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In post 445, Alchemist wrote:Good. I never liked baby Jesus anyway.
Note Glork's play towards me the past few pages. He thinks I'm a bothersome bit of dandruff he can sweep off his shoulder. Well guess what. I ain't no dandruff. I'm a bloodsucking mite carrying lethal diseases that will never let go. :3 IMO the Toasty thing is just a nice distraction from his evasive/scummy play. He latched on to it desperately. Even throwing his weight around a little with "Everyone sheep me before it's too late!" But thats just my opinion. Dup, search your feelings. Stop making excuses for Glork's play. There is a reason for it. And ANYWAY. Thanks for reminding me. I'm starting to post too much, aren't I? Sorry. My best scumreads are Ludi, Glork, and Spyre.
I got some extremely strong townreads but I wont list them atm. If you read through my ISO you can probably figure out who they are. Okay. Now that thats out of the way, I've said what I've wanted to say - I wont post for a day or so. There. Not gonna spam the thread. Ohhmmm. Ohmmm. Ohmmm.
For the record, throwing a bunch of rhetoric around might work in games with overall weak playerlists, but you're probably wasting your words here. I've committed two definitive towntells (neither of which were even pointed out by me, but I would agree that they are towntells), and the reason I eased up on you should be obvious -- because someone answered my meta concern (that blowing a lot of steam with little actual substance) is typical for you as town.
If you really want to go thorugh the motions, I don't mind bantering with you for a while and feeding you a giant helping of humble pie in postgame, but if you want to build an actual case against me, with evidence ofwhymy play so far isscummy, you'd best get around to doing it.
Sidenote -- This sentence:
makes me wonder if you've ever actually read me before, despite your claim of respect for me.Even throwing his weight around a little with "Everyone sheep me before it's too late!"
If you want to understand Glork throwing his weight around, please read the paragraph of this post that starts with "Furthremore, ..."
Throwing my weight around is what Ido. It is the very definition of glorkian play. True in 2008. True in 2012.-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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TSH wrote:@Ludi, no, I don't think it's more scummy to say what I wanted to say when I said it, but hold off on the rest (i.e. townreads, other stuff) until I've talked it through. Scumreads and the like are more time sensitive. If I'd waited until Pere got on, then the stuff that I wanted to say would have been old news, and thus I wouldn't have been able to get what I wanted out of it.
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I think you've misconstrued my point here. I take issue with that fact you a.) didn't post anything, and b.) pointed out you weren't posting anything, as if to excuse yourself. Given that you have since tried to post something #355, without peregrine checking in, your statement of waiting looks even more baloney to me. I never asked you to wait until your other head got in.
At what point after 257 did you begin to think you would have to proceed to posting without consulting your other head (which you explicitly stated you would do)? It is only 18 hours between that and your 355.
Alchemist wrote:you've spammed the thread in your own way.
did I hurt your feelings? are you going to play the wounded soldier now?
If by spam you mean try and figure out who is scum, ask question and comment on what I think is important, then yes I have been doing that.
Uberninja wrote:I don't like the Alchemist votes. They're disingenuous and lazy.
I beg to differ. Why are you calling them disingenuous and lazy? Do you take issue with any other votes so far in the game?
Duplicity wrote:- I think Ludi is scum and from what I gathered Shift agrees, Ludis posts have been very fluff/fillerish with a lot of his questions and focus not really looking as if he's scumhunting but rather just attempting to appear as if he's contributing. His push on Timeater is also terrible and comes across as an OMGUS on a weaker player that's suspecting him.
I've never played with Timeater, I have no idea if he is a weaker player or not, I'm just calling things here as I see them. I think you're off base a little here. I might have asked a few questions only in my first couple of posts, but I've used most of my post since to detail who I think is suspicious, and why.-
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Gamma's 447 is also a pretty good find. I don't think singersinger really knows what she is saying here. She puts down a vote on Tammy, and then a few hours (~15) later seemingly forgets where it is, calls tammy super town, and decides to call SpyreX, who was also on the Tammy wagon, scum, and Magua, scum, (who knows why) but doesn't shift her vote to either of them.-
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Nuwen wrote:ML's initial reaction to just FoS Alcheater is pretty scummy and unnecessary. Its pretty forced for so relatively early in a large game to use FoS, but it makes sense as a scum who needs to set-up multiple lynches down the line and is quite happy with is current vote on a juicy mislynch-Tammy (you're wrong SpyreX and Glork and you should feel bad.)
