Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[Mogadishu Jones]

vote: everyone

[Mogadishu Jones]

It's more of jokes by themselves I dislike. Do you have any weak opinions on people not related to username type stuff? Continuing lurker want to explain the not thinking thing as a scum tell?

Is this in and of itself a joke?

[Mogadishu Jones]

As a follow up Mendhi, are you really as anti-joke as you purport, or was this played up so you could "reaction fish".

Fwiw I think reaction fishing is a a waste of time.

Extra fwiw: I've eaten chinese food for three days straight and now my bowel movement smells like lo mein.

[Mogadishu Jones]

No. How does it sound like a joke?

The complete ridiculosity of such a line of questioning at such a point in the game was so head scratchingly lulzy I had t consider maybe it was a joke.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Hd to*

[Mogadishu Jones]

Had to*

Christ what a bunch of fail my typing is.

[Mogadishu Jones]

I'm anti joke during the game if the post doesn't have something relevant (although if I already have a read on someone I don't mind as much). It wasn't done to reaction fish.

P-edit: Intentionally stretching on something early on works though. Weak reasoning > No reasoning.

I'm anti joke myself, but theres a difference between "joking in the rvs phase" and "overjoking in the rvs phase", and I'm not sure you differentiated very well in this case.

Regardless I'm leaving our small chat here rather satisfied.

[Mogadishu Jones]

It seems worth announcing that I just landed on communtiy chest and was then assessed for street repairs.

How or why? Nada kloo

[Mogadishu Jones]

Moving on SC how'd you expect me to respond? You fosed me based on meta and unvoted me saying we don't need to argue meta?

Speaking of meta, someone should give me a rundown of these folks this is my first serious game here since leaving mtgsalvation.com (I think there are some others players from mtgs here maybe, Chamber a long time ago lol), and it might be useful so I dont jump on someone for like lurking or something when that is totally their go to move.

[Mogadishu Jones]

I haven't played with the majority of players here, but if a scum tell is part of their meta then they can defend it here too.

Well obviously but habits exist and its nice to be familiar with them. This isnt my first game homie, I get that you can't expect scum to roll over on their meta and vice versa. I'm not one to but hardly any stock into meta, but meta can cause minor tweaks that I need to be prepared for.

[Mogadishu Jones]

It seems worth announcing that I just landed on communtiy chest and was then assessed for street repairs.

How or why? Nada kloo

For real or is this another joke post?

Completely for real.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Can you explain what being assessed for something in this game does? Did you just get pmed saying you were assessed and nothing else occurred?

Yeah i was told I had landed on community chest, followed by being told I had been assessed street repairs. Nothing else and it hasnt affected me in any way I can tell.

I believe there is a card in the actual community chest stack in the board game version which assesses street repairs.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Holy crap somehow I missed posts 43-46.

I'm down for this

unvote: vote lurker

@lurker: regarding post #44, why did you feel the need to announce you weren't moving your vote?

[Mogadishu Jones]

Moving on SC how'd you expect me to respond? You fosed me based on meta and unvoted me saying we don't need to argue meta?

Much of it is faulty memory on my part (now that I'm looking at the Dirty Dealing game, much of your behavior is actually the same), and I concede that. I just thought that the discussion of post restrictions in Dirty Dealing was something you could legitimately take seriously, while I was baffled as to why you seemed to treat Robert2424 as really wanting to lynch Lurker because of his username.

Your current read on mehdi is best described as: town/scum/neutral?

Obv if town or scum I don't expect a hard read.

[Mogadishu Jones]

I want to say neutral.

Finish the sentence:

I want to say neutral but....

[Mogadishu Jones]

@Jal, I actually thought Jake had something since I remembered his name, but I wasn't asking for a detailed just a simple he sounds normal, a bit more relaxed, etc. Just a small lean thing to continue.

Next, dislike the Lurker wagon. Curious when the last time someone only read a few posts in this short of a game has happened since he stopped reading after 4 posts doesn't seem likely. Nor is it really new for someone to treat early discussion as weak. So mog/jal want to explain it more then that?

P-edit: I'll be clearer then SC. I was criticizing the joke vote.

