Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

hey, majiffy and mine's account has been activated!

will be using this one from now on

looking for an avatar

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

hey, majiffy and mine's account has been activated!

will be using this one from now on

looking for an avatar

everyone can easily tell the difference between us cos he actually punctuates and capitalises and I do not.

eta: he is the one who picked it out!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

so does hd's cos he is basically trying to meta me on meta he has but somehow is managing to ignore.

Bullshit.

I made one off-hand comment about what I remember of you without even putting that much stock into it; that's not a meta read.

this honestly seems reactionary and genuinely town, btw

eta: yes, he is actually nicer than I am

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Sup.

I won't actually read anything until at least Tuesday on account of busy weekends and other games and commitments.

Till then, I'm sure Mollie can handle herself.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mollie's been correctly lynched as scum before. This is getting silly.

yep, and did you happen to look at the game where both of those took place? one was audio so I cannot blame you for not wanting to listen to that but one was where I subbed in and hd was an impetus for that lynch. which is why I am really starting to think he is scum. LIKE FOR REALZ.

he has more meta on me than wisdom or fuzzy and yet he is pushing for a weak case.

wisdom is matching his town meta down to syntax which is not easy to do, hence the town read. if he is scum then omg.

I think it is hd and fuzzyqueen, those were the 2 who stood out in the beginning but I am soooooooooooooo less than thrilled with kmd prod dodging for the sake of prod dodging. he is not doing shit.

pretty sure slimer is town. I wanted majiffy to get a read on him but we haven't really talked about this game a little bit, I am waiting for him to be get around to us actually hydra-ing. I need an outside opinion on prohawk and DO.

also slimer I think I might know what you are trying to do.

@ DO - you could look at my wiki!!!! hth

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

also I am multi-tasking big time here, I apologise for the bad grammar

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

The first game that I noticed was http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=275

I read the notes and up to when people started to get suspicious of Mollie. Maybe it was just knowing she'd flip scum, but I felt she was fairly obv in Zombie Attack.

see, people have said this and I don't get it but I am willing to believe that it is possible especially since I freaking hate playing scum and I feel it has got to show on some level. I was all about setting up my partner in that game.

what is weird is DO won't even look at this but is trying to push a really weird case where I can't be read and so therefore lynched when it is right there in my wiki. it is like he is banking on my unlikability, which is a scummy thing to do IMO.

zab, will you plz vote hd with me? I really do think he is scum. or DO.

VOTE: hd

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

hey siv, I would like to hear more from you!!!!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I read her as completely the same from this game to that game. Maybe I'm a bad judge, I can't really see much of a difference. If you have any specifics on what exactly is any more scummy about her than this game, I'd be happy to hear them.

In any case, you gave me the game so I guess I'm fine with keeping Mollie around.

^freaking scum shuffling and hedging their bets.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Rejoice, I have time to read this now.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Get in the zone.
Tigerzone.








Ok reading now.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

in other news I just recently learned that N is a guy, I thought he was a girl all of this time

Told you.

On page 12. Nap. Be back in about an hour or so.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I have no work to do - it's your job as a townie to meta the others. I have done my research and can tell when someone plays to their meta - you should do yours. Even providing a game is too much, you should normally find it on your own.

This is stupid - if you're going to use meta to dismantle an attack, providing the game is not "too much", it's completely necessary. However, once that game has been provided, it is

indeed

the responsibility of the other player to check the facts.

So basically, you're both retarded.

Beauty, can I have a link to at least 1 Town and 1 Scum game?

>Find a Majiffy post
>Click the Meta Links
>Recent scum and town games are both highly likely to have Mollie + Majiffy in them. None that have a Mollie-scum, though, IIRC.

[Majiffy]'s also not impossible to read, just highly difficult to read. I consider an anti-town playstyle, like the ones Mollie and theslimer3 use, to be an impossible to read playstyle.

> Does all the things you consider anti-town that Mollie does
> Not impossible to read

Righteo.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

In general order of strong->weak

{Fuzzybutternut/Mcqueen, SivDT, ProHawk, D_O} {Puck (Weaker read)}
Scumbutts.

{Zabriel, Tigerzone/CF, Mitillos, HD, Wisdom, Slimer}
Townbutts.

KMD is null.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

N can we get an updated vote-count?

UNVOTE: HD

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Because you're blatantly sucking up to me. Why?

Damnit, I was doing so well.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

VOTE: SivDT

Feel free to sheep me if you're town. Scum needn't apply.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Of all my scum reads, he's the only one that hasn't made

any

posts to give me pause on said read.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Fuzzy is the primary scumbutt there.

McQueen's vote of Wisdom and subsequent complete lack of providing anything whatsoever that resembles reasoning is either a ballsy WIFOM as scum - which would be commendable, and hats-off to that - or just complete idiot VI. And that'll need some further posting to discern.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Why what?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Wisdom?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Too quiet to be scum? Lol, get the fuck out.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Slimer - I don't see scum motivation in his posts and the majority of his actions. Town motivation easily explains nearly everything, save for a few votes I don't particularly agree with.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

So are you trying to play to your town meta or your scum meta?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yes, but which one was the originator? That is, which one did you have to modify your other meta to make them the same?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Nah. Look at his votes; not a single one of them looks towny. They're all opportunistic, blamable on other people, and low-key.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Because you're blatantly sucking up to me. Why?