I usually find "why am I town" posts scummy, but,
Why point out Ludi's FoS and not my own?
I could see Dupliscum.
Duplicity wrote:Glork, this is what Timeater is like as town. Read 1 or 2 of your games and you'll notice so.
Didn't you JUST say that Tim is read as town as either alignment when playing by his old meta?
Toasty's probtown. I think that, as scum, he'd attack two of the strongest wagons and then throw in an oddball (singer, Haze or me, for example) to make it look like he actually has opinions that stand out from everyone else's, while still being lazy and exclusively attacking the two strong wagons he mentioned.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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TIERCE IS NOT SCUM, PLEASE PUT YOUR VOTE SOMEWHERE USEFUL.
Also interested to see a response from singer re: gamma's 447.-
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In post 447, Gammagooey wrote:okay no.
Unvote, Vote:singersigner
These two posts do NOT make sense together.
In post 364, singersigner wrote:Aaayeup:
In post 298, singersigner wrote:Also, there are at least four people I wouldn't hesitate bandwagoning/hammering today and/or tomorrow if given the opportunity. Regardless of what I actually think their alignment is. Cheers.
^in regards to why she's still voting Tammy (and she still is btw)
In post 435, singersigner wrote:Yeah ok I didn't really feel like mafia-ing today so not really sure why I promised I'd add commentary hours ago. Oh well.
SpyreX is scummy because he's been the most noticeable pusher of Tammy who's obviously town and I think he's either stupid for it or trying to push for a seemingly easy mislynch. ... I don't think he's stupid.
Uuuh...no guarantees that I'll get around to it tomorrow but chances are higher since I'll want to do it before I won't be able to at all on Tuesday. Cross your fingers.
saying spyrex is scummy for pushing for an easy mislynch while you are voting that same person because you don't care if they're scum or town?
absolutely no.
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I think you should reread my posts...and then reread what exactly you think doesn't make sense...because it makes perfect sense with any logical deduction of what I meant in the first one, and what I'm telling you in the second one. As soon as Tammy isn't the leading wagon, I'd be willing to switch my voteif you know what I mean.-
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In post 456, Glork wrote:Also interested to see a response from singer re: gamma's 447.
NINJA'D. ;_;
YOU GUYS ARE MAKING ME PAY ATTENTION WHEN I DON'T WANT TO. D:-
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Gammagooey Glad Hatter
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but you aren't even putting in any effort to get someone else lynched
i had to ask you who was scum since you didn't mention anyone except Tammy in your early posts and you're saying that spy is pushing on it for an easy mislynch when you had to be coaxed to say who was scum while you rested your vote on someone you think is overwhelmingly town?
how does everything you just said about spyrex being scum not apply to you even moreso?-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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In post 457, singersigner wrote:I think you should reread my posts...and then reread what exactly you think doesn't make sense...because it makes perfect sense with any logical deduction of what I meant in the first one, and what I'm telling you in the second one. As soon as Tammy isn't the leading wagon, I'd be willing to switch my vote if you know what I mean.
I don't know what you mean. Are you saying you want Tammy dead but think she is obviously town?-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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Oversoul wrote:I actually prefer to do this as scum for this exact reason.
See my flip flopping but overall mainly calling Hezlucky town in Paranoia Mafia. It buys you needed time and can potentially build connections for after your death for further mislynching.
I'm not trying to discredit what you say here, but I personally don't think this is a good reason to call someone town.
Yeah, anything is possible for scum to do as well as town. But I think it would more likely come from Tammy as town than as scum. Note, Its not the sole reason I would call anyone town, but it does help contribute a little. I don't think Tammy and SpyreX are of the same scum alignment, so a potential tammy scum calling spyrex town just creates a crapload of headaches for the scum team if tammy ever flips, which tammy would probably be aware of.
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Good catch by the way on the blue number going up to two. Also, give me your thoughts on the Speed Hippos that happen to be teleporting!-
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In post 459, Gammagooey wrote:but you aren't even putting in any effort to get someone else lynched
i had to ask you who was scum since you didn't mention anyone except Tammy in your early posts and you're saying that spy is pushing on it for an easy mislynch when you had to be coaxed to say who was scum while you rested your vote on someone you think is overwhelmingly town?
how does everything you just said about spyrex being scum not apply to you even moreso?
