Newbie 1368 - Will there ever be a title? (GAME OVER)

[LnGrrrR]

Candi, given the logic displayed above, what could Grim post that could make him look townie?

Grim posts scummy: He's posting scummy! He's scum!
Grim posts townie: He's posting townie, which he did when he was scum! He's scum!

See the problem with that logic?

[Grimgroove]

Candillan, Crandaja, Ravenpaw are in my top 3 scumreads. I'm planning to give a full reads list (probably tomorrow) of every player here to clarify this. Need to IC some more people.

I assume you mean ISO, not IC? I will be interested to see your cases.

Yes, tomorrow or the day after.

This and the ridiculous yes vs. yep paint you as a scum.

Since shaboostein is being replaced, and this really rubbed me the wrong way:

Shaboostein is not being replaced yet, I don't think? What rubbed you the wrong way about Crand's post?

edosurist asked for a replacement in the Newbie-queu. What rubbed me the wrong way: see post 178

PS: This post gave me massive scumvibes. Hard to put my finger on why it does, but I'll try to elaborate later.

Do elaborate. I liked that post.

It felt like trying to get a piece of both sides of the argument, trying to soothe both me and Crandaja. The fact that if I would use the "yes yep" thing later in the game is entirely irrelevant (I didn't and will not), yet he's adding it. If find this addition very odd, and the motives I see: 1. He's trying to make up for his "buddying" towards me (calling me town while nobody else does, there's even disagreement on how similar I act compared to the previous game from what I gather, yet he's claiming that I do behave the same. Even I disagree with that, given the negative attention I have not been entirely able to get into the game as much as I'd like to) by awkwardly showing others I'm not outside of his scope of criticism. 2. As I personally feel this entire yep-yes thing has been dragging on long enough, I also see it as an easy way to come off as a sensible guy who sees both sides of the story. Too easy and with no added value. Why do you like it so much?

So much to do! I guess I should be glad activity is so low here. What is it with you guys? It's even worse than before, on top of RachMarie and shaboo being their usual inactive selves, Ravenpaw seems to have decided to join them and also Syryana seems less involved than last time.

What conclusions do you make about the lack of activity from myself and Raven?

Makes you less trustworthy than I would like. I for one don't see why Candillan puts you in his main townreads. In the previous game (even though I had more info) it seemed much more evident to put you on the townpile. Same goes for Ravenpaw.

Why is it a bad thing to pressure you? If you're town, pressure brings out the town in you. There's no need to be so sensitive to someone trying to pressure you.
Starting from the second sentence you're dismissing what I said with mere hollow phrases but you did not prove that my argument does not make sense. It does. I would not have used the scumtell-approach if I would know for a fact it's not true, because I'd know well enough that there'd be the theoretical possibility it would come bite me in the ass in case I did. It makes absolutely no sense to do this as scum: the risk of it flying back into my face far outweighs the supposed benefit of pressuring someone you know is town based on a false argument. If you know it's a false argument, you know the pressure is not going to ammount to anything. I didn't know it was a false argument, and therefore used it until shown otherwise.

There is a scumslip in here. Town points to whomever finds it!

I don't see it, but I'm sure there's an explanation

Don't see Candillan's scumslip either.

[Grimgroove]

Funny call on Grim, I missed it.

Did you actually find it or are you pretending you did?

[Grimgroove]

I find the "of course" part in Candillan calling Homer and Syryana town odd. There's very little that is evident about the statement, unless speaking from the perspective of scum knowing who's town.
Not calling this a slip myself, but I could imagine Syryana's talking about this?

[Candillan]

Funny call on Grim, I missed it.

Did you actually find it or are you pretending you did?

I did find something. Not sure if it's what he found, though.

[Grimgroove]

Why don't you try me? There's town points in it for you.

[Candillan]

I find the "of course" part in Candillan calling Homer and Syryana town odd. There's very little that is evident about the statement, unless speaking from the perspective of scum knowing who's town.
Not calling this a slip myself, but I could imagine Syryana's talking about this?

