Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Glork]

Singer, just tell me if at least one of your nations is at least one of the three I listed. That should suffice for now.

[Glork]

Now I can't sleep.


Add UberNinja to the pool of lynch candidates.

[danakillsu]

Well, it was a great read until page 84. I'm baffled by singer's decision, and there's no way I'm honoring it.

Well thats fucking cool.

2 down, 5 to go?

Whoever this vig is he's a fucking MVP boss.

Just sayin'

These two posts would seem to be obvious town to me, along with some other stuff from Alchemist. Saying stuff like this would make him the worst scum ever or town, and I'm going to assume just from the fact that we haven't policy lynched him that nobody thinks he's gonna be the worst scum ever.

Whoever this vig is he's a fucking MVP boss.

Just sayin'

Also

Vote: Alchemist

This is bad, though. GreyICE doesn't seem to want to see what I saw in those two posts, and has a late reaction to Alchemist that doesn't seem genuine. Given that, Duplicity calling them both town seems a little suspect as well. Their conversation does NOT look like town vs. town. Town vs. town with people like that looks like the conversation between Alchemist and Nikanor.

Spoiler: Pandora's Box

1. Alchemist - Other than posting style and lackluster attack on Glork, the biggest thing that stands out here is relative to Tierce. Alchemist, why did you think Tierce was a good shot when people thought Oversoul's vig was real?

2. TSH - Not much here. I note a lack of dropped hippo wisdom yesterday and a declared willingness to debate. The exchange of words with Ludi didn't make Ludi look great.

3. DDDP - I feel a bit of your pain with large themes, but I hope you show up sooner rather than later. Slight townread on DDDP for giving no shits about scum win condition.

4. Dramonic - Flavor does not a townie make, nor does voting Oversoul. There's a healthy difference between scum and anti-town. One you lynch, one you vig. Your 'come and get some' attitude doesn't match your content output.

5. Duplicity - Good stuff, relatively easy to follow logic. Post 402 is almost spot on, though we don't agree on Quilford and a few small points.

6. Gamma - I am frightened by your idea that content is just starting around post 895. Other than the slightly changing reason on why Gamma thinks the Toast wagon is bad, this slot pleases me. A, would read again.

7. Glork - Please don't quit the site. I think little else needs saying about this slot. Anyone thinking Glork scum would require a Glork/Tierce wombocombo scum gambit to make their reasoning work, and then we could declare mafiascum over and move to browner pastures.

8. Haze - Middle of the pack null. This started smelling like Haze revving up the bus for Toasty, but the reasoning became more inquisitive and diggy.

9. Hinduragi - His posts, they are so TINY. Good grilling of Oversoul, don't like the making excuses for Uberninja early on. In post 617, promises ability to do solid gold posting. Get hyped and do it!

10. Implosion

- This ISO promised much, then had post 890 which gave me a bit of hope, and then nothing. See above Hindu advice.

11. Katsuki - I was excited for like a day when I saw you were on the verge of replacing out only to come back at the last minute and crush my dreams. Conviction is noted, but a case would be nice to give your baseless postulations a base. You've said just less than Implosion in more posts.

12. LLD - Not much of a presence since the waning of the Age of TammyNinja and the waxing of the Age of Oversoul. Post deals are crap and should be treated as such. I like the push on UberNinja early though. What's the theory behind withholding reads?

13. Ludi - No content since the end of Age 1. I'm sorely tempted to sheep Duplicity here, but I don't see a lot. Most of the crap in the ISO is Alchemist related.

14. MoI - Townread. Very unafraid to take the ugly, questionable stances/arguments and drag them to the forefront.

15. MathGirl - That's me!

16. Nexus - Ugh. This post and reading took me hours. At least approximate an effort, you lazy git. This is a Vi game, you know not the treat you are in for.

17. Nikanor - Other than the case on Alchemist and a touch of Oversoul defense, all posts/cases revolve around meta. Tierce finds the cat's meta cases somewhat acceptable, and I generally defer to Tierce regarding meta. Nulltown?

I'm getting tired. These will get shorter/shallower.

18. Oman - Kinda gross. Promises to take a bath to remove grossness and post this weekend.

19. Oversoul

- Really gross. Misguided town is putting it lightly, between defending Toasty before Toasty even showed up and thinking he'd be real cool for faking a daykill.

20. Quilford

- Not a fan of the list on page 2 at all, though it did spark discussion. I require more than a list of vague feelings. You will supply them to me.

