Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Nikanor]

you're a piece of shit

lol

[Captain Leela]

Are the bolded ones you disagree with Alchemist?

Why do you not like his null read on Spyrex?

Also, we could play duck, duck, goose with the lynches...but Nexus should still be goose.

[Tammy]

Are the bolded ones you disagree with Alchemist?

Why do you not like his null read on Spyrex?

Also, we could play duck, duck, goose with the lynches...but Nexus should still be goose.

Sorry. Tammy wants to know actually

[Alchemist]

I want Nexus to actually post some content first

[Duplicity]

Strong Town Reads: MoI, Glork, Alchemist, Tierce, Toasty, Tammy, Gamma,

Nikanor, Dana, Hind, DDD,

TSH,

Singer, GreyICE

Also how the fuck can you have a null read on Spyre, reg, Thats fishy as fuck

Stealing internet from some library that's somehow in the area while I'm waiting for a train so I'll try and go into these briefly, if you want one elaborated on more just ask and I'll do it tomorrow. Nikanor is town from a bunch of reasons but the largest of those is his back-and-forth with Implosion that I linked you to earlier makes him obv-town, Dana is based on finding Zdenek town though Danas play has been shit so far. Hind is town from his claim + the fact that he/implosion/shmugen don't work together as scum and I actually think I elaborated on this read for you earlier as well. I found DDD's conversation with SpyreX a town-tell, perhaps not as strong as most of my other town-reads but still fairly strong. GreyICE/Shmugen was something that's mostly based on interactions between the two - GI shat on MoI's town-read of him and given that Shumgen is apparently scum-boss don't think he'd attempt to kill any town-cred that he's given from other players. Singer is eh, partially similar to MoI earlier; I think her posts are so bad earlier that they're more likely to come from town-that doesn't give a fuck-her than from scum, also Shmugens vote on her makes me somewhat doubt them being partners.

And the null read on SpyreX is because I liked his 'i have no country' claim but I still find his contuined suspicion of Tammy and a lot of his scumhunting to be hollow - though I've liked his posts since the Shmugen flip. Pretty much just not confident either way in him to take a solid stance.

[Alchemist]

is it within nik's meta to be trollmaster

[Nikanor]

is it within nik's meta to be trollmaster

sigged

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Its pretty much not a vig but whatevs.

Why's that? If it's because they didn't claim like somebody mentioned; I wouldn't claim if I were a vig in this situation.

[GreyICE]

PEdit: Hey GreyICE and Alchemsist, stop being fuckwits, you're both town so lets not get into a stupid tunnel on each other.

Really? Because 'Good job doctor' posts are like 50% from scum, 25% from the doctor himself. And the doctor in this case is a serial killer...

[GreyICE]

LLD it is a good vote especially via Smug AND it can happen.

Oman first.

Also Glork finish.

If Oman is scum with LLD I'll be pretty sad with them both.

[SpyreX]

Why's that? If it's because they didn't claim like somebody mentioned; I wouldn't claim if I were a vig in this situation.

No, because a vig in this setup shooting oversoul and wyrd is on such drugs they're more of a threat than an sk.

Seriously there's less shots that would have been worse than more shots that would have been better

[Hinduragi]

Why's that? If it's because they didn't claim like somebody mentioned; I wouldn't claim if I were a vig in this situation.

No, because a vig in this setup shooting oversoul and wyrd is on such drugs they're more of a threat than an sk.

Seriously there's less shots that would have been worse than more shots that would have been better

I think it's pretty obvious wyrd was a mafia NK because they were the last kill N1 whereas Implosion was the first. NAR pretty much tells us that.

[Hinduragi]

LLD it is a good vote especially via Smug AND it can happen.

Oman first.

Also Glork finish.

If Oman is scum with LLD I'll be pretty sad with them both.

LLD is pretty obviously town. I got that read a while back when I was looking into who to vote. On the surface she's excellent but then you read the posts and suddenly you go "aw fuck I suck at this game".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Guys I'm 99% sure SypreX was agreeing with me that Haze/AA was a good vote. >.>

[SpyreX]

I think it's pretty obvious wyrd was a mafia NK because they were the last kill N1 whereas Implosion was the first. NAR pretty much tells us that.

Ok I'm officially losing my mind.

I swear, swear, that the day had started and there was an almost instant -wyrd- kill.

That didn't happen??

[SpyreX]

Apparently not.

Sweet.

So it could be a vig maaybe that would really, really still need to detail out why oversoul got shot.

And yes I was agreeing with LLD

[Tammy]

Hey Spyrex...stop shooting deathglares at my slot for a sec...What's your read on MoI?

[Tammy]

LLD it is a good vote especially via Smug AND it can happen.

Oman first.

Also Glork finish.

If Oman is scum with LLD I'll be pretty sad with them both.

What is your read on LLD?

[SpyreX]

Gut + things I cant talk about yet says he's scum.
Logically, the claim and interactions say hes not scum.

So, short of the masonizing working AND that person both saying they were masoned and being killed I want him dead before lylo.

[Magister Ludi]

Ludi what are your thoughts on Haze/Avenging Angel

I isoed the joint slots. I also ctrl-f Haze for mention of either implosion or shmugen, and there was none (not that he commented on a lot of players). Anyways. As for their slot, It's not town, and it's not very good, but there are other players I actively want to lynch above them. I thought haze was scummy earlier in day one for his lack of reads and lurking, but since then people have super-ceded them, and I've gone back and forth internally. There are much better people to lynch here today in my opinion.

[Magister Ludi]

Other interesting things from shmu+implosion voting;

singersigner (L-14) ~ Shmugen

Singer more likely town,

Vote Count XI: Mia
MaguaofIllusion (L-4) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki, Oman,

Wyrd,

UberNinja
ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Haze,

Quilford, Wyrd,

implosion,

Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Shmugen

implosion (L-12) ~ Duplicity, Zdenek, MaguaofIllusion
Katsuki (L-13) ~ GreyICE, Nikanor
Oman (L-14) ~ UberNinja, Lady Lambdadelta
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Nexus (L-14) ~ Oversoul
Haze (L-15) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
GreyICE (L-15) ~ Oman, Nikanor

Not Voting: Nexus, dramonic

TSH more likely town (detailed before). Interesting to note is no scum on MoI wagon yet flipped. If you take MoI to be town, we can start mining this wagon. I give singer a little bit of a town read from shmugen, and glork and tierce town as well.

MaguaofIllusion (L-4) ~ Tammy,

Glork, singersigner, Tierce,

Gammagooey, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki, Oman,

Wyrd,

UberNinja

I think Gamma and SpyreX are probably town as well, and then we come to the back nine (so to speak). We've got Katsuki, DDD, Oman, and Uberninja. There is for sure a scum on this wagon. No way, if MoI is town, do scum miss up the opportunity to add fuel to the fire and try and lynch a good player.

I think this strengths my conviction that Oman's got to go.

Then things can begin making a whole hell of a lot more sense.

ToastyToast (L-11) ~ Haze, Quilford, implosion, Shmugen

To Alchemist, here's another reason I give haze a sort of town read as well.

Sadly, Mathgirl/shmu were never voted in this game. Its probably time to go find who suspected that slot, as its unlikely they would be scum willing to bus the big bad, especially since Micaiah probably had some good abilities.

[Magister Ludi]

I also think there could easily be a serial killer in this game as well. Miciah, the head of the baddies, did not flip as XXXX Tarhalindur over mafia, a typical moniker given to a powerful important role in a Vi game. So there is another role out there that has to be powerful enough and important enough to receive that designation, and a serial killer fits the bill in one shape or another.

[Tammy]

What about a day vig?

[Tammy]

I mean would it be likely as Oversoul claimed a fake day vig that a real day vig would kill him over it?

Has anyone ever seen a game with a day serial killer?

[Nexus]

Can we all take a moment and look at TSH's ISO please?

Lots of votes with little explanation, a bit of fluff posting and that's it.

Haze (now Avenging Angel) needs looking at more closely too.

This is a blatant prod response. I've got uni today but then I'm done on my course, and have a two hour train ride this evening that means I'll be able to read up. I've got a job interview on Tuesday though.