In post 19, Toogeloo wrote:GhostWriter wrote:We have to "lynch" twice. We'll have plenty of time.
Actually, it only takes one vote on someone else to make that person a kombatant as well since the rules state the two players with the highest amount of votes go against each other. Technically, the player getting the most votes will more than likely get to choose their opponent if all other votes are on him, which is why I think they get to talk during the Kombat phase (it allows the person with the most votes to build a case against his opponent).
Third post of the game and Toogeloo already has an interaction with a confirmed scum member. It isn't a suspect interaction or anything, it is a friendly post explaining the voting and lynching mechanic of this game. I feel that scum would have asked this question in the QT before asking it in the thread making me think that this interaction is legitimate and that Toogeloo was trying to be friendly.
In post 88, Toogeloo wrote:springlullaby wrote:Ahem. I fucked that up, haven't read my PM through.
Lemme think about this first.
UNVOTE
ITT:
Scum didn't read the first couple pages and see a Miller claim already and thought they could get away with one themselves.
unvote;
vote: springlullaby
This game is seriously a cluster fuck. A 6 man scum team with an SK and two millers... both of which are power roles that would inevitably be lynched before LyLo... the balance is ... whatever.
Scum would know that there are two "flavors" for scum seeing as it would most likely state in their Pm whether or not they were a Blackdragon or an Earthrealm Invader. I am curious to know what Reptile and Mileena would be classified as and I would ask that one of you (Toogeloo or Bogre) look up the flavors associated with the scum already flipped. Perhaps it is a 3 and 3 case which could make or break the flavor of the last scum.
Anyway, Toogeloo could have insider knowledge that there would be two millers, if there were any millers, because he knows that the scum have two flavors. He could be trying for an easy mislynch, knowing this information. While I feel that the post is townie, I can see the scum intentions.
Also, if Bogre was in fact a Ninja, why wouldn't they make him perform all of the kills? The setup suggests that he could be either 1 shot like the Strongman, or completely passive like the Godfather and once again... leads to an inconclusive result.
In post 175, Toogeloo wrote:Unvote
Vote: Palisades
That should lock Palisades into the fight. I would prefer Springlullaby be the second fighter personally because I found her more scummy from the whole Miller shenanigans, but I'm wondering if there is some further strategy involved in making sure we get rid of the person we want to get rid of when a fight starts. If the majority of people want Palisades gone, then what's the point of sticking a Miller in the Pit with them? Why not put someone no one wants to get rid of in the Ring and make it a slam dunk "Flawless Victory"?
Up to this point, Toogeloo had not mentioned Palisades, but he readily puts him into the ring. Furthermore, his tone and diction from this post suggest that he really doesn't even have an opinion on Palisades seeing as he makes no reasoning for voting him. He also tries to encourage a "town" motive by putting a player the majority thinks are town in with a player that the majority thinks are scum as a way to ensure that scummy player's death. While this looks town motivated, it is a clear indication that Toogeloo does not want discussion to occur between the Kombatants. Also, it shows through a veiled statement that Toogeloo may possibily think there are roles that mess with the Mortal Kombat fighting period when he states "there may be further strategy to get rid of someone" but that point is much weaker than the discussion stifling aspect of his posts.
In post 223, Toogeloo wrote:Toogeloo wrote: Why not put someone no one wants to get rid of in the Ring and make it a slam dunk "Flawless Victory"?
Five words.
What if Palisade claims cop?
Palisade is already going into the ring, we should get a claim from them before we even get to a second participant, because same argument could be made that "What if one claims cop and the other claims Doc?" If Palisade claims any kind of power though, are we just going to believe it and quickly get a Miller in there and lynch the Miller instead?
springlullaby wrote:@Bunnylover: I'd like more flavor on you please. Specifically I'm going to leave out one major element of my role, please fill.
c. My being a miller is considered a XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. (Please fill in the xxxx)
Here you are looking for a specific phrase.
Yet, here...
springlullaby wrote:
Bunnylover wrote:
@Kise: I'm not sure what that means.
I think it means that my miller is an ability so basically its like this
xxxxxxx(miller passive) - description.
