I need to read pages 49->>
Will return after Raw. For now...
She hasn't stood out to me. I had her as a looming scumread over an issue back in my first one or two posts, but I liked her answer. She looked good back then and hasn't bothered me as much as those on my hit list.
In post 1132, Kublai Khan wrote: In post 1095, Kise wrote:LOL... best you got? I fail to see what I lied about. Did I say I've always brought up how stung I was in all our games? You do know the whole reason for me bringing that up is because you called jason town, without consideration that he may be pulling a similar stunt as you, which is what you're acclaimed for? As far as I know, you're the first person to dupe town by fakeclaiming miller. No one really doubted D1 miller claims until after you got away with the fakeclaim and won. You're something like a celebrity. Your act isn't something easily forgotten. So, yes, I brought it up only after you acted as if jason could not be playing any tricks, because I know you're not new when it comes to trickery.
Except it's not similar in any way. If anything Acosmist's claim is the most similar to what I did and no, I'm not giving him any clearance for it.
Keep in mind, you didn't just say "Khan is suspicious", you called me the shadiest person in the game. You still haven't attributed any scum motivations to my actions, you just insisted that I should be a lot more paranoid. Well, there's scum motivation in boosting paranoia and poking holes in other's scumreads. Especially townreads of people of people you don't believe to be scum.
Got nothing to do with Aco. It's always been about how quickly you dismiss jason as town without consideration for him pulling any tricks. How many times do I have to repeat this? I guess I should know you for exaggerations too now? When I called you the sketchiest (when I voted you), you were suppose to add up everything I was saying.
1) You're no stranger to mindgaming town as scum, with respect to your miller fakeclaim years ago.
2) You had jason as town on pages 1-2 and, as someone who should know better, you didn't consider/mention that he could be playing us all by acting as if he didn't know this was a mixed theme game.
3) To speculate...you could be seen as either buddying jasontown, defending jasonscum, or generally trying to add weight towards calling zab scum.
Curious why I don't have KKtown anywhere? Because your reason for quickly calling jason town/townslippy seemed ignorant for someone like you to do. I remember saying I wouldn't let you wear me down. Why do you keep insisting on me going over these points? I don't understand the difficulty in registering why I've been suspecting you.
In post 1101, Yates wrote:...whu? Really? That's what you have for me? That's a misrep at BEST - not a lie.
Vote: Kublai Khan
Explain in your next post why you overstated your case on Kise because this is anti-Town bullshit and I'm in no mood for any more bullshit today.
A misrep is a type of lie. Kise came into the game essentially saying "Khan is a MASTER of manipulation". I'm going to view that as an attempt to discredit me. Especially since Tammy and mastin2, two players whom I've notoriously beaten as scum, are saying that I read as town and Kise has a history of boosting me as a credible town player.
It's meta, so all the caveats apply, but Kise reads like he's trying to be manipulative himself. You don't find it strange that Kise has yet to list a single town-read? Kinda feels like scum keeping their options open, doesn't it?[/quote]
Yep. Gross exaggerations. "Kise why did you lie?" I didn't lie.... Discredit you from what exactly? Discredit your votes and views? If that's so, than I guess any time someone is called scum, they're being discredited... which is kinda everybody now isn't it?
I wish I could find the game(s), but I've stated before that I don't give out strong townreads so early on unless I'm on my 'dying breath' so to speak. The way I see it, it influences scum's night actions significantly, and I don't let my ego tell me I'm right about everything so I don't come up off townreads that easy. I've been embarrassingly wrong with townreads before, and I'm an admitted mid game player overall. Give me a few flips and I'll start with the "he's town don't lynch!!!" stuff.
In post 1167, Kublai Khan wrote: In post 1145, Yates wrote:In fairness, I can't give your "Tammy calls me Town so obviously I'm Town" argument much credence because I have also duped her with ease. Although, maybe I should because that would make me conf-Town as well, right? [<3 Tammy!]
I never duped Tammy. I did the same thing to her as scum that I see Kise doing here. I attacked her credibility so her counter-case looked petty and OMGUS.
Fair.
In post 1167, Kublai Khan wrote: In post 1145, Yates wrote:Meh. I don't have a ton of Town reads either. I think that's fairly common for Town wanting to keep their options open as well. It could be scummy, I suppose, but it is equally indicative of a Townie that simply doesn't trust anyone. Also, I have gotten into the habit of allowing players to defend themselves so I don't defend an incorrect Town read and get burned for it. As scum, I've used that tactic to tie a nearly unlynchable Townie to my destiny so I avoid it like the plague. To that effect, this isn't me defending Kise so much as challenging your logic on a case, which I think is a distinction worth making clear.
Yeah, but. You've got two town-reads in your first two posts. One of them is jasonT1981. Why didn't Kise find you scum? You don't find it strange that I'm held to such an insane standard that nobody else is held to?
Never played with Yates. He could be a newb for all I know (no offense Yates). If it makes you feel better, it is my personal opinion that you should know better than to call someone town for what jason did. ^_^
In post 1168, AngryPidgeon wrote:Pidgey: Never got a strongtown feel from any of his posts. His apathy about Mastin calling him scum with Snifit and his linking me to Snifit while jumping on the wagon are not town motivated. Also hes refusing to take a stance on me and instead bases his read on me off of IaI despite me having a million times more content.
Apathy = carefree?
They have escaped into the mansion where they thought it was safe.
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