I'd like him to answer my question first.

I'm not sure how you can dislike me being on a wagon when youre not sure why I'm on it in the first place though. It's almost as if you want to put your foot down as the first person to be against the wagon of a mislynch, to buy yourself some town cred later.

[Mogadishu Jones]

The more people negatively react to

three

votes on Lurker, one of which is a RVS vote, the more I'm liking this wagon.

Seems a bit of a leap.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Holy crap somehow I missed posts 43-46.

I'm down for this

unvote: vote lurker

@lurker: regarding post #44, why did you feel the need to announce you weren't moving your vote?

I think that says why you're on the wagon. If it's a different reason you can say it, but from the reasoning here that I'm assuming followed Jul's I dislike why you're voting him and disagree with it being scummy.

P-edit: And Jake was also the first person voted.

No, but I still think the reasoning you're pushing is dumb. Sure scum have done it, but you're not rejecting the general statement. Treating early comments as still random isn't new from town either and either explain how it happens more often from new scum relatively then new town or it isn't a scum tell.

Making assumptions so maybe you know why I'm on the wagon, maybe you don't. Gotcha.

[Mogadishu Jones]

A leap?

Yep.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Mog if you want to play vaguely sure, but otherwise I'll assume your vote is because of what you said near it. Jal posts right before you quoting a post from lurker. You say you didn't notice it and then vote him.

Jul It doesn't take 5 votes on a person to call reasoning bad.

Robert what would you like to do day 1? No lynching is worse then mislynching.

Im a pretty vague guy until its time to throw a haymaker. I don't fault your reasoning at all but give me just a sec or two and I'll gladly expound. I would certainly not lynch someone following the case Jal's made, so don't worry. I am however, thinking I might move in a similar vein ya dig?

[Mogadishu Jones]

Do you have a pr that says you have to pretend to be a monopoly philosopher?

[Mogadishu Jones]

The more people negatively react to

three

votes on Lurker, one of which is a RVS vote, the more I'm liking this wagon.

So you're saying to more resistance, the more likely that the person is scum and scum-buddies defend each other?

Hey man, answer my question.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Since that calculater gave the exact same answer I don't think it correct.

@Jal. If u really want to bring that game up. They were serously lucky to have that luck. 2 The town LOST the game still with lynching of scum day 1. So it dosent really help your case. Im talking about my exp on Ika Mafia.

Lol no way we no lynch. Even if we mislynch we gain a plethora of information.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Firstly, 72% of the first wagon to get to four votes in a game has scum on it. (Using the vote count posts to determine when that four votes occurred)
So
{Agent Ireland, Jal, Mogadishu Jones, Xisiqomelir} At least one scum in there.

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for lurking... wait

I'm glad you read four posts after your last one and decided you didn't need to play the game anymore.

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Holy crap somehow I missed posts 43-46.

I'm down for this

unvote: vote lurker

@lurker: regarding post #44, why did you feel the need to announce you weren't moving your vote?

I'm curious as to where this Lurker wagon will take us. In fact, I'm willing to help it along.

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So we have an obvious RVS vote, Bull shit misrepresentation as justification for a vote, blatant sheeping with a vague question to try and hide the sheeping, and blatant wagoning.

Leaving aside the sheeping/wagoning for the moment which are in the slightly scummy field of activities, Jal's post and vote just scream scum.

Unvote
Vote Jal

Generally I find the first person to mention math is scum, and I'm giving the nolynch math people a pass.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Are you saying you find Sugar scummy or what?

Who?

[Mogadishu Jones]

But if youre asking about baby spice then yeah. Reasons=math

unvote

The speed of this wagon is ridiculous

[Mogadishu Jones]

Who cares? Its to early for all that.

[Mogadishu Jones]

[quote="In Because early wagons are bad, right?[/quote]
Not necessarily, but speed lynches are.

VOTE: Mhork

You're not even taking a minute or two to go back and check and are just arguing back without thinking much. Currently you're worse then Xis the guy who can't pressure at all.

How is what he's doing indicative of scum alignment at all?