No, I think it's what I pointed out.
I said "Also, I was town that game."
While I said that to give LnGrrrR perspective on my point, Syryana probably saw that as "I was town that game" implying I'm not town this game.

[Syryana]

Oh, I know what you're talking about. The "I was town that game".
I was letting him know that I was town in 1335, to give him perspective. Would it have been different if I had said "I was town that game, too."?

Yes, it would have. You don't get town points for finding your own scumslip!

Funny call on Grim, I missed it.

Oh, did you find that one too?

I am town, Syryana. What are the odds of me/Grim being scum together twice in a row?
1. I personally don't find our interactions suspicious.
2. Those odds are extremely low.
3. I'm still town.

This is quite possibly the most awful rebuttal I've ever seen. Sorry, but good lord. Of course you don't find the interactions between the two of you suspicious. Appeal to probability confirms your alignment.

Why have I been having trouble producing reads this game? It's because I'm trying to look at interactions, and I'm seeing too many potential scumteams to be healthy.

Or you're scum, and you're not wanting to call any of us town because you need to mislynch people. Besides, finding teams is a complete waste of time on Day 1.

Why did you vote me on the "slip", but not Grim?

I flipped a coin.

Why do you like LnGrrrR? All I see in that post where you said you liked him is him subtly buddying you.

Because his posts come from a town mindset.

If you see self-meta as dumb, why didn't you pressure Grim on that?

It probably got lost in the walls or I wasn't paying attention.

UNVOTE:
Forgot I was still voting Shaboo. I think he's being replaced, as he hasn't posted yet. He also has posted in other games, though~

If I was to make a reads list at the moment, it would look like this:

TOWN
Syryana/Homer
Raven
LnGrrrR/Crand/Grim
SCUM

I forgot to ask, why are me and homer town again?

Shaboo and Rach haven't posted nearly enough for me to get a read on them.

I find the "of course" part in Candillan calling Homer and Syryana town odd. There's very little that is evident about the statement, unless speaking from the perspective of scum knowing who's town.
Not calling this a slip myself, but I could imagine Syryana's talking about this?

No. I'm also rather disappointed you didn't attack Cand's last post.

Funny call on Grim, I missed it.

Did you actually find it or are you pretending you did?

I did find something. Not sure if it's what he found, though.

Let the rest look for it. Neither of you are getting points for finding scumslips.

[Grimgroove]

No. I'm also rather disappointed you didn't attack Cand's last post.

Of course, Caesar. Next time I'll try not to dissappoint you in the arena.
PS: you just asked the same question to Candillan (why he thinks you and Homer are town), yet you dismissed my post where I did it with a simple "no".
This makes me a hurt gladiator

[Syryana]

PS: you just asked the same question to Candillan (why he thinks you and Homer are town), yet you dismissed my post where I did it with a simple "no".
This makes me a hurt gladiator

I dismissed it with a no because I thought you were saying that was the slip. You also didn't directly ask Cand about it.

[Grimgroove]

I did it twice indirectly on this page alone, before you seem to have thought about it. And there's no reason to think an indirect question is worth less than a directly asked one, everyone's supposed to read everything and my questions were obvious.

[Candillan]

I find the "of course" part in Candillan calling Homer and Syryana town odd. There's very little that is evident about the statement, unless speaking from the perspective of scum knowing who's town.
Not calling this a slip myself, but I could imagine Syryana's talking about this?

No, I called the two of them town earlier this game because the way they've been posting rings town to me.

Candi, given the logic displayed above, what could Grim post that could make him look townie?

Grim posts scummy: He's posting scummy! He's scum!
Grim posts townie: He's posting townie, which he did when he was scum! He's scum!

See the problem with that logic?

It's not just "him posting townie", it's "him posting the same way he was posting last game". There are different ways to act townie, LnGrrrR.