You better explain this one. How is what I said "sucking up"?
Or are you seriously trying to compare your play to Mollie's?

Technically,

you

were the one comparing my play to Mollie's. And you were sucking up by advocating a lynch on Mollie for reasons that are very much present in my own play, whilst still saying I shouldn't be lynched.

Explain why you think Wisdom is town. I think exactly the opposite.

Try reading the thread;

Slimer - I don't see scum motivation in his posts and the majority of his actions. Town motivation easily explains nearly everything, save for a few votes I don't particularly agree with.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mcqueen your answers are unsatisfactory re: Wisdom.
Also citing self-meta to call yourself town is scummy as fuck.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Didn't read 26-29.

UNVOTE: Siv

Need to talk to Mollie. Will post again afterwards.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Haven't talked to Mollie.
CF Riot is town as fuck, but his slot was already town so that doesn't help me much.

I wasn't making a comparison. I was using your play as an example of a difficult player to read.

As a comparison with Mollie's play.

I do not actually agree that your play is similar and am not comparing your play to Mollie's. I am surprised you thought I was.

The thing you're calling Mollie out for is something I frequently do regardless of alignment - insult other players.

Only you could have the gall to tell me to read the thread when at least a page or two is formed every time I log on. Not using that as an excuse, just saying.

I reckon the illiterate should not attempt for the papacy.

That said, is that really your best explanation? Come now, I think you can do better than that. That's not at all a very specific explanation. I've seen you go through an entire ISO to attempt to get me mislynched in the game I played with you, yet this is how you explain a town-read? With two sentences and no coherent conclusion?

Really? I put in a different amount of effort in explaining a town read than I do into getting a player lynched I think is scum? Those things are so similar by their very nature! Say it ain't so!

Also - interesting use of the word mislynch. Was I scum in that game? I

require

an answer to this in your next post.

But fuzzybutternut or mcqueen are good bets.

>Same slot

You really

aren't

reading the game, are you?

I'm not liking the hydra. You two are all but the same, you replace in for a side of your hydra, I don't think it should have been allowed.

I'm not actually sure what you're trying to say here. I do like that you're the first person to take a stand re: this slot after soloMollie.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my argument is actually about how I think Mollie is not adequately explaining her stances on players such as HD, simply calling them "stupid" as her primary argument. While you're as equally into insulting other players, I don't believe you hide behind your insults over your arguments. I've always felt you have very clear arguments (with the exception of this game, though). You insult players, but you do not hide behind those insults to make your points.

I don't feel you've adequately proven that she's hiding her stances behind insults beyond the argument that she is, indeed, using insults.

and I'm actually hunting scum. I reckon you should be doing the same thing, how's that sound?

Tell me whom the scum are, and why.

Yes, you were scum. I'm referring to the newbie game where you and Robo were the scum team. Ring a bell? You posted one of the most in-depth cases I've ever seen on this site in an attempt to mislynch me. I fondly remember you failed in doing so.

So your issue with me is that I'm not playing the same way I play as scum. Wouldn't that make me town?

That was a mistake and a pretty bad one at that. However, that's already been addressed. I can't but help think you're the one not actually reading the game, seeing as you missed that.

I didn't miss anything, I just left it in the post because I like to be a ... how do you put it? Oh yes;

an insufferable curmudgeon

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

As a comparison with Mollie's play.

The thing you're calling Mollie out for is something I frequently do regardless of alignment - insult other players.

I reckon the illiterate should not attempt for the papacy.

Really? I put in a different amount of effort in explaining a town read than I do into getting a player lynched I think is scum? Those things are so similar by their very nature! Say it ain't so!

Also - interesting use of the word mislynch. Was I scum in that game? I

require

an answer to this in your next post.

>Same slot

You really

aren't

reading the game, are you?

You insult other players? I had no idea.

Correct me if I'm wrong,

but my argument is actually about how I think Mollie is not adequately explaining her stances on players such as HD, simply calling them "stupid" as her primary argument.

While you're as equally into insulting other players, I don't believe you hide behind your insults over your arguments. I've always felt you have very clear arguments (with the exception of this game, though). You insult players, but you do not hide behind those insults to make your points.

Feel to agree or disagree on that, that's just my take on it.

Oh, I'm illiterate, eh? Huh, that's interesting. Last I checked, I've read through every page of this game (some more than once) and I'm actually hunting scum. I reckon you should be doing the same thing, how's that sound?

Yes, you were scum. I'm referring to the newbie game where you and Robo were the scum team. Ring a bell? You posted one of the most in-depth cases I've ever seen on this site in an attempt to mislynch me. I fondly remember you failed in doing so.

That was a mistake and a pretty bad one at that. However, that's already been addressed. I can't but help think you're the one not actually reading the game, seeing as you missed that.