[Mogadishu Jones]

Man those tags got all effed up.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Six pages in and this medhi guy seriously is about to wet himself to lynch someone, its tripping me out.

[Mogadishu Jones]

And then add in his vote on Lurker is also blatant sheeping. The reason he gave is near identical to what Jal gave.

So scum are sheep? This game is going to be way easier than I thought :hifive:

[Mogadishu Jones]

Wagons get results, Mehdi. That is how you git dem scums. Actually Mog's turn against you looks pretty scummy.

Six pages in and this medhi guy seriously is about to wet himself to lynch someone, its tripping me out.

Yeah, putting those first or second votes on people. He really wants a lynch. So, do you think Mehdi be da scums?

Its page five what do you think I am, a prophet? Does everyone on this site plan to catch the scum immedietly?

[Mogadishu Jones]

OK so let's see what the voting reasons are for the peeps on my wagon:


Jal "I'm glad you read four posts after your last one and decided you didn't need to play the game anymore."

Thinks that me leaving a vote on someone thinking that it is still RVS is negative.

Explained vote. (I call it legit because it is actually explained, and she tried. Not that it is sufficient reason to lynch me.)

Jones: I'm down for this unvote: vote lurker

Not really too much info.

Xis: I'm curious as to where this Lurker wagon will take us. In fact, I'm willing to help it along.

So, curiosity.

Lord Morke: for thinking that he could just drop his vote and not help move the game from RVS.

So we have 1 legit reason, Curiousity, A clone of the legit reason, and A vote to bandwagon.

Yep. That's as far as I know the reasons people are voting me. (My knowledge isn't very good: If I'm wrong, tell me)

Hey pal, if your actually reading, why do you refuse to answer my question.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Before I expound on why that is silly and I think requires further scrutiny, one more question.

Why did it take you so long to answer the question?

[Mogadishu Jones]

I keep trying to ctrl-c out of the old paper note book I use for these types of things, but it doesn't seem to work.
I jump and change a lot between computers and mobile devices, and not even my own computer since my laptop died. Paper notes for me.

I will accept pictures.

Also, more has happened outside this thread than Lurker's wagon. Thoughts on Mhork, please.

al "I'm glad you read four posts after your last one and decided you didn't need to play the game anymore."

Thinks that me leaving a vote on someone thinking that it is still RVS is negative.

Explained vote. (I call it legit because it is actually explained, and she tried. Not that it is sufficient reason to lynch me.)

I assure you, I did not vote you because you left your vote on someone.

Lurker, give me some thoughts on people beyond the reasoning for your wagon.

ts page five what do you think I am, a prophet? Does everyone on this site plan to catch the scum immedietly?

This doesn't relate to what you were saying. Also, answer question.

I did answer the question. I expected you could infer "I don't know right now" from "what do you think I am, a prophet?" I then questioned why it sees like at least three of you (you, mendhi, spice) seem to think the scum are just going to parade into your lap on day 1 before half the player base is even slightly actively involved.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Lurker other more important question on your reads on who voted me (or well better reads in general including Xis and Mhork)?

SC is there a reason to not say the other reason you unvoted me.

Mog you're bugging people about answering questions, but won't answer one yourself. You claimed to have voted Lurker for a reason you didn't say, but won't say it. What is it or is faking something too hard?

Are you joking me? I think I've been rather clear on why I'm not answering questions when I choose not to, so I don't get why you're acting like I'm trying to dodge.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Coug... Pal... That wagon comment was sarcasm. You see I was helping build an early wagon and Mogadishu was implying that there was some bad thing attached to early day wagons...

Also I amended my reaction fishing statement in my last post.

And, Jal, I'm phone posting but it's guy mixed with analysis of posts that I match with a town mindset.

I do not recall implying such a thing.

[Mogadishu Jones]

How? She's been pushing people and scum hunting more then most of this town. She started the first true wagon.

And at the moment lynching scum > pressuring some lurker.

How much do you like pretending your captain townie mctowniepants?

Is it a lot?

I bet it's a lot.

[Mogadishu Jones]

I think there's no reason to not answer. If you want to soft claim a role this early then just say it's role related.