If so, then yes its like that in my pm.
The passive is called Former Evil Slave.
This check out with my PM. My miller status is indeed indicated as a passive ability. Although my role is called Reformed Black Dragon Leader.
The fact that our roles seem to be checking out with each other make me think that we are both town and that mod just decided to have fun.
This make me wonder about the following:
Bunnylover wrote:
Pali, The Fonz, Spring, MOS = leaning scum.
Why do you think I'm leaning scum considering the above?
Also, my role clearly state that scum are called the Black Dragons. Is it the same in your role PM?
You are fine with it not being exact at all.
Based simply on my own role, I think EVERYONE has a passive and an alignment. So being a "Former Evil Slave" or "Reformed Black Dragon Leader" are not the same thing. I could look at my PM and just tack on an adjective to my affiliation and change it however I want too.
Vote:
Springlullaby
[/quote]
Here Toogeloo further advocates a lynch on Springlullaby once nervousness about lynching Palisades is brought up. It looks like he is preparing two cases while still silently pushing for a Springlullaby and honestly looks very scum motivated. He expresses suspicion of Springlullaby more so than the fact that he suspects Palisades and yet he is still pushing for Palisades to get lynched and should he claim a power role just stick in one of the mislynches and be done with it.
In post 228, Toogeloo wrote:CooLDoG wrote:Toogeloo wrote:
Based simply on my own role, I think EVERYONE has a passive and an alignment. So being a "Former Evil Slave" or "Reformed Black Dragon Leader" are not the same thing. I could look at my PM and just tack on an adjective to my affiliation and change it however I want too.
Vote:
Springlullaby
May I inquire as to how you know this? Not asking for a claim.
I have a passive that states my affiliation, which I know the entire town cannot also share (because there are not enough members of this affiliation), and that it describes I am aligned with town.
He acknowledges the fact that there may be different town affiliations, and given the fact that we have two millers it would make sense for them to have different affiliations. Why doesn't he believe Spring's claim then?
This is all very confusing and quite frankly my mind cannot handle it. It also doesn't help that I am very sleepy at the moment. *sigh*
In post 230, Toogeloo wrote:See, I think Spring didn't read the thread and just thought she could get a Miller claim out there. Since then she has been trying to figure out how to make it passable. She first retracted it, almost as if she was going to take back the Miller thing like she hadn't read her PM thoroughly. Then she tried to fish the Miller condition out of BL, which ended up failing. I think she was hoping for BL to state what makes Millers scan the way they do, and instead BL came out with "Former Evil Slave," which made Spring have to come up with a way to make them look like they could still be Millers, and she just came up with the "Reformed" thing.
He is still pushing for Spring to get lynched, but the tone of this post is just towny in my opinion. It looks like legitimate scumhunting and this just doesn't seem scummy. The more I think about this game and enter flavor speculation and out guessing the mod the more I become frustrated. If Bogre is telling the truth than Toogeloo *has* to be scum, but Bogre has just been scummy all fucking game and I viewed Toogeloo as towny all fucking game.
I have trouble believing that he thinks Former is true, acknowledges the presence of the passive ability for all town members, but doesn't believe the reformed thing.
As scum he would know that two flavors exist and this would give him the information to go and push for this lynch seeing as he knew he could use it since town do not yet know the difference.
In post 411, Toogeloo wrote:I had a suspicion at what you were hinting at yesterday CD. You made it a little obvious you had scanning power in posts
#226 and
#231, I'd be wary of that in future games.
Vote: WLC
One of the posts that I think makes Toogeloo look townie... if he originally suspected this, why would they not kill CoolDog? ABR claimed that he saw Shao Kahn, the strongman visit Fate that night (and because of Fate's janitor flip, the Janitor as well) meaning they felt more threatened from Fate's play than they did from CoolDog possibly being a cop. From looking at the kill flavors and the night kills they did have the head devourer pretty much kill everyone except for Night 3, 5, and 7 which makes me believe that if the Ninja is an attribute like the Strongman, it would be limited to those even nights.