21. GreyICE - This slot is like the Katsuki slot but with more ideas and attempts to make content. Reasoning for this being a popular wagon is out there, I'm sure, but I may have to piece it together tomorrow. How sure were you the dayvig was fake?

22. Singersinger - This is bad. The Tammy vote is bad, the 'ugh this game is hard sheep Glork' is bad, the 'I'm just not into it' is miserable.
VOTE: Singersinger

A DAY BREAK

23. SpyreX - His answers to the pressure put on him by various sources (UN, MaguaoI) have been satisfactory, but only just. I want to call it clear town, but it's not there enough. Remember when I was talking about LLD and I said I hate vote trade deals? I dislike proxy votes too. Giving up your vote is like putting down your pistol in an Old West duel. Spy is correct that this game needs blood. It's pretty bloated already, I can't imagine how bad it would be if the lurkfolk actually tried.

24. Tammy - The personality irks me when someone flips the raeg switch, but the concepts presented seem solid. The town parts of the ISO that stand out are recent, the analysis of the LLD vote deal with Spy and the acceptance that meta is a thing around here and the effort to go to her old home, dig up all kinds of games and do analysis on them. The earlier parts of the ISO kind of blur together, but I think I understand where the idea of voting Tammy early came from.

25. Tierce - Like you needed an excuse to go drinking, that's most likely the biggest lie you've told this game. (Note. If you are actually an alcoholic, I beg your pardon.) That said, the reaction to the fake dayvig seems natural enough to me, had the rage stopped early I might have thought scum. Town up and down, but I'll agree with Tammy here, meta is useful but the whole 'What would Katsuki do' argument makes me slightly ill. It isn't everything. I want to hear more on why you think MaguaoI is scum.

26. ToastyToast - Much has been said to merit the below vote already. Not only does Toast come in and suspect the 3 wagons at the time with no other reads, he continually goes back and asks how he could possibly have reads on others by page 8. A few of these other reads come through around page 40 turning his initial 3 reads into 9 reads out of 28, 5 of these being null and no mention of previous suspect Tammy. Of these reads, only one is scum and that's DDDP of all people. Really? You're reading this game, the same words I'm reading, and you come back with DDDP.
Unvote, VOTE: ToastyToast

27. UberNinja - *sigh* Crappy attitude, small townlean. I don't think Toasty's initial post was bad enough for scumninja to rev up the bus so soon, mostly. Disinterest level is dildos, cases instead of reflexive outbursts would be nice. Do you still think Tierce is scum after the whole Oversoul thing?

28. Wyrd

- It took this hydra 1000 posts to get the ball rolling, but there begins to be content, hallelujah. Fate, do try to do more than just mock Tierce. The Ludi point by Nuwen early makes some sense to me, as does the Ludi defense of Toasty point. Similar amounts of town as UberNinja but with much more promise.

29. Zdenek - I'm sorry to hear about the family emergency. Your early content was inquisitive and decent, hopefully when you return it will continue. I'm going to go with the nullside of town for stubbornness. Going after Glork's Katsuki thing in the midst of the Oversoul fakevig and Glork's pondering of replacement doesn't feel like scum looking for blood in the water.

Lookin through this now should be eeenterestin

Unvote, Vote: Oman

Notice you didn't mention me exactly. I don't blame you, because I haven't said all that much, but surely you have some thoughts on me rather than just the guy I replaced.

PEdit: Hey GreyICE and Alchemsist, stop being fuckwits, you're both town so lets not get into a stupid tunnel on each other.

Really? Because 'Good job doctor' posts are like 50% from scum, 25% from the doctor himself. And the doctor in this case is a serial killer...

Again, not good. Not only is he using old, old tells, but even if he was right, there would be a 25% chance that he's telling the maf who the vig is. That's hardly pro-town.

Can we all take a moment and look at TSH's ISO please?

Lots of votes with little explanation, a bit of fluff posting and that's it.

Haze (now Avenging Angel) needs looking at more closely too.

This is a blatant prod response. I've got uni today but then I'm done on my course, and have a two hour train ride this evening that means I'll be able to read up. I've got a job interview on Tuesday though.

Terrible post for obvious reasons. Almost too terrible to be scum, if you know what I mean.

Yeah, I'm not so much interested in a Katslynch anymore.


Tierce, if you get the time, could you update your D1 VCA with the Shmu-flip? There are ~things~ that need checked.

This puts Glork at a solid null-leaning-scum for me. Getting bored with a lynch that has lost support typically acts as a scumtell for me depending on how the person explains. This is such a lackluster explanation, and such a slacker attitude, that I wouldn't be surprised if this is a scum lurker.