Unless you're just doing everything in your power to be an insufferable curmudgeon, which is definitely not beyond you.

erm, wrt bold

I said hd's argument was dumb, not him, especially since he had a baseline for play in a game where he lynched me as scum. I dispelled this argument already, which you ignored but only to bring it back up and push it? freaking A, lol

why can we not lynch DO right now

VOTE: DO

I think cfriot looks town and so does mcqueen

and slimer

let's be friends

-mollie

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Why is mcqueen town, mollie?

cos he is town flailing like how are you missing this shit

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Her logic for HD consisted of "he's an idiot." Not very clear cut reasoning, if you ask me. Then again, you are you. That's probably all the reasoning you need.

Read the thread and you will see who I think is scum and why. You really are lazy this game, aren't you?

I don't really see why you'd be any more or less lazy depending on alignment.

Show me quotes regarding 1 and 2. I'm asking you to evince your statements, you don't respond by saying "god ur lazy y dont u go look".

And you made a meta argument in regards to a disparity you perceived. If you don't see why I'd be more or less lazy based on alignment, why bring up the meta argument to begin with?

Mollie

- I agree with Wisdom re: mcqueen, particularly since he ramped up his VI-posting after I said some of his actions gave me pause as to my scumread on his slot.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I don't see that as town flailing. It looks like an act.

okay wisdom is scum

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

erm, wrt bold

I said hd's argument was dumb, not him, especially since he had a baseline for play in a game where he lynched me as scum. I dispelled this argument already, which you ignored but only to bring it back up and push it? freaking A, lol

why can we not lynch DO right now

VOTE: DO
-mollie

That doesn't at all address my accusation, actually, or the point behind it.

Instead of actually making arguments, you dismiss arguments and call them "dumb" and use that as your only evidence for their dismissal.

Also, you want to lynch me based on that? You've got to be kidding me.

Explain how I'm "pushing" anything. Am I voting you? No, I'm not. To be fair, I can see the difference between you calling a player dumb and calling an argument dumb. But that difference isn't great enough to seriously accuse me over it.

Your logic doesn't even make sense here. Do you think I'm deliberately misrepresenting you or something?

wrt the bold

1. erm, no. you just didn't address it. what hd was saying what was scummy about my posting was not beyond his sphere of reference to my actual scumplay. I called that dumb cos he actually has a point of reference.

wrt evething else

2. yes, I want to lynch you.

3. you don't have to place a vote in order to push for a "scumread" later in the game. scum can breadcrumb for later reads and follow the argument for consistency. it is how scum can mask as town. from my perspective, this is what you are doing.

4. my logic makes great sense when you can determine an alignment from their POV. sorry that you have epically failed in this.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I might be more inclined to respond in the normal fashion, were I not being condescendingly reminded to read the thread, when that's what I've been fucking doing this whole game.

I'd be more inclined to not be condescending if you weren't an idiot.

Regarding Mollie, it's been proven she's readable. I don't really have anything to prove, I'm just explaining how I wasn't sucking up. Perhaps this has put you under the impression that I have a quarrel with Mollie, I do not. Even if her recent vote is terrible, she's not a scum read for me.

You're retroactively trying to cover up with this. At the time of the sucking-up-in-question, you were still harping on the PL-Mollie-for-insults case.

The meta argument was really in reply to your snide remark of how you presumed I didn't read the thread. My argument for why I found you scummy was that I felt your reasoning regarding Wisdom didn't seem very genuine. I don't really wish to pursue the point further for now, but that doesn't mean I'm writing you off as town just yet, either.

Didn't seem genuine? I don't recall you saying anything about genuinity before... pretty sure it was "lol that's all? last time when u wer da scumz it was lyke pages to mislynch me!"

By the by, you haven't actually addressed the following disparities in these two situations;
1) You're calling me scum for not doing something I did as scum
2) Your argument about what I should be doing references an attempt to lynch; my situation with Wisdom is merely stating reasons for a

town read

. Thus, they're two wholly different situations entirely.

I don't think you want to pursue the point

because you don't have one

, and you're slowly starting to realize that.

Someone other than D_O tell me why I should have a townread on HD.

He believes

too

strongly in his really poor logic.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

With regards to.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I invite the townies to hop on the D_O wagon.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I don't know what "wrt" means, if you're looking for a response based on that, you will need to elaborate.

1. If this is a meta issue, I don't normally play by meta. (Though this game has forced me to make some meta arguments.) I don't really understand your point here. I think you're saying you're using your own meta to rebuke HD's point. Do I understand that correctly?

okay well weird. cos I thought you were asking other players if they had meta on me as being readable. and on slimer too.

2. Then you are either a completely irrational person or scum. What you're saying doesn't add up, there's no logic behind lynching me based on your reasoning.

^^^hd partner spotted

3. Prove it.

4. Maybe I have epically failed. But that doesn't make scum.

I love you people.

that was a serious post btw.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

If this is going to come down to personal attacks, I don't want to play this game anymore. It's not fun for me. I've had enough of Majiffy's attitude, I don't deserve to be lectured or have my intelligence insulted.

@ Mod: please replace me. I'm sorry to bail on you like so many others, but I just do not feel comfortable playing this game anymore.