And again I'm not sure who all three scum are, but if have someone as a strong scum read I'll tunnel them until my mind changes or they're dead.

P-edit: Arrogance is fun.

Well think away bit you're wrong. And its not role related, I explained why I wasnt answering immediately but also noted I would following a few questions of my suspect, what part of this do you fail to understand?

Have you ever cooked a soup before? You have to let it simmer for a while to let all the flavors get just right. You dont just bring it to a boil then eat.

That said The promised explanation will be my next post! Please give me just a sec this ipad is a bitch to type on.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Well my ipad refuses to play nice with the multiquote options. So lets pretend we have post 44 to lead this off. Post 44 ofc being the lurker post which has garnered the wagon. The catalyst for my vote was entirely the last line, informing us that he would leave his vote for now, but don't worry! He would move it outside the RVS. This struck me as a tad off? Why? Rather than go off on that immediately, we let it simmer. Ask him why did he feel the need to type this particular sentence. What was the motivation for that phrase? A scum mindest?

Holy crap somehow I missed posts 43-46.

I'm down for this

unvote: vote lurker

@lurker: regarding post #44, why did you feel the need to announce you weren't moving your vote?

To let them know that at the same time I wasn't lurking and would move my vote eventually.

His response was the above. I argue based on this, that yes, his post 44 was motivated by scum alignment. See, why would you need to let us know you would move your vote eventually and why did you seem to want to note your adherence to rvs? To fit in. If town, there is no reason to make that post. You probably dont even think about it. We know we're in RVS, we know half the votes aren't serious, we know theyll likely move when things heat up (more than likely, they better actually), and thus votes at the time are of minimal importance. Frankly they barely matter at all. Only as scum do you make that post. You want to fit in, you have to post so you dont lurk, you likely feel antsy. You post about how its RVS ad youll move your vote when needed (probably when a mislynch wagon is rolling along lol). Youre trying to fit in. In your mind youre saying "just act natural, just act natural......uhhhhh.....rvs ill move my vote". Well duh you will, we all will! But the rest of us didnt have to make sure everyone else knew.

Then this.

Before I expound on why that is silly and I think requires further scrutiny, one more question.

Why did it take you so long to answer the question?

Because It did not seem like a pressing issue, considering it was RVS anyway.

Thats just terribad. If it wasnt pressing why would I keep asking? Furthermore, my original vote on you was outside the rvs, and made clear through my interactions as something I was serious about. i mean you ignored ,e asking on like three separate occasions, so I'm not sure what to call your response other than a fabrication because you dont have a good answer.

The above now considered and marinated on, I am prepared to watch lurker swing.

unvote: vote Lurker

[Mogadishu Jones]

Pls, quotes and using names and not just personal pronouns adds context which is fabulous, but please trim the quote to relevence. Walls of quoted text for a single line response is not good.

Im not sure if this is directed at me but with the constrains of this tablet trying to delete a bunch of quote text is a pain in the rear not to mention could likely result in the huge quote tag fail I had earlier so with all due respect you may just have to deal.

Also I post one liners a lot, highly doubtful is changes.

[Mogadishu Jones]

lurker or Lord, lurker is the scummier of the 2

Care to elaborate as to why?

Gut

I like your style pal.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Also if yossarian2 who's always lurking this game is yoss from goodgamery/mtgs, flash your headlights three times.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Nope and I fail to see even a smidgeon of similarites.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Being irl busy is irl based. You cant try and analyze peoples real lives nor do I think its in fair taste to try.

[Mogadishu Jones]

But one doesnt need to be said. A v/la is something that needs to be noted and isnt a given. I think my argument may be going over your head.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Still, a period of inactivity is worth noting, planning to move your vote when rvs is over is so irrelevant the only person who thinks to mention that is someone who needs to create a façade

[Mogadishu Jones]

It's not the promise, its the mindset behind it.

[Mogadishu Jones]

I dont look for scumtells, but scum mindsets.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Scumtells are just a good lead to investigate for a mindset.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Also on the topic of disagreeing, do you feel better about me waiting to explain that? I ask because its kinda my style and I feel like this conversation may follow me into future games.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Read wise? It helps since you actually are showing a good amount of thought in reads and makes me think you're more likely town. Agreement wise I still think they both show similar mindsets of someone trying to explain they'll help later when it really doesn't help besides show they aren't lurking.