In post 444, Toogeloo wrote:Vote: Amrun
Don't care who it is though. Will switch my vote to make it faster if necessary since we've already killed any potential discussion today with the speed of CooLDoG's claim.
Here he claims dismay at not being able to discuss anything because of the speed of CoolDog's claim which is a pretty townie move. Also, he moves on from thinking there may be MK round messing roles by stating he doesn't care who is in the ring with WLC just as long as someone is in the ring.
In post 534, Toogeloo wrote:kiwieagle wrote:What is this....
I dont even....
He SAID he got a guilty in you. Why are you saying he got an innocent on you?
Why would he think your scum if he got a innocent on you?
He isnt so stupid.
If he got a guilty on Amrun, he would have voted Amrun first thing of the day. He voted Palisades.
In fact, he said he thought Amrun was WLC's partner, which would make Amrun a Black Dragon, not an Earthrealm Invader.
I believe Reck was stating he thought Muffin was probably Scum, and of the opposite faction of Amrun. Metaing a tad, and I'm not sure if this should even be taken into account, but Reck gave 4 Bah's when he died, and Muffin is the 4th name on the list... I could be reaching a bit, but not sure if that is coincidence, or even if he was (or should) be talking in code, so I probably will drop it at that. But kiwi is wrong about Reck stating he had a guilty on Amrun, that much I am sure.
This post is bad. The town still doesn't know the fact that only one mafia faction exists in the game, and Toogeloo emulates that thought. however, his case against Muffin is incredibly weak and as he said quite a reach. While I think that this is legitimate that thing about Muffin sits absolutely terrible with me.
In post 590, Toogeloo wrote:Mastermind of Sin wrote:Toogeloo wrote:I think Reck was stating that Muffin was the one trying to paint him as scummy, not Amrun.
PEdit: Reck DID vote Palisades out the gate Day 2, after voting for him Day 1 as well. Wouldn't he have scanned Pali Night 1, just to be sure?
We're not lynching Amrun because of Reck AT ALL. I've been trying to put Amrun up for death since Day 1, until Kise wrecked it, and then Day 2 we had a slam dunk so we couldn't kill Amrun yet. We've got another slam dunk today, but we might as well keep putting Amrun in the ring every day until we get a chance to actually finish the job.
Why are you trying to kill Amrun? He's not a Black Dragon, and the case on him yesterday was that he was trying to protect WLC, who was a Black Dragon.
Toogeloo at this point I remember, knows a lot about the MK universe and the flavor of the game. He would know whether or not there was any significance of the fact that Amrun isn't a Black Dragon or not. This also leads me to my points about the nightkills.
Amrun's death and Mastermind's death were the only non power role deaths in the game. At the time of Amrun's death, she was half confirmed to not be scum. I haven't looked into the day preceeding or the feelings surrounding Mastermind's death, but if Amrun is any indication of the behavior towards nightkills it is that the Mafia were trying to kill off confirmed town in which case Bogre should *definitely* have died considering he was the most confirmed town out of everyone going into Night 9.
In post 693, Toogeloo wrote:Scum having an ability to kill the other opponent ignoring votes seems a little OP in any kind of LyLo/MyLo scenario.
He only responds to my point about there being a possibility of a round ending role in the game. This shows that he has moved on in his mind from thinking about that setup speculation. Also, CoolDog's claim that there are two mafia factions is most likely the reasoning he doesn't believe Amrun is scum and is still voicing suspicion of Palisade's based on Reckoner's flip. town points for Toogeloo.
In post 730, Toogeloo wrote:Darox wrote:Vote: Toogeloo
Nice slip.
Man, we don't even need another power role guilty claim to continue our streak, time to go 3 for 3.
If you think the html thing is some kind of slip, you would be wrong. I had spent the majority of my day at this site:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/
Including Mafia:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefa ... s/60048878
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/575926-mafia
GameFAQs uses those stupid < and > html things, and you have to type them in since they don't have the nifty little [
B
] button like we have here. Since I have been spending the day getting ready for vacation and playing mafia at the same time, I got a little exhausted and forgot which site uses which tags.