I accept your scum claim.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Majiffy's dumb insults

Hey, man, that's not nice. My insults are witty and sharp-tongued.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Won't happen, Wisdom. I'll demean everyone voting me until they shuffle off to someone else. How do you think I win as scum all the time?

Zab - I wasn't being that bad. He's replacing out because he's been backed into a corner that he can't argue out of.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Aww, I had such a good post about butthurt lined up, too.

Ok if you ever make another post without fucking line breaks I will find you and murder you.

So these show up in ISO.

Really hate switching accounts. So annoying to remember.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

As far as the "sucking up" goes, that's not at all what I was doing. Why would I, anyway? Explain what I would have to gain by doing so.

Keeping me at bay. Why are you asking for scum motivation for buddying? Jesus you're getting desperate.

The difference between you and Mollie is that Mollie insults the logic of a player to make her point. You do so just to be a jerk. Mollie's posts generally seem void of content to me.

There's many times I insult the logic of a player to make a point. In fact, a lot of the time that

is

the point.

My main problem with her was that I felt she could use her mannerisms to disguise her alignment. I made a reasonable request and it has been honored. The only person who is "harping" on anything is you, Majiffy, for continuing to question a position that is no longer relevant anymore.

Because you keep trying to handwave it away, and that's scummy as fuck. "Yes, I did these scummy things, but I'm not doing them anymore, so let's not talk about them!". No.

I wasn't going to pursue the point with you, but then I replaced back in and realized that you've been really working on trying to find a way to incriminate me. You did the same thing in the last game I played with you, and I believe this is because you find me to be an easy target. Your statement that you believe me to be an idiot confirms you would think I'm an easy target as scum.

If I put a lot of effort into trying to get you mislynched before and failed, what makes you think I would think of you as an easy target?

I also want to address the last point, because there's no logic behind it. I believe too strongly in my poor logic? That doesn't even make sense. If I'm such an idiot, than I wouldn't be using poor logic to fool anyone. I'd be using poor logic merely because I don't know any better. That's not indicative of my alignment at all.

That wasn't about you, that was about HD.

I don't like Majiffy as a person, but as a player he makes nothing but sense. This stance does not make sense coming from him, he's too reasonable to actually believe I could be scum just based on poor logic.
...
But it doesn't matter what I think. This is what Majiffy thinks, and what Majiffy is thinking simply does not add up.

UNVOTE: mcqueen
VOTE: BeautyAndTheBest

Simply doesn't add up because you're an idiot, yeah.

You also missed the meat-and-potatoes of the post you quoted to go off on your idiotic little wall rant.

By the by, you haven't actually addressed the following disparities in these two situations;
1) You're calling me scum for not doing something I did as scum
2) Your argument about what I should be doing references an attempt to lynch; my situation with Wisdom is merely stating reasons for a

town read

. Thus, they're two wholly different situations entirely.

Don't worry, I'll wait.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Wisdom, why aren't you voting DO?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm not.

*

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Rev - It was all that was necessary. Wisdom isn't in any trouble, why should I put in a lot of effort to explain a town read that isn't even seriously being questioned?

HD - Suck my balls, you jackass.

GOOD GOD STOP MAKING ME P-EDIT

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah sure that's the one, whatever.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

It's an invitation for you to refute my claims with evidence that he's not town.

I wasn't presented with anything more than "lol das all? 2 bad hez da scumz!"

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

In order to refute that, one should provide a post that is not explained with any semblance of town motivation. Which, if you have a scum read on a player, should be easy to provide.

This game has a minority of scum players. You need to make a

case

for why a player is scum, and the towns are POE'd. If you want to go the opposite way and POE the scum team, then yes, a town case for each player is necessary. I am not, however, taking the latter course of action. So my reasoning doesn't need any elaboration.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

It seems your reasons are as follows;
1) He "doesn't seem to say what he means", no evidence provided.
2) He defends a lot of people.
3) He didn't agree with you on a Mollie PL, which you later agreed with him on.

The above does not a strong scum case make.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ DO

okay so you think my posts are...contentless? seriously? then you will no problem providing 3 posts that are....contentless.

also your request wasn't exactly reasonable, you were asking other players to do your work for you when all you had to do was move your cursor of the wiki box under my avatar and click it and you would have seen that I was lynched as scum in both games, so obviously I can be read by some people. I am fucking sick of you putting me down so that you can make yourself better, I think your playstyle sucks cos it is quite obvious you have no fucking clue as to what you are doing and if you replaced out it would make my day cos maybe someone who is not a total fucking idiot can take over that slot and maybe we can finally get a read on it instead the fucking dramarama crap that so far has been the only thing to come out of it.

as for you being an easy lynch, that is bullshit I seriously want you lynched like the idea of it makes me

wet

, that's how bad I want it. do you know who is an easy lynch? zab. it seems like he gets lynched in every game I play with him. ask him he will probably say yes.

and yes, you can now I say I am being directly insulting, the whole reason I asked to hydra with majiffy was cos I didn't want to lose my temper and shit up N's game and ruin it for the other players. you insulted me by suggesting that I shitty enough player to deserve to be policy lynched on d1. you can call me a cunt, a whore, a bitch, an idiot whatever but insult my gameplay I have played probably over 100 games by now on 8 different sites. I am not the best player but I am not a shit player and that is essentially what you are calling me so yeah, I am pretty insulted.

