was because you guys brought up an outside game and talked shit about it, i'd be pissed too.

[Cabd]

Let me go back and read it in the original position, then.

@GiF, too bad, it was enough for me. I seem to recall you holding back your own reasoning as well.

[Cabd]

Okay, well, I don't see that first post as a true ATE so much as self-frustration, so null.

[Cabd]

I think everyone reading TMTOF ETCWTF as scum are basing it upon his past game where he did a similar kind of early posting, but eh.

[Cabd]

Yeah, just realized john_h61 has yet to show up. Heh. 1,000+ posts for him to catch up with.

[Cabd]

Also i'd like to redact anything I said about TMTOFETC regarding meta because I just realized that the game is still technically ongoing, and I apologize for that. Sorry all.

[Cabd]

and buldey left out a huge response to the middle of his catch up yesterday, things I would think that he would respond to

I did leave it out, and I was going to respond to it,

but f said she already pressured you on gchat

so I figured I'd leave it be. I already pointed out what stood out to me.

- b

wat

Ummm. Somebody refresh me on this, but is scum allowed to chat outside the mod-given areas? If so, hello scumslip.

[Cabd]

Okay, disregard then.

[Cabd]

My home site allows talking with your scum team in any method you wish, and gtalk is the most popular method. This was before somebody clarified that you are not allowed to do that here. I read it as "X told Y over gtalk to pick up their game" until it was clarified. So not a scumslip.

[Cabd]

GiF- anything else, or was that it?

p-edit- when did I say your interataction with Var was scummy?
those were iso reads, and I misrep those, I apologize. And you never backed up your vote with a scumread, you just said "oh this guy is inactive, scum is inactive, let's vote him!"

p-edit 2-
[quote="GuyInFreezer]HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO PRESS "SUBMIT" sdkjdfkdfklfdkldfklswakjfklfg

GIF I KNOW D: 4th time pressing submit[/quote][/quote]

Also you;'re mis-repping me, I gave reasons a few posts down from the post you quote to claim I gave zero reasons.

[Cabd]

fferyllt: now a more active poster than some players.

[Cabd]

Varsoon, are you trolling or have you seriously discovered something that is a for sure alignment maker?

I seriously doubt you've somehow found something every other player ever has missed, but hey, i've been wrong before.

Too bad we can't use it on you, that would help me a lot.

[Cabd]

Varsoon never trolls.

In that case, why not use it on sven and clear all this miller WIFOM? Clears up a lot of interaction.

[Cabd]

If I was modding a game with 20 players my setup would be likely 4-5 scum, Rach. But it could be higher, depending on how stacked town is with PRs.

[Cabd]

Dayvig: Varsoon

Shut up

I take all responsibility for my actions

Errr.... not sure if srs or lol

[Cabd]

Re: People who wondered how to read me

Most Recent Completed Scum Game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=25
Most Recent Completed Town Game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25373

[Cabd]

Somebody explain to me how the hell replacing out is a town tell, I REALLY don't see it.

[Cabd]

I dunno, I still find it null. Otherwise, replacing out when under pressure would be a good way to "take on for the team".

Besides, I've seen scum replace out once pressure goes away and coast to endgame.

[Cabd]

I dunno, I still find it null. Otherwise, replacing out when under pressure would be a good way to "take on for the team".

Besides, I've seen scum replace out once pressure goes away and coast to endgame.

on this site?

can you link me?

As for where my tell is being based on, sotty in BSG, Sven in Borkgame (not counting DO because his was an force replace, though maybe bo would've counted), and DCL in poetic

These are all replacements that I identified at the time to be town replacements

On a second thought I don't know if this falls into that category or not

Not this site, but yes I can link you if you still wish.

[Cabd]

hmm lemme check the games I replaced into a scum slot in Orc I probably could find one or two.

Site meta differs. I'd prefer onsite.

Rach, if they weren't inactivity boots then I'd like to see them

Fair enough. Site metas do differ. I still stand by this being null though.

[Cabd]

Jon, reads/thoughts so far? Vote? Anything?

[Cabd]

Orc, I'm sure you already posted it, can you link to the case on AJ or just tldr it? I don't really remember it, sorry.

[Cabd]

cabd: I'll talk to you about Aj tomorrow but basically I'm sheeping his hydra buddy nacho

The Aj case was posted by either nacho or mollie one of the two I forget

I am SO tired

Okay I'll go looking at them then. I just don't seem to recall it.

[Cabd]

Ok I was going to decide whether to claim miller or not after I'd read, but I see my predecessor already has.

Confirm I am miller.

You just scumslipped.

I think I see where, but to be sure can you clarify?

[Cabd]

Yeah, so I was right after all. That's exactly what I was thinking.

[Cabd]

Beyond this tag be storyline spoilers quoted from TVT:

Spoiler:

Tyrea is Yumea's daugther, and by extension Kallian's half-sister and an agent working for the Bionite order. She helps Yumea conspire to assassinate Sorean's daugther, Melia in the High Entia Tomb, but is interrupted and defeated by Shulk's group before she has a chance to kill her. She then escapes after her defeat and isn't seen again until after the Mechonis Core events where more of her origins are discovered. The party finds Tyrea in the front gates of Colony 6 and discover that Tyrea is Yumea's daugther by Melia. After recovering on Junks, she leaves the Colony only to find trace energy of Ether before being attacked. The party will then witness a Telethia attack the colony reconstruction HQ, and follow it to Makna Forest. When the party encounters the Telethia, initially thinking it to be a transformed Tyrea, they engage and defeat it. However, Tyrea soon appears unscathed and reveals the Telethia was actually her mother, Yumea, and thanks them for granting her peace before leaving herself. It is also revealed during this sidequest that she is also a half-Hom, despite her long wings.

