In post 450, SpyreX wrote:Why do you have enough opinion for "leaning scum" but not enough for an opinion aside from null even if you have reads?
Because I needed to get scumreads down, not town reads. Secondly, if you actually read the post that I did the Null: everyone else thing, you would know that it was in response to Duplicity who suspected me for not talking about other people. 8 pages in, those were my strongest scumreads, and so I wrote about them. Town reads don't matter nearly as much. If you know I don't suspect them, you know where I stand on them. I also explained that I will eventually make a list talking about everyone, but its too early for that. Hence, my point that its too early to actually take the time and go through everyone, especially with my time constraints.
Oversoul wrote:I dislike Toast for much the same reason I dislike LLD although he has a scumread on Tierce and Tammy which I like.
I'm guessing you are talking about the UN vote. I voted UN over Tammy because I wanted to see how she played the whole meta-game. I voted UN over Tierce because she could just really dislike UN.
singer wrote:I'd also point out that you seem to expect me to be paying attention to everything right now...which I'm clearly not. From my read and without analyzing my posts, that's what I got. Meh. I don't even know you scumreads right now but I can't be fucked to care.
Hm. I'd say singer's Tammy vote drama is just as bad as UN's. If she keeps up with the excuses and the Scotland thing, red lights. start caring or I'm going to assume there's another reason you don't care.
i don't really get where all the Ludi hate is coming from.
@DDD: Instead of saying things, then voting a person that doesn't relate to any of the said things, could you, like, explain your votes?
Duplicity wrote:As scum he can easily attribute whatever actions you've done to pure 'scumminess' rather than anything else and his vote on Toasty isn't 'predatory' by any means, it's merely voting someone for dropping a rather significant scum-tell (Only suspecting players who have wagons already). Anyway cutting down on posting is a good idea.
Again, I'm going to vote for people I find suspicious over people I don't have an opinion on, especially when its my first post of the game. In addition, all three of them were at like L-9, which is hardly a wagon. People who have votes on them are going to attract more attention than people without them for anyone who's trying to catch up 8 pages and get their first vote in.
Duplicity wrote:Tierce is ignoring a great deal of things that make her fairly obvtown including her reaction/genuiness to being voted alongside her unpromopted soft-claim.
How does an unprompted soft-claim make someone obvtown? How does her reaction make her obvtown?
BlahBlahBlah meta blah blah omg paranoia mafia blah
Agree with UN that most of the Alchemist votes are lazy
Tierce wrote:The three starting/main wagons? No visible intent to actually get reads elsewhere or push your scumreads?
Rope pl0x.
UNVOTE: Tammy
VOTE: ToastyToast
Shocker. Tierce fails to get the point of that statement. The point was to show why I'd rather not make a list of EVERYONE. 8 pages in, I'm not going to talk about everyone. I''m going to talk about people who are under suspicion and figure out if I also suspect them. In this case, I did also suspect them. Null:everyone else is not my actual list. I don't want to make something I think is going to be useless for the most part, especially given that some people haven't even talked yet.
Tierce wrote:I mean, seriously, wtf is this? So we've played/read each other before, and that's suspicious? (You're in for a loop with me, I've read a lot of games for my join date.) You're not even trying to figure out who is scummier of the set? You have no comments on anything else? 'This early in the game' being page 20? We may be close to the start chronology-wise, but you find nothing else to comment on?
I've been busy enough defending myself given that ever since my first post I've had like 20 questions to answer each time I come back. I've been forced onto the defensive, having to defend my scumreads from a first post. Yes, 20 pages is still fairly early, especially since I'd say there's only like 6 people who are posting a lot and a bunch of people who are just sort of sitting back.
Tierce wrote:Then... my aggression is scummy, how? When I've stated directly in this game that I intend to be more aggressive as town, the reasons for it, and then do it--calling me (over)aggressive = scummy seems to defeat the point.
saying "oh hey guys, Imma play differently this time
" is scummy too. Why do you need to tell people you're playing differently? Why not just do it? Unless your "new town" matches your scum identity, there is no reason for it. And if it does match your scum identity, then its still scummy.
Tierce wrote:I'm not really reading UN's posts.
protown attitude right there.
MOREMETABLAHBLAHBLAHITSABUNCHOFDISTRACTINGNONSENSE
Tierce wrote:It's different. Ludi is asking me who are potential mislynches--either for him or so I'll share that knowledge with the rest of the game. With the amount of games I read, this is dangerous information to provide scum with off-hand, and it has no bearing in whom I actually think is scum, so there's no point in dwelling on it.
Not necessarily. By giving that information, scum would have to risk being called out on it. Say, if you and Ludi agree that Tammy is a potential mislynch, scum might actually ignore such a wagon.
In post 507, Tierce wrote:Oh, what the hell. That was obvious enough to anyone familiar with Fire Emblem and any scum worth their mettle will realize who the trio is.
I'm
Rolf. If Oscar and Boyd (or other Greil Mercenaries) are out there and can neighborize/masonize/whatever, HAI I'M HERE.
If not, well--carry on.
WHY. WHY WHY WHY. Oh, that's a good idea! Lets tell scum that there's a dangerous and possibly-conf-town trio!
Unvote:Vote:Tierce
Lastly, BLAHBALHMOREMETAISTHISALLULIKETOTALKABOUTPEOPLECOMEON
Haze wrote:Sure, any other people who're suspicious?
Also why the need to insult your wagon?
working progress. Singer; going to look thoroughly at Duplicity as well--not really a scumread, but gettin them feels.
I will insult my wagon if I think its stupid. Not like I'm in OMGUS mode.
Tierce wrote:I expect that "Micaiah's plan" list isn't going to include just 'famous' names, but honestly I stepped too far on that softclaim and thought it best to be open about it and call for my potential 2/3rds. With luck, there is actually a power role if we get together, oooor there is actually no co-PR whatsoever and paranoid scum shoot me, which wouldn't be too shabby.
So, instead of just shutting the f up about your softclaim, you decide to name claim AND mention a possible connection of the three brothers? You do realize that this is more dangerous than just soft-claiming? Its not even an issue of a single death
In post 515, Quilford wrote:UNVOTE:
Yeah, my vote definitely doesn't belong on Tierce.
VOTE: Wyrd
Something seems out of place.
(Yeah this is a crapvote, it's late and I'm typing this in bed so gimme a break.)
Umm I know you unvote him and say "idk where my vote should be," but then why exactly did you put a vote on Wyrd?
Tierce wrote:Hint: Name starts with Toasty, ends with Toast, he of the very comfortable scumspicions on the original three wagons and no apparent work on trying to unravel scum-town/town-town/scum-scum connections between his scumspect trio or getting reads on anyone else.
this sort of "let's convince people!" shit is awful.
Tierce wrote:Hmm. Rereading Toast, I've realized I'm misrepping him somewhat--he did try to get something more out of his trio.
But you still keep the vote on me. Then why say this? Only reason I can see is to distance yourself from the wagon if I flip town.
Tierce wrote:Maybe realize that I don't have to 'try' because this behavior comes naturally because I'm town? I mean, seriously, if you want to call me "too townie" just after you called me obvscum, by all means. (Hint: look at most of my finished town games, I do obvtown like crazy. And yes, I call myself obvtown as town, because the level of clarity in my alignment tends to be pretty ridiculous.)
huh? unwarranted cocky "I'm awesome" attitude in a game where people don't think you are obvtown? confuzzling.
In post 532, Glork wrote:Also, with "players looking for players" as a mechanic, there's a very good chance that the scums have one (or more) watcher/tracker abilities. If they use said abilities on you, you're outing even MORE townroles to the scums.
You know I heart you, but seriously, get your shit together.
This
Hmm. Used to MoI giving way more reasons than gut (and yes, I know its a hydra). That being said, which head is talking here? MoI's spyreX questions are good but I think Spy responded in a town way
Tierce wrote:I was successful as scum in Paranoia. Yes, I was copying my town meta and subverting my scum meta in that game--there were several instances of "why would scum Tierce ever do this" that were there on purpose. That's what I've learned to do as scum because it wins me scum games, and heck, it was fun to do.
And what to stop you from using your meta to get through this game?
Tierce wrote:if I die early, town has players far more capable than me to keep things going--I'm not THAT arrogant. Tiercetown doesn't die that early in Larges
wow. Let's play "compliment the playerlist," eh?
Implosion wrote:Toasty: connection hunting is bad. In a 29-player game, the probability that you're going to successfully pick out two scum from a relational tell on day one is practically zero. I always cite Vi's guide when i'm making this point but yeah it should be obvious why and I don't feel like going into why right now.
Yeah, it can be bad, but I was using it at a starting point, not a sole read that I'd never change. Either way, I did see a connection, and given that I think scum are more likely to fool around with one another/petty banter it out in early game, I found it important to mention.
Imposion wrote:So you think uberninja calling tammy town was bs - do you think this is a scumtell regardless of tammy's alignment, or only if tammy is scum?
My UN vote is not completely dependent on Tammy because its scummy regardless of Tammy's allignment to vote them and then say you think they are town. Even if UN had unvoted Tammy when he changed his mind, it'd still be scummy. It would still be a sudden switch in perception without explanation.
Also, I think I already said this in response to OS, but I voted UN over Tammy because I wanted to further see how she played. In the end, I pretty much had 0 reasons not to vote for UN and a few reasons not to vote Tammy and Tierce.
Zdenek wrote:I'm pretty sure that I won't be the first to say this, but sometimes scum fuck up because they don't care where their vote is or because they forget the lie they are currently telling. Frankly, I have no idea why you would be leaning town here. To me it seems as though at best you could say that it's null.
Pretty sure Z here is town, and he's right about this.
@Zdeneck: why is hunting for third parties early scummy?
In post 551, UberNinja wrote:No, excuse me, what is this.
More Toasty votes. More Toasty flips.
In the name of Khorne I beseech thee.
I'm starting to see why Tierce doesn't like you. But you guys do have one thing in common: you both post crap like this!
I think Alchemist-Glork is a town on town fight.
Well. That was long, apologies.
I'll give this to you, Tierce. I don't see the "omg I'm always obvtown" thing but you sure do write a ton.