sorry guys I really was trying to prevent my imminent meltdown but I am sick of him putting me down.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

also thank you kmd for sticking up for me and saying I wasn't stupid.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

also prohawk I think majiffy and I are doing fine with our hydra, I am amzed we are doing as well as we are usually we disagree on nearly everything and fight over who gets to be in charge. but we do have 2 distinct personalities and neither of us can really be anything other than what we are.

the mcqueen lynch is a bad one and I really hope that the people on that wagon will get off of it cos what he showed was town flail not scum flail. wisdom plz trust me in this.

also siv gets super duper lurky as scum so I would be fine with his lynch.

kmd I was getting ready to go after you but I liked your post and agree with some of your reads. it is good to see you finally get your head in the game.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

D_O seems like Town now.
Wisdom is still shithead Scum.
Mollie seems Town, Majiffy an asshole.
Human Destroyer is annoying as fuck, don't really care what he is.
CF seems Town.
All the other players make no impression on me.

I don't think wisdom is scum, too many of his posts come from a town POV.

town win condition>>>town motivation>>>town POV posts

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I like how everyone uses "Hint:..." when they want to be condescending now.

siv gets super duper lurky as scum so I would be fine with his lynch.

kmd I was getting ready to go after you but I liked your post and agree with some of your reads. it is good to see you finally get your head in the game.

Siv asked to be replaced and Kmd admitted his head really isn't in the game, so I'm of the complete opposite opinion here. Also, if I end up calling you scum at some point this game, this is the post where it started.

Mitillos, I agree with HD's points. There was something else you did too. I don't remember.

in my overall pissiness I forgot that siv had asked to be replaced out.

you are going to have to walk me through this

kmd said his head wasn't in the game but then he made this wall:

Ok I'm gonna read 10 pages or so. By thursdayish I should be caught up completely unless you guys post a ton.

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Tigerzone didn't answer my question from page 1. I asked why he'd policy lynch zab over some of the other players on the list. Next, my issue is that the zab-hate is his only focus in his first few posts. This is one of two things. A genuine vendetta that is bigger than this game to him which would be null OR scum who has trouble grasping games where they already know everyones alignment and needs something to hold on to. Unfortunately, tigerzone isn't here for me to ask about his experience with zab. Zab, can you tell me about your experience with tigerzone? Is there anything that may have caused him to strongly dislike you?

Post 34 by siv looks like someone trying not to look scummy. Not sure why. Just a vibe I get.

44 by tigerzone kind of looks like the second scenario I mentioned. He doesn't seem to have a reason to policy lynch. "Thought it'd be fun". Come on now...

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Post 51 by Siv gives me that same vibe. He's saying things that sound all protown, but without really applying it or committing to any reads or anything. It's like he's saying things just because he thinks they sound good.

Human, I see where you are coming from on tigerzone up until the part where you say he is trying to policy lynch zab before he does anything to deprive the town of information. Two things. One, does tigerzone seem smart enough to do that? Two, is it really THAT beneficial for scum to deprive town of info on one player they see as a lurker to the point where they are going to make it their only focus like that? The scum intent might be there on tigerzone (although the more I read, the less I think this) but not for this. You are stretching.

Mollie posted without responding to my vote. Did you think it was a joke?

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Post 91. Wisdom. How exactly do you "know" there is no scum motivation in tigerzone's post? You know he's town?

<- fuzzy already asked

Page 5:
Slimer is town.

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Mit, coming up with and idea and agreeing with it are NOT the same at all. Slimer probably looked at the game quick, saw what he saw, and came up with his idea. Human looked at the idea and decided whether or nopport or to support it. He didn't come up with it and unlike slimer, he has to either ignore it and look bad or post in support of it or against it. If slimer is scum who sees the idea and doesn't like it, he doesn't have to take a stance. He can just hope it never comes up.

Based on 136, it's not possible to have a read on tigerzone. He isn't playing the game. Just trying to ruin it. *sigh* that's annoying.

Prohawk, so mollie is scum for having a scum read on human? Also why would being scum make you forget who you are voting?

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Uh. Prohawk/wisdom, mollie isn't a VI and could never get away with acting like one. She makes some mistakes here and there and might forget some things, but she's not dumb.

The last time I played with prohawk, he looked obvtown (although some people disagreed). He doesn't look that way here.

Yeah what zab said. Mollie liking jelly's push on her is weird. It's like she wants to look town because scum wouldn't do that.

I don't like siv's jump on tigerzone. Prohawk looks genuinely upset with tiger (null) but siv is just really looking opportunistic with that vote.

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The puck's vote on tiger looks opportunistic as well. And saying that jelly replaced out because he's tiger's buddy is just as bad.

And disturbed places another bad vote on tiger. I'm now convinced that tiger is town and two scum can be found in siv/puck/disturbed.

Human, why is disturbed town?

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Wisdom, I took mollie calling prohawk scum to be a scum read. Not sure what you are seeing there that I'm not.