Cool cool. I spose ill have to lean on the others, would you argue for us to not lynch lurker though?

[Mogadishu Jones]

Yu must feel highly of yourself if you think you both caught scum and can tell he's not bussing on page nine.

Not that I'm not guilty of arrogance in mafia myself.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Well you think lurker is scum. I think mhork is. As for not bussing you generally don't assume every time someone you suspect is voting someone it's mafia. You usually think it's voting a mislynch.

I don't generally assume anything.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Liking the two highest posters for town is probably a good idea if youre scum.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Not saying you're scum, but I may need to remember that later

[Mogadishu Jones]

Pshah

[Mogadishu Jones]

Man I wouldnt oppose Lord Mhok getting votes.

[Mogadishu Jones]

So you spend most of the time calling me bad and then just back track at the end to I'm town? Continuing I didn't call jal mafia. I was referring to robert's scum reads because I'd rather him vote someone I think is town then vote no one. I also see a complete lack of reasoning for town Mog.

No. Read my fucking post. You may be bad, but bad play is not, nor has it ever been, a scum tell. In fact, some of the worst players are frequently town because they focus less on public image and more on trying to find scum. Your misguided and terrible attempts to make me out to be mafia look like genuine efforts to scum hunt, so I have a town read on you regardless of my analysis of your skill level.

And the magno-whatever town read is a vibey feel from his posts that I don't have the time or energy to back up with pinpoint quotes and evidence right now.

Man I wouldnt oppose Lord Mhok getting votes.

In that case you could always grow a pair and vote me yourself rather than doing an obviously scummy tactic of waiting for someone else to build a wagon and case on me leaving you free to absolve yourself of any responsibility later on for my mislynch.

Nah bruh, I'd rather lynch Lurker.

[Mogadishu Jones]

UNVOTE: Mhork VOTE: Xis I'm not going in detail unless someone wants me to but I like his last two posts as he's been pushed more. My opinion Xis hasn't changed so it's mainly unvote someone he wanted to pressure to vote lurker when it didn't seem like he found him scummy (and if it was to pressure why unvote the guy you're trying to pressure to vote someone else for pressure reasons).

Mog probably still thinks lurker is a better lynch and having multiple scum reads that deserve votes isn't a scum tell.

Hhahahaha wat

[Mogadishu Jones]

I mean he hasnt posted in a min so its not like there was a new development.

[Mogadishu Jones]

U going to answer me Jones?

I missed the question

[Mogadishu Jones]

Man I wouldnt oppose Lord Mhok getting votes.

Lord Mhork would be one of those easy targets people say that scum look for. Just saying.

Ok.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Vote: strangercoug

Wo ho ho you are quite the character!

[Mogadishu Jones]

Is l-2 standard claim range round these parts?

Also more nothing, but Ive received two more community chest cards and continue to have no idea why.

[Mogadishu Jones]

L-1 runs the risk of a hammer and I personally support claims at l-2.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Announcing L-1 doesnt negate the risk of a speed hammer. Why not just play it safe?

[Mogadishu Jones]

Announcing L-1 doesnt negate the risk of a speed hammer. Why not just play it safe?

Why play it safe? Why bend over backwards for other people's carelessness, for that matter?

Wo's talking about carelessness? I'm talking about well veiled hammers to end the day waaaayy earlier than necessary. In this case, its moot as lurker has claimed.

Speaking of, he didnt even full claim in his original claim. Thats that ish I don't like.

[Mogadishu Jones]

I'm not sure how to feel about Jones. What is everyboys thoughts on him

I feel up in the air with him right now.

Wow do tell me more.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Announcing L-1 doesnt negate the risk of a speed hammer. Why not just play it safe?

Why play it safe? Why bend over backwards for other people's carelessness, for that matter?

Wo's talking about carelessness? I'm talking about well veiled hammers to end the day waaaayy earlier than necessary. In this case, its moot as lurker has claimed.

Speaking of, he didnt even full claim in his original claim. Thats that ish I don't like.

Would you consider Vanilla +1 shot-ability A vanilla?

I would consider it a vanilla +1 shot ability and would say as much

[Mogadishu Jones]

I'm curious who the hammer intent is since I see a lack of one and mog while it was strange it wasn't scum motivated. He said most of it and the one part he left vague isn't something he'd have been able to keep vague (so yes I recommend you claim the 1 shot ability). He's still responding quickly to when he's been at L-1 and doesn't look more apathetic or constantly focus on defending/avoiding things.

Hes not defending much of anything.

As for who the hammer intent is, what is it with you guys expecting me to see the future?

[Mogadishu Jones]

My 1-shot ability Is watcher.

-_-

unvote

[Mogadishu Jones]

Its a one shot Lurker?

@Jones, Your acting like I should just assume your town, not going to happen.

Go on, do tell me more.

[Mogadishu Jones]

My 1-shot ability Is watcher.

Its a one shot Lurker?

@Jones, Your acting like I should just assume your town, not going to happen.

Robert my man, I smoke a shit ton of weed but you sir have got to be on some supercalifragilistichronic.

[Mogadishu Jones]

I feel like I'm talking to a park full of benches about this claim thing, it really doesnt matter but I for one think from a mafia theory standpoint youre behind if you think l-1 as claim time is apropo.

[Mogadishu Jones]

As for who the hammer intent is, what is it with you guys expecting me to see the future?

It's just convention on this site to almost never hammer without stating hammer intent to allow other people to comment. Might be ignored if someone has already claimed, but otherwise it's just generally stuck too (one big reason why quick hammers almost never happen).

He hinted the power earlier when he said his utility gave him some nice power and it's not like he wouldn't have been made to claim it so the scum motivation of hiding power would be to go fully vanilla not soft claim part making him end up full claiming later.

Is it really a convention that is so rigorously adhered to that the thought of someone breaking this here is considered ludicrous?

If the answer is yes, then I concede my opinion on this matter in favor of yours

[Mogadishu Jones]

9/10 times it'll occur and the tenth either better have a good reason or will be fosed a lot later. That's how rigorous it is.

Oh well fos' are useless imo, l-2 just seems like a better option. Like why not be safe when you can?

[Mogadishu Jones]

I mean where i play hemmers are usually announced but you dont take that risk.

[Mogadishu Jones]

I don't think you're scummy for being used to another way of playing, but there are lots of ways mafiascum.net is different from other Mafia sites. Where I came from (which is better-known as a machinima site than a Mafia site—in fact, Mafia is confined to just a single thread there), votes were secret.

I don't think you guys think I'm scummy for thinking this, or really care if you do lol. Where I played it has its own subforum and like 5-10 ga,es of various sizes running at once (your admin chamber got his start on this subforum). The biggest difference im seeing so far other than this l-2 thing is the pace, on mtgs long drawn out days are the norm, here several of you seem to want to blaze through the day (maybe you want the poe for assistance?). I think i kinda favor something center of the two.

[Mogadishu Jones]

I mean where i play hemmers are usually announced but you dont take that risk.

in theory this is how games should be played, but sadly people don't follow that on this site.

why are we talking about this again?

Gotcha. thanks lets be friends.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Since he was wondering why lurker didn't claim til L-1. I think the main point now is if you were voting lurker and unvoted him who do you suspect now?

Mhork is at the top od the list but I'd like to read deeper and think on Baby Spice and then compare my feelings on the two before committing to my next lynchventure

[Mogadishu Jones]

Is the math the strange thing for her or is something else right now?

I caught something that piwued my entrance to go alng with the math but I need to go back and find it.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Will have spotty activity for the next day or so as I run around on some airplanes.

[Mogadishu Jones]

No. Read the thread I'm new here.

[Mogadishu Jones]

You just do, course I've only seen you Mod, your posts seem like its almost not the same person? Idk why.

Again with the chronic? I gotta smoke like you homie.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Need to reread and catch up, but i dont think ill vote strangercoug