I could see the miller fitting with flavor maaaaaybe, but it's nothing definite.

[Cabd]

@MOD V/LA until Monday, my girlfriend is moving houses and I get to help

I'm gonna have like 100 pages to catch up on by then...

[Cabd]

So slight break on moving, will read real quick but i'd like to say for the record that I suck and have been playing hell of lazy these past few days, and I'll be doing an actual post and make some solid reads on my return.

Oh and also from skimming, calling bullshit on sonic's ISO speeds, I read SUPER fast (a whole novel in an hour so yeah) but no way you developed a read in under 60 seconds from that ISO.

[Cabd]

Heading back off again, but I'd like to mention that Varsoon dropped his little gambit and then everyone totally forgot about it. Make him use it on 2 or something.

[Cabd]

Still finishing up my girlfriend's move but i've got a second so I'll say that whoever quoted a 6p game quoted one from AFTER the software move.

We recently switched to xenforo. Before that, we were on vbulliten, which does not have group conversations, so wolves chatted anywhere they liked. We tries using hamachi, we tried gtalk, we tried "whatever you want" etc. The game they quotes was one I'm currently running, that uses our new system. My play as scum in games on both 6p and pokegym used the older methods.


Some examples:

3a) Werewolves
The Werewolves are a minority of the town who desire the remainder of the town to be killed. The Werewolves converse through PM, AIM, email, Skype, etc. and decide who they will kill at Night. The Alpha Werewolf will then PM the moderator with their choice.

3a) Werewolves

The Werewolves are a minority of town who are quite hungry at night. Each night, the Werewolves will converse through PM, AIM, email, etc and decide who they will eat that night. Werewolves can only communicate like this DURING THE NIGHT!!! However, I will only accept the killing from one person, the Alpha Werewolf.

The Alpha Werewolf is the head of the Werewolves and makes the final decision on who to kill at night. The Alpha Werewolf will PM the moderator (ABSOLTRAINER) each night whom they decide to kill. Only the Alpha Werewolf can tell me who to kill, so communication between the Werewolves is key.

3a) Werewolves

The Werewolves are a minority of town who are quite hungry at night. Each night, the Werewolves will converse through PM, AIM, email, etc and decide who they will eat that night. However, I will only accept the killing from one person, the Alpha Werewolf.

The Alpha Werewolf is the head of the Werewolves and makes the final decision on who to kill at night. The Alpha Werewolf will PM the moderator (Arcanine/Arbok Master or cardzMaster2004) each night whom they decide to kill. Only the Alpha Werewolf can tell me who to kill, so communication between the Werewolves is key.

NOTE TO WOLVES: Hamachi will not be used for this WW game, as i find it cumbersome and hard to work with. since the software reboot here on the forums, PMing has become much more convienent and will be used during this WW game in place of Hamachi.

[Cabd]

Oh, upon looking, they quoted the one right before my current game. WHich is also after the software move. THe software move happened around the time of game IV

[Cabd]

Pokegym Games Index:
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=170982

6P Games Index:
http://www.sixprizes.com/forums/threads ... dule.7377/

[Cabd]

Just got home from helping my girlfriend move. Will shower and catch up shortly.

[Cabd]

Now we're getting started.

This is a catch-up post as of post #2014, so anything after that is not figured in here.

I'm doing a complete re-read of the game, so some of this may be a repeat of things I or others have said, but it's my own take on stuff.


Topic #1: The Miller Slot

Upon re-reading the first few pages of interaction with Sven, without being "in the moment" I'm less sure as to the alignment of the slot. I don't like a lot of the WIFOM generated by Sven before he left, but he does seem genuinely pissed about getting the role. Not how I'd play miller, but eh. His replacement seems a bit better about everything. I think leaving the miller to a backup lynch and or a vig kill is fine. The tracker results will have to be verified by death anyways; we won't be able to trust any results of it until then.


Topic #2: TiphaineDeath

I counted. It took me three minutes and thirty-six seconds to ISO TD from his first post to post #1242. However, I really don't get his 2 read. Also, a good majority of his posts are one-liners with no actual readability, which does worry me. I'll write this one down as light lean scum. I'll also note that him pushing this MS scum slip reads almost identical to me pushing a "scum slip" of my partner in my most recent scum game (the newbie one I linked with JMO), so MS flipping scum would not affect his read one way or the other.


Topic #3: "2"

This hydra sure does talk a lot. 2 is sitting in the scum list of around half the town right now, and I'm inclined to agree. Personally, going back and seeing the first few pages did it for me, with the early read of sven of town without any other context, guts me to think that they know full well sven's alignment and that they're telling the truth. If 2 flips scum at the end of today, I'll feel much better about our miller slot, as well. The "4 scum" thing that happened in not one but TWO posts is pretty damning too.

Topic #4: Varsoon (and his Gambit)

The actual fuck was that? That was so inherently anti-town and shitty, I'm at a loss for words. Varsoon, what on earth gave you the idea that this stupid gambit was viable? This very well could have led to mod kills for players had the mod not been at hand to shut you down. That said, if he ever gets to L-1 and claims anything male at all, hammer his liar ass. He hopped on the "Imma girl guys" wagon.


Topic #5: AJ

Like I said long time ago, I feel like at least one scum would avoid the miller clusterfuck entirely and find another target. AJ gave a bit of lip service to the miller thing then went the other direction and voted TD. Post 450 he pushes TD again. What I'm really curious about though is why in post 1146 his reads state Bro to be the most town person of everyone.


Topic #6: Metal Sonic:

Sonic is kind of worrying me, but the main thing that pinged my scumdar was him suddenly agreeing with me as being town without any explanation given, right after all the major town players did so. The ISO was also a bit screwy, obviously he didn't read each post, it was a skim, if anything at all.