Ok 9 pages is all I can do today. My biggest fead is that I have too many scum reads. Most aren't very strong reads though.

unvote, vote siveure

and to me it looks like he is at least trying to get his head in the game. how am I wrong, here.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

CF, Mollie thinks you're scum. Help me convince her otherwise by placing your vote on DO.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

CF, Mollie thinks you're scum. Help me convince her otherwise by placing your vote on DO.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

TOP OF THE PAGE, HA.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I saw it the first time. I might vote DOne (new abbreviation, underscore does suck) but I don't really feel any urgency to do it now because I did get townvibes from him at one point, I have other suspects I'd like pursued more, and I don't really feel like I need to buy Mollie's trust. She said she caught townvibes from me earlier in the game so hopefully she'll come back around on her own eventually.

It's ok she agrees you're town now. But I'd still like to lobby for your vote!

In fact while I'm thinking about it, wait for Mitillos to tell me more about Prohawk, then give me your read on them both.

Is this to me?

I'm a neutral survivor. Just let me live pls

Cute.

Rach

- Did you replace into a scum role? It's ok, you can tell Papi Craig.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I dunno, your butt is resembling that-which-resembles-scum.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Well your "initial reads" don't resemble anything like reads and look more like passing commentary, and then you freak out and vote Slimer in response to what was obviously a joke post.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Alas, I have found a meaningful contribution to the hydra.

Check out the awesome sig.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Actually, she

would

have access to it, she just wouldn't have had a chance to

say

anything.

Also, that's a really stupid reason to townread someone. But since you aren't voting McTard, I invite you to place your vote on DO or Rach.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I ain't no mctard and I think u sir shud check rule 5 or whatever you are offending me sir thx sir

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

*AHEM*

Anyway.

B and B did I say they were reads? no I said they were thoughts...

Could we get back to scum hunting guys n gals? Seriously....

Irony.

B and B your hydra partner is Mollie not Thor.

... Ok?

Is this to me?

Yes.

Well then... remind me whenever the necessary preconditions occur.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Why are you guys always like "hey let's post heaps while N isn't here, but then stop right before the end of the page and then post heaps again"?

We're actually all collaborating in a QT

just

to fuck with you.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Try again.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

OH SHI- NEW PAGE

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Poor N.

p-edit: Nope. Try something that rhymes with Joe. Or Lash Yippie.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

No, he called him a bundle of sticks. Gosh.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I don't think she ever stopped.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

{Fuzzybutternut/Mcqueen, SivDT, ProHawk, D_O} {Puck (Weaker read)}
Scumbutts.

{

Zabriel,

Tigerzone/CF,

Mitillos,

HD, Wisdom,

Slimer}
Townbutts.

KMD is null.

Putting Milt in the Town pile...

Zabriel seems his towny self

For now I am placing [Wisdom] in the town pile

HD

Going in the town pile...

Hey, I bet I know where this story ends.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Welcome to the game, Rach.

N

- You should threaten not to post vote-counts unless you get the first post on the page.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

These reads??? Do you have any solid reads???? Seriously dude I could see this in a game where you are on like page 8 or something? But there are almost 40 pages here?

UGGH

Scum....

VOTE: Disturbed One

>Post is from page 8.

So Rach/DO scum team?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Shhh, just let her bus really sloppily.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

ROFL I am not scum. So not bussing.

Yeah, well, that's like, what scum would say, man.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah this works for me.

VOTE: Rach

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Actually it's like 4 AM here.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

CF, Mollie thinks you're scum. Help me convince her otherwise by placing your vote on DO.

That's a really shittastic threat

It wasn't a threat?

Also there's only one scum team so can we hurry up and lynch Rach for her flailing? Thanks.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Lol lets not kid ourselves, I'm totally an asshole.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Uhhh

Later tonight I'll try to find some for you. I don't exactly have time atm.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

It does kinda look like one

"Vote D_O or Mollie's gonna scumread you!"

Except I said she's already got a scum read on him.
Kind of hard to demand ransom when you've already told everyone you shot the hostages.

So I saw Mollie had some points about Kmd, what about you Majiffy? Thoughts on his lurkiness?

I didn't like him at first because he was my only null read, which is usually a warning sign. But then when he pulled his head out of his ass and made that post of reads I found that he picked up on a lot of the things that I had, and his reads were generally congruent to mine. Thus, he's probably a townie.

CF - Get to your post ASAP. Currently packing and cleaning house, moving this weekend. Consider this a mental note for myself.

Wisdom - Who do you think the scum hopping on the Rach wagon is, myself or CF Riot? Because other than that, KMD is the only one on the wagon, and he was on it first, and for a long while - since it was Siv, IIRC.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I guess I must have IDK.

All I know is Rachlynch is goodlynch and if her buddies want to bus her then the more the merrier.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I guess I must have IDK.

All I know is Rachlynch is goodlynch and if her buddies want to bus here then the more the merrier.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Please delete 1037, mod

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I think I see what you guys mean by too much posting

5 pages overnight wtf

You guys are lucky I'm sick in bed and have time to read all this shit

do you know what is awesomely ironic about this post?

hd then posts 12 more times

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Ehh you have always been nice to me Majiffy, even when you wanted to lynch my butt...