I will just claim now though if this is going to get out of hand, because I am leaving in a few hours and won't have any time to defend myself further than this
.
I just came out of a game where a scum member did this exact same slip. However, that game explicitly had Daytalk. If this scum team had fucking day talk I might just slit DH's throat as that is incredibly fucking over powered. This is also the slip that I wanted to use to draw a nightkill on one of us, but it failed before any of it came to fruition. I believe Toogeloo despite this slip as he puts everything out in the open and states that he is going to be be away.
In post 1000, Toogeloo wrote:ABR was killed by a Shuriken Shower AND a Heart Rip. That sounds like Reiko and Kano by my research, and I think that is one from each side (Earthrealm Invader and Black Dragon). Burned to death sounds like Scorpion, so I imagine that is Vig since I don't think Scorp falls in either category. Head Devoured is either Mileena or Reptile; I think Reptile makes more sense, since isn't Mileena allied with Kitana (thus making her a town member)?
I missed most of the Day yesterday, but I did read through Oversoul's "gambit."
Why in the hell would you try to claim Masons with a claimed Vanilla, Oversoul? Even if you managed to get that worked out perfectly, you can't honestly expect anyone to have bought it, right? With me leaving for Yellowstone for a week just after my claim, I'm pretty sure I would have claimed Mason and may or may not have named my partner, just to ensure I wouldn't have had to worry about it while I was gone, not Vanilla.
I actually forgot about this post. >_> Well not really, I remember him making this post, but not what its contents were lmao. I feel like I just waisted 20 minutes of my time looking up that flavor shit too. :\ At least we have come to the same conclusion. Anyway, his reaction to my gambit is actual bewilderment and he doesn't say whether I am scum or not for that post. The tone of this post looks legitimate and it looks like he is actively trying to contribute to the game unlike some other people...
In post 1017, Toogeloo wrote: In post 1002, Oversoul wrote:No... Mileena is definitely the person doing the head devouring. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Mileena was a lyncher to Kitana. In all of your research, I don't understand how you missed that painfully obvious fact.
I only researched Fatalities and was just going off what I remembered from MK II, MKIII, and the original MK movie (Kitana was good there). I thought they were like Sisters or something, but clones makes sense.
In post 1002, Oversoul wrote:Why wouldn't I try to divert the nightkills onto Vanilla Townies? That way we wouldn't have lost anymore power roles, which are rapidly declining.
In every game I've played with Masons, Masons aren't killed until closer to Do or Die. While they are confirmed town, they are also mostly harmless. Scum would more than likely take shots at other people they think are Power instead. In this game we still had claimed power alive in CooLDoG, so I imagine he still presented a more lucrative target over "Masons" simple because he was at least half confirming people to be not scum, and Kano is still out there for sure with the Heart Rip. I still maintain no one would have believed you with my Vanilla claim previously though.
In post 982, zMuffinMan wrote:I actually agree with this. Prior to today, I was working off the assumption that there are two different scum factions (you know, 2 specific millers 2 specific cops, etc), but this game makes a lot more sense if we assume there's only one scum faction in this game (a combination of black dragon invaders).
I'm still kind of operating off the assumption there are two teams. CooLDoG may have hit one Black Dragon already, but he was also half confirming several people as well. With a lack of claimed power out at the moment, the Invaders may have felt he was too dangerous to their own alignment as well as players were getting narrowed down.
Going over T-Bone's ISO, I think either he never used his power, or he used it on BL/Ludi early.
He has a ton of Snake hate in his ISO, especially with:
In post 535, T-Bone wrote:Vote: SnakeComing in, and not reading the thread, only to contribute to the two vote hammer on Amrun yesterday that the majority of us specifically asked NOT to happen, killing all discussion we had going on.I wanna put Snake and the second person in the pit today. (That'd be Cooldog, and Muffinman with the late hammer, but sigh one is confirmed town)Definitely Snake because Snake needs to die, regardless of who else we throw in the pit.
In post 621, T-Bone wrote:Kill Snake with death please. (after we kill the outted scum of course)
In post 623, T-Bone wrote:Well anyway, kill Snake with death for randomly coming in and ending all discussion yesterday.
