I did say that; the mentality to massclaim is still seen hence I just put it in.
In post 599, Nachomamma8 wrote:
then both power roles were shot over night and scum-Thor ran train on you
You don't know the whole story.
The fact is; it happened and was my idea.
In post 599, Nachomamma8 wrote:
and the only reason it did something amazing was tinker tailor soldier spy
so that's obviously a special case
What?
We didn't know it was tinker tailor soldier spy at the time.
I have a lot more. I like how you tried to discredit them all though when the point is; I have shown 4 examples where I like to massclaim. There is no disputing this.
you're not giving me what i wanted
i'm trying to figure out where you found massclaim to be such a powerful force in this, and all of those things don't help me do that at all
but i did a bit of meta despite being tired as fuck
and i guess you are town
Vote: Psyche
you still have to sell me for massclaim though. massclaiming is essentially scumhunting the moderator, and I have no idea what Jason will be like as a moderator. and it's not something we need to fuck with now. confirmed town tomorrow is better than confirmed town today, and we won't have the good confirmed town tomorrow if we massclaim today.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
it's also bad to massclaim today specifically because of evens
if scum roleblock and kill vig, they can fuck things up a bit and take away one of our kills
and i hate people that take my kills
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
Scum have an rb means town has a lot of power so I really don't care if they block vig kill me; we will have at least a tracker to go with doc/full vig.
and you're doing that thing again
where you make assumptions that are not necessarily true
In post 609, Slandaar wrote:Anyways I did intend to claim bptown and not claim doc if I could help it if we did things properly instead of this nonsense.
Now all thats happening is I will die one way or the other and guess what? town just lost the PR I said they would without a massclaim
Amazing.
ok but that doesn't mean that massclaiming is cool for today
i will push it through tomorrow hell yeah
but that doesn't mean it is good for today
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
Sland: lets massclaim I will die its ok we will have tons of info for today to lynch/vig scum.
Everyone: lol no you can't die instead lets lynch or let you claim only and scum nk you
Sland: lets massclaim I will die its ok we will have tons of info for today to lynch/vig scum.
Everyone: lol no you can't die instead lets lynch or let you claim only and scum nk you
Genius.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
somebody call the waaaaaambulance
In post 612, Slandaar wrote:RB is a stupidly powerful scum PR which needs to be balanced with town power hence town has a lot of power when scum has an RB.
Think about this
Just Think
Massclaim today is the same as tomorrow. Except by doing it today we have more information earlier.
a roleblocker on its own isn't that strong on its own because it has to identify power roles and THEN block them
it's not so strong where its presence means SUPER TOWN POWER
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In fact let me try explaining this because literally noone can seem to grasp it;
We do not know the scum PR (unless you are scum)
We do not know all the town PR.
This means the variations are limitless; now, the reason massclaim is good is because its a % play on the fact that we (were) most likely (~50-75% not including lynch) losing a PR without a massclaim.
Now when its a vig, the vig is more informed, they won't shoot a PR (yes argue away) and they will have a better chance to shoot scum.
The lynch will be more likely to hit scum.
So, by saying; OK we concede this % of losing a PR to guarantee their demise we increase Vig accuracy and Lynch accuracy.
If the scum have an RB then yes thats like worst case scenario, but then think of best case; town has a JK/RB and in effect has 3 ways to find scum in one cycle. Or town has a cop without a scum RB, like that was game over nearly as I claim bp town, scum shoot cop, cop doesn't die... scum shoot me... yeah.
Massclaim won't be 100% protown in all variations but in most it will be because without a RB what it is doing is giving INFORMATION and increasing vig/lynch accuracy the only ones its not are where scum have a rb. Like that literally is it. Think of the rolecop, massclaim counters that role pretty well turning things in towns favour etc.
It was hypothetical to show why the what if scum have an rb question is terrible both possibilities exist to say we shouldn't massclaim due to one single possibility is bad.
Depends on what is claimed as to who is lynched; if I answer VT, scum all just claim PR, right?