I'm in Scotland and didn't give a shit? I read up to page 14, didn't have the energy to add my thoughts but bookmarked where I was and what I wanted to comment on (maybe you missed that), and for some reason keep refreshing the page now that I went back to check the Newbie Queue.
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I did not have to be coaxed to say who was scum. You asked. I answered.
Re: SpyreX...I don't know that he isn't above policy lynches like I am. He seems to legitimately try to be pushing someone who seems pretty clearly town (versus someone you might find, as you say, "annoying"). If he didn't act so "sure" that she was scum, but was still on her wagon, I wouldn't think twice about it. But because he is actively pushing it, I find it scummy. He was the one who stood out to me and when I have the energy, I'll actually comment on the posts I noted earlier and point out why...I think...
Preview Edit:
Struck the fairly irrelevant part due to your latest post, but the SpyreX explanation still stands.
I'd also point out that you seem to expect me to be paying attention to everything right now...which I'm clearly not. From my read and without analyzing my posts, that's what I got. Meh. I don't even know you scumreads right now but I can't be fucked to care.-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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Tammy, even if she's not scum, still isn't town.
Just throwing that out there and that makes the basis of ANYTHING revolving around ohhh SpyreX so bad Tammy so good absolute crackerjacks-
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Glork Burdened by Proficiency
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In post 463, Oversoul wrote:Ludi, look in the first half of the wall. There was some confusion about the wincondition that I want you to clarify.
Glork, why is Tierce town?
Already been over this. Do some legwork, please.-
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Alright, at this point I'm just gunna say see you on Wednesday because I'm just clearly not into this game right now. I'm too addicted to not having threads "unread" and my inbox clean. -_-
@Mod...V/LA til Wednesday
Cheers.
Preview Edit:
ffs, I can't even...NOT RESPONDING NOW SEE YOU LATER BAI.-
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In post 465, Magister Ludi wrote:@Oversoul Well, I initially thought that M win condition came from some outside third party with some specific job of eliminating roles (like some sort of serial killer)
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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what does mhm mean?
I reread that point in the game to know what I was thinking, as well. Rereading, it should be patently clear what I was thinking. At that point, several people were claiming to be people searching for other roles, (there were two or three I believe) and I reasoned that no scum would be stupid enough to claim that they were scum (by claiming to be looking for roles), and that maybe the role was somehow tied into being town as well.
It was some little time later when someone posted that it is probably the scum win condition, a little conversation ensued, and that made sense to me.-
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The confusion bit?
I don't buy it.
Ludi, did you read whatIsaid?
There should be no doubt that the first wincondition was the town wincondition and the second one was the scum wincondition because you would have had the town wincondition.
Why would Vi give the INDEPENDENT serial killer's wincondition? Its anonymity is key to it's survival.
There is no reason you should have been confused about the wincondition if you were town.-
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Confusion bit + pseudo softclaim + the fact that it's pretty widely known that Tierce is very uncomfortable playing scum.
They just do not add up to TierceScum. In any universe.-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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I do have the town win condition. What was not clear was whether the second win condition was a third party, was scum, or was also tied into the town as well. At that point in the game you quoted, people were CLAIMING to be searching for other people, and I already explained why this made me question things. Not many games have the potential scum win condition out in the open like that. I think it was perfectly reasonable as per post ~140 in a game I know no flavor to to wonder what the second win condition was about.
(It didn't have to be a single entity, either for the third party. could be something like brotherhood without banners, the hyenas for Llama's game, etc.. A gang group)-
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In post 473, Magister Ludi wrote:Not many games have the potential scum win condition out in the open like that.
Because most of them are considered the general wincondition?
Glork, I'll let that sentiment bite you in the ass later.
Tierce's crap with Quilford is almost fucking identical to the bussing she did to me in Paranoia Mafia.
Overzealous accusation against another player (maybe her buddy although I doubt it from Quil's play) and then biting her tongue and accepting the person she was vehemently pushing is town once others start chiming in about her actions and the actions of the person she is accusing.
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