Still working on the last ISO here. Hey Majiffy do you know of any games where Mollie has been scum? Would help me out here a lot.

I guess you missed my very helpful instructions where I said if you move the cursor over the wiki button under my avatar I listed the games where I have been scum on this site.

why is this so hard to do I don't get it

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Okay then maybe it's more of a bribe?

"Vote D_O and Mollie will townread you!"

?

CF - Pretty good points. Not anything I'd call damning on their own, but certainly enough to merit a good re-read of both PH and Mit.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

From pathetically weak reasoned town reads to agreeable scum reads, thanks for proving that my scum read on your slot is correct, Jalyn. Much appreciated.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

And I find myself scrolling through the Jalyn/Wisdom argument, giving not a single fuck.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Let's talk rationally for a moment;
Rach is scummy as fuck. A good portion of us agree with this; including individuals such as

Zabriel

whom would vote if not for the doc claim. So pay attention to this closely:

If Rach is town, scum has two options; kill Rach to avoid a doc save, or leave her alive for WIFOM - because she'll probably be tomorrow's lynch.
If Rach is scum, scum has one option; kill... anyone. Rach will die tomorrow. Maybe.

So if we lynch Rach tonight, we only lose someone we

might have maybe probably would have

lost tonight anyway because Rach cannot possibly protect everyone. Plus we don't have the WIFOM-eventual-lynch of Rach tomorrow. Which scum could use to - guess what? - get two free kills out of (N1 and N2).

We lynch Rach today. If she's scum; we win. If she's not; well, frankly, we probably don't lose a whole lot.

On top of that, Rach's claim was scummy as fuck. So... Fuck you, Zabiano Domingo Rodriguez, Rach Buddy No. 1.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Rach's entire defense comes down to three points;
1) Siv's gameplay is null!
2) I don't fakeclaim PRs!
3) Why would I fakeclaim a Night ONE doctor?!

to which I respond
1) Great. Null does not a town make.
2) N/A
3) Because then you can't be directed or otherwise tripped up later in the game. For all intents and purposes, you're claiming a D2+ VT. It makes the

most

sense as a scum claim.

Also the blatant switch from a town read to a scum read for - what reason? - on our slot is utter OMGUS garbage.

tl;dr - If you're not voting Rach, you really ought to be.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh and if we have any N1 cops they should be on any number of the following participants;
{Disturbed, Mcqueen, Jalyn}

Good day.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

The only scum motivation I can see with it is to prove she's town because scum wouldn't do that, otherwise it's a townie action. Don't forget she unvoted D_O in order to do that, her main counterwagon.

Really? You're going to WIFOM the thread up now too? All Rach has for a defense so far is WIFOM; why wouldn't she just layer it on even more? This point doesn't help her, or support your cause of lynching DO over Rach - if anything, it strengthens why we should lynch her.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Well in the words of the Good Doctor Thompson, "When you get locked into a serious [WIFOM defense], the tendency is to push it as far as you can..."

What is the "it" in your question referring to? Pronouns bad!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Because that's what it is. Try to keep up.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Your question amounts to asking why they call a Dodge Dart an automobile.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Speaking of, I really want to drive one of those puppies...

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Sorry, I'm off drooling at the 2013 Dart wiki page.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Wisdom are you playing the same game I am? Because I'm starting to have my doubts.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Why?

Also, sure thing - I don't even know what our role is. Haven't bothered to look.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yup, the same one.

I'm beginning to question the vitality of your brain cells. Are you breathing enough oxygen lately? I know sometimes you can forget to do that, and it can have some nasty side-effects like not understanding what WIFOM is or being unable to see it when it's brazenly being used as the only defensive mechanism by obvscum.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Why are you so certain she'll flip town?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Who are these people?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

*

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

My other scum reads.

You're not the only person in the game, you know.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

No
One

Gives head like Gaston
Rocks a bed like Gaston
...

Why are we ignoring that shitty-slot-Disturbed-One was replaced and come in and quickhammered on town?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

wah wah wah oh you mean the same person you thought was scum, too?

Shut the fuck up.

VOTE: Chkflip

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Aaaand, cue the Mollie unvote-revote....

that was majiffy. since there are some complaints about how majiffy and I hydra I am letting him do most of the talking but will interject sometimes. we still discuss the game a good bit.

ftr I was against the rach lynch. first words I said to majiffy when I saw her flip were "I told you so!". I wanted DO/chicflip.

which is why we are voting him today!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

^That, but I'll play along. I didn't read the game and, tbh, still haven't because (mollie/majiffy) + Wisdom = terrible whiny back-and-forth fluff pissing contest.

What 1232 states is that a quickhammer would have to happen, oh I dunno, QUICKLY. If the argument is that I subbed in and immediately hammered is considered "quick," then sure. You've got me there. But at P48? What the fuck did you expect to gain that you hadn't already? Oh, nothing. Okay. Cool story, bro.