@ MaguaofIllusion

You didn't explain anywhere in your long post why I ended up as a priority suspect based on being in one huge group of people, when some had appeared in multiple smaller groups. Your belief that I am likely scum seems to come from nowhere in that post (2052).

Singer
DDD
Oman
Nexus
Maybe ML?

I think that's our lynch pool for the day.


Sec, parsing.

Another scummy Glork post. That list of scum candidates looks like a blatant copy of the popular wagons, with ML thrown in there for good measure, even though he's obvtown.


So my conclusions are that the following people are town:
MagisterLudi
SpyreX
Nexus
Alchemist
singersigner

And that the following people are good lynches:
GreyICE
Glork
DDD


I'll go with GreyICE for now.

unvote vote: GI

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

Glooooooooooooorrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Can we kill Danaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

(and by that, I mean no we are never lynching Dana. For vigging. But I want him dead so baaaaddddd)

[danakillsu]

...

Glooooooooooooorrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Can we kill Danaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

You couldn't have even read my post in that time. Posts like this don't help anybody.

[Glork]

Looking at UN's voting history (Oversoul, Tammy, Tierce, Oman, Toasty, Oman, MoI, Alchemist, Gamma, Oman)...

Oversoul - Town
Tammy - Probstown
Tierce - Town
Oman - Possible scum
Toasty - Town
MoI - Probstown
Alchemist - Town
Gamma - Null-to-town? IDFK.


....combined with his profound inability to understand that this is multiball based solely on the protown win condition...

...equals likely scum.



PEDIT: Wait. Someone thinks I'm scum? Bahahahahaha. Did you miss the part, Dana, during D1 where I was essentially confirmed town? Apparently so...

[Glork]

EBWOP: THAT THIS IS

NOT

MULTIBALL. FUCKING TYPOS.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

Glooooooooooooorrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Can we kill Danaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

You couldn't have even read my post in that time. Posts like this don't help anybody.

I did read your post actually. Your point about GI's vote on Alchemist is bad, since GI explained his vote. Have you even considered his reasoning?

Also, Glork is OBVIOUS town, so no.

DDD I'll give you. Maybe.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Looking at UN's voting history (Oversoul, Tammy, Tierce, Oman, Toasty, Oman, MoI, Alchemist, Gamma, Oman)...

Oversoul - Town
Tammy - Probstown
Tierce - Town
Oman - Possible scum
Toasty - Town
MoI - Probstown
Alchemist - Town
Gamma - Null-to-town? IDFK.


....combined with his profound inability to understand that this is multiball based solely on the protown win condition...

...equals likely scum.



PEDIT: Wait. Someone thinks I'm scum? Bahahahahaha. Did you miss the part, Dana, during D1 where I was essentially confirmed town? Apparently so...

So wait, someone is finally coming around to my PoV?

When does this ever happen @_@

[danakillsu]

Looking at UN's voting history (Oversoul, Tammy, Tierce, Oman, Toasty, Oman, MoI, Alchemist, Gamma, Oman)...

Oversoul - Town
Tammy - Probstown
Tierce - Town
Oman - Possible scum
Toasty - Town
MoI - Probstown
Alchemist - Town
Gamma - Null-to-town? IDFK.


....combined with his profound inability to understand that this is multiball based solely on the protown win condition...

...equals likely scum.



PEDIT: Wait. Someone thinks I'm scum? Bahahahahaha. Did you miss the part, Dana, during D1 where I was essentially confirmed town? Apparently so...

Well, this is WHY someone thinks you're scum. Instead of pointing me to where you were "confirmed town", you laugh and dismiss the whole post. Clearly, I missed this, but I'm not voting you atm anyway.

[Tierce]

dana is obvtown.

Thank goodness, that's one less I have to worry about about reading posts now.

PEdit: Huh, Glork... The protown wincon doesn't point toward multiball at all. The protown wincon requires us to eliminate the flipped scumgroup (the

Daein Resistance

) and keep at least one member of our faction alive.

Okay, good thing the madness was cut right here.

[danakillsu]

...

Glooooooooooooorrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Can we kill Danaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

You couldn't have even read my post in that time. Posts like this don't help anybody.

I did read your post actually. Your point about GI's vote on Alchemist is bad, since GI explained his vote. Have you even considered his reasoning?

Also, Glork is OBVIOUS town, so no.

DDD I'll give you. Maybe.

Which explanation are you referring to? Because I not only considered his reasoning, I refuted it in the post you supposedly read.