Topic #7: My Current Reads List

Town (in no specific order):
Nacho
Orc
Andy
Beauty/Beast
Guy in Freezer
Mac (Being super suspicious of me and doing his homework? +1)


Null:
Reverend (leaning more town though now)
Ghostlin (Leaning town though)
Rach (Say more, jeez)
TMTOLBTWNTOF (he's done nothing really, two or three posts isn't enough for a solid read IMO)
Keybladewielder (start posting, let us form a read of you. Also, you claimed to have reads so out with them)
dntfkingcare (We'll see how his replacement reads, his posts were devoid of much of anything tbh)
Sajin (I need to ISO you before I sort you into either pile)
Bro (I need to ISO you, too)

Here be Likely Scum(s):
AJ
Metal Sonic
2
Varsoon
TD

Obviously not all five of those are the actual scumteam (jeez wouldn't THAT be nice) but that's the list I want to bark up.

Voting AJ and proud of it.

VOTE: AJ

[Cabd]

It's not cad-b it's cab-d. If you can't remember it, use "C".

[Cabd]

Here be Likely Scum(s):
AJ
Metal Sonic
2
Varsoon
TD

That's five. Where did you get three?

[Cabd]

No, 2036 makes me feel better about TD actually, if varsoon is scum. I doubt scum would bus so quickly on a case when it's a miller leading it.

[Cabd]

Hey what's going on in this game?

Wait, what? Is this the other head?

[Cabd]

You have no opinion about Orc, Nacho, or 2?

Like, the three most active players?

[Cabd]

Hey what's going on in this game?

Wait, what? Is this the other head?

Brilliant deduction.

Can I have a cookie? Which one is this, I always confuse you two. And what is happening is that we are playing mafia. Amazing, I know.

[Cabd]

I honestly don't think this game is multiball but eh what do I know.

Also, Jiffy, do you have an actual case on me or am I on your scum (not-flow)chart because you don't like my snarky replies?

Also, my post #2045 was to keyblade not you. No need to get so upset on me here.

[Cabd]

Personal modding experience on sites not named mafiascum.

Usually 20 man games are 5/15 (or 4/16 if scum has super good power roles) from everything I've seen before.
But like I said, I'm much newer to the site than the rest of you, for all I know multiball is the standard here. From a mod POV I just find multiball so hard to balance properly, it's a nightmare.

[Cabd]

Just finished co-modding a setup today that was 20 players, 5 mafia (one of which was mafia traitor and joined N2) and 15 town.

[Cabd]

Errr... Mafia spy. Not traitor. Whatever the role is that appears town until converted into being a wolf.

[Cabd]

Interesting, but sadly we could speculate for hours and never get anywhere. Can you explain to me why you find rach town? I'm finding it very hard to read her and I really don't get why everyone finds her town with so few posts and so little content.

Also, if keyblade could answer my question that would be great.

Keyblade:

You have no opinion about Orc, Nacho, or 2?

Like, the three most active players?

[Cabd]

I guess I can see that, I dunno. I sucked at reading her in our newbie game too, I thought she was scum when she was town doc.

What do you mean by "awkward" though?

[Cabd]

Also, sorry if I missed it, but I remember reading you saying 2 made a huge scumslip. What exactly was it? I find 2 scummy for other reasons and to be honest I don't remember any major slip...

[Cabd]

Errr... by you I mean your slot, I dunno which head.... Yeesh hydra's are confusing sometimes.

[Cabd]

So uh... Usually i'd keep this to myself but it's setting off alarm bells in my gut.

B&B was able to speculate on both the setup and the power level of the game, but supposedly only has their own role card....

This worries me.

@anyone who has played with them before, do they always speculate that assuredly on setups?

[Cabd]

It doesn't really match up to what Sven/Rev claimed as the seer result would be, though, I think.

@REV, what does your card say about when you are seered, paraphrase is fine.

[Cabd]

NUTZ

Bork is clearly a squirrel.

[Cabd]

But in all seriousness, It's not something I'm gonna vote you over, BB, but it's just something that distresses me a bit.

[Cabd]

2, do you consider my post(s) against you so insignificant i'm not worth responding to? Or did I miss your response in the wave of posts?

[Cabd]

Also where is TMTOLBTWNTOF?

You there?

[Cabd]

Thank you. Still waiting to hear what "OMG AMAZING" scumslip 2 made, though, before I sign on to vote them. My new hesitation comes from BB pushing so hard for 2 and the earlier issue about setup speculation sounding so darn sure of it....

[Cabd]

the scumslip must have been Mollie's half.

Mollie?

[Cabd]

the scumslip must have been Mollie's half.

Mollie?

This slot is played by Pirate Mollie and Majiffy. Mollie is the one who mentioned the scumslip, so that's up to her to explain.

I'm aware, I'm asking mollie to clarify when she gets online.

[Cabd]

Thank you. Still waiting to hear what "OMG AMAZING" scumslip 2 made, though, before I sign on to vote them. My new hesitation comes from BB pushing so hard for 2 and the earlier issue about setup speculation sounding so darn sure of it....

why are you so worried about what I saw but can't comment on but not nacho?

Hey I can't explain how X works or what X is, but X implicated BB as scum!

See the issue i'd have? Nacho is the same issue but he's not online at the moment.

[Cabd]

2, do you consider my post(s) against you so insignificant i'm not worth responding to? Or did I miss your response in the wave of posts?

I don't recall the questions. Could you quote them? Maybe I considered them insignificant, or maybe I missed them.

- b

It's fine, f got them for me.

[Cabd]

You're welcome to answer them too, b. It was my bigger post a few pages back asking about the 4 scum thing.

[Cabd]

If borky won't let you post it why the hell are you using it to push a lynch?