More kmd votes.

lol, you are so cute chicy I want to put you in my purse and carry you around wherever I go.

pretty sure kmd is town guys, that is a bad lynch. when kmd is town he sends out a clear signal and that is what he is trying to do while constantly being behind in the game. he works long hours on weekends if I remember correctly (like really long) and he reads as genuine. how are you guys missing this. oh wait...

@ prohawk

he hasn't gotten to your questions yet and has stated this. what part of that do you not understand.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

wah wah wah oh you mean the same person you thought was scum, too?

Shut the fuck up.

Town does not

respond to a vote being placed on them after they made a shitty hammer in this fashion.

Nice OMGUS, kmd.

zabriel should know better though.

Town does not

respond to a building wagon on them in this fashion.

ftr I'm not going to defend, slam, or even look into what was scummy about D_O. I don't give a fuck. I'm looking for scum

today

, so we can either get something done today or we can martyr me for a simple mistake plus "scummy things the slot did before," you pick. IDGAF what you do so long as I'm allotted some time to find some scum along the way.

Town does not

disregard attacks made on their slot in this way.

Town does not

widdle a case - including a point they actually responded to earlier - down to predecessor's actions when it is clearly not only that.

How the fuck is it a quickhammer when there are FORTY-EIGHT PAGES OF SHIT before it?

Oh, it isn't. Good call.

Town d-

What the fuck is even the logic in this.

If the argument is that I subbed in and immediately hammered is considered "quick," then sure. You've got me there.

OH LOOK. HE EVEN KNOWS WHY IT'S A QUICKHAMMER. AND YET HE TRIES TO DISCREDIT THE CLAIM.

But at P48? What the fuck did you expect to gain that you hadn't already? Oh, nothing. Okay. Cool story, bro.

WITH UTTER, SWISS-CHEESE HOLEY BULLSHIT.

Lynch this fucking shit

now.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

UNVOTE: chkflip

Yeah, guess your AtE didn't work, huh?

Fuck that. BATB, did I look pro-town in the game that hasn't finished that I died in N1? No? Then take your head out of your fucking ass.

1) I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
2) Even if I did, the game you're talking about is

ongoing

. Which is

against th rulees.

3) You're going to use ONE GAME to justify a meta townread for why we shouldn't lynch you for repeated scumbutt behavior?
4) Why haven't you addressed any point I've made about you?

I lynch VI's for fucking SPORT.

Ironically, if you're town,

you're

the VI.

Marie wasn't going to give us anything. At all. Ever.

You know that. I know that. We can agree on that.

Oh, is that why you lynched her? So you

read

the game? So you

knew

she was at L-1? So you've been

lying

this whole time?

No I'm not going to fucking claim. THIS IS HOW I PLAY.

Time to find a new game, methinks.

Alright, look. I've had a pretty horrific week. I don't like getting run up for mistakes, so I reacted. Give me 48 hours and I'll guarantee to find you some scum. You don't have to remove the votes; matter of fact, I implore you not to. 48 hours. Scum. I'll find them because that's what I'm good at. BATB, your kmd read is almost certainly wrong but we'll get there later.

Oh look! More useless AtE!

Try responding to my points, scumbutt.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

*Against the rules

E must have shifted in highlighting.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Let me give you a tip: being an abrasive douche only works when you have a leg to stand on.

But by all means, continue trying to cuss away all the valid points I'm making on you. Because "fuck you, shove them up your ass" is a flawless rebuttal.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

UNVOTE: chkflip

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

^ mollie

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

VOTE: chkflip

Don't make me smack you, Mollie.

Chkflip, until you provide reasons

why

my points are null tells, they're still valid. Calling them null doesn't make them such.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

town flail

and don't you threaten me I will grind you down with my high heels, majiffy

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

so chicy, what do you think of jal?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah, anti-town. Opinion. Was I supposed to apologize? Would that make you feel better? Sorry not sorry.

You're not sorry that you came in and quickhammered a townie either a) without reading or b) reasonlessly or trollishly?

I didn't know he has his vote on this slot prior. Again, didn't read. I didn't even look at the vote count aside from seeing Rach's name and going "lolk" and voting. It, otherwise, looked like an OMGUS because this is the easy wagon and he didn't supply any sort of reason. Nully nullerson, how are you?

Protip: none of this actually had anything to do with what you quoted.

Is this where you'd rather town says "wow, they sucked and were scummy and deserved the three votes."? Isn't that one of those retarded new tells? Nice attempt at a setup. Null. Tell. Moving. On.

Again, nice deflection that doesn't actually have anything to do with the accusations posed.

There are 48 pages. Where's the logic in calling my vote a quickhammer when it clearly isn't? K. Null.

Quickhammers don't have anything to do with how many pages are present. You've even acknowledged so yourself. K. Scum.

lol k

Are you a distant relative of Richard Nixon? "What, an accusation I can't answer? Well ok! Anyway, now that we've settled that... Moving on!"

This isn't even a point.

Neither was what you said.

We cool?

Put your vote back on yourself and we will be.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

did chicflip really replace out omg wtf it is like that slot is cursed.

N, what have you done

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I would consider your lynch of chk a policy lynch Mit as he was replacing out. He had no way to defend himself.

Show me one instance of chkflip defending himself in this game.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Levios-

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH