Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[UberNinja]

Okay I more or less decided I'm not gonna read the thread up until this point which is probably really gonna hamper my scumhunting but I might as well try to get in the game because up until now all I've really been doing is prod dodging.

So can somebody please explain to me what's going on so I can begin to play? without being a fucking useless retard? thx

[Mehdi2277]

SC has been suspected for vote patterns. Spice has been suspected for vote reason on Jal. Spice is fosing me right now. Lurker was suspected in the past, but his wagon deflated based on the way he claimed. Mhork was suspected in the past but the suspicion just kind of died off (for me because I think how he reacted to votes with continued pressure was good). Each player likely has 2 cards with 2 players having 3. Lurker has claimed he's a 1 shot watcher.

I think that summarizes game state.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Brawl is just being a jack ass. He knows the case.

I legitimately don't/didn't, and I really don't appreciate you speaking for me.

@Jake: I read through the thread super late at night, so I didn't really grasp it then. I haven't gone back because I figured I'd just ask for a quick summary when it came up again, rather than have to re-read several pages.

[Baby Spice]

Scum medhi means conf town Jal, since no scum would stir up an argument like that involving a buddy.

I find these kinds of statements are incredibly dangerous. (and made often by Scum, to boot)

...it also confirms Jal as town. .

Really?

Your [Medhi's] actions, and timing, means that SC must be scum too.

...

...


I'll tell you why any statement like these is bad:

1) It's arrogant as all hell. You, right now, are cocksure you've gotten 2/3 Scum (and an innocent!) pegged on D1, while the entire rest of the game isn't even sure about one. Do you truly think you are

that

much better at this game than all of us? The reason none of us are that sure is because...

NO true. I'm damn certain I've gotten one scum, which then leads to one conf town and one huge chance of being scum. Evidence? I voted Medhi not SC. If I was "Cocksure" that SC was scum then I would have voted him, having a wagon and momentum and such.

2) ...the game is just not that simple. Even if Medhi IS Scum and doing exactly what you say he is, which is a stretch in the first place, he could have many other reasons to do it besides saving ScumSC. He could be simply trying to take an easy lynch on you today, thinking an SC lynch wouldn't be hard to pull off tomorrow, he could be buddying TownSC, he could be framing TownSC so that when he dies he implicates SC, etc.

Hmm, why are you pushing this line? We get a scum flip on Medhi and then these points become relevent. Not before.

3) There are no such things as absolutes. Short of mod confirmations, un-CCed/dead Seers in Open games, and other such things, you can never be absolutely sure. Jal definitely could be Medhi's scumbuddy. (although I doubt it) I've seen and done crazy busses, the reason they work is because people say "Oh, that's impossible. X must be Town.", while I laugh my ass off in wolfchat.

True. But Medhi's actions aren't a bus are they? It is a deliberate attempt to stir up a town/town fight. Actually lets phrase that properly. It is a deliberate attempt to rekindle a town/town fight.

4) Planning lynches past today does nothing but help Scum. Again, assume absolute best case scenario; Medhi's scum, you convince everyone, and we lynch him. The scum gets not only all of the Night phase, but also all of today (

do Scum have daytalk?

) to prepare for tomorrow. If SC's actually Scum, they know without a doubt you're going to go for him hard, and right out of the gate. If he's Town, they know they can sit back and lol while you attempt to lynch a townie.

Exactly where have I planned a D2 lynch?

Now since it's part of why you're being fosed, I noticed it was never asked, and the question was loaded since I can't see a good answer.

And

diverting and showing scummy are pretty much the same thing

just worded differently with different connotations. Even if they were separate the motive is the same. I want you lynched.

Just wanted to make sure no one missed that.

He's right, though. They're the exact same thing with different intent. Show me where the intent is to get votes off SC.

Really? The same thing? How exactly are they they the same thing?

How, exactly, is diverting a person from one suspect to a second suspect, in any way showing that the second suspect is scummy?

Why are you voting Sc instead of her? If it's viability she's not unviable with the post you made before that to me at least.

Since wouldn't getting a bigger suspicion lynched be better?

From the way you sound when you attack her I thought you suspected her more then SC? If not then how much do you suspect the two?