..But Snake never posted more than a single line that could be asked if it would be truth or lie. So I think that is just T-Bone acting on his gut.
However over the course of his ISO, he states he thinks Ludi is town, and he brings up question about spring's Miller status and it's strength (but the way he asks it, sounds like he possibly lie detected Bunny because of the comparison question).
Wow. This game has been ongoing for so long I had forgotten
I
already did this research. This post looks bad for me in my opinion, but you guys can analyze me lmao. Mostly answering questions and set up speculation, but he does still state the he thinks there are two Mafia teams despite the fact that that theory of thought was quickly dwindling. Combine his theory with what happened a day earlier and I doubt scum Toogeloo would have been that careless to say something scummy like that.
In post 1023, Toogeloo wrote:
There is a lot of relevance to the post for my own scum hunting. For one, I am trying to determine Oversoul's reactions to my questions to truly determine whether or not he is scum. At the moment, I am going with my original gut (and reason I didn't vote him to death yesterday) that he is town who made a stupid mistake. Vibe I am getting is that he wouldn't [as scum] try to claim a Masonry with a claimed Vanilla. I just don't see how people would believe it, and honestly, him screwing up the delivery is probably the most promising reason to believe it.
Determining whether or not two teams exist will help us as well. It will be less likely scum will bus scum if there is one team if they can avoid it, especially after 2 scan lynches to their team. But if there is two teams, they may be more inclined to fight each other to continue to look better. Muffin makes a good point though that the only kill that could indicate a second team is the ABR kill, as the other two deaths may be more likely to be Even Night Vigings.
By my opinion, my ISO of T Bone would also suggest that attempting to scum hunt based on his flip is likely not going to tell us anything, since the only person he had a hard on for lynching didn't give enough posts for T Bone's ability to work.
Right now, my thoughts are leaning to kiwi for some odd posts, including posting that spring is more likely to be scum since bunny was Miller, and claiming that T-Bone was aggressive towards Snake.
My other two choices would be Booger and Darox (inb4omgus), both for the same reason. Neither is really doing anything but going with the flow of the game and egging other players on as if they were watching from the peanut gallery. They've had a little content now and again, but for the most part, they have just laid a few votes, had a few fluff posts, and let everyone else do heavy lifting.
Town-wise, I've felt the Timeater slot and you have been pretty town. Amrun and spring get some town credit as well due to scans and flips, though I do hate that spring has had all of one post since Day 1.
I'm in no interest to throw a vote down at the moment, since for all intents and purposes, I lost an entire day of discussion that I am still analyzing, and the other days were freebies from scans and modkilling. I do think kiwi will end up with my vote at this current pace though. I think the Oversoul voters are looking a bit opportunistic at his fail of yesterday, so I am trying to get a better read on those slots as well.
This post could either make or break Toogeloo considering that he lists one scum and a possible town as scum and one scum and a town as town. He states that he thinks I am town and continues with that thought throughout most of the game until today, which he questions my alignment considering Bogre's claim and the fact that we are in LyLo. I really don't want Toogeloo to be mafia. That would suck so much.
He says that the people hopping onto my wagon are opportunistic, when he did the same exact thing to Springlullaby and her "failed" miller claim. I don't see what the difference is here? He does make a good point that he could have killed me and gone for the legitimately scummy player, but instead he chose not to kill me and end the day. He is right with calling out both Darox and Bogre for not really contributing. It makes sense that the scum would likely leave a Ninja and a Godfather as the last two scum candidates (not that they had a choice, but two scum members visting one player is a little risky on night 1 especially since they would know there are watching/tracking roles.). Toogeloo stating that he want's a better read on those slots also looks town as it has motivation to look for scum.
1033 is a case against Mastermind which the scum think is an SK after they realize there are many kills that they did not submit. This is also supported by the fact that Mastermind dies the night. This is a point against Toogeloo because scum would rather not waste a nightkill on an SK or a vigilante because that still leaves them open to being the lynch. However, since Ludi was pushing against IS as the SK, I highly doubt that they thought Mastermind was also an SK unless they thought there was still a ONSk and ENSK... which kinda makes sense given the two flavors and such... yet again another inconclusive point. :\
1114 is also another interesting post given the interactions with Bogre and Darox. He asks for a prod on Bogre and continually calls out Darox for coast posting, yet he never directly puts a vote to action on either of those two players. He states his opinions on IS and on my wagon (implying Nero is town for his push against me) and saying that Kiwi is scum. The conflicting messages that I get from Toogeloo's post are super freaking annoying.
In post 1228, Toogeloo wrote:Sorry I haven't posted since my V/LA ended. I have a kidney stone, it came on suddenly, and I have been on percocet and had little energy to do anything yet alone worry about a mafia game.
We have just a little over 4 days to come to a consensus on who we want in the ring, otherwise the top two with the most votes are going in.
In post 1183, Darox wrote:Eh.
I went back and checked, and Ludi started the IS kick, not muffin. I don't really see scum looking at the state of affairs at that time and deciding what they really needed to do is bus a teammate.
Your list does not mention Ludi. What does this statement make you think of Ludi's alignment?
In post 1203, zMuffinMan wrote:btw, when Nero flips scum, and people begin to realise that there actually is only one scum team, CSL and Oversoul are 100% town.
Disagree. I do think Oversoul is town regardless, but if Nero does flip scum, I don't think that clears CSL at all. Scum can attack other scum, especially if one or both of them look bad. If CSL gets lynched and flips scum, it would make Nero look better, and vice versa, but it doesn't clear either of them from not being scum.
@Amrun:
You and I have both been cleared to be NOT Black Dragon, but we have not been cleared as being NOT Invaders (Reck's scanning). One team or two, people can't just dismiss as confirmed since that possibility would still exist in their minds. This is why people are arguing you aren't confirmed town.
May you guys never suffer from a kidney stone... my god, worst pain I have ever gone through.
This post is a good point. Since he is cleared to not be a black dragon, if three earth realm invaders have flipped, then we can say that Toogeloo is probablynot scum. Also, he starts his push on Ludi and IS in this post as well as Nero, but he gives himself a backdoor stating that even if Nero flips scum, CSL has the chance to flip scum as well.
In post 1276, Toogeloo wrote:Unvote;
Vote: CSL
...just to ensure Oversoul isn't going into the ring, and CSL makes a good back-up to MoS since he isn't getting attention today it seems. I am fine with CSL v. Nero in a fight to the death. Had a town read on Nero earlier, and a scum read on CSL, but I have town reads on *most* of the people on Nero, so their judgment is worth noting as well. Their arguments in the ring will be my deciding factor though.
I'm a little concerned of the exodus off of IS, and forsee a constant problem with IS v. Ludi tomorrow, especially given today was dominated by that discussion. But I very much would like to discuss the anti-town/floaters and get them sorted out as well.
Passed my stone last night btw, thanks to everyone for their wishes.
He doesn't even acknowledge Nero as scum mainly sheeping the people on Nero's wagon to be town and thus their opinion is noted. He only votes CSL so that I don't get into the ring, which is interesting because I have just landed myself in LyLo... Although he does say that he thinks CSL is scum and has a scum read on CSL for that day. Here he also arouses suspicion of the nonentities of the game like Bogre and Darox and tries to get everyone to notice them. This could be soft prodding or legitimate suspicion of them, but yet again it is hard to tell.
Another post that I do not see scum saying. Why would he risk his slot if he was scum just to get names? I don't see any scum motivation for this post at all as he could have jsut remained silent due to the restriction put in place by the lynching mechanic. Town points for this post.
In post 1377, Toogeloo wrote:muffin, I think you have Nero wrong, and I like part of Nero's idea that Ludi wasn't the only scum on Stranger, however, with the Mafia death last night, I don't think that absolves anyone of innocence. IS is more than likely not a Black Dragon at the very least, but he could be Serial Killer (or second mafia if that idea is still being toyed with).