Oh, I know what you're talking about. The "I was town that game".
I was letting him know that I was town in 1335, to give him perspective. Would it have been different if I had said "I was town that game, too."?

Yes, it would have. You don't get town points for finding your own scumslip!

Okay, I understand. And I wasn't trying to get town points, I was trying to explain my wording.

Funny call on Grim, I missed it.

Oh, did you find that one too?

I thought I did, but I realized I just misread the quote. >_>

I am town, Syryana. What are the odds of me/Grim being scum together twice in a row?
1. I personally don't find our interactions suspicious.
2. Those odds are extremely low.
3. I'm still town.

This is quite possibly the most awful rebuttal I've ever seen. Sorry, but good lord. Of course you don't find the interactions between the two of you suspicious. Appeal to probability confirms your alignment.

Yeah, it was awful. I'm running on two hours of sleep in the past forty-eight hours, and I'm tired. I don't find it suspicious because I know I'm town. Probability was a dumb thing to use, but cmon, the odds are low. Do you find our interactions suspicious?

Why have I been having trouble producing reads this game? It's because I'm trying to look at interactions, and I'm seeing too many potential scumteams to be healthy.

Or you're scum, and you're not wanting to call any of us town because you need to mislynch people. Besides, finding teams is a complete waste of time on Day 1.

I'm not trying to do that. Looking at interactions is the basis of scumhunting, right? That was the basis of the case on Crand, and it's what Thor taught me in 1335.

Why did you vote me on the "slip", but not Grim?

I flipped a coin.

Better than throwing darts at our names. (Re: 1335)

Why do you like LnGrrrR? All I see in that post where you said you liked him is him subtly buddying you.

Because his posts come from a town mindset.

And mine aren't? How do you know they come from a town mindset?

If you see self-meta as dumb, why didn't you pressure Grim on that?

It probably got lost in the walls or I wasn't paying attention.

Oh. Now that you know/realize, will you push him on that?

UNVOTE:
Forgot I was still voting Shaboo. I think he's being replaced, as he hasn't posted yet. He also has posted in other games, though~

If I was to make a reads list at the moment, it would look like this:

TOWN
Syryana/Homer
Raven
LnGrrrR/Crand/Grim
SCUM

I forgot to ask, why are me and homer town again?

Your posts ring town. You did ask this earlier, and I think I responded?

Shaboo and Rach haven't posted nearly enough for me to get a read on them.

pedit:
I'll read that in a few minutes.

[LnGrrrR]

Candy, are there any posts in particular that stand out as townie from Homer/Syr?

And I don't expect Grim to change the way he posts just because his scum game might be similar to his town game. I know I would be annoyed if someone suggested I change my posting style just because I happened to be scum in a game.

[Candillan]

I'm not asking him to change his posting style.
Syryana is stating scumreads and actively scumhunting. Read any of his posts for examples.
Homer, right off the bat, voted Syryana for vote-hopping. That's quite a legitimate reason, and it made me feel good vibes.

[Edosurist]

mkfuba07 replaces shaboostein.
Crandaja has asked to be replaced.

UPDATE

: imkingdavid replaces Crandaja.

Homer, right off the bat...

Not sure if anybody else read that the same way I did...

[imkingdavid]

Hi guys, I'm in for Crandaja. Please give me a bit to catch up and post my thoughts.

[Grimgroove]

Syryana, you forgot to reply in your eagerness to dismiss my percieved scumslip from Candillan. Also, when it comes to scumslip, the one you pinted out from Candillan is dissappointingly weak. When I think of "scumslip" I think of something scum would say that would incriminate close to 100%. Like a reference to a QT for example. Not something that can be interpreted in any way, or which simply consitutes a choice of formulation. Scumslips are about meaning, not formulation.

Not happy with Crandaja replacing out like that, but warm welcome to the two newcomers! Let's get this game more active.