I don't like it. For all I know you're just claiming you talked to bork and you don't actually have jack shit on 2.

This is like signing a contract that the other party won't let you read first.

Would you sign a bunch of loan paperwork without reading it first?

[Cabd]

I'm not saying you're scum, I just... ugh i don't even know this just seems so wrong. You're accusing 2 super hard, and then not even allowing 2 to even be able to respond to your case, because you say the mod won't let you actually state it.

So then I guess the best followup question I can give you is this:

Are you so sure that 2 is scum to the point that you'd willingly jump off a cliff if 2 flipped town?

If your conviction is THAT strong, then I will respect that.

[Cabd]

[quote="In post 2329, BeautyAndTheBeast"

I feel pretty strongly about it. in fact I will say YES.

I want to discuss it with nacho. it is my nature to doubt my reads and question them but I feel pretty good about this one. I have questioned it and looked at it from all angles and yes, I feel pretty confident about this read.

-mollie[/quote]

Okay. Talk to nacho, confirm it, because I won't sign up to that wagon until I'm sure that you're sure. It's nothing personal mind you. I just really don't want to rush into this. What do you/nacho have on AJ/2 that you CAN tell us?

@bork can you at least confirm that you did in fact tell BB/Nacho they could not post a certain amount of information?

[Cabd]

Blah, quote tags fail. Hold on.

[Cabd]

Fixed version:

I feel pretty strongly about it. in fact I will say YES.

I want to discuss it with nacho. it is my nature to doubt my reads and question them but I feel pretty good about this one. I have questioned it and looked at it from all angles and yes, I feel pretty confident about this read.

-mollie

Okay. Talk to nacho, confirm it, because I won't sign up to that wagon until I'm sure that you're sure. It's nothing personal mind you. I just really don't want to rush into this. What do you/nacho have on AJ/2 that you CAN tell us?

@bork can you at least confirm that you did in fact tell BB/Nacho they could not post a certain amount of information?

[/quote]

[Cabd]

bork can you at least confirm that you did in fact tell BB/Nacho they could not post a certain amount of information?

I will not comment on such a scenario.

The rules should clarify lines of communication that are considered inappropriate topics for in-game conversation. Any hypothetical ruling I give to someone about what they may or not talk about would simply be a restatement, clarification, or interpretation of those rules.

That's what I thought.

Noted.

[Cabd]

What do you/nacho have on AJ/2 that you CAN tell us?

This was directed at you, beauty.

[Cabd]

Let me be clear.

I'm not saying 2 is reading town in my book. It's still leaning scum because despite the answer I think the 4 thing was a slip.

However. I'll be damned if I lynch ANYONE on "evidence" that doesn't fucking exist.

I figured out what I was feeling a few posts ago. The word I was searching for was "unethical"

It is unethical as fuck to push a lynch on "illegal" evidence that you can't even speak about.

As far as I'm concerned, until you (BB) and nacho present the other parts of the case, you have no case.

P-Edit: Rev I like this direction, let's go there.

[Cabd]

Also, Varsoon, I'm gonna pencil you in as the VI (not not the player) for now. Looked back at some of your past games and yeesh.

[Cabd]

Yes, I'm aware of the distinction.

That's all I really wanted out of the exchange was to hear your case aside from the ongoing game stuff. See? It just took me apparently pissing you off to get it.

Can I have your case on AJ too, please?

[Cabd]

I'm starting to suspect we might have a lyncher/lynchee... but I'm not sure if that's the sort of thing that would be in a game like this. Would explain a lot though.

[Cabd]

Oh, my bad. That's better to know then. In that case BB's aggressiveness in tunneling just kinda makes it over the top.

[Cabd]

I'm starting to suspect we might have a lyncher/lynchee... but I'm not sure if that's the sort of thing that would be in a game like this. Would explain a lot though.

Please don't start with this. If there is 3rd party win condition should not affect town play ever. The victory condition for such a 3rd party will not end the game prematurely, and if it does I will lynch the mod in the post game.

Lynch based on scum play and town play and don't use this as a reason to doubt.


But hey out of curiosity what would a lyncher help explain?

Why BB

was

is tunneling 2 so damn hard that it hurts.

[Cabd]

I ssee micro 161 is over, and 2 was town there. I'll be reading that, back in a bit with thoughts from it.

[Cabd]

Nah, as pointed out to me, mod specifically said no lynchers/lynchees.

[Cabd]

Ghost, I linked my meta a few pages ago, they'll be there on my ISO. To answer your question, BB actively herds back towards 2 when people push other scum reads. I get that BB is certain and that nacho is certain or whatever. I don't have past games with either of the two (with the exception being nacho replacing into a scumslot in my first newbie game after I was dead) so you can't expect me to just sheep them because of their past history. Because I won't.

BB, me disagreeing with you doesn't make me scum. You don't like me, fine, I get it. Get over it.

[Cabd]

Re: People who wondered how to read me

Most Recent Completed Scum Game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=25
Most Recent Completed Town Game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25373

Here, this makes it easier for you, Ghost.

[Cabd]

Oh, so now I'm working with 2? My goodness you hate being wrong and you'd rather push shit into the ground wouldn't you.

Note where my vote is. Not on 2. It's on AJ. AJ>2 in reads. But if you'd stop your prissy ranting and read my other posts, you'd note I was doing a read of the finished game that 2 just lost in, to compare 2's town play there to their play here. But you totally skipped that post. You're town, but you can't take being wrong.

[Cabd]

To answer your question, BB actively herds back towards 2 when people push other scum reads. I get that BB is certain and that nacho is certain or whatever. I don't have past games with either of the two (with the exception being nacho replacing into a scumslot in my first newbie game after I was dead) so you can't expect me to just sheep them because of their past history. Because I won't.