UNVOTE: SCVOTE: Spice post 484

Post 484 was by Jal

Well main point is I think you're argument for her is stronger then for sc and you've argued it for a while longer.

She also brought up good points against spice so why SC over her?

That's five Medhi posts in a row all along the theme of "Jal you should be voting Baby Spice not SC". Not a single reason as for why that didn't involve assuming what Jal was thinking, despite corrections from Jal.
The sixth being AI should be voting Baby Spice not SC because of Jal.

When does Medhi start posting actual reasons of his own?

VOTE: StrangeCoug

@Spice what did you think of jal's vote when she made it and before you saw the wagon and analyzed the wagon as a whole?

I didn't like it at the time. Still don't.


Why do you ask now? Why not a hell of a lot earlier?

Since it's a big portion of why you're being fosed so I wanted to ask it clearly. If it was bad before you analyzed the wagon why not say it then is the root of the problem.

I will point out again that no-one has FOSsed me at all. I believe that the only FOS in the game was SC on Medhi.

and stiring up an argument that has been ... placed to the side for a while to the betterment to the town, is blowing the town read I had on you.

I suspect you. Jal the main person who argued might be voting elsewhere but that is not a reason for me to stop pushing you.

The only time, to this point, that Medhi gave a reason was

after

Medhi was called for stiring things up. Not in any of the the posts where was trying to badger Jal into voting for me. Not in the post where he tried to Badger AI into voting for me, immediatly after AI voted for SC.
Also note that all of Medhi's diversion type posts stopped when Jal voted me, then never restarted after Jal revoted SC and I called Medhi on the diversion attempt. (Although #546 could be seen as an attempt to restart)

Baby, maybe I missed it somewhere, but if you think SC is scummy, why not vote SC?

Because I'm not sure on SC. I think I said that what worried me about his posting and voting could easily be the disconnect he claimed he felt. I think that Medhi's diversion attempt is scummy in and of itself, and that it must stem from SC being scum. On that basis I want to lynch the scum I believe I have found, then D2 look at the implications of him Medhi flipping scum. If we got to a deadline situation I'd consider lynching SC.

Spice is fosing me right now

Lovely summary of the game state. Pity it's wrong. I am

voting

you. The FOS earlier was to try and illustrate the difference. Something you clearly didn't get or bother to read.
Do I need to quote the WIKI on how to play Mafia here?

[Mehdi2277]

Fos/vote are essentially the same and you can continue to yell at me over diction if it pleases you. It being a town/town fight only works if I believe it. Post 484 gave reasons to suspect you, but I guess that post not making sense fits with you wanting everything to be literal.

Diverting/pushing both have the goal of a lynch and that's pretty much all it does on someone.

My reasoning can be jal's reasoning.

You pushing that votes aren't foses is dumb and more of you trying to argue diction.

Why should I give a reason before. I knew why I was doing it, so there's no need for me to say while I'm doing it that it's because of that. Especially when it weakens it since I wanted your response to that loaded question.

Me still pushing you is me still diverting to you even though you want to treat the two as separate.

You could quote the wiki. I could also quote win stats if it pleases you that shows either I have some knowledge or am pretty lucky but either way means following me works.

[Mehdi2277]

Oh and to make clear that response is continued fos of you by me. You're trying to make me look scummy for diction (somehow if I vote someone then it isn't an fos at the same time).

[Lurker]

Okay I more or less decided I'm not gonna read the thread up until this point which is probably really gonna hamper my scumhunting but I might as well try to get in the game because up until now all I've really been doing is prod dodging.

So can somebody please explain to me what's going on so I can begin to play? without being a fucking useless retard? thx

Quick summary (I think)

RANDOM VOTING!

I Countervote saying joke is "weak reasoning"

Discussion about jokes and whether it is still RVS (medhi brings up rolefishing, but does not do it.) #17 - #27

Robert2424 bandwagon takes off becuase "he takes jokes too seriously." (or some reasoning like that) Post #32

for most players, ti is said we are OUT OF RVS. (no post number)

I say we are still in RVS, as I think that the discussion is still weak. #44

Jal makes case on me here, says I am bailing out by leaving my vote from RVS (Or something like that) #66

Bandwagon ensues (Insert "Sheeping argument" shenanigans) Starts at post #66

Medhi calls Jal Reasoning a bit "dumb". #73 & #79

SOme day 1 theory whether to lynch or not to lynch. #86 - #95

Babyspice starts posting statistics #101

Medhi and Babyspice are not both on Jal.