[Glork]

I had sort of written off UN as a village idiot, but a jaunt through his ISO revealed some glaring, glaring holes in that theory.

I'm especially hung up on the notion that ANYBODY with the protown win condition could even consider for a SECOND that there is more than one scumgroup.



Fucking all we have to do.
Is kill the Daein Resistance.
And have one member of the "majority" survive.
That's it.
That is exactly what it says.

So why would UN-town ever post this?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I never considered "old old tells" to be a rebuttal.

[Nikanor]

So why would UN-town ever post this?

He probably forgot that part of the town wincon. I was also considering the possibility of an SK before you said something.

[danakillsu]

I never considered "old old tells" to be a rebuttal.

I do, because people are aware of those tells and try to avoid them. But even ignoring that, the rest of the same sentence was really what I was referring to. He's saying "there's a 50% chance I found maf, and a 25% chance I'm outing the vig right now". You don't see a problem with that? Especially given the fact that he's voting someone he's only 50% sure is maf?

[Tierce]

@dana--You are stopping right here and explaining that 'backup' mention a while back.

[Glork]

So why would UN-town ever post this?

He probably forgot that part of the town wincon. I was also considering the possibility of an SK before you said something.

It's all fine and dandy that you admit to being in the "I'm as bad at GreyICE and UberNinja if we're all protown" pool (still haven't forgotten how Grey was convinced D1 that this was multiball, and that's still a big black mark against his alignment).

But explain UN's affinity for pushing protown lynchwagons?

Go ahead, Nik. I'm listening.

[danakillsu]

@dana--You are stopping right here and explaining that 'backup' mention a while back.

No, I'm not. Heck, Glork won't even point me to something already posted in this thread to protect himself. There's no way I'm going to explain something that important just because you feel like it. Maybe if someone shows me where Glork became "confirmed town" I'll tell you.

[Vi]

Mini Vote Count (17):

(top to bottom) Bastian, Lucia, Geoffrey, Elincia
Nexus (L-6) ~ Tammy, Duplicity, Gammagooey,

danakillsu,

Glork, Tierce, Lady Lambdadelta, Alchemist
Oman (L-9) ~ SpyreX, Magister Ludi, UberNinja, Hinduragi
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-11) ~ ToastyToast, MaguaofIllusion
GreyICE (L-11) ~ Katsuki,

Alchemist,

danakillsu
Magister Ludi (L-12) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos
SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
danakillsu (L-12) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro
Alchemist (L-12) ~ GreyICE
singersigner (L-12) ~ singersigner

Gammagooey (L-13) ~

UberNinja

Katsuki (L-13) ~

MaguaofIllusion

UberNinja (L-13) ~

Lady Lambdadelta

Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-13) ~

Hinduragi

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Nexus, Nikanor,

singersigner, Alchemist

-At this time I would like to point out that replacement requests are

requests

.

--With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

30

[Tierce]

@dana--You are stopping right here and explaining that 'backup' mention a while back.

No, I'm not. Heck, Glork won't even point me to something already posted in this thread to protect himself. There's no way I'm going to explain something that important just because you feel like it. Maybe if someone shows me where Glork became "confirmed town" I'll tell you.

Hey. I'm practically confirmed town. You probably missed it around the time that Glork is obvtown as well. Go back to D1, look at when Glork started claiming that he was looking for someone, look at my claim, look at Oversoul's fake dayvig on me, see the mess that ensued. This is hardly invisible and it stumps me that you apparently missed this situation altogether.

And so, with my pretty pretty obvtown status that should give me some pull as to what is important in this town, I'm asking you

again

to explain that backup mention. This shouldn't be like pulling teeth. Backup masonizer makes little sense, so if you have anything going on Magua, it comes out now.

[danakillsu]

I got a PM last night saying that MaguaofIllusion had said something about backup being appreciated. I have no idea why I got this PM or what it means that MaguaofIllusion "said" something. He claims he wasn't talking last night, but the way that the PM is worded, the mod might just mean that MoI's character said something in a flavor kind of way. It really turned out to be nothing as far as I was concerned, so I didn't want to make a big deal of it and possibly out a town power role. Obviously, nobody knows who's doing this right now, but now everyone knows a role that town has. Unless it's a scum role. O.o

[Tierce]

Not necessarily.

Magua claimed a "leader of a nation" masonizer. That makes perfect sense with asking for backup, since the flavor involves war.

Thanks for clarifying it.

[SpyreX]

Uhhh what?

MoI are you seeking someone specifically?

Cause thats sure what it seems like this is.