Bullshit. I answered ghost right here.

[Cabd]

so if you are sus of 2, why are you not pursuing that read. <----- I would like an answer to this question

I answered this too, stop being an ass.

But if you'd stop your prissy ranting and read my other posts, you'd note I was doing a read of the finished game that 2 just lost in, to compare 2's town play there to their play here.

[Cabd]

I'm reading the 2 game because I don't push a read to lynch status until I'm sure of it. And until I see what town 2 looks like to get an idea of what scum 2 might be, I'm not pushing it. That's my play style, you'll just have to accept that. I dont have jack shit for history playing with f or b; hell, I barely remember what their main account avatars loom like let alone how to read them.

I'm not saying I won't lynch 2 when the time comes for it. I just refuse to do so until I've made up my mind and settled my doubts.

[Cabd]

*look like.

[Cabd]

That said I am halfway through reading micro 161 and I'm finding your (BB's) findings pretty correct about aggressiveness levels.

[Cabd]

Rach explained things in 378 and you posted in 381. How convenient. You can piss off already. I know that you're scum, so it's only a matter of time before either you get lynched, or I get killed/lynched in which case everyone else BETTER FUCKING LYNCH YOU WHEN THEY SEE MY FLIP.

- b

I don't really see posts like these here. Town B makes lots of things like this.

[Cabd]

I don't mean your temper I mean your hard-pressure.

[Cabd]

Tunnel the shit out of him like you do in other games? Push him for reads? You're the one that knows your hard-ass game best.

[Cabd]

Yes, it was several days ago. He's not getting replaced though as far as I can tell. I miss the user tagging feature from 6P...

Your ISO is really long, any chance you could tell me what it is you found scummy about him besides the lack of reads? Or was that it?

Call me scummy for it, but I'm not swinging for 2 unless we hit deadline.

[Cabd]

And if you try to pull this talking down to me shit again mollie, I'm not going to sit there and take it. I let you vent the first time. Not again.

[Cabd]

finding myself doubting that Cabd is town, regardless of any townslips after his interactions today.

He's town as fuck. What scum motivation do you see in his posts?

- b

some of his recent posts are strange. the suggestion of mollie being a lyncher is a bit fucking ridiculous by every stretch. obviously there are no lynchers but it's kinda a roundabout of trying to discredit mollie kinda like "you're so bad, are you trying to get lynched?" or something similar. I mean it's just a strange way to address mollie.

That would be because I'm pissed as utter hell that not agreeing to follow mollie blindly seems to make everyone pissy. The only thing strange about it is I finally have time to devote to this game, and so you're gonna see a lot of "off the cuff" sorts of posts. I don't bottlecap my mind, I let it run over everything out loud.

[Cabd]

I even agreed at that point that 2 was likely scum and only didn't want to take mollie at her word for something she's not even allowed to explain. But she just couldn't accept me not liking her fucking "smoking gun" or whatever on beleif alone and so got pissy at me for it.

[Cabd]

And yes, before anyone asks, yes I am pissy about this. You're one of those ends justify the means players, mollie. Your type gets under my skin so fucking bad.

[Cabd]

I'll decide that when I read it. If nothing else, reading is something I can do. Mollie, where is the place where you townread and worked? Where was the starting point of that, and I'll read around there.

[Cabd]

this is not what I care about. pissed or not at mollie, why did you suggest she was a lyncher?

To answer your question, BB actively herds back towards 2 when people push other scum reads.

[Cabd]

Oh. Well that was a waste of a post now. Dammit. Oh well. Reading.

[Cabd]

Actually, better question. Why did B get modkilled? I mean there's no link to it so I can read form start but a general idea of where or why would be great?

[Cabd]

Nevermind found it. That was weird.

[Cabd]

Betting is kinda a dumb rule but site rules are site rules.

Now finding the interactions of B and mollie.

[Cabd]

Are we going to go in circles? I told you, I'm reading their completed games. I suck ass at certain forms of hunting, I'm best at metacases, I don't have meta yet, so I'm reading and developing meta. I've said this.

[Cabd]

Metal sonic went and hid once pressure went away. Can haz counterwagon instead of twidling thumbs and chasing own tails while waiting for orc and nacho to get back?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Metal Sonic

[Cabd]

Errrr..... Rach you're worrying the fuck out of me now. That was very possibly a scum slip just now. Did you not bother to actually read one of the most talked about posts in the game?

[Cabd]

Case against sonic:

1.
Somehow manages to ISO another player with a few posts from a town POV (which means reading deeply not skimming the shit out of it) within a minute. It's doable, but only if you're only looking for stuff that would affect you or a few other people (aka his scum team)

2.
Accepted me as town without really explaining why or questioning it. I'd sure as hell not be sold at me being town that early, I

was

am fucking horrible today.

3.
Stopped really doing... anything once the BnB x 2 x Cabd threesome orgy started. Actually, well before that started.

[Cabd]

Alright. For lack of a better term, and forgive me, I'm trying to work this shit out since I've not played the game: It looks like she starts out as a boss, but you can do stuff with her that makes her a...quasi good guy? later. Which explains the Miller. I'm not going to assume what the Tracker might mean, might not mean, in the form of the setup.

That sounds about right. Not "good" so much as "not bad", from the sounds of the synopsis.

[Cabd]

Case against sonic:

1.
Somehow manages to ISO another player with a few posts from a town POV (which means reading deeply not skimming the shit out of it) within a minute. It's doable, but only if you're only looking for stuff that would affect you or a few other people (aka his scum team)

2.
Accepted me as town without really explaining why or questioning it. I'd sure as hell not be sold at me being town that early, I

was

am fucking horrible today.