[imkingdavid]

Well, I'm about halfway through reading page 5 and it's 3 am, and I can't think straight right now. I keep reading the same sentence three times and not processing what I'm actually reading. So I'm going to bed. I'll be sure to post my thoughts tomorrow when I'm more awake.

[Candillan]

I'm sorry that you have to read through the meta discussion, blegh.

@Grim, I think that scumslip was quite the nice catch, actually. Unfortunately, it wasn't actually a slip.

[Candillan]

Homer, right off the bat...

Not sure if anybody else read that the same way I did...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wow, that's hilarious

[homertve]

I like the way Grim analyzes things. It gets him some town points in my view (BTW, Syryana, where's the scumslip in Grim's post? I can't find it). However, I didn't understand this part:

I find the "of course" part in Candillan calling Homer and Syryana town odd. There's very little that is evident about the statement, unless speaking from the perspective of scum knowing who's town.
Not calling this a slip myself, but I could imagine Syryana's talking about this?

I think the "of course" part is just a reference to a previous post, in which he said this:

I am seriously trying to gather reads, but I've been terrible at it this time around. I do seriously see Homer and Syryana as townie, though. I was leaning town on you, but your jumping on this case is making me doubt that somewhat. It seems a wee bit too convenient.
Also, if you really saw this as being so scummy, why aren't you voting me?

Rach, I'm still waiting for an answer to the question I asked you in 136.

imkingdavid and mkfuba07, welcome! As soon as you catch up, I want to here your thoughts on the game so far.

[Grimgroove]

At Rach, also respond to post 63 please. Seemed like an untargeted shot in the dark and a post you thought about before the game really started. In a case where the context would be right, this would make you look town, but now it doesn't really add up to anything that was going on in the topic. There was a meager string of RVS votes and that's it.

@LnGrrrR: How do you feel about me thinking you're buddying? What cases have I made so far that were as sensible as the "Title Pending" game that make me lean town for you?

[Syryana]

Syryana, you forgot to reply in your eagerness to dismiss my percieved scumslip from Candillan. Also, when it comes to scumslip, the one you pinted out from Candillan is dissappointingly weak. When I think of "scumslip" I think of something scum would say that would incriminate close to 100%. Like a reference to a QT for example. Not something that can be interpreted in any way, or which simply consitutes a choice of formulation. Scumslips are about meaning, not formulation.

Of course you think it's weak. He's your scumbuddy. And what did I forget to reply to?

I'm sorry that you have to read through the meta discussion, blegh.

@Grim, I think that scumslip was quite the nice catch, actually. Unfortunately, it wasn't actually a slip.

If you buddied me any harder...

I like the way Grim analyzes things. It gets him some town points in my view (BTW, Syryana, where's the scumslip in Grim's post? I can't find it). However, I didn't understand this part:

I find the "of course" part in Candillan calling Homer and Syryana town odd. There's very little that is evident about the statement, unless speaking from the perspective of scum knowing who's town.
Not calling this a slip myself, but I could imagine Syryana's talking about this?

I think the "of course" part is just a reference to a previous post, in which he said this:

I am seriously trying to gather reads, but I've been terrible at it this time around. I do seriously see Homer and Syryana as townie, though. I was leaning town on you, but your jumping on this case is making me doubt that somewhat. It seems a wee bit too convenient.
Also, if you really saw this as being so scummy, why aren't you voting me?

Rach, I'm still waiting for an answer to the question I asked you in 136.

imkingdavid and mkfuba07, welcome! As soon as you catch up, I want to here your thoughts on the game so far.

I will reveal Grim's scumslip later today. I was hoping to hear from the new people/Raven/Rach first. Also, Grim is very good at appearing reasonable and logical as either alignment.

[Grimgroove]

Also, Grim is very good at appearing reasonable and logical as either alignment.

Scumslip?
How would you know? You only knew me as scum in the previous game, and now you're supposedly assuming I'm scum as well.

[Grimgroove]

Also, reply to post 201. don't see how you could miss it. It's on top of the page and in bright green.