Mogodishu Jones Votes babyspice for her "Statistics argument" #117

Mhork Bandwagons on my wagon #119

Medhi switches to Mhork #128

I am at L-3

Jake from state farm Randomly Says Sup #154

StrangerCoug votes Mhork saying something like "I don't like him saying that early wagons are bad" #162

I vote MHork, conflict ensues. #168

#176 - #187 is Jake getting back in the game.

#202 Jake has scum read on me

Page 9 is medhi and jones talking back and forth.

Post #239 Robert Votes JAl saying " Jal directing Babyspice is defensive"

#255 Jake Votes SC, No reason at the time.

#257 I AM AT L-1 !!!! Things start getting heated. ( He "Sheeped"(according to me) off of Mhork's defense on page 9.)

PAge 11 is SC and Jake from state farm going at it.

I claim #276 VInilla Townie with a Railroad card, saying I have cards in addition.

#278 I say I have The eletric complany card as well.

#307 I say the eletric company is 1-shot Tracker.

Unvoting and argument ensues due to the staggered nature of my claim.

#342 Sc Bandwagon is started by Jal.

Page #15 Robert get Doublevoter Card, dissusion ensues. (IDK why I keep saying ensues.)

#381 Babyspice Uses more statistics.

Page #16 is continueation of SC bandwagon.

PAges #18 -21 Is abotu the cards, adn the bastard element in the game.

That's all I have time for right now, maybe I'll finish the sumary.

P.S NOw that I look at it, It isn't exactly quick.

[Jake from State Farm]

202 - I never say I have a scumread on you, that's a quote (or paraphrase of a quote) that I believe you actually said at some point.

[Lurker]

202 - I never say I have a scumread on you, that's a quote (or paraphrase of a quote) that I believe you actually said at some point.

OK. It gets confusing when compiling this many events.

I didn't mean to construe things.

[Jal]

legitimately don't/didn't, and I really don't appreciate you speaking for me.

@Jake: I read through the thread super late at night, so I didn't really grasp it then. I haven't gone back because I figured I'd just ask for a quick summary when it came up again, rather than have to re-read several pages.

Oh ho ho really now? Baby Spice already asked me for the case a two pages prior to your big case on her. So, I again, specifically outlined it for her and directed her back to my original post. You are telling me you went through the thread, made a case on Baby Spice that has to do with our interactions with each other which included me restating the case SPECIFICALLY FOR HER, and yet you just really couldn't get a grasp on iwhat case there was on SC? Oh, but you got the grasp that her interactions with me were scummy and certain things she said on _that same page_ were scummy?

I don't care if you don't appreciate any shit. You were either being super sarcastic by asking for a case already stated and for something several people have argued for, or you are a horrible replacement who didn't read shit all and is talking out of their ass/scum who is tunneling a town player. Whatever the case, you and your faux internet sensitivities can fuck off.

[Mehdi2277]

Or you can have fun reading 20 pages late at night and try to see how much you remember that's not on the people you suspect most.

[Jal]

20

WHOLE

pages?! Oh deary deary gosh!!!!!111111 Even if he just remembered the people he suspected most, he would should remember the questoning/see it in ISOs of her. Fact is, the SC case has been stated by me, you, and Baby has some some vague shit on it. Jake's questioning doesn't count. I have stated the case again. If he is so tired that he can't remember any of these shit posts, if he doesn't, refer back to horrible replacement/scum bit..

Lurker, if you have time to do that analysis over information crap, then you have time to actually interact with people here as they actually say things or give more lengthy responses.

Going over walls and through Annachie's ISO today.

[Jal]

Hey Medhi. Any reason you tried to pull me off the SC wagon to go onto Baby Spice (no one on it) which you thought was stronger - before doing it yourself?

[Mehdi2277]

Yes since I have trouble remember what CS stuff I did last night when I chose to work at 3am. If you're going to do something late and expect remembering everything it probably won't work too well so I find his question reasonable.

Since I think she's quite a bit more suspicious. Caring about wagon size only really matters when the scum reads are equal or near equal.