3.
Stopped really doing... anything once the BnB x 2 x Cabd threesome orgy started. Actually, well before that started.

1. The fact that he's keep pushing it is towny.
2. That's MS in general. Lazy.
3. That's MS in general. Randomly pop up and post.

Jee whiz I wish I could just sit on my ass and not do anything and be lazy as shit and have random people defend me.

[Cabd]

Well that was a lot to come back to. Reading. BTW I have meta with waynegg.

[Cabd]

Errrrr, 2, I was reading you town again. Why did you have to go and kill that?

Also, slight correction to my above post, I have TOWN meta on waynegg, never played with scum-egg; but I'm pretty sure I can figure him out.

[Cabd]

Wayne always challenges the authority figures regardless of alignment, so that's pretty null but it did give me a little chuckle yeah.

[Cabd]

^
Misrep

Agreed.

Willing to back the 2 wagon if needed since I agree 2 is scummy, but in the meantime I am interested in people's thoughts on Sajin.

He came out of nowhere with a super scummy interaction with you, and I'd turn a wagon for it, maybe. Will have to go ISO. Hang tight.

[Cabd]

metal sonic can you post some of your previous games please.

Somebody asked you a question about me and you never answered IIRC. Would you mind humoring it?

[Cabd]

Ok my ISO says not willing to wagon, early game was too town to let one incident lead to a lynch.

[Cabd]

The eeebie-jeebies didn't start until post 2552 TBH

[Cabd]

I will say three days is WAY more than sufficient to catch up on 3kish posts. That's the only actual post that gave me a "this guy could be scum" moment. The others, upon re-read, are just him engaging you for answers.

[Cabd]

Waynegg throw out a few town and scum reads so I can get a grip on you.

[Cabd]

Wow... I wake up to this.

Um. I really hope you're scum and I just read you wrong 2...

[Cabd]

The hammer deprived nacho and Orc of the ability to weigh in.


If the hammer voter flips scum those two go auto town IMO

[Cabd]

This is an official "I apologize to Mollie and Jiffy for being an ass" post.

[Cabd]

I'm back too, sorry bout that

Rev kill is interesting.

Well done on 2, BnB

VOTE: Aj

Varsoon needs scrutiny

Meh I feel like it was just the vig doing what vigs do.

[Cabd]

Also Re: Letters/Waynegg fusion, he's still null. He hates giving reads as town, to give them so freely is bad. He likes to go after super town people as both alignments though. Like, he literally tried to lynch the confirmed cop with several successful guilty result-->lynches. Also, he never puts himself as a town read on his reads as town, or at least I sure don't recall him having ever done so. But it's not enough to go off of, more observation needed.

[Cabd]

Voting AJ and proud of it.

VOTE: AJ

VOTE: AJ

[Cabd]

Also at this point if nacho is scum then scum deserves the win purely out of "holy fuck he's got balls the size of texas" points.

[Cabd]

No, wayne/partner, I'm talking about your cult game.

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=151074

[Cabd]

Also Re: Letters/Waynegg fusion, he's still null. He hates giving reads as town, to give them so freely is bad. He likes to go after super town people as both alignments though. Like, he literally tried to lynch the confirmed cop with several successful guilty result-->lynches. Also, he never puts himself as a town read on his reads as town, or at least I sure don't recall him having ever done so. But it's not enough to go off of, more observation needed.

so he throws his town game in support of his scum one?

cos you just described super scummy behaviour as town. and insinuated that there is purpose to it

Nah he really just doubted everybody at all times. You can go read his link, I was modding that game. It was like day... 7 or 8. There's an index post in my second or third post of the thread.

[Cabd]

I'm not sure i'd actually go and vote for spinach tho. Wayne is like one of those rednecks that sits in their front porch with the shotgun loaded and the safety off. Trusting nobody, doubting everyone. So he goes null because BRO makes a good case.

[Cabd]

Also at this point if nacho is scum then scum deserves the win purely out of "holy fuck he's got balls the size of texas" points.

no

That was a joke mollie. You know that.

[Cabd]

SAD

Endorse. Key was scummy as high hell. Flat out ignoring the three most major player sin the game when giving "solid reads list" my ass.

[Cabd]

ok, basic reads:

Rev - null, but not liking putting his null reads in scum pile.
Cabd - townie
Metal Shounic - null
Varsoon - annoying but town
and AJ - same as always, jerky. leaning scum

Haven't paid much attention to Orc or 2,, but Nacho literally always plays the same from what Ive seen. So nulln o him

These make me like key as scum too.

And this one all but sells it once AJ flips scum (cuz he will):

Mac and nacho are actually posting helpful things, whereas AJ is just being.... AJ.

[Cabd]

Oh, or he could post reads on a player that is dead. Dammit waynegg, you're town aren't you.

[Cabd]

No fucking way waynegg would be scum and forget mac is dead. He'd have read the shit out of his quicktopic. Twice for good measure.

Townslip

[Cabd]

No fucking way waynegg would be scum and forget mac is dead. He'd have read the shit out of his quicktopic. Twice for good measure.

Townslip

why did he have two reads lists made up?

I do it myself sometimes, keep a log of reads in a word doc somewhere. Very likely he had a new version but copy pasted the older list.


But yeah orc, it's not super strong, but that plus Bro's analysis does it well enough for me for now.

[Cabd]

Oh, or he could post reads on a player that is dead. Dammit waynegg, you're town aren't you.

He replaced in halfway through the night right

I feel like this isn't as strong a tell in this circumstance as it normally would be

Wait, no. He replaced in near the end of day one. Not overnight.

[Cabd]

I finished reading and taking notes on every post 10 minutes before the thread opened back up. I had several versions of lists going in case something gave me reason to double or triple guess myself. I just copypasta'd the wrong one the first time.

This is his paranoia. Prop town for now. About on level with varsoon.