One thing in particular that started to bug me on reread was Amrun's continued insistence that she is Town based on a non-Black Dragon scan. It seems she is pushing a bit too hard on my reread, and that she is either Invader or SK trying to constantly show innocence.
I'd also very much prefer we don't let these idle town lie around. Not a big fan of the players who are not lifting a finger to do anything and riding other people's wagons.
As far as speculation of the teams and Night Kills...
Fate was killed Night 1 (as per ABR's watch). The only person he stated killed Fate was Ghost. Ghost was Strongman though, so I suppose Bunny might have protected Fate (or another target) and only Ghost's kill got through, assuming two kills went out that night and one was protected against.
I still believe that Reiko and Scorpion are the killers (less sure about Scorpion). Lore wise, both seem to have their own personal agendas. It might be that there are two Serial Killers in the game, one even night and one odd night. Aligned SKs could make sense, but not from what I can see flavor-wise.
As for today, I very much want less dawdling from Darox, Bogre, and Kiwi. Oversoul needs to step up as well.
For now...
Vote: Amrun
...on gut.
He votes Amrun for gut on the suspicion that she is flaunting her half confirmed status too much. Interesting that he isn't going after Bogre for basically the same exact reason.
He also pushes that people are wrong to think that Nero is scum and continues to give no real opinion on him despite the glaring amount of town dislike for Nero's slot. Major scum points for this post and its horrible implications.
In post 1487, Toogeloo wrote:My problem is that I don't believe that an Odd Night SK is the only independent action. It cuts the balls off of the SK making him only be able to take a shot every other night. I would be upset as hell if I was alone and in my faction and could only kill every 2 lynches and multiple other night kills going off.
There has to be something else about the SK, either he has a partner, or he has another ability that function on Even Nights. I can't believe a gimp ass every other night SK exists by itself.
If Fonz is the EN SK and not Vig, are we giving him a free night to do another kill for their team? How do we test him, and as Stranger says, what do we do if Fonz makes it to end game?
Really starts hunting for the SK which now that I think about it, could be the reasoning for both the Amrun and the Mastermind of Sin kill, but I don't see why they wouldn't go after IS since Ludi clearly knew that IS was the SK. I seriously just don't understand unless Toogeloo wanted to go and create a competing wagon and train of thought so that he looks town, but that is too much WIFOM and I usually don't give any credence to WIFOM. I'm so scatterbrained this game.
This is the first time he votes Darox and then he immediately after goes on to say that we should be putting Bogre into the ring with him (which I really wish we did at the time). He doesn't give any indication on Darox's alignment and doesn't give any reasoning for the vote on Darox other than best option. This is a post that is particuarly strong against him in favor of a scum motivation.
In post 1671, Toogeloo wrote:Bogre laying on some ATE in his latest posts.
"I know I am going to get lynched because I am lurkish, but that is ok because my lynch will help town."
If Fonz isn't going to shoot him, we need to put him in today.
Pushes Bogre for some good reasoning, but he is using a wiki tell which is something I really do not like and people who usually use those tells are scum in my opinon.
In post 1787, Toogeloo wrote:If it's a two man scum team AND a two man SK team, are we fucked either way?
Also, how does everyone feel about a Mass Claim at this point?
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I haven't got a clue who the Shuriken guy is to be honest, and I think claims might help a little on the meta front. Willing to put IS in, but I think we need to put our second guess in as well, or at least hear who IS thinks is the Shuriken guy, and maybe put the two of them in together.
He advocates a mass claim which I usually consider to a be townie move if it wasn't for the fact that there is a janitored kill. Nothing particularly special about the Internet Stranger comment either, but it is showing scumhunting. :\
In post 1788, Toogeloo wrote:I have a hunch on something based on something I just read.
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If we are going for SK today, still need a second option, just in case what I am interpreting is incorrect.
Did you ever tell us what your hunch was? I guess it doesn't matter that he flipped as SK and all, but for closure I guess it matters. Without the confirmation from the Track result, what is your opinion of Bogre? I find him to be scummy as fuck, but I've already explained that position. Also, I am little dissatisfied with your case as it is pretty bland on only really goes off the fact that Bogre is confirmed and that I am not?