[UberNinja]

Thanks Lurker! You're town

Jal's still scum

Mehdi still needs to die first

#YOLO

[Mehdi2277]

And you still need to explain why you think that.

[Jal]

So, I looked at Annachie. Not only has Baby spice not used statistics prior, Baby spice also barely used strange in all the games on that account. It still holds that Baby has used strange mainly as scum on that account unless there is another one you want to point to. Annachie is also an older account with most games being several years ago, which wouldn't make it a "recent thing" Baby.

So basically, this is all bunk:

Why yes, it is a recent thing. It grew out of a specific game. And as I repeatedly said, it was a tool to give me a place to look, not a place to vote. You seem hung up on that big time.

Scum worry about being caught. Scum worry about not knowing or understanding why they got caught. If you don't know why or understand why it's kind of hard to talk your way out of it.
This is the whole basis behind reaction fishing.
To put it in simple terms.
My vote worried you. You don't understand the reason for it. Therefor you argue a non-point to death to try and talk your way out of it.

Why I wanted to look at a specific wagon at a specific size is a complete null point. You're harping on about it is a scum reaction. You're misrepresentation of the facts surrounding it is a scum reaction.

Or am I confused and you're talking about your use of the word strange?

I looked at that too. You barely use the word strange in games. We're talking 0-2 mentions a game, and more to the tune of "strange choice" regarding a night action. Of the few times you used strange several times? You're scum. You were cult in Stars Aligned III, which seems to be the equivalent to mafia for that game and your were a traitor cop in Secret Society Mafia.


You need to look at other games under another name. Wait, didn't I suggest that already?

Either way, you don't employ the former tactic, and of the rare occasion you more consistently employ the second you're scum.

At least you're finally doing some work to support your statements. But you have more work to do.
I'll give you a hint though. It does seem to happen more when I'm snarky.

But hey, I may be wrong. Where are these games, Baby?

[Jal]

Also, I totally have been playing that drawception game, and played one with Brawl in fact. Better drawer than I am.

[TehBrawlGuy]

20

WHOLE

pages?! Oh deary deary gosh!!!!!111111 Even if he just remembered the people he suspected most, he would should remember the questoning/see it in ISOs of her. Fact is, the SC case has been stated by me, you, and Baby has some some vague shit on it. Jake's questioning doesn't count. I have stated the case again. If he is so tired that he can't remember any of these shit posts, if he doesn't, refer back to horrible replacement/scum bit..

Lurker, if you have time to do that analysis over information crap, then you have time to actually interact with people here as they actually say things or give more lengthy responses.

Going over walls and through Annachie's ISO today.

If you're so insistent about everyone reading everything, why aren't you up in UN's face? He's asking for a summary of the entire game after having prod dodged for days. I asked for one case after posting damn good content.

By the by, the reason for my 'faux internet sensitivities' is because this is mafia. You misrepped me by speaking for me, and additionally, Scum benefit much more from inciting an argument. Once two people start fighting, it stops having to do with t

Also, I totally have been playing that drawception game, and played one with Brawl in fact. Better drawer than I am.

Seriously? Which one was that?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Got cut off with the copy paste there. it should read "Once two people start fighting, it stops having to do with their roles and becomes pointless noise.".

[Jal]

Mostly because he is usually useless in every game I've been with him in until the last day or so. Not intentionally "misrepresenting" when it looked like you were being a sarcastic ass. Also, no one was going to fight. What would they fight about regarding that argument? Whatever whatever. This is useless.

This is the game http://drawception.com/viewgame/Xf5pAtApPY/77107532/ I'm Meeperton panel 8. Love the monocle.

[Jal]

*what would they fight about regarding my comment

[Xisiqomelir]

Back. Will catch up on Jal vs Baby next.

what happened to this?

Sorry, got busy IRL with parties etc. Will get to it next year in detail.

Coming tomorrow AM.

[Baby Spice]

RL problems are tieing me up for a couple of days.

[Jal]

Whoa whoa whao. STOP THE THREAD. Did anyone else actually read what Lurker wrote in his big posts?

#307 I say the eletric company is 1-shot Tracker.

PLEASE DO EXPLAIN THIS TO ME, LURKER FRIEND