[Cabd]

I finished reading and taking notes on every post 10 minutes before the thread opened back up. I had several versions of lists going in case something gave me reason to double or triple guess myself. I just copypasta'd the wrong one the first time.

This is his paranoia. Probp town for now. About on level with varsoon.

EBWOP *prob

[Cabd]

I've literally only seen him as third party cult. Once. He's been town every other time I've played with him or observed him.

No, wayne/partner, I'm talking about your cult game.

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=151074

That's the link.

I can hunt his past games, hang on a second.

[Cabd]

MS continues to post like shit, can we kill him now please?

vote MS

MS continues to post like shit, can we kill him now please?

vote MS

Fuck off

VOTE: TD

Errrrr. Slapfight much? Can you both contribute so I can stop reading you both as leaning scum please?

[Cabd]

Yo nacho.

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=132681
Waynegg towngame

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.ph ... ost2037707
Waynegg Towngame

He has no scum games other than that cult game on the gym. He was town in the 6p game he linked as well.

[Cabd]

Interesting. I find paranoid players are more creative as scum; the paranoia itself takes a creative process and it's the centerpiece of their towngame, so they tend to gambit a bit more as scum. But this theory is not properly fleshed out yet, but. There you go. I'm going to be looking and that paranoia and diving into it, and if it's good, we're good.

We can look at him once we've put AJ 12 feet under. I agree, I gambit as town all the time on my home site and it lets me do crazy shit as scum. But he's got no gambits to his name as town. Paranoia yes. Gambits no.

[Cabd]

I'm contributing, I found scum X_x. Said scum is pissily voting me because his "Oh gosh darn I was wrong let me go do this obv townie thing" card didn't work on me.

Then present an actual case? Because it looks like a slapfight from here.

[Cabd]

No dork I'm calling you town. Also I totally ignored that game woopsies. TO be fair I was the N1 nightkill, and SS& and I were having more fun in deadland.

[Cabd]

We can look at him once we've put AJ 12 feet under. I agree, I gambit as town all the time on my home site and it lets me do crazy shit as scum. But he's got no gambits to his name as town. Paranoia yes. Gambits no.

ughh! are you trying to frame me for tunneling you or something?

post 970 I revealed the Gambit after accomplishing what I needed to accomplish- http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.ph ... t=werewolf

So as you can see nacho; he's paranoid like this even when peeps are calling him town. He's really good at getting an internal mis-rep of posts too.

[Cabd]

Sorry nacho, but depending on how things play out today I might start shipping Mollie-Andy

[Cabd]

Case point#1 One minute Iso
Case point#2 post#2778 is a scum post. "great job getting that scum guys, so very sorry I wasn't on the wagon. BTW my opinion of him was downgrading just before you lynched him." This can also be read as, "please give me town points and don't like me with 2, pretty please?"
Case point#3 Post#2825 Discredits townslip to fence sit on waynegg, says he should iso AJ to fence sit AJ. Also waaay too concerned about credit and shit.
Case point#4 post#2833 Over reaction to my continued tunneling. Feels pressured even though no pressure is on him, lashes out. There is a difference between scum omgus and town omgus, this is scum.
Case point#5 ONE. MINUTE. ISO.

Happy now?

Doing an internal Jig, I assure you. However, is your read on him stronger than your read on AJ?

[Cabd]

So guys if this is in fact multiball, why the hell would either scum shoot the miller, tracker claim or no? Isn't that better to leave to much later? I mean there's so many juicy obvtown targets and they chose the miller?

I'm still thinking unclaimed vig, not multiball, but I guess if we have multiple deaths night two we'll know.

[Cabd]

Wooooooooooooow.

I sure as hell saw squat. But okay then orc, you outed it. Nice.

Alignments unconfirmed, right? You both feeling town on each other then?

[Cabd]

Bad question or not, I'm confused and it would really be nice if somebody would put on an IC hat for a second and explain it.

[Cabd]

Bad question or not, I'm confused and it would really be nice if somebody would put on an IC hat for a second and explain it.

Talking about the kill done at night does nothing but create unnecessary WIFOM (particularly Day 2, with no other associations). Sometimes mafia will kill players you don't expect to manufacture this WIFOM.

Now, there are a number of players already guilty of this, including myself; but that's the general reason why not.

In general yes I get that, but I mean in this case it helps determine if we have multiball or not, soooo....

[Cabd]

Mollie, your other head seems to hate me with a passion.

[Cabd]

Bad question or not, I'm confused and it would really be nice if somebody would put on an IC hat for a second and explain it.

what are you confused about

Answered by ghost, thanks tho.

[Cabd]

Mollie, your other head seems to hate me with a passion.

lol, he doesn't! that is just how majiffy is. he pushes people in order to get a reaction and he can be super abrasive at times but he is a very sweet guy and none of it is personal. there are few people he actually dislikes

I'm aware. It was a joke. I respect his playstyle, I just don't share it.

[Cabd]

Is GIF VLA or something? I expected a ranty post of love by now.

[Cabd]

15 minute response time. Wow.

[Cabd]

Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.

I lol'd.

[Cabd]

i have failed at pagetopping 3 times today, here's where you get your VC

We love to mess with you bork~

[Cabd]

Could one of you guys order me a pizza or something? I'm really hungry, but broke.
Like, I'll give you my address and you can pay online for it or something.

Not sure if joking or just lame.

Mind explaining your andy read? Or hell, your cabd read?

[Cabd]

Could one of you guys order me a pizza or something? I'm really hungry, but broke.
Like, I'll give you my address and you can pay online for it or something.

Not sure if joking or just lame.

Mind explaining your andy read? Or hell, your cabd read?

Oh, because ordering a pizza for someone isn't lame?
Come on, it's that mentality which perpetuates our cynical, non-pizza-ordering society.

Explanations? Just suspicions.

I'm Italian, online order pizza is mostly crap anyways, so we're doing you a favor by not ordering it for you.

So you don't actually have a case on andy (or myself, or anyone else one your list) besides gut suspicions, ooor?

[Cabd]

No as in I live in California, but my Italian blood makes me cry over crappy pizza. So you're saying your read is so weak you're unwilling to present it? Or are you saying that you think you just saying "I suspect X" is sufficient?

[Cabd]

hum. Didn't get what I quote tagged from the first page of ISO.

Regardless, B&B, why aren't you scum?

Okay

So are we lynching varsoon before or after aj

Because we're lynching varsoon

After.

Also, the telling thing, guys, was how hard 2 defended me and ignored varsoon while it was the two of us expressing doubt openly as to 2's being scum.

[Cabd]

Yeah fuck man I'm scared of your opinions yeah that's it


To everyone else: sorry I haven't been posting substantially, but I don't really see a lot to talk about given today's lynch is a bit of a foregone conclusion before now. Ill make something big when I get home

You're squirming again.

Oh my GOD.

bure bure bure bure
Your axle is shaking

wondering if aj is another scum special role tbh

I mean LOOK AT THAT POST

Which is exactly why we're going AJ first, varsoon second. Unless we revisit key/whoeeveritisnow tomrorow

[Cabd]

Wait, like what the fuck do I have to do with that quote chain at all to be mentioned here? I've been staying quiet as to not "Spread wifom" (because god knows none of you would trust my reads until I die anyways), but still: What am I missing that I'm involved here?

I've got this one.

bure bure bure bure
Your axle is shaking

reads as an attempt to pull people off your wagon to pile on his. He's giving himself up in your defense. The only motivation I can see for that is that he knows your role and it's more important than his. Since a good many people see both you guys as scum, logic would be you have a scum PR.

I really hope AJ is a scum PR.

Also, do you -really- think I'm trying to make myself a lynch target when I've got a vote on AJ?

Your play this game advocates a(n)

( ) insightful ( ) interesting (X) uncommon ( ) crazy

approach to fighting scum. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from meta to meta.)

(X) Scum can use it as a blank check to hide.
(X) It is just as likely to get false positives.
(X) It violates the mod’s rules.
(X) It will get townies killed
(X) It requires scum to be stupid
( ) It does not account for the closed nature of the setup
(X) Your solution speculates at the setup
(X) The townbloc won’t put up with it
(X) Requires too much cooperation from scum
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(X) The town cannot afford the risk.
(X) Scum will see it coming ten miles away
(X) Anyone could fake the result they want

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

(X) Rules expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of confirmed townies
( ) Timezones
( ) Ease of planning a response in advance assuming scum daychat
( ) Asshats
(X) Nobody trusts you
(X) Unpopularity of new gambits
(X) The existence of already successful scumhunting tactics
(X) Susceptibility of newbtown to fall for it as well
(X) Willingness of players to give you a chance
(X) People who hate your play
(X) Scum safeclaims given by mod
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(X) It could just as easily be WIFOM
( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
(X) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
(X) Flavor Gambits suck
(X) Why should we have to trust you and your methods?
( ) Incompatiblity with the current player base
(X) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
(X) Revealing info does nothing but assist scum
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
(X) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

[Cabd]

TD and Andrius differences I can live with (Andrius especially, since mollie)

...someone explain this
because all I hear is cabd's voice in my head

Why is my voice in your head?

[Cabd]

2 (or Buildermar, at least) lost his mind and went so far as to call me retarded for suggesting it, as it seemed like a good way for 2 to get out of being wagon'd.
Both of their reactions and interests in it read as town to me.
/shrug.
WIFOM it if you want, but each player saw it as a way to finally confirm themselves as town (to some extent, at least), and were both quite upset that it was totally illegal.

I don't see how it suggest that they were TOWN.


...

wait.
It involved posting role pms yes?
So scum would confirm by posting their role PM, thus they couldn't do it because they have scum role pms.


One word:
Fakeclaims.

The idea was that they couldn't fake-claim their flavor because other people would have three examples to use to scrutinize it.
/shrug

Now you're just being overly dumb. Any mod worth their salt made the fakeclaims along with the role cards, so the flavor would match perfectly.

[Cabd]

Oh come on not even a single laugh for my funny lolpost?

Fine. I see how it is.

[Cabd]

Oh come on not even a single laugh for my funny lolpost?

Fine. I see how it is.

I did enjoy it but I didn't want to quote it in my wallpost then got sidetracked by Andrius.
I am very sorry

I forgive you, how can I stay mad at you?

[Cabd]

Especially on your scumday.

[Cabd]

Just you wait mollie. Kidnap him and take him to Sweden, and he'll be legal in only 11 years!

[Cabd]

HAPPY SCUMDAY NACH

what would you like your bday present to be

Can I answer for him? 'cause the answer is an AJ lynch.

[Cabd]

Oh hey, AJ is at L-1. I don't want any accidental hammers, TYVM.

UNVOTE: AJ

[Cabd]

Is GIF VLA or something? I expected a ranty post of love by now.

[Cabd]

didn't cabd just hammer....

Ummm, no? I UNVOTED

[Cabd]

Yeah he did

What do you feel about it?

Pedit: damnit dude

Sorry orc.

[Cabd]

Nope. I'm in california, USA.

I just kinda happen to be 21 and be a night owl. Where are you orc?

[Cabd]

GIF townread slipping, posting elsewhere and ignoring this game...

[Cabd]

You were V/LA? It was never noted or reported. Sorry.

Say what again?

[Cabd]

The good news is you've got a few really funny posts waiting for you.